Help Needed,,,starved Dog

[ghost 1]

I've got a dog that i had a discussion with the owner cuz of the dog is starved,,,he let me have him,,, Anyone got any special recipes for putting weight back on,,,,this is the worst case of starvation i personally have ever seen without death,,, i got him and am in need of special food advice,,,,i like to grease down the dog food,,, to help but any advice will be greatly appreciated....


the ghost

[jeeperino]

Dont just start feeding him $hitloads. Maybe some IV's and a lot of small meals at first. I've never had a dog that bad, but I know not to let him pig out at first cause it could kill them.

[bam-bam's mom]

first off prayers comming for your new found friend


second~ bambam was like that when i took him as a rescue, it took about 2 months to get back fat and healthy, i feed him 3 times a day (small amounts) till he was back up in weight.

i hope he pulls threw for ya!!

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Well sir, I appreciate the gesture you made towards one member of the breed. An acquaintance of mine did the same a several months ago. In fact, I remember opening up a thread here about it.

If I remember correctly, Marty suggested giving it small amounts of semi cooked ground meat or better yet, turkey.

I think the key here is to NOT feed it too much at one time. Its digestive system may be too fragile to handle it. Along with frequent small feeds, give her a lot of loving. This combination will surely improve its chances of surviving.

Regards,


RH

[maryellen1]

satin balls usually work good, its a mixture of meat,rice, and other stuff that will fatten up a dog

[NOLEFAN]

When I rescue I feed them PLAIN boiled chicken (cooked thoroughly) and PLAIN white rice. Pull the chicken apart and mix it with the rice.

Hope this helps!

Good luck!

[brindle]

Here is some info from the Davis Medical site about starvation and
re-feeding:

http://64.233.187.104/u/ucdsvm?q=cache:6zaqKNgLwykJ:www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/msmp/pdfs/disaster_refeeding_guidelines.pdf+starvation&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8 (http://64.233.187.104/u/ucdsvm?q=cache:6zaqKNgLwykJ:www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/msmp/pdfs/disaster_refeeding_guidelines.pdf+starvation&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&ie=UTF-8)

They also have more info in a PDF file linked at the top of the page.

--------------------------------

Refeeding plan:

Calculations exist for developing a detailed refeeding plan.

See additional notes referenced above for more information. For practical purposes, the following will be adequate in most cases:.

Choose a good quality food, ideally one that is relatively low in carbohydrates and high
in fat.

Start by feeding ¼ to ½ of the recommended daily amount (depending on the degree of starvation)..

Divide this amount into 6 small meals per day.

Increase the amount by 1/8th to 1/4th per day over 7-10 days while gradually
reducing the number of feeding.

Intestinal absorption of B vitamins may be impaired in starved animals, and pre-existing deficiencies can be made worse when food is re-introduced. Consider subcutaneous supplementation with B vitamins (especially thiamine) in severe cases.

----------------------------------------------------

Basically you want to feed many small meals in a day and not too rich a food since their systems are not used to any food at all.

Cooked chicken and rice is a bland diet and often used for starved dogs. Small meals are best, you don't want the dog getting diarrhea.

Once you have the dog in better shape, Satin Balls can be used to put weight back on, but those are pretty rich so you don't want to start with feeding them.

Good luck with the dog and glad you took him rather than letting him starve to death.

[laurajean]

You know I think the plain boiled white rice idea is really good(mixed with plain boiled chicken) I had a puppy get garbage poisoning once and the vet said that I had to ease her into eating again with frequent, small meals that were easy on the tummy. The dog, of course will want to gorge, but that might kill it. Just give it frequent small meals of easy to digest food...and white rice and boiled chicken are two things that are easy on their tummies.
When it gets a little better you can gradually add more fat to its diet to sleek it up.
good luck and let us know how it goes.
You know there is some sort of special water you can give your dogs, I learned about it here on this forum that helps keep the body electrolytes in balance. I hope more knowledgeable people post here soon with more help. Just remember small meals, easy to digest food and frequent meals.
Hopefully the big gun experts will post with more techinical info soon. When animals are starved their body starts feeding off its own protein and messes up their functions, like heart, liver, kidneys and lungs so you need to ease the dog into eating without overloading it's weakened systems..
Poor dog...Hope it makes it.

