Viper Kennels Inc.

[Attila]

It has been brought to my attention that some one in Virginia is operating using my Kennel name of Viper Kennels. I am not really sure what I should do about it. But here is how it is. My Kennel was established in 1976 as Viper Kennels. I incorporated a few years back. I don't know who this young man is but he has a web site. At the moment I am highly pissed off. Highly, extremely pissed off. My kennel is even Registered and copywrited. WTF. I am madder than a bucket full of red wasps. I have a notion to drive to Virginia and peel the flesh from this kids body. Low down rat. Trying to ride on my name. Who do we have in Virginia. Who has a stable mind enough to let this kid know before I call a lawyer.

[Riptora]

Why don't you cool down and take a breather. Contact him through his site first? Viper is a common, cool name, maybe he has no clue you exist. It could be a completely, honest mistake. Let him know he has your name, that you are copyrighted, registered, blah, blah, nice a calm like and if that doesn't work ( it should ) then do your lawyer thing.

[Attila]

Oh ok. I will try but I am boiling mad. Right on the brink of insane mad. I just whants to pokeses hises eyeses out. The bad thing about it is I went to his site and he is a cocky sort. The kind that make me want to shred in a trash compacter. Ahhhrrr. I hate cocky little punks.

[bahamutt99]

Okay, scary. Maybe I should do a search for Gravity kennels and make sure there isn't one already in existence before I get too comfortable using it. (hides.)

[Attila]

Yes at least register your kennel. But that doesn't assure some one wont infringe on you obviously.

[bahamutt99]

I guess I would do that through the ADBA? (And they'll probably want money, too.) I'm wondering if it would be worth it since right now there are no breeding plans or anything of the sort. Something to think about though, I guess. I'd really be curious if the UKC has a similar breeder reg program.

[Attila]

Yes they all are about the same some less some more. I would suggest it.

[CB]

Chill out man. Im sure there are ALOT more kennels that has the name Viper Kennel. Its not like they ment to do that im sure.

[NORTH]

Whatch out man viper kennels is a well respected gamedog kennel. I would be carefull about what u say, no offence u may hve had the name sence 1976 but peeps know who he is . And he is putting out good stuff.

[NORTH]

sorry for the douple post.

[CB]

Whatch out man viper kennels is a well respected gamedog kennel. I would be carefull about what u say, no offence u may hve had the name sence 1976 but peeps know who he is . And he is putting out good stuff.Yeah if its the same kennel im thinking of there pretty respected with some good dogs. So i wouldnt go starting some shit with them lol. Just an opinion.

[Attila]

Whatch out man viper kennels is a well respected gamedog kennel. I would be carefull about what u say, no offence u may hve had the name sence 1976 but peeps know who he is . And he is putting out good stuff.
People know who I am also. However I have been putting out great stuff from before his birth. Some may know him but I don't want his dogs being confused with mine or him tarnishing my name if he slips up with something legally. I want people to know the difference between what he has an me. Do you know the difference? Well respected. No shit it is a respected name. I made it that way. I have dogs all over the world. This isn't making me calmer. And what the hell does peeps mean?

[NORTH]

People know who I am also. However I have been putting out great stuff from before his birth. Some may know him but I don't want his dogs being confused with mine or him tarnishing my name if he slips up with something legally. I want people to know the difference between what he has an me. Do you know the difference? Well respected. No shit it is a respected name. I made it that way. I have dogs all over the world. This isn't making me calmer. And what the hell does peeps mean?
No offense but name some dogs you have produced so we know the diff, again know offence.

