what to do?

[sy82nj]

my bitch just had 7 pups but now it's 6. this was not a planned breeding or one i would ever make. the male is scattered as fuck. the male http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=200305 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=200305)
and here my bitch
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=200305 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=200305)

and this was the planned breeding http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=203835 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=203835)

should i reg this litter or not ?

he broke the set-up

[ABK]

I don't see why not. I assume either your or your friend owns the male. They must have kept him around for a reason. You never know you may get some good pups.

[misterdogman]

my bitch just had 7 pups but now it's 6. this was not a planned breeding or one i would ever make. the male is scattered as fuck. the male http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=200305 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=200305)
and here my bitch
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=200305 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=200305)

and this was the planned breeding http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=203835 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=203835)

should i reg this litter or not ?

he broke the set-upYou should know the answer already...you must question one of the dogs gameness. If their both good proven dogs and youve seen it with youre own eyes why wouldnt you see what happens....whether or whether not the male is scatterbred

[sy82nj]

true but i would never do or own a dog like him. he is on my yard. he is not my type of dog. and i'm go to keep anything out of this litter. and i don't sell dogs

[sy82nj]

you are right however . i don't deal with scatterbred dogs. i would never bred one. because i like to run a tight well bred stock. my dogs have to show to be proven and seen with my eyes

[CB]

I say if the parents are proven then why not. People right now are to hyped up on pretty papers.

[sy82nj]

but the male is a dog i would never own. that is why i did this post

[CB]

but the male is a dog i would never own. that is why i did this postWell whats your reasons for not wanting to own this kinda dog???. If he is tested and did well then why not own the dog hell i would. I would rather own a game dog then a dog with pretty papers.

[Big Rod]

but the male is a dog i would never own. that is why i did this post

I think you just answered your own question ;)

[misterdogman]

Well then if you dont want to give them a chance to earn the right to have you like them and want to own them and feed them....and your friend dont want them...then its simple....
all you need is a bucket of water...
if you cant do it...then give them away for free and wash your hands of it.... farm them out and give them a fair look in a couple years....if your bitch is a producer she might make ya something unexpected and even scatterbred dogs can be cold as hell and not game but produce good dogs. I am not saying he is cold or not game but I am saying its genetics man... the possibilities are endless so you never know what your going to get...thats about all your choices.

[miakoda]

all you need is a bucket of water...
There are thousands more humane ways to cull. Drowning is one of the most painful ways to go.

[misterdogman]

There are thousands more humane ways to cull. Drowning is one of the most painful ways to go.I know that I was just making a point. Comparing that to farming out...you know...whats easier to do...

[texas_dogger]

IMO as long as both the parents are well proven I would give the pups a chance to earn their keep until they come of age and see what you have. You might come up with a damn good dog.I have a friend that has a scatter bred bitch that is as hot as hell, and a decent producer.....However it seems that you are more interested in what the papers look like so I suppose it doesnt really matter what anyone says you are going to do what you want. Let the dogs speak for them self not the papers. Remember papers are a general guideline to what the dogs might turn out to be not what they are going to be.

[sy82nj]

paper are not the issue but the male is a dog that i would never used nor breed own as stated befored. and the planned breeding was one from a proven male that is producing good offspring. he has a 6 month male full of fire. i don't believe in owning a scatterbred dog. i think one way in dogs and other think different.

[texas_dogger]

Well it appears that you already had your mind made up before you posted the question...so why bother asking peoples opinion? All that does is waste time that could have been put to better use answering questions that people seriously what a answer to. Have a good day.

[newbieturtlepits]

i respect life .. register and let them go to the very best homes possible as pets no chance of breeding foward,, if you have someone that will keep the best of the litter and see if the mix was worth it then that would be good... but if you really really thinking they wont do much for you .. register and send them on their way with spay orders . no breeder rights to them.. think you find more family owners that way.. rather than breeders coming from wood work .. that happens first for sale you got is a bunch of breeders wanna see what you got compared to what they got ... good luck .. i dont myself like the bucket thing

[ghost 1]

paper are not the issue but the male is a dog that i would never used nor breed own as stated befored. and the planned breeding was one from a proven male that is producing good offspring. he has a 6 month male full of fire. i don't believe in owning a scatterbred dog. i think one way in dogs and other think different.

reguardless the dog was on your yard ,,, and it is your responsibilty ,,, papered or not,, papers are nothing in the game,,,proven parents produces proven dogs,,, not to say they'll all be game,,, whats funny is my dogs are papered,,but will not paper my pups making them useless to puppy peddlers,,, my litters are gone before i have them,,,they are to be worked and see if they'll prove themselfs to earn they're keep ,,,before the culling starts,,,, will get papers when i find ones that i want to keep out of the bunch,,,to my close friends that get a pup the papers will come later,,

[sy82nj]

thank you for your reply. you spoken very well and i value your opinion on this matter at hand ntp

[sy82nj]

to ghost 1. i feel what you are saying but i have strong believe on not dealing with scatterbred dogs. i'm still young in the game when it come to breeding. i never bred dogs. my partner has bred his dosg. but not me. ice cold x sugar baby was going to be the start of my stock. so i stick to me guns. i will let the live on but not on my yard. the only one i'm going to have to deal is the one my girl picks for herself. the another will going to good home or yard willing to see what they can do for them. if they make something the better. the ice cold dog might be used to weed the bs blood. if the dogs prove to be a good in my book.

