Dog Aggression

[SAM_I_AM]

Ok, I just finished watching a clip from "off the chain" and the guy they were interviewing said that "its the hatred of the breed that makes them fight."

Here is my question: In your opinion is it the hatred for one another, or is it the quest to be the best that makes them want to keep going?

IMO i dont think that its hatred i dont think that they are capable of hate.

whats your opinion?

[WWII]

Simple answer: It's what they do. It just "is".;)

[Luke.UK]

I dont think its hate also yet i dont think its `the best` as this would be pride and dogs dont have these emotions(sp?)

it could just be nature kicking in.

[420puffer]

Its natural for them to be dog aggressive like how it is natural for people to be greedy

[Attila]

Simple answer: It's what they do. It just "is".;)
I agree it is what they were bred to do.

[The Watcher]

a wagging tail is not hatred. its simply the love to please.
that "off the chain" video is not the best place to take notes from.

[Bullyboi]

Its natural for a bulldog to be DA. It has been bred into them over hundreds of years and i dont think its hate it just genetics kicking in.

[miakoda]

Just as a Thoroughbred has been bred for thousands of years to run, so has the APBT been bred to fight. It's not anything "mean" or "vicious" about them, it's just the job they were bred to do. Only your typical street thugs & gangsta wanna-bes & street fighters force or try to make a dog fight. The majority of these dogs did their job b/c they wanted to, not because they had to. As hard as this idea is to grasp for some, it's just the way it was & peopel need to accept that fact.

[14rock]

Ok, I just finished watching a clip from "off the chain" and the guy they were interviewing said that "its the hatred of the breed that makes them fight."

That movie is a joke, if you want to learn what thugs will say for the camera when given enough $$ continue watching it, but for education-nada!

Here is my question: In your opinion is it the hatred for one another, or is it the quest to be the best that makes them want to keep going?

Neither, its a game. Gamedogs are at play, until the stakes of the game are too much for the experienced pleasure and they pack it in. What do I mean? Think of it as a kid on a bike...fun, fun, fun-until he wipes out for the first time. A little scuff, bloody knees,elbows, etc....stings a bit, but he'll hop right back on the bike in a few days and be back at it. The pleasure outweighs the pain at that moment. The next week he takes a bad spill, breaks a leg, both his wrists, and fractures his skull, etc. Its not so much fun now is it? And if he doesnt truely love riding his bike with all his heart, he will shy away from it. Only a few of those kids are going to enjoy the freedom doing their thing enough to hop back on the bike and continue risking injury. The rest dont enjoy it enough, and will ultimately quit. I used riding a bike as a comparison, because its somehting everything is probably familiar with. Use whatever you would like in place of the bike-drag racing crashes, motocross, skateboarding, snowboarding,etc etc. The fact is anything enjoyable involves risk of injury. If you didnt want to ever get injured, sit on your couch for the rest of your life. Of course, no one will do that...but we expect it of our dogs? Have you ever sat down and thought, "maybe my animal would be much happier if he had something he really loved to dedicate his life to"-as opposed to sitting on the couch wasting away. If you've never seen the dogs do their business, and only believe what the humaniacs have told you-you wouldnt understand. It really is a game for them. If you ever see a yard accident with two gamedogs, sit back and admire your dogs having their fun for a moment, and notice what they are doing. Tails wagging 100 mph, big ole grins on their faces. A bulldog in the box, or your youngest child on a bike for his/her first time...its all the same if you really think about it, without the preconceived notions pumped down throats by humaniacs telling us its cruel. You might not have the heart for it, to which I'd have to say you have no business owning dogs with this much heart-its a waste!

whats your opinion?Thats my opinion, throw "off-the-chain" away and stop giving money to people out to destroy our breed. If you really wish to learn a thing or two, your taking 10 steps back by watching that movie. Find a mentor in your area and ask how its really done.

[catcher T]

it has nothing to do with hatred,,certain dogs were bred for certain things and this stays with them.

[Evil_Elvis]

its what they do.. domination also plays a roll .. a good dog has the need to dominate the other dog ( both males and females who mark territory .. that is a sign of domination among other things..)

other reasons a dog would fight is a fear based aggression in which the dog is basically forced to fight ( a cornered dog with no way out)

Dogs nurture their young, show loyalty, show anger, show when they are happy... and happiness imo constitutes love ....

[Riptora]

I think it is a natural drive that comes from the breeding that is then fed and shaped into what it becomes. Handeling has a lot to do with the performance of any animal. Even horses, the jockey is key. You take your lemons and make lemonaide.