[Attila]

Yeah if its the same kennel im thinking of there pretty respected with some good dogs. So i wouldnt go starting some shit with them lol. Just an opinion.
CB,

Now which kennel do you know? I am not worried about shit. I want people to know that he is not me and not in any way part of my kennel. Not now not ever. He isn't old enough to have broken my ground. I hear your oppinion. I take note of it. I emailed him he can reply. Depending on how he wants to handle the situation is how I well respond to him about it. I wouldn't give it a second thought if it were not the same breed. I would hope you understand that fact. There will have to be a distinction between his kennel and mine even if we have to add of VA or AR I don't care. Up untill this point I had wondered why some one asked me a year ago about a dog of mine I never heard of. Mine is Incorporated and has several smaller kennels under it. I would be glad to work out a distinction of names. We can't both be registering as Viper's dog this or that. Or having the same kennel name. He can be Viper Kennels of VA for all I care. However I wan't people to know I am not he and he is not me. Maybe I sould be flattered and not angry. It is a matter of principle. Do you own a Kennel? Tell me CB how would you look at it and handle it? And be honest.

[CB]

CB,

Now which kennel do you know? I am not worried about shit. I want people to know that he is not me and not in any way part of my kennel. Not now not ever. He isn't old enough to have broken my ground. I hear your oppinion. I take note of it. I emailed him he can reply. Depending on how he wants to handle the situation is how I well respond to him about it. I wouldn't give it a second thought if it were not the same breed. I would hope you understand that fact. There will have to be a distinction between his kennel and mine even if we have to add of VA or AR I don't care. Up untill this point I had wondered why some one asked me a year ago about a dog of mine I never heard of. Mine is Incorporated and has several smaller kennels under it. I would be glad to work out a distinction of names. We can't both be registering as Viper's dog this or that. Or having the same kennel name. He can be Viper Kennels of VA for all I care. However I wan't people to know I am not he and he is not me. Maybe I sould be flattered and not angry. It is a matter of principle. Do you own a Kennel? Tell me CB how would you look at it and handle it? And be honest.If i were in your shoe's i would change the name of my kennel if it bothered me that much. "Viper" kennel is such a easy name to pick out for a kennel. I would go for a name that would be harder for someone else to take. But you had the name for over 20 years so i would just ask the guy if he would kindly change his name which i really doubt he would but if he didnt i would just change my name. I dont own a kennel and dont plan on owning one until i am satisfied with the dogs i have on my yard. I would take it down a notch man i dont think this guy/kid went and took to the name to piss you off like i said its such a easy name to copy. Hope you and him work it out but dont loose sleep over this lol.

[NORTH]

If i were in your shoe's i would change the name of my kennel if it bothered me that much. "Viper" kennel is such a easy name to pick out for a kennel. I would go for a name that would be harder for someone else to take. But you had the name for over 20 years so i would just ask the guy if he would kindly change his name which i really doubt he would but if he didnt i would just change my name. I dont own a kennel and dont plan on owning one until i am satisfied with the dogs i have on my yard. I would take it down a notch man i dont think this guy/kid went and took to the name to piss you off like i said its such a easy name to copy. Hope you and him work it out but dont loose sleep over this lol.
http://www.viperkennels.com/index.htm

[Attila]

No offense but name some dogs you have produced so we know the diff, again know offence.
No offence taken. Where up north are you? I started out in Northern Michigan. I have books of dogs produced catigorized by years in boxes. Now over the years I have used both my last name and my kennel name. Some of the dogs are of the other kennels I own. Remember I don't have just one breed going. However I only have two breeds in my kennel here in Arkansas Two other breeds in Michigan and one in Hungary. If you wish to see my dogs here look in my gallery. If you want to know my dogs history and lines produced Contact DPBBA and RT may just send you a copy of a long list of names. I doubt that the other Kennel clubs will be so kind as he. They are a pain enough for me to deal with. There is a diffinant difference in his and my dogs his are all buckskin and mine are not buckskin not a single one. Blacks, Brindles, and Reds yes no Buckskins. I suppose that will line out some of the confussion. Of what is from my kennel and his.
Vipper Kennels Inc.
Gretchen Dob June 04 Ch
Nightshade Dob June 04 littermate to Ch Gretchen
Ebony GrCh APBT
Buddy GrCh APBT
Kutya EurGrCh APBT
Baloo Eur2XCh Bull Mastiff
Fekete Eur 3XCh Bull Mastiff
Neni Eur Ch Plott Hound
I have a long list of Plotts, Black and Tans and Beagles but you can get the gist. Not all my dogs here now have shown or won as they are young. We shall see what my next generation brings. I did what I could where I was stationed at the time. I retired this year so I am back at it. I have droped some clubs and gained some. I am back up to 14 dogs. I don't know if I will go larger yet or not. I have nothing but time now.
Eur is Europe There is a long span where I didn't do squat with my dogs as I was away in combat very often. I hired help but not any handlers to show or otherwise compete my dogs.

