Have a Laugh on me: Part II- The best of the worst debate ever

[LuvinBullies]

How do you guys feel about those game bred roosters? Not just any old rooster, the ones who can be given just as much respect as even the gamest dog ever with the most heart. The ones man has relied on, fought battles with, and shared a bond with through history
Sense my sarcasm?
I have a friend who fancies himself quite the smarty. He's seen a lot and done a lot, but he basically just enjoys debating with me because he knows I'll step up for hours if he disaggrees with me. We argue all the time. Last night took the cake, though.
I talk dogs a lot with him, and he knows a good bit about Shepherds and Dobies, but he doesn't quite grasp the love or the respect we all share for the APBT. He always tries to outdo the APBT with a story of some crazy neato thing one of his dogs did. We argued about a certain impure breeding in APBTs I won't get into, and I got so mad I had to stop the discussion. So he asked for a working definition of gameness to change the subject somewhat, which I explained also citing examples of certain dogs, stories, more history, etc.and he said... "Oh yeah, we had chickens like that."
{{{{{GONG}}}}}
My head was still ringing as he went on to explain how his gamebred fighting rooster could "cur out" (Note his use of cur. I told him what that was a few weeks ago) any dog -even the best APBT.
I admit: I'm no fighting rooster expert, and he does own some pretty gnarly roosters that have protected his hens from raptors.
But I look at life in a certain way that prevents me from entertaining the idea of a chicken whoopin a dog. I shouldn't have said another word, but I had to say this: give me a tennis racket and I can fix any of your crazy roosters. Shake a tennis racket at a dog who wants your bottom and see what happens. There is just no way anyone can convince me otherwise: a chicken is a chicken, no matter how vicious it is- it is not truly game like a APBT. Vicious and pissy maybe, but game?
Oh the punchline...my friend just got out of the army- he was in intelligence. He's a really smart guy. So either he didn't listen to my definition of game, or he's just not willing to accept I'm not scared of his chickens.
Please, defend my honor by laughing heartily. Don't photoshop any chicken/APBT kung fu either, I won't fall for it:).

[14rock]

I know plenty of people who love their birds. I myself, dont find the fascination in them. Dogs are game, chickens are just too stupid to quit. They are beautiful animals, and I enjoy looking at them, and watching them strut around like they own the place, but thats about as far as I go with them.

[LuvinBullies]

I know plenty of people who love their birds. I myself, dont find the fascination in them. Dogs are game, chickens are just too stupid to quit. They are beautiful animals, and I enjoy looking at them, and watching them strut around like they own the place, but thats about as far as I go with them.Oh yeah- there is nothing wrong with loving the bird, hell I'm not one to bash someone's hobby. I have 4 parrots and think they are mighty fine. Raised a few chickens as well. I just find outlandish humor in the debate. I was seriously engaged in a debate with a guy who truly felt his chickens were these cold, calculated toughguys. He was genuinely miffed at my laughter/tennis racket comment and said these birds would turn back ANY dog. Hell yeah they might make a stand, but so would rabid squirrel. :)

[FLpits]

http://media1.guzer.com/pictures/big_rooster.jpg don't mess with my cock

[14rock]

LOL I have seen roosters cur the gamest dogs out. And yes, there are some BAD, BAD chickens. I wouldnt necessarily say they are game, or "calculated", but they are full of piss and vinegar arent arent scared of NOTHING.

ROFL I hate chickens with a passion-soemthing about them. Chickens and hampsters-evil creatures. LOL

[LuvinBullies]

LOL I have seen roosters cur the gamest dogs out. And yes, there are some BAD, BAD chickens. I wouldnt necessarily say they are game, or "calculated", but they are full of piss and vinegar arent arent scared of NOTHING.
I am sure some (many) dogs would actually cur at some of these roosters...I know they are a whole new level of WTF?! to any gamedog. A gamedog could also cur at a bumblebee, too...but it was this fella's insinuation that chickens were worthy of the same level of human reverence and are just as mentally sound as the APBT that made me crack up. Do I respect a fighting rooster? To an extent, I like my eyeballs just where they are, thank you. I respect anything that can go hay willy nilly like those things. The gameness of the APBT is probably the very trait that makes him fall back if things are just too damn bizarre. A gamedog that has his mind made up to get the damn thing though, is another story.