[Suki]

I would term it as an innate desire. Something they're born with. It's nothing you need to train them to do. Agreed, it just "is".

Hatred is a humans' personification of what they think the dog has.
Dogs have instincts.
Humans are the ones with hatred.

[runt]

I agree 100%I would term it as an innate desire. Something they're born with. It's nothing you need to train them to do. Agreed, it just "is".

Hatred is a humans' personification of what they think the dog has.
Dogs have instincts.
Humans are the ones with hatred.

[SApits]

You put that very well 14Rock. and it's not hatred for dogs, pits have been bred to be animal aggressive, fear absolutely nothing and be people friendly for hundreds of years. My dogs will go after any animal from birds to horses, and yes i had one chase 4 horses through a fence one time but they had got out so it wasn't his fault. So u see it's not they just don't like dogs either. And there is still a few of us that will continue to breed for the exact same qualities. Unfortunately we are getting more and more people who don't breed for the same traits and it's ruining our great breed of dogs. Just my $.02.

[monsterVili]

really i think 14rock hit it on the head, but some dogs do neeed to be coached into it

[Attila]

Ya I did motorcross, down hill skiing, ah hell if I could break something or had a real good chance of getting seriously hurt or killed but had the same chance of seeing someone else do it too I was game for it. But I was dropped as a baby and I was dribbled down the hallway before they gave me any tit so I am half wolf and half nuts. 100% socialpathic psycopath. Oh ya and the shrink at the VA says psycotic. Just because I hung him out the window just to watch him scream like a girl till he pee'd on himself. Was it the action or the laughing that made him call me such a bad name? hmm

oh yah. My dogs don't need to be coached into doing any thing if it is furry kill it. Simple thing. I didn't have to tell them to do it. Maybe the voices made them do it.

[chrisgr212]

Simple answer: It's what they do. It just "is".;)
i think i have to agree with WWII

[SAM_I_AM]

Thats my opinion, throw "off-the-chain" away and stop giving money to people out to destroy our breed. If you really wish to learn a thing or two, your taking 10 steps back by watching that movie. Find a mentor in your area and ask how its really done.
Rock,
Thank you for your responce. Actually I never paid for the video i watched it online (free). I do not agree with the movie at all. I feel your answer was the one that i was looking for, the same as i thought. I in no way support that movie, and knew all and well that he was wong in saying that it was the hatred for one another. I just wanted to get everones views on DA and i have gotten them. Thanks

[FearlessKnight]

a wagging tail is not hatred. its simply the love to please.
that "off the chain" video is not the best place to take notes from.
Couln't agree more on that one! And like WWII said, "it just is"

[misterdogman]

It is not hate...It is certainly mostly deep "Contempt" for another dog, as if your dog were saying, im here with my handler im not quitting, and I will show you no respect even if you decide to quit...you know....not that it hates the opponent but it will finish them....APBTs operate off intense drive to please the man and years of breeding and inbreeding all these wonderful traits into their DNA...those traits we love and protect today...so id say its not hate but I have seen dogs that do seem to look as if they hate other dogs.... but its just the instinctual need to dominate that you see not hate....

[misterdogman]

Ya I did motorcross, down hill skiing, ah hell if I could break something or had a real good chance of getting seriously hurt or killed but had the same chance of seeing someone else do it too I was game for it. But I was dropped as a baby and I was dribbled down the hallway before they gave me any tit so I am half wolf and half nuts. 100% socialpathic psycopath. Oh ya and the shrink at the VA says psycotic. Just because I hung him out the window just to watch him scream like a girl till he pee'd on himself. Was it the action or the laughing that made him call me such a bad name? hmm

oh yah. My dogs don't need to be coached into doing any thing if it is furry kill it. Simple thing. I didn't have to tell them to do it. Maybe the voices made them do it.Or maybe the voices you hear are your dogs telling you what to do...do you ever hear them say stuff like "hey old man pass that here and go make me some Blueberry pancakes"... they might have learned that from Roadtrip...sometimes my dog tells me to drink beer and burn stuff....well thats my excuse anyway lol...but I never let my dogs watch Roadtrip because I didnt want them to become stoners....

[purplepig]

Well, I'd have to call it "Alpha Dog Syndrome", I know that all of the speak of man being tha Alpha and all, and a man should rule over the dogs, but I believe that the dogs see man differently than themselves. I believe they were created that way. I think they want to simply be the Alpha dog among canines, period.