[Attila]

http://www.viperkennels.com/index.htm
Yup seen his site It is actually quite nice.

I am calmer now. I think you are right CB I am not going to change my name. I will try to let it not bother me. I will leave it as Inc. And that can be the difference. It wont cause a problem I suppose as long as his Kennel name is on his papers and mine on mine. If we are both registering dogs as Viper's Sadie or what ever that could get confusing. Changing a name isn't as easy as just writing another name down though. I have a DBA and a tax code number for mine. And is also registered with the states that I own kennels in. Too much hassle for me.

[Okye]

Who do we have in Virginia. Who has a stable mind enough to let this kid know before I call a lawyer.
I live in VA and I know of a viper kennel but they are not the same. The one I know has fastlane dogs.

[Attila]

I live in VA and I know of a viper kennel but they are not the same. The one I know has fastlane dogs.
Okye,

Thanks. I reckon CB is correct there may be many using the name. I suppose it goes to who established first. I give the boy credit he has what looks to be some fine dogs. That may or may not equile mine. I see his are from champions but I couldn't tell if he had any champions on his yard. I only at this point want a distinction between the young feller and me. I don't care if he puts Viginia Viper kennels or viper kennels of VA that way we have no confussion to our clients. It would save us both some time with answering questions out of left field. I have got asked not long ago about a dog and untill I saw his site yesturday I didn't have a friggen clue where the person got the idea I had a dog by that name or color. Could have been a potential client for him. I didn't have that dog so I couldn't give him any info on it that may have been money lost for the young feller. I don't know. I don't deal with out siders and my clientell is closed net. and close friends. However researching dogs at some point is going to get hard to figure out which is his and which is mine at some point. If we ever pick the same name out of the hat there could be two Viper's Mable or what ever. I am willing to work with the feller to come to a solution. I can't see me changing a name my grandfather started before I took it over in 1976 I know he started his in the late 40's. Same name. I inherited it from him and the dogs of my other grandfathers kennel when he died he had C.N. Davis Kennels wich is incorporated under mine. they are both mine but The davis one is up in Michigan and my best friend and a cousin of mine run it for me. Hound dogs.

I don't know the feller in va with the kennel It wasn't long ago that I incorporated the seperat kennels under one name to save me time with the tax lady. Not that I don't mind being with her.lol. She is pretty. When it is all said and done the kennel has been in operation for over 60 years and the Davis one for 76 years. I basically keep them rolling as tribute to both my grandpa's And me. And if I ever have kids which isn't very likely as I got screwed out of that by a cheating wife. I recon I will pass it on to a kid or one of my families kids. I would have to split them back apart to give them to the proper sides of the families. I am not changing my name. I may add that I am Arkansas Viper Kennels Inc. Next tax season if he will go with Virginia Viper Kennels. Or some other distinction.

