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Suki
08-20-2006, 10:19 PM
So, how would we all feel if this were the case? I'm not sure about you, but I believe it should be a personal choice, not, a decision made/imposed upon you.
Apparently, opinions vary, as expected, especially when the subject regards, the infamous "pit bull". (I hate that word).:(
I guess it must be that "locking jaw/ mechanism" theory???:confused:
Read on:
BTW (This article gives no indication of a state). Ripon law: Sterilize pit bulls

RIPON — Vice Mayor Dan Prince knows exactly how damaging
irresponsible pet ownership can be.

Two incidences, regarding "pit bulls" recently happened in his city

That's why he contacted City Attorney Tom Terpstra and Police Chief
Richard Bull about writing an ordinance that will force owners to
have their pit bulls spayed or neutered unless they can prove that
it's used for legitimate breeding purposes or it's an AKC registered
show dog — something that drew a fair amount of media attention
prior to Tuesday's City Council meeting.

"It's something that can be legitimately traumatizing to a pet
owner — not to mention the fact that it could have just as easily
happened to a person," Prince said. "In my neighborhood we have a
neighbor who has his grandson out in the front of his house all the
time.

"What would have happened if those dogs came when the child was
there?"

Because of the passing of SB 861 in August of 2005 by the California
State Senate local jurisdictions are now allowed to write and adopt
ordinances specifically geared towards particular breeds of dogs.

An excerpt of the bill reads as follows: "uncontrolled and
irresponsible breeding of animals contributes to overpopulation,
inhumane treatment of animals, mass euthanization at local
shelters...this irresponsible breeding also contributes to the
production of defective animals that present a public safety risk."

And while is currently law, it hasn't been met with great fanfare.

National pet owner groups like the American Kennel Club (AKC) and
the Pet Council are actively pushing for a repeal to the bill that
they think will devastate the very breeders and pet enthusiasts as
well as the very people it was written to protect.

When word began to spread about the ordinance being up for City
Council review late last week, Prince said a Modesto radio station
began calling for people to come protest the move at the meeting —
something that never came to fruition since nobody in attendance
used the public speaking time at all.

Given the history and ability of these dogs to commit these acts of
violence, Prince says, owners should understand that they are only
doing what they believe is in the best interest of the public.

"We don't want to specifically pick on Pit Bulls, but they do
possess the ability to kill a human being," Prince said. "With the
locking jaw mechanism there isn't anything you can do to combat them
when they want to attack."

According to Police Chief Richard Bull, his officers have had a
pretty clean track record when responding to calls where homeowners
keep pit bulls as pets — but that isn't always the case.

Aggressive dogs, he says, can be very dangerous for officers.

"Fortunately we haven't had a whole lot of instances where we've had
to deal with this but we have responded to cases where pit bulls
have scaled fences and attacked people's pets," Bull said. "The only
think that we're trying to do with this ordinance is make sure that
things like this don't happen.

"It's important for pet owners to be responsible and we feel that by
spaying and neutering these animals it will help with the
temperament and help prevent the unthinkable.

To contact Jason Campbell, e-mail jcampbell@mantecabu<WBR>lletin.com (http://us.f389.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=jcampbell%40mantecabulletin.com)




purplepig
08-20-2006, 10:38 PM
Well Suki, I just hope and pray that I never have to be faced with this. Of course it is stupid! I know allot of folks go for the spay/neuter of their dogs, but like you said, that should be a personal choice!! Our whole country is getting outta whack and I shudder to think of where it is going. We all want freedom until it goes against what we believe in, then we want to impose our will upon others. Just like the seatbelt law. I for one do not understand how this passed, when statistics showed a 50/50 result. yes in a tree accident it'll keep you from going through the window, but going over a bridge or flipping the vehicle it would be better to be released. And how can they say we have to have a seatbelt when I can ride my bike? Our whole political system has become a useful tool for minorities to be in charge, and I for one am sick of it!

I got an idea. Let's operate by the constitution for a change. Let's take that part that says(paraphrased),"when this government quits fullfilling its purpose, which is for the people, and begins to use its power for its own selfish ends, then the people have the RESPONSIBILITY to overthrow such government and start a new." Well, I guess we all know what would happen then dont we. then Big Brother would either shoot/burn/imprison us for following the constitution.

I am so grateful that I am just a stranger here on this rock we call Earth. I am just passing through, I got a home in another place. I am what would be called a sorjourner(check spelling) here. I do find pleasure in my bulldogs and hate what some stupid idiots are trying(and succeeding) to do to the greatest "Mans Best Friend" that has ever walked the planet!!

OK, I'm off the soapbox!!LOL

J

catcher T
08-20-2006, 10:44 PM
then spay and neuter every breed in the whole damn country,,why impose this on only one breed.