A Dog just as nutty as the damn chicken might also make an entertaining spectacle. I'm thinking a performance circus chihuahua gone mad.:p

[miakoda]

What's wrong with gamecocks? The good/great ones are amazing to watch. As 14rock said, "full of piss & vinegar"

[purplepig]

Well, many places I have seen cock yards. birds tied up on 5' leads, hundreds of them. Had a buddy of mine that was into them, and he told me he could train a bird just like I can a dog!! As to the does the rooster have the propensity to be game, if the bird goes till he's dead,without turning, I would have to call that dead game. I am no birdman, but I wont take away from them.
This is kinda funny, but it really isnt, my aunt, God rest her soul, at an early age lost her eye from a rooster spurring her.
I was also in jail once with a man who was deathly scared of chickens, but for a different reason. He said he would not stay in that jail if a live chicken was in there. I would ask him all kinds of questions. He wouldnt even eat chicken. Said that as a little boy his grandma was chopping a chickens head off for supper, and the bird ran around the yard w/out it's head(as they do), but it started running towards him with it's wings spread and he thought the thing was a demon or something. got me wondering if rock was in that jail with me, according to the "evil chicken" remark!LOL
Many dogmen also had game birds. Yes, that's what they are called, game birds. Lovin' Bullies, maybe you ought to take the trip to South LA and check em out!!
But, if that bird currs the game dog, I got a chiauahua that'l cur the bird!! It was once said that a guini(however you spell it) will poke that game bird's eyes out. One fella had a bunch of rattlesnakes on his place, he had dogs and birds, and someone told him if he'd get some guinees they would take the rattlesnakes out. He said well, them dogs just gona have to learn to deal with the snakes, cause I aint havin them guinees takin out the eyes of my game birds. Apparantly, he did value his birds above his dogs. Can you guess who this man was?

[HBK]

Can you guess who this man was?
....................carver

[purplepig]

....................carver
Ding Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!

[LuvinBullies]

What's wrong with gamecocks? The good/great ones are amazing to watch. As 14rock said, "full of piss & vinegar"Nothing's wrong with them at all...anything with no fear is awesome to watch in action.
I just found it funny how a friend of mine placed them on the same pedistal (and even above) as the APBT, on all levels. Piss and vinegar is dandy, but to lay a chicken's "gameness" on the same table as that of the APBT tickles me in the side, that's all. He said the chicken WILL cur the dog, which means the chicken has more game. Noooo- it doesn't says I. He refused to understand, and the more involved this debate got, the more it felt like a twilight zone episode. That's why I thought it was so funny because it's just not the same at all, ever, no way no how.

Okay, here we go. Let's say we set up a tournament between 14 Rock and Attila.
Upon engagement, instead of approaching with normal human capabilities, Attila suddenly lifts into the air, hovers over Rock and starts stratching the top of his head like a hellcat from another dimension.
I don't think we should call poor Rock a cur when he turns dead white and dips out of there, do you? More like a smart man in need of a fresh pair of shorts. Nor would I describe Attila's fighting style more game. I don't know what i'd call it:), but I don't think game quite fits.

That is how bizarre I felt the comparison was....I'm not hatin' on the crazy chickens...;)

[Esse818]

ITs this simple cocks have balls, they take on anything anytime.come one what mamal can attack you with no head.

[WWII]

Well, many places I have seen cock yards. birds tied up on 5' leads, hundreds of them. Had a buddy of mine that was into them, and he told me he could train a bird just like I can a dog!!
I was searching around for some gamecock info the other day and ran into a keep for them. This guy was talking about giving his bird some homemade food, and doing sprints with him. And he also talked about weighing him everyday and that he would find out what fighting style the bird had by "rolling" him into other birds. I thought it was crazy. I never researched these birds before but it sounds interesting. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

[LuvinBullies]

ITs this simple cocks have balls, they take on anything anytime.come one what mamal can attack you with no head.So you are admitting brains CAN be operated with only the balls? I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[14rock]

I was searching around for some gamecock info the other day and ran into a keep for them. This guy was talking about giving his bird some homemade food, and doing sprints with him. And he also talked about weighing him everyday and that he would find out what fighting style the bird had by "rolling" him into other birds. I thought it was crazy. I never researched these birds before but it sounds interesting. Can anyone point me in the right direction?There are a few states where the sport is still legal, but your best bet is indian reservations. They have recently found chickens are not considered livestock, and you can do as you wish with them on reservation land. PETA is throwing a fit, but the gov't cant mess with the indians. :D

[Bullyboi]

I was searching around for some gamecock info the other day and ran into a keep for them. This guy was talking about giving his bird some homemade food, and doing sprints with him. And he also talked about weighing him everyday and that he would find out what fighting style the bird had by "rolling" him into other birds. I thought it was crazy. I never researched these birds before but it sounds interesting. Can anyone point me in the right direction?Check your pm's ...;)