[purplepig]

Hey Attila,

As to the name. I have our ministry incorperated. In going through the naming of the incorperation, there was the option of incorperating it at a state level, fed level and an international level. We incorperated and filed at a state level, as the fed and int. were significantly more money, and through looking over the laws, we found that if we have significant proof(which you do) that we have been going by this name before someone else has, and a dispute arrises, we retain the name and the other person would have to change. I dont agree with the changing of your name, as you clearly have allot of time and money invested in just the name. Hopefully this person will be greatful that you are not filing to get paid from him using your kennel name, and will relinquish. If he has any financial means he may contact a lawyer and see what his rights are. In the end, if you have sold dogs under this name out of Arkansas, then he cannot win, and if he doesn't change, well, you will be getting paid. Kinda like a royalty check off a song that you wrote in 1976!! I know that doesnt help with folks getting your kennel name and his mixed, but that seems to be the theme in US, get money to cure your wounds!!
J
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[Attila]

Hey Attila,

As to the name. I have our ministry incorperated. In going through the naming of the incorperation, there was the option of incorperating it at a state level, fed level and an international level. We incorperated and filed at a state level, as the fed and int. were significantly more money, and through looking over the laws, we found that if we have significant proof(which you do) that we have been going by this name before someone else has, and a dispute arrises, we retain the name and the other person would have to change. I dont agree with the changing of your name, as you clearly have allot of time and money invested in just the name. Hopefully this person will be greatful that you are not filing to get paid from him using your kennel name, and will relinquish. If he has any financial means he may contact a lawyer and see what his rights are. In the end, if you have sold dogs under this name out of Arkansas, then he cannot win, and if he doesn't change, well, you will be getting paid. Kinda like a royalty check off a song that you wrote in 1976!! I know that doesnt help with folks getting your kennel name and his mixed, but that seems to be the theme in US, get money to cure your wounds!!
J
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J, I know but I really don't want to sue the young fellow. I know I can and I did the federal level and should have done international as I do deal overseas too. He seems young and has a wife and it didn't appear that they where as financually set as me. I don't want to break him. He could contack a lawer and that lawer could talk to mine. I have one on perminant retentions. I don't want his money. Just what to make a distinction between my kennel and his. If he is reasonable I will not get a lawyer involved. But if forced to I will. I have sold dogs under this name out of five states and three European countries as well. Thanks for the advice

[TabDogs]

Yeah if its the same kennel im thinking of there pretty respected with some good dogs. So i wouldnt go starting some shit with them lol. Just an opinion.
I WOULDNT SAY ALL THAT CB!!! NOT IN MY OPIONION!!!!!

[Riptora]

J, I know but I really don't want to sue the young fellow. I know I can and I did the federal level and should have done international as I do deal overseas too. He seems young and has a wife and it didn't appear that they where as financually set as me. I don't want to break him. He could contack a lawer and that lawer could talk to mine. I have one on perminant retentions. I don't want his money. Just what to make a distinction between my kennel and his. If he is reasonable I will not get a lawyer involved. But if forced to I will. I have sold dogs under this name out of five states and three European countries as well. Thanks for the advice
Aww, isn't this a much more reasonible approach than poking his eyes out? I wouldn't change the name either. It is a family name and you've been in the dogs a long time. I don't foresee that you will have to do any changing. He would have to be an incredible moron not to respect your wishes... then, he might need an eye poking! I have seen his site before, I like his gallery.

[PIT_DOMINATION]

im in va. just let me know

[maryellen1]

ask the other person to please change their kennel name. since you have had your kennel longer and is more established, they should be nice and change their kennel name.

[TEXAS PIT DOGS]

what i would do,is just ask him to change the name.it is common courtsiey and common sense that if you have the name of viper kennels than this boy does then he has to give it up,and yours is legit so he has to.if he doesnt you can sue him not for money but to change the name of the kennel,wich is exactly what i would do if i was in your shoes and he refused to change the name on his own.i know you have all the proper documents proving that this is yours and it is registered and incorparated and copyrighted,so you have the right to keep your kennel name,just as remington or smith and wesson has the right to keep their name.so try and see if he is an honest man and will do the right thing,but if he doesnt sue him to change the name,dont cut him any slack just because he is young,he has to learn the rules and abide by them.and if he isnt shown, this is the type boy who when he becomes older thinks nothing can happen to him and does what he wants and puts out poor quality dogs and does nothing as far as a health and temperment guarantee,and then folks will just hear the name viper kennel and say oh i bet thats owned by that guy that ol ted bought the dog off of that was sick and aggressive,lets not even bother looking there.so nip it in the bud attila dont give him a chance to ruin what you have spent almost his entire lifetime to create.

