Lowell Man Charged With Cutting Pit Bull's Ears

[Marty]

Boston,USA --A Lowell man has been charged with felony animal cruelty for allegedly cutting off the ears of a baby pit bull.

20-year-old Luis Negron was arrested Sunday afternoon at a home on Concord Street. According to the Lowell Sun, officers found the dog ears on an empty beer case that was apparently used as an operating table.

The crying puppy was found hidden in a baby stroller. Officers say Negron used scissors to remove the ears. They also found bloody surgical gloves, coffee grounds, glue and pens in the yard.

The injured animal and another unharmed puppy were taken to the Merrimack Animal Shelter. Police say the ears are sometimes removed to make the dogs appear more menacing.

Negron could face up five years in a state prison and a $250 fine for cropping the dog�s ear.

He pleaded not guilty to felony animal cruelty charges and was released on personal recognizance. He is due back in court on October 5th.

http://cbs4boston.com/topstories/local_story_226134621.html

[Marinepits]

Excuse me while I go vomit.

[SMOKIN HEMI]

not saying that it right but in the hood they dio that all the time. they even have it to a science. with all the medical equipment an all. So this does not suprise me....

[misterdogman]

WTF... I like natural ears anyway. And it aint that damn expensive to take it to a vet...

[bakerbt]

If you can not afford to take the dog to the vet. You should not own a dog in the first place.

[sedaliapitbulls]

Well the whey I see it as long as the dog is put under anistesia and treated properly go for it, not to mention if the person knows what he is doing.

If you can not afford to take the dog to the vet. You should not own a dog in the first place.

[MercedesMama]

That's terrible! Crazy bastards!

[SMOKIN HEMI]

I don't see how someone could sit on this site and talk about how bad there dog is and call someones dog a mutt or a curr. WHY? What is the undertone of just about every thread that is written on here? Gameness! All the threads in here are not talkin about a 50pd bulldog pullin 5000pds. What i'm gettin at is what is more greusome a dog getting is ears cut off, Or a dog gettin slung around in a pit for 2hrs. At least the dog getting his ears cut off will get some anestia. Not say either one is right but some of you all are talkin out the side of your necks...

[ChevyTech]

Well it seems most vets won't even crop ears. This is what happens. I still haven't found a vet in my area that will crop ears so I just gave up on it. I am now a fan of natural ears myself.

[misterdogman]

I don't see how someone could sit on this site and talk about how bad there dog is and call someones dog a mutt or a curr. WHY? What is the undertone of just about every thread that is written on here? Gameness! All the threads in here are not talkin about a 50pd bulldog pullin 5000pds. What i'm gettin at is what is more greusome a dog getting is ears cut off, Or a dog gettin slung around in a pit for 2hrs. At least the dog getting his ears cut off will get some anestia. Not say either one is right but some of you all are talkin out the side of your necks...There was no mention of that dog getting anastasia from Negron...the culprit.. in the article..so why do you assume it did...and even if he had Lidocaine or something he is not a licensed vet or trained ear cropper and there is many wrong ways to crop a dogs ears....it has to be right to stay up and not allow debris to fall in and not hit a bad bleeder vein/artery...so if this guy is using scissors and a empty beer box ER bed...to just hack some dogs ears off I see a problem with that....I seen many a dog run to another to fight willingly but never in my 28 years have I seen one scratch to a pair of scissors ear first...when I see that happen I wont mind it but until a dog does it willingly having its ears cropped I think its wrong to DIY...and dangerous,.....

[MercedesMama]

There was no mention of that dog getting anastasia from Negron...the culprit.. in the article..so why do you assume it did...and even if he had Lidocaine or something he is not a licensed vet or trained ear cropper and there is many wrong ways to crop a dogs ears....it has to be right to stay up and not allow debris to fall in and not hit a bad bleeder vein/artery...so if this guy is using scissors and a empty beer box ER bed...to just hack some dogs ears off I see a problem with that....I seen many a dog run to another to fight willingly but never in my 28 years have I seen one scratch to a pair of scissors ear first...when I see that happen I wont mind it but until a dog does it willingly having its ears cropped I think its wrong to DIY...and dangerous,.....
Thank you! I dont care if you are properly trained to do it or not. Doing ear croppings on a beer box, with scissors is freakin insane! They should do the same to him and see how he likes it! Fighting is the history of our breed Black Cesar whether you like it or not, no matter how awful it may be. It is the nature of our breed. I can agree 100% that they will fight willingly, they dont need to be held down and forced into it. You gotta knock em out or drug them to cut their ears off. There is no comparison here.

[bakerbt]

Yes, we do talk about gameness on this site. What does that have to do with being a scum bag and cutting your dogs ears with scissors. Their is a difference in a dog doing something willingly and being forced to have something done that is painful and unnecessary. Research the breed and you will find out that our dogs love to fight and prove their gameness. Even in a fight the dog always has the right to quit. That is why their where rules and a ref. It was the dogs choice to get in the []. It is not the dogs choice to have his ears cut off with damn scissors.I don't see how someone could sit on this site and talk about how bad there dog is and call someones dog a mutt or a curr. WHY? What is the undertone of just about every thread that is written on here? Gameness! All the threads in here are not talkin about a 50pd bulldog pullin 5000pds. What i'm gettin at is what is more greusome a dog getting is ears cut off, Or a dog gettin slung around in a pit for 2hrs. At least the dog getting his ears cut off will get some anestia. Not say either one is right but some of you all are talkin out the side of your necks...

[misterdogman]

And I doubt they had antibiotics or anything like anastasia at all....I almost can see it now...someone holding someone cutting...they prolly didnt even tape then up or nothing....I would bet 100$ on it...

[sedaliapitbulls]

All I was saying if it is done properly and the dogs were given anistesia I have no problem with it. I know a few people that does their own ear cropings and they have been doing it for 20 years in their garage, but they use anastesia and know what they are doing. In fact I have seen some of the best ear crops done out of their garage.

The article sounded terrable, but It dosn,t give detail about what happened.
and yes it sais nothing about anastesia and probally wouldn,t even if he did.

I Completely agree with you on the other hand You really need to know what you are doing . how to do it treat it and care for it. Most importantely where to cut and how to cut it. And Yes it should be done by a vet.

I personally would never do cut jobs myself and i like the natural look but it is personal prefrence.

I do know this is a touchy subject and I do not mean to offend anyone I am sorry.