[gator]

Game cocks have a history that go`s back as far as dogs and most of the old school dogmen had chicken yards also Bert Sorrells` , Floyd Boudreux just to name a few. As a matter of fact Floyd loved his birds more than the dogs try telling him his birds arent game! Chicken fighting is legal in Louisana and Okalohoma and alot of money exchanges hands in these derby`s. They have keeps for their birds just like you would for a dog and I have seen eggs alone sell for $300.00-$500.00 or a trio which would be a young male and 2 hens for upwards of $1,800.00. Anyway my point is the Rooster people take their sport and their chickens very seriously and I for one see nothing wrong with it and if researched you will find alot of interesting game history in the people and animals and some of the people involved will surprise you .

[Esse818]

different ppl different sport.



So you are admitting brains CAN be operated with only the balls? I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

yeah i got evedence 2

[LuvinBullies]

different ppl different sport.



So you are admitting brains CAN be operated with only the balls? I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

yeah i got evedence 2LOL...I will declare myself removed from this debate now...

I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy...:)

[SAM_I_AM]

Game cocks have a history that go`s back as far as dogs and most of the old school dogmen had chicken yards also Bert Sorrells` , Floyd Boudreux just to name a few. As a matter of fact Floyd loved his birds more than the dogs try telling him his birds arent game! Chicken fighting is legal in Louisana and Okalohoma and alot of money exchanges hands in these derby`s. They have keeps for their birds just like you would for a dog and I have seen eggs alone sell for $300.00-$500.00 or a trio which would be a young male and 2 hens for upwards of $1,800.00. Anyway my point is the Rooster people take their sport and their chickens very seriously and I for one see nothing wrong with it and if researched you will find alot of interesting game history in the people and animals and some of the people involved will surprise you .yes this is all true. family has been fighting roosters for 20 years now, and yes it is legal in Louisiana. As for as a rooster currring out an APBT that is redicouloius (sp) My dads pit has eaten more than his fair share of gamebirds, so in noway can a bird beat a dog. As to a rooster being "GAME" well lets see you blind from battle, and have a broken wing and still scratch, do you call that game?

[440rider]

There is just no way anyone can convince me otherwise: a chicken is a chicken, no matter how vicious it is- it is not truly game like a APBT.
that's like saying a dog is a dog...whos' to say what's not truely game or not.... I'd say the black fell terrier is a pretty game dog as well( in a different respect as the APBT but those little dogs are game as hell with what they do.)
IMO gamefowl meet all the criteria to hold the name true. There are quite a few old timers that started out with birds way before they got into dogs.
I was searching around for some gamecock info the other day and ran into a keep for them. This guy was talking about giving his bird some homemade food, and doing sprints with him. And he also talked about weighing him everyday and that he would find out what fighting style the bird had by "rolling" him into other birds. I thought it was crazy. I never researched these birds before but it sounds interesting. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Surely that's what people think when they view comments on this board.
They aren't called gamecocks for nothing!
but to lay a chicken's "gameness" on the same table as that of the APBT tickles me in the side, that's all. He said the chicken WILL cur the dog, which means the chicken has more game.
very interesting to read threads on this board because there are some that throw terms around and misconstrew what terms means into many variations....sometimes ya'll seem to associate these dogs with viciousness and psycho minded out of control prey drive in making statements....these dogs arent machines! You can't tell how game a dog is by how it reacts to a chicken or anything else in that matter besides one of it's own in the right situation..PERIOD!

[realonebulldog]