[CB]

I WOULDNT SAY ALL THAT CB!!! NOT IN MY OPIONION!!!!!LoL did i talk to soon. Fill me in on this.

[Attila]

Thanks, Ya'll. I have sent him two messages and have not heard from him as of yet. I suppose he either has not read them or he is trying to figure out how to answer them. I sent him my information and what he needs to see. I will wait for a responce till tonight then in the morning I will proceed with action. One way or another. I have already discussed the matter with my lawyers. We shall see what sort of person he is.

[Attila]

LoL did i talk to soon. Fill me in on this.
Oh no. You see that is just what I didn't want to here. I guess I would like to here this also. As painful as it may be. Fill us in Tab use the big needle so I can have all the pain at one time.

[realonebulldog]

Oh ok. I will try but I am boiling mad. Right on the brink of insane mad. I just whants to pokeses hises eyeses out. The bad thing about it is I went to his site and he is a cocky sort. The kind that make me want to shred in a trash compacter. Ahhhrrr. I hate cocky little punks.Attila I realy thougt to visit you one time......I have a capy with the word VIPER on it...lol...maybe I should better leave it at home or?.....shred in a trash compacter...poke the eyes out....o man have mercy....on this board you are allways my best laugh^^

[Attila]

Attila I realy thougt to visit you one time......I have a capy with the word VIPER on it...lol...maybe I should better leave it at home or?.....shred in a trash compacter...poke the eyes out....o man have mercy....on this board you are allways my best laugh^^
Nah I wouldn't pokes your eyeses out. Your my friend. We go drink beer and party. Glad I make you laugh. some people actually think I am like a mass killer or something and don't know I am just toying with their minds. Although this is a serious matter. At first I was ready to do harm physically but I have calmed down now. Some what any way I still have my hatchet and shot gun in the trunk of my car from last night. I was about to leave when my concious started talking. Damn thing little do gooder. errr

[Riptora]

Have you tried calling? If he doesn't read his e-mails often enough, the phone is a good option. Make sure you send him pics of yourself... like the one in your gallery... might also want to mention your history in the military... I don't think you'de have many problems!

[Attila]

Ok, The young fellow and I talked it out. He is with another kennel club and ADBA. I have one of my other Kennels under ADBA However we do have some dogs under the same first part. We negotiated or I let him keep it the way he has it registered in VA and with BFKC and ADBA as Viper Kennels of Virginia. He stated that he will remain a hobbiest and not try to register as a business and if he does he will change the name. I will Stay the same with the only difference is I am Incorporated and have a DBA and Federal tax code. Our only cross will be in ADBA. So he promised to stay as hobby breeder where he is at and not use the name further. We would both have to sue ADBA I feel that would be a waste of our money and time. I am not exactly sure what to do about that part. I suppose if he stays with his promise to me on our discussion I will leave him be. So long as he doesn't sell dogs as a business. or register in any but the two forstated. That is the basics. He was polite and respectful. I resipicated. and will leave it as is for now. What to do about ADBA now. I really hate court and suing folks. I reckon I will let it rest in the names as is. So the difference will be "of Virginia" and "Incorporated". For now anyway. There you are. Happy do dah rah. I hate being nice I was much better when I was mad. Oh well. He was real appoligetic about it all. I just can't stay mad about that and he promised and I accepted a negotiation. My first civilian negotioation that didn't end in court or with gun shots. How about that eh/

[Riptora]

Yippee! Good job AM! and everyone still has both of their eyes! Even though you don't plan on suing the ADBA, you should mention this to them. They shouldn't have made this mistake and it shouldn't happen again! I'm glad all is well.