[B]

There is some good advice in this thread. ghost, don't overdo it. Give him consistant meals and plenty of water. Let the dogs system adjust naturally and the weight will steadily come back. I can't stress enough how important lots of fresh clean water is. Resist the urge to let the dog eat until it can not eat anymore. This is extremely hard on the dogs system and will not help him get healthy. Be patient and give the animal plenty of time to slowly work back his weight and strength. This process can take a long time. I would avoid grease and other such things that will only upset his already fragile digestive system. Thank you for caring about the dog when no one else obviously did.

Best Regards,

B

[BamaBoy]

A little Red Cell wouldn't hurt either...

[asaj]

Willard water,is what I use. It comes in two different forms, I have only used the clear one. I have picked up allot of "skeleton" pups and grown dogs from the gutters and garbage pails down here. I know, and even my vet. tell me boiled chicken and rice. But to me it does not really make sense. Rice is a carbohydrate, and is difficult for dogs to digest. I use cooked chicken and other meats the first 2 days. After that I start with giving them raw meat, gradually, together with grated vegetables. I also give them vitamin C, to help the imunesystem, 250 mg for small pups or 500 mg for medium dogs.

I admire you for taking the dog, and like some people said, nothing beats a lot of love! Good luck!

[brindle]

Here's the recipe!



Ingredients

10 pounds hamburger meat [the cheapest kind]
1 lg. box of Total cereal [or comparable natural brand]
1 lg. box oatmeal
1 jar of wheat germ
1 1/4 cup veg oil
1 1/4 cup of unsulfured molasses
10 raw eggs
10 envelopes of unflavored gelatin
pinch of salt

Mix all ingredients together, much like you would a meatloaf.

Divide into 10 quart freezer bags and freeze.

Thaw as needed.
Yep, Satin Balls are great to add weight to a healthy dog, but they are a bit too rich for a starved dog. You need to feed them slowly with bland foods until they have recovered some. It's much better to get them healthy and then gradually feed richer foods to add the weight.

[ghost 1]

here are some pics


http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/ghost8989/IM000773.jpg (http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/ghost8989/?start=#imgAnch5)http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/ghost8989/IM000774.jpg (http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/ghost8989/?start=#imgAnch1)http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/ghost8989/IM000768.jpg (http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/ghost8989/?start=#imgAnch4)

[Miss Conduct]

ADDING SMALL AMOUNTS OF WHEAT GERM OIL (YOU CAN FIND THIS AT ANY FEED STORE) TO FEEDINGS CAN HELP FATTEN THEM UP SLOWLY.

I USE THIS ON HARD KEEPERS (HORSES & DOGS THAT ARE WORKING) WORKS GREAT, LEAVES A NICE COAT TOO!

[ghost 1]

thanks ya'll the dog just looks horrible,,, the pics just don't do justice for this,,, just some time and maybe alittle luck ,,,

[purplepig]

First off, I applaud you for this. Second, If I were you, I would go get that powdered calf milk, I call it calf starter. I would off this, mixed into a milkshake consistancy 5 times a day. There is also this stuff that's been around for 50 years or so, called V.A.L. syrup. It will jump start the body's system to get it working properly. I would not feed it solid food for a while, and see how it does with the calf starter. If I boiled chicken, I would give the dog the broth, and eat the chicken myself for a while. When a dog, or human for that matter, has not had solid food for a while, the intake of solid food could cause the internal organs to rupture, as they are not used to functioning. I would expect diarea as normal through the process of getting the dog's system back up. Now to think of it, I would mix 1/4cup calf starter, 3 teaspoons of VAL syrup, and mix it up with pedialite or some electolyte fluid to make it a little thicker than a milkshake.
Good luck!
J

[B]

That poor dog. Thank you for doing something ghost. I don't even know what to say... that picture is horrible. Keep us updated with words and pictures. I'm eager to see this boy get back healthy and happy with his new family.