How do you guys feel about those game bred roosters? Not just any old rooster, the ones who can be given just as much respect as even the gamest dog ever with the most heart. The ones man has relied on, fought battles with, and shared a bond with through history
Sense my sarcasm?
I have a friend who fancies himself quite the smarty. He's seen a lot and done a lot, but he basically just enjoys debating with me because he knows I'll step up for hours if he disaggrees with me. We argue all the time. Last night took the cake, though.
I talk dogs a lot with him, and he knows a good bit about Shepherds and Dobies, but he doesn't quite grasp the love or the respect we all share for the APBT. He always tries to outdo the APBT with a story of some crazy neato thing one of his dogs did. We argued about a certain impure breeding in APBTs I won't get into, and I got so mad I had to stop the discussion. So he asked for a working definition of gameness to change the subject somewhat, which I explained also citing examples of certain dogs, stories, more history, etc.and he said... "Oh yeah, we had chickens like that."
{{{{{GONG}}}}}
My head was still ringing as he went on to explain how his gamebred fighting rooster could "cur out" (Note his use of cur. I told him what that was a few weeks ago) any dog -even the best APBT.
I admit: I'm no fighting rooster expert, and he does own some pretty gnarly roosters that have protected his hens from raptors.
But I look at life in a certain way that prevents me from entertaining the idea of a chicken whoopin a dog. I shouldn't have said another word, but I had to say this: give me a tennis racket and I can fix any of your crazy roosters. Shake a tennis racket at a dog who wants your bottom and see what happens. There is just no way anyone can convince me otherwise: a chicken is a chicken, no matter how vicious it is- it is not truly game like a APBT. Vicious and pissy maybe, but game?
Oh the punchline...my friend just got out of the army- he was in intelligence. He's a really smart guy. So either he didn't listen to my definition of game, or he's just not willing to accept I'm not scared of his chickens.
Please, defend my honor by laughing heartily. Don't photoshop any chicken/APBT kung fu either, I won't fall for it:). Oh, Oh, you know not much about real game flowl. First you have to know if you talk about the real thing ,the one and only REAL GAME FLOWL then you have only to talk about 2 old races 1.Asil 2.Malaien(check it out on the net) The Asil-chicken is the real deal I would call it the BULLDOG of the chickenworld.The history of this bred is about 7000-8000 years old and all the time they were bred for fighting purposes. they are able to fight for hours and even two strange ,,females,, would kill each other in a fight. For example an old english game flowl couldnt even dream to go the 5 min distance with a real Asil.The Malaien are like the big brother of the Asil....the are big....v e r y big. Some of them are over 1 meter tall...bones and muscles...You know if we talk about gameness.....I think this kind of chicken are game...very game...and sometimes dead game.Remember how long they been bred for this...thousands of years till today! The Point is chicken are not predators like dogs ...... one interesting thing is that they use springpoles for theyr rooster they put some bullmeat in a tree 2 meter high from the bottom and then they watch the big birds jump....good for the leg muscels and the bitepower...

[14rock]

As for as a rooster currring out an APBT that is redicouloius (sp) My dads pit has eaten more than his fair share of gamebirds, so in noway can a bird beat a dog. You havent seen enough birds and dogs then. It happens, and its not uncommon. Dogs were not bred to fight chickens, not all of them have the drive to kill a chicken. Some are downright scared of chickens, tuck tail, and run....

Of course, the majority of bulldogs eat chickens if they get the chance, but saying its ridiculous just because your dads "pit" eats birds, that there are none that dont, is imo, "ridiculous".

And the same thing goes for gamecocks, will all gamecocks kill a pigeon? Nope, thats not what they were bred to fight, and many of them dont bother, or straight up run away from that odd creature. Its the same thing. Perhaps we misused the words "chicken curring out a dog", but the fact is, some dogs are scared of chickens and run. It could be a deadgame bulldog, but if its face-to-face with this two-legged alien with claws and a strange fighting style, it may run off. Its not fair to judge diffrent breeds/animals gameness against eachother.

[LuvinBullies]

Oh, Oh, you know not much about real game flowl. Right you are. Right you are. And neither did the fella I was having the debate with. Dumb and Dumber talking smack. THIS is why it was so funny. Thank you for your enlightenment, it truely is interesting.

[Attila]

I just got rid of the rest of my game hens and roosters. They have injured many of my dogs and never back down or run from any fight. I like them fried like any other bird. But they are quite game by definition. Of course the dog may and will probably live or at least live long enough to kill the Chicken. However weither or not the dog survives the loss of eyes and puncture wounds to the head is another story all together. the game cock is known to have 3" or longer spurs and there whole existance and hundreds of years of breeding is solely for fighting. They lay large eggs and are good eating. Their rististance to predators made them ideal for my farm. However once one got dumb enough to try and flog me it was the end of them. They are in my freezer now and/or feed to my dogs. I raise Dominique's and BardRock now. The heck with them crazy things. They don't lay as well and are easy prey for other animals but it is a trade off. Really you can't guage them against a dog but against another rooster. A game rooster to any other rooster is by far more adapt to fight and will fight to the death, they will not quit and even the winner may and often does die. There is big money in it. Although I just raised them for meat and eggs. That and to eat bugs and kill snakes. Now I have geunies for that. They are a loud and annoying bird so I may go back to the game ones latter after I am not so hatefull against them.