That is why most will not jump a chiuahua, or a puppy, but get another grown dog around, after that dog has turned on, and they want each other, as they see the other dog as a threat to their throne.

J

[newbieturtlepits]

ok yall have won blue ribbon for nuts.... bonafied crazy ..... my dogs did it cause i wanted them to. at the time... not since tho ,, i was cruel and insensitive when i was young. they never lost.. i started by training fighting roosters . now ofcourse , im slack treehugging vegetarian.. oh well, its a slow long death right as for my fighters they done it cuz i asked them to .. but they didnt give up till other dog was dead.. didnt take long at their jaws.. wont ever fight anything again.. the Great Spirit has spoken to my heart and sport for some is death in mine... my dogs do kill things in the yard when they can catch it.. every thing from giant birds to mice and moles and all things inbetween.. so when breeding season is on in the heat of summer.. the ladies are indoors till the youngin of what ever is back there moves on.. gonna lay in a privacy fence may keep some of the stray wild life away .. now them giant birds .. dont know why they dont just not nest there.. oh well off to da local meetin place i need a break!! later yall

[Road Dog]

I think 14Rock is right on. Find a good game dog man that is willing to share their years of experience. Dog aggression is not limited to the APBT but gameness is.

[Aceman]

its what they do.. domination also plays a roll .. a good dog has the need to dominate the other dog ( both males and females who mark territory .. that is a sign of domination among other things..)

other reasons a dog would fight is a fear based aggression in which the dog is basically forced to fight ( a cornered dog with no way out)

Dogs nurture their young, show loyalty, show anger, show when they are happy... and happiness imo constitutes love ....
My boy in about 7.5 months and has shown some DG for the first time while walking him last week. A roming dog aproached us on our walk with hackles up growling, before I had time to react my boy gave him a quick nip, didn,t hold him just a nip, he let a yelp out and ran off like a frikkin jet, now he has been aroung dogs and walked by many on walks since and is fine. I,m taking it he felt threatened and reacted.

[purplepig]

My boy in about 7.5 months and has shown some DG for the first time while walking him last week. A roming dog aproached us on our walk with hackles up growling, before I had time to react my boy gave him a quick nip, didn,t hold him just a nip, he let a yelp out and ran off like a frikkin jet, now he has been aroung dogs and walked by many on walks since and is fine. I,m taking it he felt threatened and reacted.
I gotta 10 week old female and a 3 month old male and had to seperate them as they were actually hurting each other. The older male was getting her head pretty good, but she was in the chest and things went red pretty quick, tripped me out. They are seperated now. That male pup just aggrivates every one of the other dogs, so he is on the chain. The female plays with the other young ones, but that male, she wanted to kill him!!

J

[realonebulldog]

Ok, I just finished watching a clip from "off the chain" and the guy they were interviewing said that "its the hatred of the breed that makes them fight."

Here is my question: In your opinion is it the hatred for one another, or is it the quest to be the best that makes them want to keep going?

IMO i dont think that its hatred i dont think that they are capable of hate.

whats your opinion?The hate idea is stupid.Animals cant be good and they cant be evil. They do what Nature told them.If you ask why they(Bulldogs) fight ask your self for example why wolves fight.And you have to know H O W wolves fight. In a serious fight wolves fight in silence....no bristled hair on their back....to make it short they fight exactly like Bulldogs in the Pit. Bulldogs are able to fight longer,because they have a higher concentrationability (the reason:selective breeding for the fight).Beside physical characteristics thats the thing what separates Bulldogs from wolves and all other kind of dogs.

[purplepig]

