PIt4life
08-06-2006, 01:13 PM
Anyone know anything on this dog? Or these dogs-
CH PANAMA RED
AVANT'S CH. ALIEN
BURTON'S GR.CH. HANK
CREN. CH. RASCAL
MAD'S CH. GABE
SANTA'S GR. CH. MONGOOSE
REBEL'S CH. BAD BECKY
--THANX!
maximusab
08-06-2006, 01:20 PM
What did you want to know? These are some really nice dogs. I really like Hank, Pan Red and Rascal.
Anyone know anything on this dog? Or these dogs-
CH PANAMA RED
AVANT'S CH. ALIEN
BURTON'S GR.CH. HANK
CREN. CH. RASCAL
MAD'S CH. GABE
SANTA'S GR. CH. MONGOOSE
REBEL'S CH. BAD BECKY
--THANX!
hillbilly
08-06-2006, 02:50 PM
Back in the mid-70's an old red dog with cropped ears appeared on the dog fighting circuit in Texas and Oklahoma. He had a very good mouth and eventually became a "champion" of record with the sport's match reporting magazines. This dog was called "Panama Red" presumably after the popular variety of marijuana that was available on the black market at around that time.
When I came on the scene in Oklahoma in late 1976 "Panama Red" had already won two matches. I first heard of him when Jim Uselton had a friend of Danny B.'s named Rusty condition and handle Jim's "King Solomon" for a match into David Eubanks' Ch. "Zeus". "Zeus" had recently been matched into this "Panama Red" dog and the outcome was quite controversial and those in the fraternity who had witnessed the match there in the southwestern USA were still talking about it.
According to seasoned and reliable dog men I had met like Doug Blair (the ""Big Plumber" of Ch. Alligator fame) and George Gilman (owner of Pusher, Ch.Gomer, Ch. 400 etc.) and others this is how that match went.
Eubanks' "Zeus" was a very talented and smart dog that could make many of them look foolish in the box. He was in the process of making one time winner "Panama Red" look foolish in their match when at about the half-hour mark "Red" jumped over the wall! At that point the match would have been over, according to the rules, except that Zeus still had a hold of "Red's" Stifle. Either "Red" was pushed back in to the box or he came back over the wall on his own but in either event he grabbed "Zeus'" front leg and bit down on an artery causing blood to spurt out of the wound. A handle was made and according to witnesses David Eubanks was trying to stop the bleeding with blood stop powder, which should be a rules violation, and when he couldn't control the bleeding he conceded the match to save his valuable warrior. That match made "Panama Red" a two time winner but a very controversial one!
In November 1976 there was a very large convention coming up, to which I had been invited. Danny's friend and partner Dwight H., a sometime rodeo cowboy, was putting it on in the Texas panhandle near where he lived. I learned that Dwight had a dog named "Poco" matched into the "Panama Red" dog in that show. At that time I was as green as the grass on an April afternoon and, as I felt I was technically in the same camp with Danny and Dwight, I constantly pelted Dwight with questions about his "Poco" dog. Could he bite? Had he been tested hard? How did he think he could handle the hard biting red dog? All I could get out of Dwight was evasive and vague answers though and Danny wasn't very forthcoming about "Poco" either.
I didn't have the experience to think so at the time but in retrospect I believe this match was what is called a "gate fight". That means the match was made for the express purpose of running up the gate at this big show which was expected to attract around 300 people or so and in fact it did. The idea is with that many people coming and paying $5/fight to get in one could afford to lose the $500 bet (if it was even that much) on a "gate fight" and recover 300 X $5 or $1500 dollars in gate money! And on the other side of the coin, it would get "Panama Red" an "easy" third win and championship. Not a bad deal for either side, nor the first time something like that had been done. After all the facts were in on "Red" and I saw him perform I wonder if there was even a bet at all. In time it will become clear why I felt this way.