Best Regards,

B

[ghost 1]

That poor dog. Thank you for doing something ghost. I don't even know what to say... that picture is horrible. Keep us updated with words and pictures. I'm eager to see this boy get back healthy and happy with his new family.

Best Regards,

B
i talked with the guy(older man) and he said he just couldn't afford it,,, and said he was in a bind,,, after talking for a while ,,i finally ask if i could have him and he said "it'll beat him sittin out there dying cuz right no he had to worry with his family,,, i just don,t think i could do that before i ask for some help from family,,,at least for the dog

[Attila]

Aw damn dude that is sad. Do you still have my phone number? I will butcher some chickens and bring them out to you. Iffen you don't need them you could take them to the family I don't have nothing planed that is too important not to help so give me a call. I hate to see that. Damn shame. Does the old feller got food to eat himself? I will bring something for him to stick in the cupboards too if need be. Don't you be bashful with me bro I will bring it and not think about it again don't you worry none on that.

[REACTiON]

well, i was told this worked for many people... and i've tried it on the dog i rescued before he passed. anyways... small amounts atleast 1 cup of 1/2 cat food 1/2 dog food. i guess the cat food is high in fat. feed every 6 hours... i'm not sure if this method works because i din't have the dog i tried it on very long because he soon passed because of parvo and he was to the point where he couldn't be saved. make sure the dogs shots are updated... want a fatty dog food, try river run.

[Verderben]

I recently got a dogthat was VERY skinny. All bones and skin. We started out by feeding her small meals 3 -4 times a day. 2 meals were boiled chicken and rice and the other 1 -2 were a low residue dog food from the vet. She is now on regular dog food eating twice a day and she is looking great. You can definetely tell she has put on weight. Good Luck with your pup. and as others said small amounts at first so she dont get sick. also watch that he dont drink like a gallon of water at a time. Let him have what he wants as far as water but small amounts at a time. like 1 bowl at a time. make him take a break for like half hour then offer more water. Cause too much water at once will also make him sick and he will likely throw up .

[newbieturtlepits]

Aw damn dude that is sad. Do you still have my phone number? I will butcher some chickens and bring them out to you. Iffen you don't need them you could take them to the family I don't have nothing planed that is too important not to help so give me a call. I hate to see that. Damn shame. Does the old feller got food to eat himself? I will bring something for him to stick in the cupboards too if need be. Don't you be bashful with me bro I will bring it and not think about it again don't you worry none on that.
dude you amaze me .. attila you da mannn!!
ok anyway hope i can get this out before the storm knocks out my cable
i have alot really good recipes for just what is going on with this little fella
get you some of the gruel at the local pet supply .. its the next step called weaning formula... give a little bit of that couple times a day .. and along with that plan.. i have a formula guaranteed to help.. make sure the animal is parasite free.. any parasites can undo the health you are putting into the dog puppy looks like its in dire next of amino complex ... the chicken recipe i use is i only use chicken livers ... simmered with a bit of olive oil and when its cooked i throw soem eggs in there ..... after that i run it in the blender and it looks bad but the pups and dogs get healthy on it then you still needs carbs for puppy ,, that pup needs the b vitamins to get goin good the chicken liver will build blood up nicely... the eggs biotin for energy and coat and lutein for eyesight.... carb you choose can consist of organic brown rice , ground corn , sweet potatoes and a very few veggies they really like them carbs are very necessary for energy and to build up pupy.... i got a fierce storm here so may not be able to finnish this time .. that weaning formula will work wonders .. dont give too much at a time that will give puppy diarhea and make you lose all you done to make better.. i will come back later as this storm has started fires all around town and my friend left ladder up against my house !! gotta go take it down!! be back later