There was no mention of that dog getting anastasia from Negron...the culprit.. in the article..so why do you assume it did...and even if he had Lidocaine or something he is not a licensed vet or trained ear cropper and there is many wrong ways to crop a dogs ears....it has to be right to stay up and not allow debris to fall in and not hit a bad bleeder vein/artery...so if this guy is using scissors and a empty beer box ER bed...to just hack some dogs ears off I see a problem with that....I seen many a dog run to another to fight willingly but never in my 28 years have I seen one scratch to a pair of scissors ear first...when I see that happen I wont mind it but until a dog does it willingly having its ears cropped I think its wrong to DIY...and dangerous,.....

[laurajean]

There is NO reason to mutilate a dog's ears..other than owner preference. I like the natural look too. Why cut parts off a dog? It's expensive and even if a vet does it there is no guarantee that there won't be problems...
The dogs do feel pain from it...I don't think it improves their appearance one bit.
as long as it is legal and peopel can have a vet do it, though, I will just say I prefer the natural look, but some people tape their puppies' mouths shut and cut their ears off with scissors. That is abuse...

[sedaliapitbulls]

Now that I do not agree with at all. It is crule. I am not even defending the guy dont get me rong. That is all i got to say about that.

There is NO reason to mutilate a dog's ears..other than owner preference. I like the natural look too. Why cut parts off a dog? It's expensive and even if a vet does it there is no guarantee that there won't be problems...
The dogs do feel pain from it...I don't think it improves their appearance one bit.
as long as it is legal and peopel can have a vet do it, though, I will just say I prefer the natural look, but some people tape their puppies' mouths shut and cut their ears off with scissors. That is abuse...

[purplepig]

I believe that if someone wants their dogs ears cut, so be it. What used to cost $85 at a vet a few years ago, now costs $185, so I can full well understand how someone would delve into this. I do believe that it can be doe properly @ the house w/no complications. I myself have had many dogs ears cropped, and seen the vet do it many times, watched it done. It is not a complicated proceedure. Ears are not taped to seal the wound, they are stitched. The only time they are taped is when the ears wont stand up properly, and that has nothing to do with the way the ears were cut, but the muscles of the ears themselves. I would not have used scissors myself, you can get an instrument called a laser scalpel and it carterizes the wound as it is cut. Did anyone see the job on the ears? Some people (not me, but some) will save the clipped ears of the dog. For what I dont know, maybe voodoo or something, I dont know, but they do. Just like some people who castrate a bull save the ball sack, so the clipped part of the ears might have been on the beer box to dry out. I dont know, but you know full well that the news will say anything to sell the story, so why is it so hard to believe that this could be the case here? Because you believe it is wrong to clip the ears?

You say a dog has a choice to jump in the box or not, but does the dog have a choice to get it's nuts cut? What about being spade. I promise you, you ask any man if he wants his nuts cut(maybe a few exceptions) and he'll say,"NO", yet to you it is the humane thing to do. Not for the dog's benefit, but for yours, to make your life easier, cause it is too much trouble to keep your female put up when in season.

A dog is a dog. They are livestock and should be treated as such. Have any of you ever dealt with livestock? Ears are tagged, animals tatooed, castration, and if I want my dogs ears clipped, so be it! It seems to me that some people here have bought into the humaniac way of thinking of animals inadvertantly. you read their junk in the headlines so much that you have fallen asleep and bought into some of the hype. Wake up and smell the coffee, it's time to make the donuts!!

J

[SMOKIN HEMI]

I don't know what happend in this article. But i do know the people that crop ears use medicines to take the discomfort away from the dogs. I'm sure that there is alot of media hype as it would be if someone got caught having a fighting ring. Give me a break should they have gone to the vet. YES. But anybody that has been dealing with pitbulls or any other breeds that require cropping knows that people do that. Unless you have your head stuck in the dirt somewhere.

[SMOKIN HEMI]

And I doubt they had antibiotics or anything like anastasia at all....I almost can see it now...someone holding someone cutting...they prolly didnt even tape then up or nothing....I would bet 100$ on it...

Again i don't know about this situation but the people that I knew that used to do there own dogs Used antibiotics they used tape and badages they also used anetesia and the ears look better than some vets. It is what it is..Misterdogman you should know that with a name like that...

[NcPrisonGuard]

Personally I like the natural ear look, but when I first started reading and learning about the breed..everything I saw was the dog's with the ears clipped so I thought that was standard practice. So when I got my first one I went straight to the vet and said shots..dewormer..etc.. oh and clip his ears. Vet refused to clip his ears, and I am very glad she did now because the natural look is 100 times better to me. But I couldn't imgaine holding that puppy down and going at his ears with a set of scissors DAMN!.. And sure they are animals and livestock gets tagged and blah blah blah.. But there is a right way and a wrong way of going about it. Trained or not.. you don't use scissors. Shit why not just hold the dog down and take a hack at his ears with a machete? I mean its just an animal right..just livestock.

[bahamutt99]

I don't have anything against cropping. But pony up the cash and take your dog to a good vet, even if it means driving out of your way to find one. Or leave the ears alone (and if you're a breeder, start including breeding for better ears in your program).

[Pitbull219]

I seen many a dog run to another to fight willingly but never in my 28 years have I seen one scratch to a pair of scissors ear first...LMFAO!!! Oh man....coffee on my keyboard and monitor once again. I dunno, the guy sounds like a dirt-bag to me, but it is hard to find a vet that still crops ears in some places. There was a guy a while back in a different forum that posted pics of him cropping his dog's ears. It was in a dirty garage, but the instruments looked clean, and he had the dog under anesthesia........of course the poor thing was about a year old! One of my pups has full drop ears, and I cannot find anyone who does croppings in my area. Oh well....

[purplepig]

Shit why not just hold the dog down and take a hack at his ears with a machete? I mean its just an animal right..just livestock.
Well, the machete would have probably been better than the scissors. One quick blow.

J

[pennsooner]

I don't see how someone could sit on this site and talk about how bad there dog is and call someones dog a mutt or a curr. WHY? What is the undertone of just about every thread that is written on here? Gameness! All the threads in here are not talkin about a 50pd bulldog pullin 5000pds. What i'm gettin at is what is more greusome a dog getting is ears cut off, Or a dog gettin slung around in a pit for 2hrs. At least the dog getting his ears cut off will get some anestia. Not say either one is right but some of you all are talkin out the side of your necks...






I didn't see anything to suggest that the dog was given any anestesa, or pain killers of any type. The guy just went to town with a pair of scissors.

[purplepig]

I didn't see anything to suggest that the dog was given any anestesa, or pain killers of any type. The guy just went to town with a pair of scissors.Did you see anything saying that he DIDN'T use anestesa? Either conclusion could be jumped then CJ. Correct?