[SApits]

i'd give them a chance...remember the story of gr ch 35, he was bought for 35 bucks as a grown dog w/o papers and the previous owner didn't have a clue bout his parents or his blood. just goes to show u never can tell. 2 scatter bred curs could produce a killer just not likely.

[simms]

i'd give them a chance...remember the story of gr ch 35, he was bought for 35 bucks as a grown dog w/o papers and the previous owner didn't have a clue bout his parents or his blood. just goes to show u never can tell. 2 scatter bred curs could produce a killer just not likely.
Grown dog....different situation, 2-3 yrs of feeding makes a difference for sure!
I'm sure that handling played the difference in the fate of that dog.....Although it is one of my favorite storys :)

[Attila]

why was this male in your yard? Being that he doesn't suit your taste and you wouldn't own a dog like him. Who's dog is he and why if you care so little about him was he able to breed your bitch? What is it I am not seeing here? How did this dog get the opprotunity to stick. It is too late to fix it now. Raise them up and go throught the normal culling process as normal and next time breed her to your idea of a prime stud. Problem solved. Hell every now and then you need some variation in the pool can't swim with the kin folk all the time start getting retarded. lol

[simms]

to ghost 1. i feel what you are saying but i have strong believe on not dealing with scatterbred dogs. i'm still young in the game when it come to breeding. i never bred dogs. my partner has bred his dosg. but not me. ice cold x sugar baby was going to be the start of my stock. so i stick to me guns. i will let the live on but not on my yard. the only one i'm going to have to deal is the one my girl picks for herself. the another will going to good home or yard willing to see what they can do for them. if they make something the better. the ice cold dog might be used to weed the bs blood. if the dogs prove to be a good in my book.

Are you lookin for takers or are you realy trying to debate this in your mind .....you already have the answers.

I single register.

[FearlessKnight]

Are you lookin for takers or are you realy trying to debate this in your mind .....you already have the answers.

I single register.
Yes, that is what I was wondering as well....you say you don't sell them, but you don't to keep them, so....if they are a problem then we would be more than happy to take them off of your hands...w/papers!

[maryellen1]

Sy82nj- let me see here, you had an accidental breeding, you dont like the male for whatever reason, but wont give a reason good enough except he is scatter bred, and are willing to dump the pups on the JQ public?? hellooooo... lets rethink this here, you are now responsible for this litter, and to just dump the pups on the JQ public without knowing the temperment is irresponsible.. if you cant keep the entire litter until they are mature so that you know their temperment then cull them all. period. dont put them out in the JQ public for the public to deal with a potentially super hot dog or a potentially HA dog.. keep them all until they mature, and then do what you have to , either cull or find proper homes and spay/neuter them that make the grade for pet homes.

[sy82nj]

why was this male in your yard? Being that he doesn't suit your taste and you wouldn't own a dog like him. Who's dog is he and why if you care so little about him was he able to breed your bitch? What is it I am not seeing here? How did this dog get the opprotunity to stick. It is too late to fix it now. Raise them up and go throught the normal culling process as normal and next time breed her to your idea of a prime stud. Problem solved. Hell every now and then you need some variation in the pool can't swim with the kin folk all the time start getting retarded. lol

it my partner male and he break the o-ring at the base of the axel. i hope this answer all your ?'s

[sy82nj]

Yes, that is what I was wondering as well....you say you don't sell them, but you don't to keep them, so....if they are a problem then we would be more than happy to take them off of your hands...w/papers!
why would you need the papers?

[sy82nj]

what does jq mean?