Verderben
08-20-2006, 11:08 PM
If they do it for pit bulls they should do it for labs. labs are about the only breed I ever see in our shelters here. If it is really about "overpopulation" then they need to include, labs, GSD, beagles, rotties, all those stupid poodle mixed mutts, or even better leave the damn purebreds alone and make it illegal to PURPOSEFULLY breed mutts. That right there would make a HUGE dent in the "overpopulation"

Attila
08-20-2006, 11:49 PM
I think they should do it for some people. And as far as kill ability I don't know of one dog that can be omitted from that list. Hell I can't be omitted from that list.

purplepig
08-21-2006, 12:05 AM
I think they should do it for some people. And as far as kill ability I don't know of one dog that can be omitted from that list. Hell I can't be omitted from that list.
Well, that's it Attila, you are in violation of BSL, go get yourself neutered!HA HA

J

Attila
08-21-2006, 12:21 AM
Well, that's it Attila, you are in violation of BSL, go get yourself neutered!HA HA

J
Yes, well I would but I have an adversion to blades on my sack.:eek: I will just have to be a violation. Lol A rebel that is for sure.

mydawgs
08-21-2006, 07:36 AM
AM -

After trying to have an intelligent exchange with proponents of this "quick fix..make me feel warm and fuzzy...dumb a**" approach to solving the dangerous dog OWNER problem, I have decided if we just all agree to have a lobotomy I am sure we could understand their reasoning :confused:

GA,CAM
08-21-2006, 08:00 PM
i had to get boy fix or the county was going to arrest me. i got mine from the animal shelter in hall county ga.

erin960
08-21-2006, 08:16 PM
BTW (This article gives no indication of a state). Ripon law: Sterilize pit bulls
I searched on it a little and I think it is California.

bahamutt99
08-22-2006, 12:08 AM
I was cool until I read "locking jaw mechanism." I can't believe people are so stupid.

Honestly, I would support an all-breeed speuter on pet dogs, if a way could be come up with to reliably differentiate between those and show/work/hunting dogs. I also think it should be illegal to advertise puppies in the newspaper or via flyers. That would kill off the majority of BYB business.

purplepig
08-22-2006, 12:41 AM
I was cool until I read "locking jaw mechanism." I can't believe people are so stupid.

Honestly, I would support an all-breeed speuter on pet dogs, if a way could be come up with to reliably differentiate between those and show/work/hunting dogs. I also think it should be illegal to advertise puppies in the newspaper or via flyers. That would kill off the majority of BYB business.
Well, honestly, when you supported that law, then they would be working on the next step. Freedom for everyone, or no freedom at all!! That thinking right there is why people think they can come and take your dogs and kill them in 24 hours. Because in they're minds, it is solving a problem. We have to begin to see the big picture. Yea, I know BYB are downbreeding the dogs. And folks who sell them to anyone who has the money is part of the problem. But striping people of their constitutional rights is not the answer. If I want to be stupid, let me be stupid, up to the point that I infring upon your rights. What is happening here is that people are punishing a stereo type instead of the deeds. Hey, if you let your dog come and kill my goat in my yard, then you should be punished because you were not responsible. If your dog kills(God forbid) my child, you should at the very least be held for manslaughter, if not murder.
See, this started way back. When they quit having public hangings on the town square. Before, the public would view the man/woman hanging there with their necks stretched, and if the thought came(for instance) for them to go and steal a horse, the picture of the last horse thief would pop in their minds, and they would decide not to. And if they didnt decide not to, they would be caught(most of the time) and taken care of, no repeat offender, no me paying to keep this thief alive, end of story. And if they would do this with a horse thief, what would they do to a murderer, a child molester, a rapist, or a lowlife, cur who came and killed someone's dog. You got it, swift punishment. How much money would that save you and I in tax dollars alone?

OK.Ok, I am sorry, I am officially off my soapbox!!LOL

Attila
08-22-2006, 12:48 AM
AM -

After trying to have an intelligent exchange with proponents of this "quick fix..make me feel warm and fuzzy...dumb a**" approach to solving the dangerous dog OWNER problem, I have decided if we just all agree to have a lobotomy I am sure we could understand their reasoning :confused:
Hmm. How about this we give them a frontal lobotamy and we sit back and laugh at them trying to figure out who they are and where they are at. I will crack a cold beer to that one. lol. I don't think a brainectomy would make us understand them. lol

Attila
08-22-2006, 12:53 AM
Well, honestly, when you supported that law, then they would be working on the next step. Freedom for everyone, or no freedom at all!! That thinking right there is why people think they can come and take your dogs and kill them in 24 hours. Because in they're minds, it is solving a problem. We have to begin to see the big picture. Yea, I know BYB are downbreeding the dogs. And folks who sell them to anyone who has the money is part of the problem. But striping people of their constitutional rights is not the answer. If I want to be stupid, let me be stupid, up to the point that I infring upon your rights. What is happening here is that people are punishing a stereo type instead of the deeds. Hey, if you let your dog come and kill my goat in my yard, then you should be punished because you were not responsible. If your dog kills(God forbid) my child, you should at the very least be held for manslaughter, if not murder.
See, this started way back. When they quit having public hangings on the town square. Before, the public would view the man/woman hanging there with their necks stretched, and if the thought came(for instance) for them to go and steal a horse, the picture of the last horse thief would pop in their minds, and they would decide not to. And if they didnt decide not to, they would be caught(most of the time) and taken care of, no repeat offender, no me paying to keep this thief alive, end of story. And if they would do this with a horse thief, what would they do to a murderer, a child molester, a rapist, or a lowlife, cur who came and killed someone's dog. You got it, swift punishment. How much money would that save you and I in tax dollars alone?

OK.Ok, I am sorry, I am officially off my soapbox!!LOL
I was 13 the last time I saw a hanging. Man raped his own daughter and the judge (the mans father) hung him from the oak tree infront of city hall. I wish it was still in practice. Now liberals think the stupid bastards should have rights. Hmm I think when you commit a crime that is hainoius you don't have any rights any more. I vote for the rope to grace the gallows again. What a glorious day that would be.