J

[laurajean]

I agree about people having a "right" to clip their dogs ears...but I don't have to like the way it looks. and dogs are more than just "livestock." And even just livestock deserves better treatment than a lot of it gets. All you meat eaters should investigate the way your dinner is treated before you put it on the table..you might reconsider what you are eating.
I do eat meat, I have nothing against hunting, but "livestock" in this country is not just a few happy chickens pecking around the farmyard or a steer gamboling in a pasture. They are raised in very crowded, unsanitary conditions, stuffed with antibiotics and some get fed growth hormones. I don't feel that animals should be treated like humans, but then they shouldn't be treated like machines either, even if their ultimate fate is to be dinner.
Sorry to get off topic like this...I do not like the cropped ear look. I wouldn't support laws against it, but ...why do it? It adds nothing to the quality of the animals life. Spay/neutering does add to the quality of the dog's life. It always amuses me that men love to equate chopping a dog's balls off, with having their own chopped off.
Well, if you want to use that analogy, why not think about having your ears chopped in half? And as long as we are talking about totally unnecessary surgeries, how about circumcision?

[Miss Conduct]

to just hack some dogs ears off I see a problem with that....I seen many a dog run to another to fight willingly but never in my 28 years have I seen one scratch to a pair of scissors ear first...when I see that happen I wont mind it but until a dog does it willingly having its ears cropped I think its wrong to DIY...and dangerous,.....

AMEN to that!! A dog thats in the box is there because it wants to be, when the dog crys or doesnt want to be there, he is taken out!!

That little pup was probably screaming bloody murder. Not only is cut ears ugly IMO, but i also agree that if you cant afford to take your dog to the vet, you shouldnt own one!!

[NcPrisonGuard]

Well, if you want to use that analogy, why not think about having your ears chopped in half? And as long as we are talking about totally unnecessary surgeries, how about circumcision?
All that meat eater talk makes me laugh, you remind me of this lady the other night I had a run in with at my favorite eye-talian eatin' place. I ordered veal marsala and this lady I didn't know from boo turns around and read me the riot act about what an awful person I am for eating and supporting this horrible practice.. I really pissed her off when I said look lady its a cow.. not a pet, he ain't got much to live for. Die young and be veal or older and be hamburger still getting hit in the head with a sledgehammer and thrown on the fire. HAHA.. I thought she was going to get sick. And I am all for non circumcisied wing-wangs if thats what you want to leave your kid with.. but I like mine the way it is ..cut.

[BoiBoi]

All that meat eater talk makes me laugh, you remind me of this lady the other night I had a run in with at my favorite eye-talian eatin' place. I ordered veal marsala and this lady I didn't know from boo turns around and read me the riot act about what an awful person I am for eating and supporting this horrible practice.. I really pissed her off when I said look lady its a cow.. not a pet, he ain't got much to live for. Die young and be veal or older and be hamburger still getting hit in the head with a sledgehammer and thrown on the fire. HAHA.. I thought she was going to get sick. And I am all for non circumcisied wing-wangs if thats what you want to leave your kid with.. but I like mine the way it is ..cut.
LOL im wit u 100%, it makes me really mad when someone feels its their duty to explain to me why i shouldn't be eating or doing something that they feel is wrong. My dogs ears are cropped and his tail is docked and i wouldn't have it any other way. The thing that annoys me is that i got charged over 200 dollars for a mediocre cropping, so it doesn't surprise me that some people resort to doing it themselves. I would never consider it because im just not qualified enough to do a procedure like that but i feel if someone has enough experience then go for it. I like both natural and cropped ears but it all depends on the dog and what the owner prefers.

[purplepig]

I agree about people having a "right" to clip their dogs ears...but I don't have to like the way it looks. and dogs are more than just "livestock." And even just livestock deserves better treatment than a lot of it gets. All you meat eaters should investigate the way your dinner is treated before you put it on the table..you might reconsider what you are eating.
I do eat meat, I have nothing against hunting, but "livestock" in this country is not just a few happy chickens pecking around the farmyard or a steer gamboling in a pasture. They are raised in very crowded, unsanitary conditions, stuffed with antibiotics and some get fed growth hormones. I don't feel that animals should be treated like humans, but then they shouldn't be treated like machines either, even if their ultimate fate is to be dinner.
Sorry to get off topic like this...I do not like the cropped ear look. I wouldn't support laws against it, but ...why do it? It adds nothing to the quality of the animals life. Spay/neutering does add to the quality of the dog's life. It always amuses me that men love to equate chopping a dog's balls off, with having their own chopped off.
Well, if you want to use that analogy, why not think about having your ears chopped in half? And as long as we are talking about totally unnecessary surgeries, how about circumcision?So am I to assume that you prefer non-circumcision? So now I guess you shall begin to attack my religion(that is why we circumcise). And with the meat eater thing,if you are a vegitarian(which you said that you were not), you would not have vegetables without animals dieing and fertelizing the ground, oh, wait, what about all the chemicals that your against. Oh wait...

Hey,, I just figured it out. I have been kinda thinkin' this for a while now, there ARE a bunch of Animal Rights activists lurking here as a hypocrite(actor) pretending to be a dog lover, but would prefer for animals to be left alone. Shame on you!!

And as to the 'better life ball cuts', am I to assume that you came to this conclusion because you gave up sex and your life is better? Did you get yourself sowed up?(because that is the only way that you could experience the better life of your spayed canine)More power to you. Personally, I love sex, and would not deprive any of my livestock the opportunity to enjoy a God given ability. And before you jump in, if the livestock is not worthy to be bred, it is culled. I have not the time, nor the money to waste upon an unworthy animal. Oh, the gotcha there didnt it. Sorry, I cull hard. That goes with animals, and that goes with dealing with hypocrites also. And just so you know, just because they are livestock, does not mean that I do not love them. Each and everyone gets their time with me.

Now, if you want to spend your time and money on unworthy mutts, then by all means spay/neuter them if that's your bag. Myself, I'd rather be put down than to have that part of my life taken away. ESPECIALLY when I was younger.

But I still love ya. And I would not infringe upon your right to eat grass with you nutless dog with the un-cut ears, and would not even rag you about it, untill you get in my backyard. Once there, you either jump the wall or prepare for the pain, cause I aint gona quit.

There was a time that I would have jumped both feet into this post, but alas, I am reserved in my old age.

J
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2310/shead247x350resize3fk.jpg How you like that hack job?