[Suki]

....on this board you are allways my best laugh^^

...couldn't agree more!:)

very glad everything worked out, Attila...http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[realonebulldog]

Ok, The young fellow and I talked it out. He is with another kennel club and ADBA. I have one of my other Kennels under ADBA However we do have some dogs under the same first part. We negotiated or I let him keep it the way he has it registered in VA and with BFKC and ADBA as Viper Kennels of Virginia. He stated that he will remain a hobbiest and not try to register as a business and if he does he will change the name. I will Stay the same with the only difference is I am Incorporated and have a DBA and Federal tax code. Our only cross will be in ADBA. So he promised to stay as hobby breeder where he is at and not use the name further. We would both have to sue ADBA I feel that would be a waste of our money and time. I am not exactly sure what to do about that part. I suppose if he stays with his promise to me on our discussion I will leave him be. So long as he doesn't sell dogs as a business. or register in any but the two forstated. That is the basics. He was polite and respectful. I resipicated. and will leave it as is for now. What to do about ADBA now. I really hate court and suing folks. I reckon I will let it rest in the names as is. So the difference will be "of Virginia" and "Incorporated". For now anyway. There you are. Happy do dah rah. I hate being nice I was much better when I was mad. Oh well. He was real appoligetic about it all. I just can't stay mad about that and he promised and I accepted a negotiation. My first civilian negotioation that didn't end in court or with gun shots. How about that eh/Stop......not so fast!You have to choose a male and a female from his next litter....or a litter of your choose....this guy dont breed blue hipos he has some good dogs....or im wrong?

[purplepig]

Even though you don't plan on suing the ADBA, you should mention this to them.
I agree. I would call ADBA and get them to fix this problem. They may cannot do anything about already registered dogs, but could change the name for him in further breedings. When he applied for a kennel name through them, a red flag should have gone up saying the the name was already taken. The "of VA", and "INC" is not enough of a difference, for all concerned!! It would be too easy to get, on paper, yours and his mixed up, just like that person asking you about a dog you knew nothing about! I'd at least call them.
J

[Attila]

Stop......not so fast!You have to choose a male and a female from his next litter....or a litter of your choose....this guy dont breed blue hipos he has some good dogs....or im wrong?
His dogs are ok. I don't want any of them though. No he doesn't have any hippo dogs. They actually look ok. He was polite and I will let it be as we agreed he can use the ADBA one he has. I don't care to take it from him. We both know that if I pushed the Corporat and incorporated and etc that it would not be to his benifit. And frankly I don't feel like wasting my time in some stuffy court. I have the dogs I want right here. I love my line. And they love me. lol Anyway as far as ADBA goes I will call them and let them know whats up and have them alter mine for their club As I have every other corner covered. As a company I can sue till the cows come home but you cant milk a turnup. This isn't the first time that I know of that ADBA messed up on a older Kennel. They can do things faster with these computers but some things just get messed up or missed in the transfer from paper to what ever the hell it is on in a computer. I am still upset but I am not going to blame the kid. He seemed genuine and I will take his word for it unless something proves otherwise. Hell as a corporat level Viper Security as least asked me in a letter if they could use it. I was like hell ya. I don't even know if they are still around but it was cool the researced it out and felt the courticy to ask because they thought it was close enough to cause issue. I am not a complete dick. Just mostly one. lol