[Attila]

Gruel I think they served that to us in the Army. sound about right. If he calls me in the morning I can take him some B complex in a serenge about 5cc should be good to boost him. Looks like about 3cc of Ivamectin would worm him good too. I can't figure that dog is over 30 pounds. Ground corn? you talking mill run corn? or finer? I have to go to the feed store in the morning to get grain for the chickens and sheep and dog food anyway. they have mill run corn and oats etc. Brown rice is a heath food item.

Don't be amazed at me you'll have to thank the Man upstairs for the changes in my heart these past years I have mellowed out and found some compassion. It isn't my doing at all. I need lots of prayer every day. Iffen you do that I sure can use them every day. If not thank a Mason for poking my ribs to behaive and live up to my oaths and to that I promissed to Whom I Trust.

[realonebulldog]

I've got a dog that i had a discussion with the owner cuz of the dog is starved,,,he let me have him,,, Anyone got any special recipes for putting weight back on,,,,this is the worst case of starvation i personally have ever seen without death,,, i got him and am in need of special food advice,,,,i like to grease down the dog food,,, to help but any advice will be greatly appreciated....


the ghost Shreddet fresh Bullhearts and eggs are really good....and very important is clear water.If he is extrem weak make him a good soap with eggs in it.....hope you get him on his feet^^

[Attila]

Shreddet fresh Bullhearts and eggs are really good....and very important is clear water.If he is extrem weak make him a good soap with eggs in it.....hope you get him on his feet^^
Soup with eggs in it. Shreded Beef hearts. Like a bouloux or egg drop soup using beef heart insted of salty chicken grease. Ya das ist shur gutten.

Soap is what is used here to bath and wash with. sorry just trying to help. I need it now and then too.

[realonebulldog]

Soup with eggs in it. Shreded Beef hearts. Like a bouloux or egg drop soup using beef heart insted of salty chicken grease. Ya das ist shur gutten.

Soap is what is used here to bath and wash with. sorry just trying to help. I need it now and then too.lol thx ....I know someting was wrong....but I didnt find out what.LOL

[Attila]

lol thx ....I know someting was wrong....but I didnt find out what.LOL
Lol ya you don't want to feed the dog soap. it will give it diarrea. lol

[newbieturtlepits]

Gruel I think they served that to us in the Army. sound about right. If he calls me in the morning I can take him some B complex in a serenge about 5cc should be good to boost him. Looks like about 3cc of Ivamectin would worm him good too. I can't figure that dog is over 30 pounds. Ground corn? you talking mill run corn? or finer? I have to go to the feed store in the morning to get grain for the chickens and sheep and dog food anyway. they have mill run corn and oats etc. Brown rice is a heath food item.

Don't be amazed at me you'll have to thank the Man upstairs for the changes in my heart these past years I have mellowed out and found some compassion. It isn't my doing at all. I need lots of prayer every day. Iffen you do that I sure can use them every day. If not thank a Mason for poking my ribs to behaive and live up to my oaths and to that I promissed to Whom I Trust.