[misterdogman]

So am I to assume that you prefer non-circumcision? So now I guess you shall begin to attack my religion(that is why we circumcise). And with the meat eater thing,if you are a vegitarian(which you said that you were not), you would not have vegetables without animals dieing and fertelizing the ground, oh, wait, what about all the chemicals that your against. Oh wait...

Hey,, I just figured it out. I have been kinda thinkin' this for a while now, there ARE a bunch of Animal Rights activists lurking here as a hypocrite(actor) pretending to be a dog lover, but would prefer for animals to be left alone. Shame on you!!

And as to the 'better life ball cuts', am I to assume that you came to this conclusion because you gave up sex and your life is better? Did you get yourself sowed up?(because that is the only way that you could experience the better life of your spayed canine)More power to you. Personally, I love sex, and would not deprive any of my livestock the opportunity to enjoy a God given ability. And before you jump in, if the livestock is not worthy to be bred, it is culled. I have not the time, nor the money to waste upon an unworthy animal. Oh, the gotcha there didnt it. Sorry, I cull hard. That goes with animals, and that goes with dealing with hypocrites also. And just so you know, just because they are livestock, does not mean that I do not love them. Each and everyone gets their time with me.

Now, if you want to spend your time and money on unworthy mutts, then by all means spay/neuter them if that's your bag. Myself, I'd rather be put down than to have that part of my life taken away. ESPECIALLY when I was younger.

But I still love ya. And I would not infringe upon your right to eat grass with you nutless dog with the un-cut ears, and would not even rag you about it, untill you get in my backyard. Once there, you either jump the wall or prepare for the pain, cause I aint gona quit.

There was a time that I would have jumped both feet into this post, but alas, I am reserved in my old age.

J
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2310/shead247x350resize3fk.jpg How you like that hack job?What do you mean its your religion...are you a Jew? And some states dont consider canines as Livestock...Iowa is one that does but many dont...and if your so supportive of DIY how many of your own children or friends children or families children have you delivered and circumsized...I doubt many... and trying to compare ear cropping to livestock and ear tagging and ball snipping and tattooing...those are all things done with professional experiance and proper meds etc...not on a beer box with scissors....whether or not he planned on using them for voodoo...thats just stupid come on think about that analogy...and think about how dumb it really sounds...if you cant afford to do it professionally then you shouldnt DIY because that is inhumane and cruel not to mention dangerous and in no way professional....so if your going to compare things make sure they are at least in the same ballpark....Livestock=Food....Canines=Not Food.....and also maybe you should think about why Vets dont want to crop no more....and why the price went from 85 to 185 in just years...maybe its not a real goods thing to do and infections and ear problems are too common...I think its a way to soon phase it out of popularity since there is no productive reason to do it anyway...right ...its just for "Looks" and if your doing it to a breed that is bred for gameness and not looks then whats the point in doing it anyway...for you own greedy benefit and ego...to look tough and cool...thats the only reason to make your dog look menacing...There is no other reason but that.... so you should be ashamed of yourself for living vicariosly thru your dog.....go get your own ears cropped then and quit living thru a mutt with a "bad Rep" that you wish you had...tuff guy....

[BoiBoi]

I don't think its right that everyone says oh its not right to get ur apbt's ears cropped when u can look at many other breeds that still consider it a breed standard to have the ears cropped like the great dane, cane corso, presa's, and many other types of dogs. I think its very wrong what this guy did, but I don't think people should be bashed for wanting their dogs ears cropped, because it is ur dog and nobody else's and u are the one that takes care of the dog every day so why not have it look the way u wish.

[bakerbt]

I see nothing wrong with cropping ears as long as it is done right. Getting a dog fixed does benefit the dog. It will cut out the possibility of certain diseases. You are right about a dog being livestock. And you are being a responsible breeder by culling hard. Culling by euthinizing or getting the dog fixed is a must. Cuting a dogs ears off with scissors is not. But, like you said we can never believe the media. It just makes me mad when people like blackceaser say stupid things like , "What i'm gettin at is what is more greusome a dog getting is ears cut off, or a dog gettin slung around in a pit for 2hrs. Statements like this just proves your ignorance about our breed and its history. Please just educate yourself on our breed.

[pennsooner]

Did you see anything saying that he DIDN'T use anestesa? Either conclusion could be jumped then CJ. Correct?

J


The guy just used a PAIR OF SCISSORS. Its fairly logical to assume he did everything else half assed as well. Administering anything other than ether can be pretty complex so I DOUBT he used any pain killer. No, I can't prove it, but I'd be willing to be a good bit of money he did NOT use anestesa. Both conclusions don't present themselves equaly at all.

[purplepig]

Well dogman, for one thing my dogs very seldom leave my place. For two I dont like folks knowing I have them, so as for the ego pump of the ear crop thing, you "pop", ..hit that one out in left field! The same line of thinking is why they are trying to get rid of my dogs. "Who needs a fighting dog if fighting dogs is illegal". "Who needs ears cropped if ears being cropped isnt functional."

And please show me where I said anything about doing this in an inhumane way? Am I to suppose that you take your dog to the vet for all of it's shots? I been givin' them since I was a kid. But wait, some states it is not legal for you to give your own shots(Rabies), who gives a rats behind what other states do? It is your own fault for allowing those laws to be passed.

And why are you, misterdogman, so interested in what goies on between my legs and why? What kind of a sick freak are you?

As to the DIY comment, I know nothing of birthin' no babies, nor or circumcision, so I pay someone to do this. I know how to build a house, so I dont pay nobody to build it, mayby hire laborers, but not a contractor. Why pay someone to do something that I can do better?

What proper meds are used with the ear tagging? Never seen that done. Another thing, I have had more dogs ears clipped than ....well, I wont go there, and never had an ear to get infected. And never had to use antibiotics. Never had a vet give my dogs antibiotics, cause they never got infected. If you have dogs whose ears have been infected, mayby you were not keeping the dog in sanitary conditions, and the poop all over your mutts infected the dog, not the ear cut.

Wait..wait... I see, you another one of them there actors again.LOL You got me on that one! BAWAHHHHHHHHHHH Jokes on ole purple! That was a good one!HA HA HA AH AHHA HA.

J

[purplepig]

The guy just used a PAIR OF SCISSORS. Its fairly logical to assume he did everything else half assed as well. Administering anything other than ether can be pretty complex so I DOUBT he used any pain killer. No, I can't prove it, but I'd be willing to be a good bit of money he did NOT use anestesa. Both conclusions don't present themselves equaly at all.
Ok, you got me on the scissors thing. I aint really trying to take up for this fella, just tryin' to have allittle fun.LOL. I seen everyone get jumped on around here, kinda felt left out, so I saw my oppoortunity and took it!! One of them days, ya know. At least you are using the onl head to show reason.