The hate idea is stupid.Animals cant be good and they cant be evil. They do what Nature told them.If you ask why they(Bulldogs) fight ask your self for example why wolves fight.And you have to know H O W wolves fight. In a serious fight wolves fight in silence....no bristled hair on their back....to make it short they fight exactly like Bulldogs in the Pit. Bulldogs are able to fight longer,because they have a higher concentrationability (the reason:selective breeding for the fight).Beside physical characteristics thats the thing what separates Bulldogs from wolves and all other kind of dogs.
Well, I have had some dogs at my place that for one reason or another, began to have a genuine HATE for a certain other dog. I mean hate. So, to say that one is impossible of hating would sound to me like a textbook statement, instead of observatory statement. I am not talking about the normal drive of a gamedog to be aggressive towards dogs, but when some other dog has cotton upon their last nerve! Same thing with a child. A child goes over to the dog on a chain and pokes sticks at it and tortures the dog all it's life, and you wonder why the dog loves all children but old "Billy" from down the road, Spike just cant stand that kid for some reason. Acts like he wants to kill him. You say, the dog is just defending itself, well, why do you hate some situations in your life, because it is a threat or something that blocks what you are trying to do.
Do not get me wrong, dogs are dogs, and not humans, but to say they cannot hate, I dont buy that one. I had a bulldog that became one of the best squirel dogs I ever had. She became that way because she was on a chain and the squirels would throw nuts and hit her in the head. Then they'd get just out of reach and just hang out while she went nutz. One day I put a longer chain on her and one of the squirels came down and it got a suprise that day. From then on, I could say, "Rebel get the squirel" and she'd began scanning the trees, and that squirel had better not be on the ground or it just might not get shot, but shook to death. Saved allot of .22 bullets that way.
J

[Riptora]

THREAT! Dog's don't hate. That's a word we might conjure up to try and explain something we don't understand. Dog's just think, "threat!" then they react. That does not necissarily mean dominance by any means. A good doberman will take out a threat by a human without hesitation and a good APBT will take out the threat of another animal without hesitation. - that's my theorie...

[realonebulldog]

Well, I have had some dogs at my place that for one reason or another, began to have a genuine HATE for a certain other dog. I mean hate. So, to say that one is impossible of hating would sound to me like a textbook statement, instead of observatory statement. I am not talking about the normal drive of a gamedog to be aggressive towards dogs, but when some other dog has cotton upon their last nerve! Same thing with a child. A child goes over to the dog on a chain and pokes sticks at it and tortures the dog all it's life, and you wonder why the dog loves all children but old "Billy" from down the road, Spike just cant stand that kid for some reason. Acts like he wants to kill him. You say, the dog is just defending itself, well, why do you hate some situations in your life, because it is a threat or something that blocks what you are trying to do.
Do not get me wrong, dogs are dogs, and not humans, but to say they cannot hate, I dont buy that one. I had a bulldog that became one of the best squirel dogs I ever had. She became that way because she was on a chain and the squirels would throw nuts and hit her in the head. Then they'd get just out of reach and just hang out while she went nutz. One day I put a longer chain on her and one of the squirels came down and it got a suprise that day. From then on, I could say, "Rebel get the squirel" and she'd began scanning the trees, and that squirel had better not be on the ground or it just might not get shot, but shook to death. Saved allot of .22 bullets that way.
JIts easy.To hate you need a very complex brain....you need a human brain.Even an ape brain wouldnt be enough for that becose the very next step would be to think evil.Dogs are lightyears away from that.What you see is not hate , it is only the natural will for a serious fight.Dogs kill each other but they dont hate each other.

[WWII]

My boy in about 7.5 months and has shown some DG for the first time while walking him last week. A roming dog aproached us on our walk with hackles up growling, before I had time to react my boy gave him a quick nip, didn,t hold him just a nip, he let a yelp out and ran off like a frikkin jet, now he has been aroung dogs and walked by many on walks since and is fine. I,m taking it he felt threatened and reacted.
I hope you're not talking about deep gameness.

[PIt4life]

Its just what they do, they were bred for it... and it stayed there.
Other breeds can be aggerssive towards dogs because they werent brought up right.
And many dogs, such as mine, can get as much interaction as a pup but grow up to be a DA adult.

[newbieturtlepits]

agression is bred into these dogs sure but to go as far as to say dogs dont feel some emotion ... well, that i cant accept.. when a child is crying the the dog knows instinctively they are hurting and crawl up to them and lick their face and keep this up till finally cuddle up to the child to bring comfort till the moment is past... no emotion .. sorry cant believe it.. had a rottie that only liked women no men at all .. she hated all men period .. was not treated bad at all by any male but she hated men anyway... lucky to have found her and her sister a home with a pair of sisters from new jersey.. i do alot of rescue and , well still convinced they have emotion

[Aurora]

Ok, I just finished watching a clip from "off the chain" and the guy they were interviewing said that "its the hatred of the breed that makes them fight."

Here is my question: In your opinion is it the hatred for one another, or is it the quest to be the best that makes them want to keep going?

IMO i dont think that its hatred i dont think that they are capable of hate.

whats your opinion?
One word answer , DOMINANCE . It's like in the old movie The Highlander , there can be only one . That's the single biggest reason dogs do what they do .