ok now i can finnish what i started,,, dont give canned anything becuz the process of canning adds alot of metals to the product... and a puppy with a compromised system such as being starved long term it looks like doesnt have the great liver and kidney functions as well as the good bone marrowto cleanse the blood of the metals that seep into the food and the mercury... and then alot of it lodges in the brain same as humans and filings made of metal they slowly poison you and can be a big cause of alzheimers...... next is the raw food.. same deal puppy doesnt have what it takes to digest and eliminate the bacteria, germs, parasites and ecoli that is present in raw food that a heathy digestive system can handle.. how well do you know the people handling the meat where you are buying it.... bad handling can cause so many problems even death.. so please only cooked .. dont choose bison or venesion not enough fat to get the little one going.. beef hearts is great i cook it up also not till way done but till not dangerous.. i usually leave that for my females that gave birth . the livers will do you.. the corn or brown rice or chopped small veggies is necessary for recovery.. make sure the carbs have plenty of water to cook so the fiber can help hold the protein in the dog you may want to give some **indoor kitten food** for now as crunchy treat about a cup for entire day , no canned foods... but the dry have support for the eyes as it has been a longer term thing , its possible the eyes have suffered along with the rest of the internal organs.. if you like , the effects are about the same as anorexia.. you may look it up .. and see the damages the lack of food will do to a body.. i hope this has helped and im so glad to have seen so many people try and help out with this lil babe..
attila that corn meal will fatten up anything you got .. cook it up and drop in some fat from any of your sources .. the babes will eat it up and have energy to spare .. lots of water in it some fat to boost it staying power and as usuall a little bit at a time till they digest it as well as hogs do.. add some eggs and green beans you got all protien. . corn and green beans make protein like rice and beans is protien .. my dogs are pigs eat anything and everything .. oh well looking for batteries to get some pics of them on for people to see ,, now i really wish my perfect ones hadnt got stolen ,, dang they were the tops

[newbieturtlepits]

forgot to tell ya.. sometimes people get in a spot .. and you need something.. log on to yahoo groups and check out the recycling groups... we have a big one here called freecycle and everything must be free .. you would believe what you can aquire everything from those pond forms with fish in it to cars and even food ... well , goodness knows i have enough to get rid of there and i have recieved plants for my bare yard to rebloom as well.. try it if you like i like to pass around a good thing.. many times there will be a dog there in need of a home perhaps if you have it in your area you can save a life from the local pound and them cages.. ack.. i hate that.. they get so solemn.. if any fool believes they are just animals just look at the depressed hopeless faces of the dogs that have been there the longest.. its heartbreaking... the new ones think their family is coming and greet everyone with a wag .. until they realize , mom and dad arent coming .. and its time to die.. thanks for the rescue on this one much applause to you..

[B]

Don't feed the dog corn. Dogs can't process anything nutritional off of corn. It is simply a filler.

Regards,

B

[laurajean]

Oh that poor dog! And thanks Attila for asking after the people too. I am hoping out here in California that they all (people and dog) make it through OK Today I took Blue to Obedience school and some poor homeless man was asleep in the park near the class. He was so skinny and waxen looking. After the class I went back to make sure he had waked up and he was so I gave him some money for food. It wasn't enough...really. I felt like putting him in my truck and taking him to the hospital. Why are people going hungry in our country? What is wrong? sorry to get off topic. Hope the dog makes it...at least he is on his feet, poor little guy. I hope the people make it too. Even though I am pissed that they let the dog get so thin and starved. some people...I dunno...

[ghost 1]

i really appreciate the help and suggestions and will try them,,,this poor dog needs all the help it can get,,,,thank you all,,, for the help

[purplepig]

Don't feed the dog corn. Dogs can't process anything nutritional off of corn. It is simply a filler.

Regards,

B
I was wondering why he was suggesting the use of corn also!!

[newbieturtlepits]

I was wondering why he was suggesting the use of corn also!!hmmmmm ... i prefer the brown whole rice , to corn but when the corn is not in whole form , they do process it... hush puppies were given to beagles prior hunt let them hunt longer stronger from the carbs... i dont believe you use a little meat and corn to fill your dog... mostly meat , and little else as filler, just for the fiber.. like it or not if you let a carnivore out there and follow them around they will eat fiber.. soemthing gotta clean their innards .. when they kill fowl alot of fiber is eaten whether it be bones or the feather pieces that manage to get in the bite they are feeding.. and wheat is suspect in many allergy prone dogs and people .. soy isnt good for dogs period or cats it interferes with them getting nutrients from what they did eat...as with anyone anypet any living thing balance.. when i was growing up my sheppard was first on canned alpo then my mom decided i had to go to butchers everyday n buy the dog hambergur fresh ground .. and she put rice in with that..dog lived to be over 20 .. for a sheppard thats good.. guess it worked