But I really see no harm in doing this proceedure if you know what your doing. If you dont, and are just guessing, leave it alone! How I see it.

And FYI to all reading this post. Last month I went and had 4 of my pups ears cropped, by a VET!! No tape, No antibiotics, No problems. Now, all you meat eaters take that and shove it!!
J

[misterdogman]

Well dogman, for one thing my dogs very seldom leave my place. For two I dont like folks knowing I have them, so as for the ego pump of the ear crop thing, you "pop", ..hit that one out in left field! The same line of thinking is why they are trying to get rid of my dogs. "Who needs a fighting dog if fighting dogs is illegal". "Who needs ears cropped if ears being cropped isnt functional."

And please show me where I said anything about doing this in an inhumane way? Am I to suppose that you take your dog to the vet for all of it's shots? I been givin' them since I was a kid. But wait, some states it is not legal for you to give your own shots(Rabies), who gives a rats behind what other states do? It is your own fault for allowing those laws to be passed.

And why are you, misterdogman, so interested in what goies on between my legs and why? What kind of a sick freak are you?

As to the DIY comment, I know nothing of birthin' no babies, nor or circumcision, so I pay someone to do this. I know how to build a house, so I dont pay nobody to build it, mayby hire laborers, but not a contractor. Why pay someone to do something that I can do better?

What proper meds are used with the ear tagging? Never seen that done. Another thing, I have had more dogs ears clipped than ....well, I wont go there, and never had an ear to get infected. And never had to use antibiotics. Never had a vet give my dogs antibiotics, cause they never got infected. If you have dogs whose ears have been infected, mayby you were not keeping the dog in sanitary conditions, and the poop all over your mutts infected the dog, not the ear cut.

Wait..wait... I see, you another one of them there actors again.LOL You got me on that one! BAWAHHHHHHHHHHH Jokes on ole purple! That was a good one!HA HA HA AH AHHA HA.

JAnd why are you, misterdogman, so interested in what goies on between my legs and why? What kind of a sick freak are you?
Your the one who brought up your religion and circumcision...So I figured you were a Jew...if You dont want people to ask dont bring it up...and as far as my standards of cleanliness and keeping dogs ears clean when clipped....your a moron I am here talking about NOT CLIPPING a dogs ears so why would I have one on my yard with poo all over it if I dont do that to my dogs...dumbass.... think before you write...you accuse me of having that problem when it aint something I do and you sound like a fool....and as far as meds go and antibiotics go anyone whether owning livestock or dogs or whatever would have it on hand for any given situation...and to mention you not being prepared for an infecttion shows how prepared you are...0% ...because the time you do have a problem and you aint prepared is the day you realize how unprofessional you are...so quit callin the kettle black and understand your sounding more and moire stupid every post....There is no way you can convince anyone its ok to hack a dogs ears of with scissors and no meds or antiseptic or proper prep and whatever else...and by supporting the notion it makes me feel sorry for your dogs...and trying ot compare a dog getting its ear hacked off to a dog that willingly meets an opponent is a stupid comparison....do you think boxers or UFC fighters like it when they stub a toe or get a headache...no I bet not....but they still go in th [] to face another man and take 100% more damage willingly...its called gameness look it up...

[misterdogman]

Ok, you got me on the scissors thing. I aint really trying to take up for this fella, just tryin' to have allittle fun.LOL. I seen everyone get jumped on around here, kinda felt left out, so I saw my oppoortunity and took it!! One of them days, ya know. At least you are using the onl head to show reason.

But I really see no harm in doing this proceedure if you know what your doing. If you dont, and are just guessing, leave it alone! How I see it.

And FYI to all reading this post. Last month I went and had 4 of my pups ears cropped, by a VET!! No tape, No antibiotics, No problems. Now, all you meat eaters take that and shove it!!
JI went and had 4 of my pups ears cropped, by a VET!! No tape, No antibiotics, No problems. Now, all you meat eaters take that and shove it!!

I am shocked you didnt do it yourself....or call Negron over with his beer box surgery combo doggy bed...I took you for more of an adventurist...considering you supported DIY ear cropping 6 or 7 statements ago...why baby your mutts but condone anothers as being alright with a scissor hack job...and I bet you 1000$ the Vet gave you instructions and or antibiotics to keep them ears clean didnt he...so what vets are dumb to for being prepared for infections....your retarded and it shows your ignorance by admitting you yourself go to a Vet ...how can you support someone who didnt...so eat that whatever you are... vegetarian or vegan or whatever...whats up with the meat eater crap...you dont even eat real food...you eat what FOOD eats before we slaughter and eat them...

[miakoda]

I don't see how someone could sit on this site and talk about how bad there dog is and call someones dog a mutt or a curr. WHY? What is the undertone of just about every thread that is written on here? Gameness! All the threads in here are not talkin about a 50pd bulldog pullin 5000pds. What i'm gettin at is what is more greusome a dog getting is ears cut off, Or a dog gettin slung around in a pit for 2hrs. At least the dog getting his ears cut off will get some anestia. Not say either one is right but some of you all are talkin out the side of your necks...
The pup in question did NOT have any "anesthesia" nor pain meds of any kind. A professional dogman does not stand pups on beer cartons & hack ears off with scissors. This dude needs to have his ears hacked off with scissors. There's absolutely NO excuse for this kind of crap.

[miakoda]

All I was saying if it is done properly and the dogs were given anistesia I have no problem with it. I know a few people that does their own ear cropings and they have been doing it for 20 years in their garage, but they use anastesia and know what they are doing. In fact I have seen some of the best ear crops done out of their garage.

The article sounded terrable, but It dosn,t give detail about what happened.
and yes it sais nothing about anastesia and probally wouldn,t even if he did.

I Completely agree with you on the other hand You really need to know what you are doing . how to do it treat it and care for it. Most importantely where to cut and how to cut it. And Yes it should be done by a vet.

I personally would never do cut jobs myself and i like the natural look but it is personal prefrence.

I do know this is a touchy subject and I do not mean to offend anyone I am sorry.Let's get something straight. Despite the fact that some might agree & actually like home crop jobs, the fact is it's ILLEGAL! Not only is it considered animal cruelty in ALL 50 states, but in many states it's a felony offense. Also, in many states it's considered practicing a medical profession without a license especially if the person in question was doing dogs for other peopel. And this site does not condone illegal activity so let's make sure we don't encourage this type of animal cruelty here!