The big day came and I rode out to the event with a famous guest, my friend, Dick Stratton, who was later sorry he came, I think, as we all were to be before the day was over. But back to the match.
"Red" was a rangy dog, in condition with a big head and a rather long muzzle; not the "bulldoggy" looking type. "Poco" was a chocolate colored dog and looked typical of many of the Tudor/Mayfield bred dogs that were being campaigned at that time.
They washed and weighed the dogs for Dwight's match into "Panama Red" and put them in the pit. From the start "Red" dominated although I did notice he made a "hot turn" at about the 15 minute mark, throwing his shoulder out at "Poco" and panting while looking into the crowd. "Poco" seemed content to take a break from that hard mouth and catch some air himself. This is not the desired behavior in a match dog, of course, and I remembered the stories of "Red" jumping the wall against "Zeus". Before long "Red" had bitten the slow moving, untalented "Poco" down in the stifles and he sat out the count at 32 minutes.
The only other detail of interest I can remember about "Red" is that he scratched like a kid going to class on the day of the big test, the one he hadn't prepared for. And his handler seemed in no hurry to get him to the scratch line. I remember thinking that Danny's ten year old daughter, Karen, could have made handles that "Oklahoma Shorty" seemed to miss when trying to catch his dog out of holds. For an experienced "professional" he always seemed awfully clumsy when trying to handle old "Red". Experience taught me that is often the case when a handler doesn’t really want to get to the scratch line!
In March of 1977 I happened to witness "Red's" fourth and final match against Jick Belveal's "Beans" dog. This match was almost a carbon copy of the "Poco" match except that Bean's was probably a little better dog. This had the effect of making "Red" turn even worse when he got hot and causing his scratches to get even slower than before. The result was the same, however, "Red" bit "Beans" down in the stifle and he sat it out in exactly the same time as "Poco" had, 32 minutes!
The really interesting phase of "Red's" career (to me, at least) actually came after he was "retired" to stud. It is my belief that his owners decided to quit while they were ahead and sell some pups instead of going for "Red's" grand championship and possibly getting him stopped cold as his gameness seemed to be getting shorter all the time. Just my opinion but their subsequent actions seem to bear that opinion out. "Red's" gameness hadn't impressed anyone who had actually seen him go and frankly if he had quit a "cur champion" isn't going to sell many pups.
In the ensuing months two things of interest to this story happened. One is that full page ads started being run in the magazines proclaiming what a great dog "Panama Red" was and pups were being sold off of him as fast as they could be produced, apparently. The other is that a crowd of admirers started showing up at the shows with T-shirts, sweat-shirts, ball caps etc. with "CH. PANAMA RED" emblazoned on them. (Actually, as the photo above shows, this started a little before Red was retired.) These people were, of course, the same people who had been associated with "Red" when he was being campaigned except, now that "Red" was retired, they seemed much more confident in his fighting ability than they had when there was still some chance of him quitting in a match…and they seemed very confident in his ability to produce good dogs.
This behavior was unheard of in those days, the first time I had ever seen such blatant promotion of any well-known dog at an actual dog show. I couldn't help but think it was a lot of admiration to bestow on a dog that acted so badly in the pit, one I had no inclination to breed to or even raise one puppy out of. I later found out what that was all about!
As a footnote, I once overheard Don Mayfield say that, "Panama Red" was a dog which was found on the streets of Fort Worth, Texas" if I remember correctly. One thing I am certain of in my mind, although I can't prove it, is that "Red" is not bred the way his papers show him to be. Most of those old Tudor dogs looked quite different from "Red" and acted quite different too, usually showing to be extremely game dogs in the pit. And his "breeder" T. Sherwood was certainly capable of "selling some papers".
by:Rushin Bill
PIt4life
08-07-2006, 09:06 PM
Thanx for the acticle HillBilly!
NORTH
08-07-2006, 10:10 PM
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14269Thanx for the acticle HillBilly!
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