[Suki]

Yep, Satin Balls are great to add weight to a healthy dog, but they are a bit too rich for a starved dog. You need to feed them slowly with bland foods until they have recovered some. It's much better to get them healthy and then gradually feed richer foods to add the weight.I was thinking this as well. I would recommend starting off bland and then gradually add "richer" foods. As mentioned small, frequent meals. Good luck!


...just an after thought, but do you know if the dog has been tested recently for internal parasites, (which could possibly be adding to his lack of weight)?
something to consider...
also, try to make sure he eats slowly, and doesn't "inhale" his food. Again, BEST of luck ya'll!

[ghost 1]

i don't think he'll die now,,,but at first he was having trouble just standing

[Suki]

i don't think he'll die now,,,but at first he was having trouble just standing


a human savior!!! WELL deserved points!:)
God bless...

[laurajean]

Oh it is good to hear good news about the dog. So he seems to be doing a little better then? Just give him lots of small meals. Are you going to name him? When he has a little more meat on him, I hope you will give us more pics. By the way was that one of your children hugging him. I am sure that love is good therapy also..poor little guy. Anyway I meant to say...good looking kid!

[ghost 1]

Oh it is good to hear good news about the dog. So he seems to be doing a little better then? Just give him lots of small meals. Are you going to name him? When he has a little more meat on him, I hope you will give us more pics. By the way was that one of your children hugging him. I am sure that love is good therapy also..poor little guy. Anyway I meant to say...good looking kid!
thats my youngest ,,, they love all my dogs,,, they named him taz,,,,,, enve though they could help with feeding everyday,,,but i was real optimistic that he wouldn't make it,, but he's showing me different everyday he acts stronger and stronger,,,,with alittle hope and prayers he might pull threw

[laurajean]

Well Taz is definitely getting prayers and good thoughts from lots of folks here. Just having your kids love him probably helps too.

[REACTiON]

post some pictures of his improvements...

[ghost 1]

i will gotta get some batterys for my digital camera,,,will later today

[Hoyden]

When I worked for the vet in Italy, we used to end up with starved dogs quite frequently. We actually pulled 20 off a small island that was just a fishing village.

Her method of putting on weight was to guestimate what their weight SHOULD be. Then she would calculate what their daily food amount should be.

First 3 days we fed them 1/2 of that amount in 4 - 6 small meals.
Day 4 - 6, they got 3/4 of that amount in 4 - 6 small meals.
Day 7 - 10 the full amount in 4 - 6 small meals.

For the first 5 days they were fed boiled white rice with cooked chicken. The second 10 days they received boiled white AND brown rice with cooked ground buffalo (use hamburger). Don't rise the rice. The white rice contains tanins that settle the stomache and help with any irritation from re-introducing food.

Day 11 - 15, she would feed them the full amount plus 1/4 to 1/2 more in 3 - 4 small meals.
Day 16 - 30, she would cut them down to 3, then 2 meals per day and start gradually adding in dog food until they were no longer eating rice and beef.

When they were close to what their weight should be, she would start cutting them back to what their dialy portion should be.

She did not vaccinate them for anything but rabies the first week and the dogs were keep in a seperate barn/kennel in quarantine.

Second week she wormed and vaccinated them.

[Esse818]

Dont just start feeding him $hitloads. Maybe some IV's and a lot of small meals at first. I've never had a dog that bad, but I know not to let him pig out at first cause it could kill them. i herd that pit bulls are known to die of eating to much

[Esse818]

i will gotta get some batterys for my digital camera,,,will later today Good luck, hopefully he'll get better. Poor dog, what the government should do is give tickets or jail the original owners who left the poor criter to die for.