[miakoda]

I believe that if someone wants their dogs ears cut, so be it. What used to cost $85 at a vet a few years ago, now costs $185, so I can full well understand how someone would delve into this. I do believe that it can be doe properly @ the house w/no complications. I myself have had many dogs ears cropped, and seen the vet do it many times, watched it done. It is not a complicated proceedure. Ears are not taped to seal the wound, they are stitched. The only time they are taped is when the ears wont stand up properly, and that has nothing to do with the way the ears were cut, but the muscles of the ears themselves. I would not have used scissors myself, you can get an instrument called a laser scalpel and it carterizes the wound as it is cut. Did anyone see the job on the ears? Some people (not me, but some) will save the clipped ears of the dog. For what I dont know, maybe voodoo or something, I dont know, but they do. Just like some people who castrate a bull save the ball sack, so the clipped part of the ears might have been on the beer box to dry out. I dont know, but you know full well that the news will say anything to sell the story, so why is it so hard to believe that this could be the case here? Because you believe it is wrong to clip the ears?

You say a dog has a choice to jump in the box or not, but does the dog have a choice to get it's nuts cut? What about being spade. I promise you, you ask any man if he wants his nuts cut(maybe a few exceptions) and he'll say,"NO", yet to you it is the humane thing to do. Not for the dog's benefit, but for yours, to make your life easier, cause it is too much trouble to keep your female put up when in season.

A dog is a dog. They are livestock and should be treated as such. Have any of you ever dealt with livestock? Ears are tagged, animals tatooed, castration, and if I want my dogs ears clipped, so be it! It seems to me that some people here have bought into the humaniac way of thinking of animals inadvertantly. you read their junk in the headlines so much that you have fallen asleep and bought into some of the hype. Wake up and smell the coffee, it's time to make the donuts!!

J
Please don't even try to compare ear cropping to the spaying/neutering of aniamals. Ear cropping is an unnecessary procedure done purely for the benift of the owner & what he thinks is "cool". Spaying/neutering, in addition to preventing unwanted/UNNEEDED pups, has many a health benefits & in many cases can save a dog's life. So don't lead people to believe that the two procedures are comparable. And as for people putting their own human emotions onto their dog in terms of getting neutered, well..............

[purplepig]

Please don't even try to compare ear cropping to the spaying/neutering of aniamals. Ear cropping is an unnecessary procedure done purely for the benift of the owner & what he thinks is "cool". Spaying/neutering, in addition to preventing unwanted/UNNEEDED pups, has many a health benefits & in many cases can save a dog's life. So don't lead people to believe that the two procedures are comparable. And as for people putting their own human emotions onto their dog in terms of getting neutered, well..............
Are you actually gona try and tell me that you do not do things that are unnecassary just for the simple fact that is how you like it? You might as well take that PETA crap and flush it down the toilet speaking to me. I dont buy into it, and never will. As to the unwanted/unneeded pups, are you so unresponsible that you cannot keep your dogs put up when in season? I thought I was irresponsible, but I have not that problem. I'll stop there. I got some other fish on the burner.LOL
J

[purplepig]

and I bet you 1000$ the Vet gave you instructions and or antibiotics to keep them ears clean didnt he...
I'll take that bet. Maybe I will use the money to get a few more ear croppings!HA HA HA.

I'd rather sound like a fool, and sound stupid than BE stupid, dogboy. comeon, come on, spit it out your mouth. There, better?

I never said that I would use scissors. Are you on the PETA board, cause your reply's remind me of allot of their retoric.

Come on, take the mask off and show us your badge.

" so what vets are dumb to for being prepared for infections"

Never made that comment, but the over use of antibiotics IS NOT GOOD!! Antibiotics are not a preventative. It is not like taking a vaccine. If you over give the stuff, the stuff will quite working for you. I bet you got a big bottle of one type of antibiotic, been usin the same stuff for 20 years huh?

"your retarded and it shows your ignorance by admitting you yourself go to a Vet"
So, .. you are saying that retarded people take their animals to the vet? HMM that is very interesting. So... are you retarded also?

"how can you support someone who didnt"

I never supported this man. That is another conclusion jumped,CJ.

"whats up with the meat eater crap..."

Suppose you have not read this whole thread have you, dogboy. Do you buy books and then flip, read a page, flip read a page? well, dont do it here. Go back and read the thread again, and see if you get enlightened as to where this came from, meat eater!BAWAHHHHHHHHHHH

"you dont even eat real food...you eat what FOOD eats before we slaughter and eat them"

Now, when did I ever say that I dont eat meat? Got a freezer full, most of which I went and took for myself, not paying someone else to do it for me, oh wait... there is another unnecassary thing, why take it myself when we have grocery stores? Give me a break, PETA!

Have a nice day, and make sure to eat some meat with your veggies, MEAT EATER!BAWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

J

[pennsooner]

Ok, you got me on the scissors thing. I aint really trying to take up for this fella, just tryin' to have allittle fun.LOL. I seen everyone get jumped on around here, kinda felt left out, so I saw my oppoortunity and took it!! One of them days, ya know. At least you are using the onl head to show reason.

But I really see no harm in doing this proceedure if you know what your doing. If you dont, and are just guessing, leave it alone! How I see it.

And FYI to all reading this post. Last month I went and had 4 of my pups ears cropped, by a VET!! No tape, No antibiotics, No problems. Now, all you meat eaters take that and shove it!!
J







To me, if you know your stuff and do it right, its no big deal either. I'm not a fan of ear cropping but........... I sure don't think the government should tell people they can't do it. And I don't see anything wrong with people doing stuff like ear clipping IF they do it right. I just got the feeling that in this guys case he did a real half assed job. Who knows, maybe he used surgical scissors...........

[PIt4life]

what is wrong with people?

[misterdogman]

I'll take that bet. Maybe I will use the money to get a few more ear croppings!HA HA HA.

I'd rather sound like a fool, and sound stupid than BE stupid, dogboy. comeon, come on, spit it out your mouth. There, better?

I never said that I would use scissors. Are you on the PETA board, cause your reply's remind me of allot of their retoric.

Come on, take the mask off and show us your badge.

" so what vets are dumb to for being prepared for infections"

Never made that comment, but the over use of antibiotics IS NOT GOOD!! Antibiotics are not a preventative. It is not like taking a vaccine. If you over give the stuff, the stuff will quite working for you. I bet you got a big bottle of one type of antibiotic, been usin the same stuff for 20 years huh?