[sy82nj]

Sy82nj- let me see here, you had an accidental breeding, you dont like the male for whatever reason, but wont give a reason good enough except he is scatter bred, and are willing to dump the pups on the JQ public?? hellooooo... lets rethink this here, you are now responsible for this litter, and to just dump the pups on the JQ public without knowing the temperment is irresponsible.. if you cant keep the entire litter until they are mature so that you know their temperment then cull them all. period. dont put them out in the JQ public for the public to deal with a potentially super hot dog or a potentially HA dog.. keep them all until they mature, and then do what you have to , either cull or find proper homes and spay/neuter them that make the grade for pet homes.
if you read the post well you would understand that i don't believe in changing my style so early in the game. this is how i think and is good enuff reason to me. temperment is just a word to me. manbiter's are not good dogs in this breed. this litter is one that can be a good or bad but it will all come back on me

[laurajean]

Well, huff!, Accidents happen and due to this accident I hope you will now inspect your dog equipment daily. Dogs are gonna do what they are gonna do. It's up to you as a breeder to see that your females are bred appropriately. You are responsible for this litter as others have so kindly pointed out because you did not check your equipment for flaws. Good thing the male didn't attack one of your other dogs. How would you feel then?
So enough lecturing JQ Public is just a term for John Q. Public. The Q means nothing. It's just a term like "John Doe" for an unknown person. Or "Jane Doe."
I fail to see how the puppies are at fault for your mistake. Dogs don't care about papers...and you are silly to think that you might not have a wonderful dog in that litter. Too bad you are thinking of making the "pups" pay for your own mistake.
You have been offered many solutions besides "culling" the pups. Be a man and admit you made a mistake and try to do something positive for the pups who didn't ask to be born with the "wrong" pedigree. Obviously you don't feel comfortable with "culling" them or you wouldn't have posted. You made a commitment to your dogs born and unborn when you decided to start breeding. Follow through.

[maryellen1]

if you read the post well you would understand that i don't believe in changing my style so early in the game. this is how i think and is good enuff reason to me. temperment is just a word to me. manbiter's are not good dogs in this breed. this litter is one that can be a good or bad but it will all come back on me<!-- google_ad_section_end --><!-- / message --><!-- google_ad_section_start(weight=ignore) --><!-- sig -->
ok, i dont follow you.. you dont believe in changing your style so early in the game, - what does that mean?>

ok, so you feel the dog is scatterbred for your own reasons, but dont want to state them. ok..

[dustinp87]

okay ill throw my 2cents in i see wat sy is sayin he doesnt like the papers his style is to keep his line tight but the question for the beginin has already been answered if u dont want the pups comin back to u in ether way good or bad then cullem if u just wanta get rid of them if u wanna try and sellem, sellem wit no papers

[sy82nj]

Well, huff!, Accidents happen and due to this accident I hope you will now inspect your dog equipment daily. Dogs are gonna do what they are gonna do. It's up to you as a breeder to see that your females are bred appropriately. You are responsible for this litter as others have so kindly pointed out because you did not check your equipment for flaws. Good thing the male didn't attack one of your other dogs. How would you feel then?
So enough lecturing JQ Public is just a term for John Q. Public. The Q means nothing. It's just a term like "John Doe" for an unknown person. Or "Jane Doe."
I fail to see how the puppies are at fault for your mistake. Dogs don't care about papers...and you are silly to think that you might not have a wonderful dog in that litter. Too bad you are thinking of making the "pups" pay for your own mistake.
You have been offered many solutions besides "culling" the pups. Be a man and admit you made a mistake and try to do something positive for the pups who didn't ask to be born with the "wrong" pedigree. Obviously you don't feel comfortable with "culling" them or you wouldn't have posted. You made a commitment to your dogs born and unborn when you decided to start breeding. Follow through.
I CHECK MY HARDWARE. I'M WORRIED BOUT HIM ATTACKING ANOTHER DOG. ENUFF SAID BOUT THAT

[sy82nj]

ok, i dont follow you.. you dont believe in changing your style so early in the game, - what does that mean?>

ok, so you feel the dog is scatterbred for your own reasons, but dont want to state them. ok..

THE MALE IS SCATTERBRED GAME/SHOW/OFRN/ DOGS ARE ALL WITHIN HIS PED. I RESEARCH PEDS FRONT TO BACK AND PASS THE 4TH

[newbieturtlepits]

why was this male in your yard? Being that he doesn't suit your taste and you wouldn't own a dog like him. Who's dog is he and why if you care so little about him was he able to breed your bitch? What is it I am not seeing here? How did this dog get the opprotunity to stick. It is too late to fix it now. Raise them up and go throught the normal culling process as normal and next time breed her to your idea of a prime stud. Problem solved. Hell every now and then you need some variation in the pool can't swim with the kin folk all the time start getting retarded. lol

hey stopit i resemble that remark.... lol j/k , just make me laugh thats all however , i felt , raise them , if anything looks good . . give it a shot spay neuter the rest... if it dont work out with the one you think might do it for ya place it as pet bull and spay nueter it.. if it too much money for ya. well , peta spay nueter pits for free.. hope you find a good solution

[whiteyransom]

cull hard if need be. if that's your game,,,i wouldn't keep an unproven dog anywhere near my game dogs that are in heat. hell, i keep mine locked down while in heat.