"your retarded and it shows your ignorance by admitting you yourself go to a Vet"
So, .. you are saying that retarded people take their animals to the vet? HMM that is very interesting. So... are you retarded also?

"how can you support someone who didnt"

I never supported this man. That is another conclusion jumped,CJ.

"whats up with the meat eater crap..."

Suppose you have not read this whole thread have you, dogboy. Do you buy books and then flip, read a page, flip read a page? well, dont do it here. Go back and read the thread again, and see if you get enlightened as to where this came from, meat eater!BAWAHHHHHHHHHHH

"you dont even eat real food...you eat what FOOD eats before we slaughter and eat them"

Now, when did I ever say that I dont eat meat? Got a freezer full, most of which I went and took for myself, not paying someone else to do it for me, oh wait... there is another unnecassary thing, why take it myself when we have grocery stores? Give me a break, PETA!

Have a nice day, and make sure to eat some meat with your veggies, MEAT EATER!BAWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

JAll right dude your completely turned around....you managed to talk yourself out of condoning doing it yourself to not to not using antibiotics when needed to using a Vet when needed...circle talk works real good when done right...but in your case it just makes you look foolish....and by antibiotic I could be referring to something as simple as Triple antibiotic ointment and tar to cover the wounds...the only time I inject antibiotics is when a dog really needs them...and yes I have skipped over a lot of your statements....after the first few I knew you were making no sense and I stopped wasting energy on your stupid comments....yeah you might have managed to crawl out of the hole you dug this time but comparing me to PETA is like comparing you to a real dogman...were total opposites...I am totally anti PETA and anyone who knows me can back that up and your totally anti dogman and your statements back that up for you...I got more dogman in my left pinky than you got in your whole body....so quit answering ?s with ?s and circle talking because you can only do a 180 once then your back where you began...so decide what you want to change or reword this time and respond with something that halfway makes sense...

[purplepig]

Mista,

As far as your dog man comment, opinions vary. This is the internet and for all I know you could be some little kid playing fantasy island all the way to a descendant of the owner of the gas house dogs, I dont know, but I doubt that your half the dogman that you are in your mind. As for me, I am what I am. If there is one thing I do know, it's these dogs. I have never had anyone who got a dog from me complain, and they always went on to great things. I have sold many dogs that I bred for nice money w/out papers as to my reputation. Admitedly, not no worldwide , but around south Arkansas when someone gets a dog from me, they know they got something worth having.

As to my PETA comments, I cannot understand how anyone who is a "dogman" could be so against a person doing with their dog whatever they want. It is their dog. I am sick of people in this country, whose very freedom's that were bought with blood, trying to tell other people how to live. And that goes anywhere from seatbelts, to neutering a dog, to cropping ears, to where and when I can talk about Jesus! Give me a break.

And FYI, on a wound like that, you dont use triple antibiotic ointment(which we all know isnt the same as antibiotics, I see why your against this guy doing this, or anyone for that matter, cause you dont know what should be done to the dog, so yea, dont do it) what should be used is a topical antiseptic. We use Xenodine for all wounds such as this. Does a fine job, and I have never had it get infected keeping a wound clean. The wound sustained on ear cropping is not a deep wound, it is surface. Enough of that.

So,... have a nice day, and always remember to eat vegetables, MEAT EATER!!

J

And I never said that I dont condone doing it yourself. All along I said that IF you know how to perform the proceedure, I see nothing wrong in doing it yourself. I never said that I havent done it, or that I wont do it. I never said not to go to a vet, and I never said to go to a vet. There are times I go, and there are times I handle it myself. If you are the great dogman you claim to be, you should fully realize this instead of trying to be some kind of hot shi, I mean hot shot. I still believe PETA has slipped some stuff into your brain.You know that is how they do it. You reject the big stuff, but you hear it so much that you end up recieving their doctrine, one small piece at a time. Brainwashing 101

[ROSE]

Can you imagine what would have happened to earilier civilazation if they were not (ANIMAL EATERS).they made weapons out of the bones,used the hides and fur too keep warm,the animal fat for torches,GOD gave man canines(TEETH)for one reason and it wasn't to eat grass.this is another reason why i cannot donate money to the starving people in other countries when they have a 1500 lb cow beside them. JUST THE WAY I FEEL.

[miakoda]

Can you imagine what would have happened to earilier civilazation if they were not (ANIMAL EATERS
LOL. We woudln't be here. I hear cornstalks made lowsy spears. ;)

[purplepig]

Can you imagine what would have happened to earilier civilazation if they were not (ANIMAL EATERS).they made weapons out of the bones,used the hides and fur too keep warm,the animal fat for torches,GOD gave man canines(TEETH)for one reason and it wasn't to eat grass.this is another reason why i cannot donate money to the starving people in other countries when they have a 1500 lb cow beside them. JUST THE WAY I FEEL.
I hear ya. I go to a all you can eat buffet and eat mostly meat!!

J

[misterdogman]

Man if you knew where I been and what I went thru for these dogs you would feel like the fool you are...I have been from Iowa to the Adriatic sea to being swept away in Katrina for these dogs...and I always had a dog with me...And also one thing that is definitely different about us is that you peddle puppies and sell dogs ...I dont...Never have never will because a dogman who has good shit doesnt share or do it for a profit like you...you just showed you true colors and stupidity...puppy peddler...When you heasr about me selling an animal then you can say different but I would give one away or farm one out before I sold one...and your referrences to PETA goes hand in hand with people like you..you start getting caught up in your own words and have to resort to the trusty ol PETA put down...works everytime right...Wrong...because everyone here knows how stupid that sounds and anyone who has talked to me in PM or other places knows what I am all about...and now we all know what your about to...you made it easy enuf...puppy peddlin' dog sellin circle talking wannabe...maybe if your a good boy this year Santa will bring you a gamedog..Ears optional...and what does it have to do with freedom...I will give you all the freedom and money in the world if I could..because if I did it you would destroy yourself faster....

so go about your dog clippin and dog sellin for profit blah blah blah BS ways...people like you dont even exist to me so lets just quick talking from here on....I dont want my rep to go down if someone sees me talking to you they might think we were friends and that would be real bad for me but prolly good for you........

[bam-bam's mom]

mister you have rep points from this thread



second what does eaten meat or not eaten meat have to do with cutten off poor puppies ears?? that is just sick and twisted!!! cause i don't eat meat, but i got a yard full of premium meat goats, hogs, and chickens, with a deep freeze full of deer meat.

[purplepig]

Mista,

If you have that big of a problem with me, PM me, meet me, whatever. I am sure we can work it out. Dont go away mad. When I saw that BM joined in with you, I knew what kind of person you really are. Dont worry, you can always learn to be a better person, and a better dogman. I am sorry that your dogs are not worthy to be bought. So are you saying that... Floyd is not a dogman but a puppy pedler? what about all the other men who have pups they sell that are in your dogs pedigrees(well, maybe not yours). And you gona smear that garbage out of your mouth and talk about farming you animals out!! you said you had been swept away for these dogs, not swept far enough to me, you are still full of yourself. Why dont you just hug and kiss yourself right now, you know you want to.

You may have done this and that and the other for your dog, but I put my life on the line for YOUR freedom. You sit there with your mouth, remind me of all the folks who run their mouth about the ones in harms way now. Man, you couldnt buy a clue if you did have a million dollars.

You are all mouth, no show. Cur to the bottom of the barrel. Now, you have earned the right to go away. Not to go away mad, but to go away.

Have a nice day, you and BM.(kinda funny how such a dogman as yourself would have PETA agents jumping to your side!HA HA) My description of you would have to be...SMEGA. You and your mutts.
J

[bakerbt]

[QUOTE=purplepig]Mista,

So are you saying that... Floyd is not a dogman but a puppy pedler?


He is not saying that at all. A puppy pedler is in it for the money. This was not the case for Floyd.

[Suki]

[QUOTE=bam-bam's mom]



second what does eaten meat or not eaten meat have to do with cutten off poor puppies ears?? that is just sick and twisted!!!
QUOTE]

I was just thinking that same thing when I read that.

actually, many of the last replies have wandered, imo...no where near related to the original topic.
So, if members have something they'd like to say to each other, non-thread related, I ask that you handle that via PM's, and to keep this thread subject related.

Thank you, all.:)

[maryellen1]

for those that are interested, shadyridge called the shelter, and was told the pups will NOT be adopted out:(

[Suki]

for those that are interested, shadyridge called the shelter, and was told the pups will NOT be adopted out:(I am interested.
They give any specific reasons(s), as to why not?


Another article:

Lowell man facing charges after cutting off pit-bull puppy's ears

08/14/2006

http://www1.whdh.com/images/news_articles/archive/060813_injured_pitbull.jpg

08/14/2006

Lowell man facing charges after cutting off pit-bull puppy's ears





LOWELL, Mass. ; After using scissors and other makeshift items to cut the ears off a pit bull puppy, a 20-year-old Lowell man is now facing animal cruelty charges.

Luis Negron, 20, of 142 Concord St. was arrested Sunday afternoon after police officers saw a set of dog ears on an empty beer case in the backyard that was allegedly used as the operating table, police said.

Three men were in the backyard when police arrived at the scene.

One person quickly fled, and of the remaining pair, only Negron was directly involved in the incident, police said.

There were bloody surgical gloves, coffee grounds, glue and several pens in the backyard with the men, police said.

Officers found the pit bull puppy hidden in a stroller, crying in the basement.

Animal control confiscated the wounded dog and another unharmed pit bull puppy.

The dog that had been cut was taken to the Merrimak Animal Shelter for treatment.

Police said individuals sometimes cut the ears off dogs to make them appear more intimidating.

Negron was held on $500 cash bail.

If you are interested in adopting either of these pit bulls, please contact the Merrimack Animal Hospital 978-453-3277

[Marty]

Let's get something straight. Despite the fact that some might agree & actually like home crop jobs, the fact is it's ILLEGAL! Not only is it considered animal cruelty in ALL 50 states, but in many states it's a felony offense. Also, in many states it's considered practicing a medical profession without a license especially if the person in question was doing dogs for other peopel. And this site does not condone illegal activity so let's make sure we don't encourage this type of animal cruelty here!As Mia has said it is ILLEGAL in all 50 states of the USA to do this procedure yourself, and I'm not going to listen to the two of you argue (you know who you are) on this site take it to PMs or suffer the boot, nobody wants to hear all that shit!

[bahamutt99]

for those that are interested, shadyridge called the shelter, and was told the pups will NOT be adopted out:(
Just another opportunity to kill some Pit Bulls.

[Suki]

Just another opportunity to kill some Pit Bulls.

...indeed!
I was just curious to see how they worded it...:rolleyes:

[misterdogman]

As Mia has said it is ILLEGAL in all 50 states of the USA to do this procedure yourself, and I'm not going to listen to the two of you argue (you know who you are) on this site take it to PMs or suffer the boot, nobody wants to hear all that shit!Yeah thats right ...the two of you better keep it on topic and talk about how bad and illegal it is to DIY ear cropping.....and thats that...Illegal ALL 50 states...including Alaska and Hawaii...the most recent 2

[ghost 1]

peddling puppies is what it is,,,,,,,First off floyd put his whole life into his dogs,,so jumping off on someone elses bandwagon still don't make puppy peddling right,,,,floyd paid his dues,,,,you can,t even walk that line,,,,cropping ears,,,serves no purpose but to look cool and these folk doing home crop jobs without anistetic needs to have they,re balls snipped,,,for as taking care of my own,,,I do,,,from parvo to everything else....maybe a free country but i've seen it done(years ago) and personally if he done my dog like that i'de cut his nuts off,,,,to say its just a skin deep my a@@

[Attila]

cutt his balls off. I will heat the knife on the fire for ya. some one hold his arms and legs I will do it. lol

[ghost 1]

cutt his balls off. I will heat the knife on the fire for ya. some one hold his arms and legs I will do it. lol
thanxs am,,,, i'de rather just tie his butt up so i can make him suffer,,,

[Attila]

thanxs am,,,, i'de rather just tie his butt up so i can make him suffer,,,
Oh ok then I will get the ice pick red hot and poke out one of his eye'ses. Maybe heat it up again and pierce his nads to his forehead. lol

[misterdogman]

Oh ok then I will get the ice pick red hot and poke out one of his eye'ses. Maybe heat it up again and pierce his nads to his forehead. lolHell yeah ...just cut his ears off with a butter knife...or those school scissors that barely cut construction paper...the little silver ones made from dull sheet metal....lmao....lmao...yeah thats it those would freaken suck....

[Attila]

LMAO, yah that's the ticket. How about those scissors that make the zigzag cuts. That would also sucketh the big one. . Dull sheet metal LMAO I remember those too. Back in the 60's and 70's made in Tiawan with hammers and rivits. How about knaw them off with fingernail clippers?

[NCPatchwork]

If you can not afford to take the dog to the vet. You should not own a dog in the first place.
I agree...especially something that isn't even really medical related...I keep natural ears also.