I am not sure what I will do about the adba thing. I like them and all with the shows and stuff but I do feel a bit miffed. He started using it 3 years ago Mine for 30 I took over the kennel from my grandfather when he became ill but was with him from day one and before. Ya my Grand parents were the most stable thing in my life as a kid. We transfered all names. Any way I will use my name for every thing but the ADBA I may keep my dogs with them and I may not. As of right now I am leaning at not. As for the dogs I have registered with them from before. They have mostly passed on. My new litter may stay with where it is now for all I care I have them all registered through DPBBA I know the owner and president first hand and he has never screwed any thing up on me. I am registered with CKC but don't deal with them. It was when they were new and it cost me about $20 so I figured what the heck. AKC is on my Hound dogs. Etc. out of my Michigan kennels. So I suppose I have to either dig through my countless boxes of stuff from over the past 30 years plus the 34 years my grandpa had his kennel running before me joining him. It just seems pathetic. I don't even know if it is worth my time with them. I suppose I will have to do another name for that damn club if I want to show with them. Or not even bother. ah I am just fustrated is all I will think on it till I am clear. Like the call to VA to day I didn't call till we were done piss matching in emails. Then we were both calm. And he was tremendiously polite and curtious. And was willing to work with me and I he. I looked at his registry it does say of Virginia on it and his name. Not incorporated or nation wide. I pray there will not be any issues of it. I went three years of not knowing he exsisted. If I redo my crap with ADBA I have no clue what to call it. It will be a pain with the double registared dogs. How about Phukheu Kennels? Ha let them pronounce that in a show.

[Attila]

I agree. I would call ADBA and get them to fix this problem. They may cannot do anything about already registered dogs, but could change the name for him in further breedings. When he applied for a kennel name through them, a red flag should have gone up saying the the name was already taken. The "of VA", and "INC" is not enough of a difference, for all concerned!! It would be too easy to get, on paper, yours and his mixed up, just like that person asking you about a dog you knew nothing about! I'd at least call them.
J
You are both right of VA and Inc. isn't enough to make much ado I will call but I don't expect much at this point.

Well I told him he can keep it with ADBA as it was not his error. I don't renig on my word. Never. It was the same as a handshake for all purpose to me and he. I will deal with adba and let them know my oppinion about that happening but I will obtain another name for them and deal with it. I may use my last name or make ups some sort of goofy thing just so I can hear them say it over and over each time I compete and show my dogs. So every one give me some really messed up names I will make sure this doesn't happen again. As for AKC, DPBBA, UKC, the hunt clubs I belong to and that pathetic CKC I will have those he is a member of BFKC? I don't intend on using them so he can stay with that one too. He has to remain as hobby status though. That is the deal we made. Mine is a business not a hobby at least as far as taxes go. And any one that owns larger companies, and earn too much will know why I do that. Cost me more to file but it is way worth it. Oh ya and I am still up in europe. We both laughed about the one in Australia and the herding dogs and the weiner dog one. I am not concerned with those every one knows I don't mess with any of that out side of training them. I will train any dog to what ever it is an owner wants providing it is physically and mentally capable of doing what ever the demand is. I have gotten some really weird request. Profoundly weird. Call the freak hotline type weird.

He never heard of DPBBA and I don't know anything about BFKC so that is interesting. I still don't know what BFKC is but he now knows what DPBBA is. I bet there are hundreds out here that are just small enough to be regional and not heard of out side of certain areas.

[diva]

Interesting thread. So how would one know if someone else was using their kennel name? Or if they had picked out a name that was already in use? And how do you register a kennel name? Does one do that through ADBA or at some place local?

[Pitbull219]

Interesting thread. So how would one know if someone else was using their kennel name? Or if they had picked out a name that was already in use? And how do you register a kennel name? Does one do that through ADBA or at some place local?A while back, the wife and I came up with a list of kennel names we'd like to one day use. I googled every one of them, and to my surprise, alot of them had multiple hits. Completely different kennels, in different states, sometimes with different breeds of dog, with the same names! Just in my area alone, there are 3 unrelated kennels within a 75 mile radius operating under the same name! I've already talked to my accountant and will have a DBA for mine before someone else comes along and tries to operate under that name. It's a bit premature, but I feel it's a good way to secure the name and be able to have a claim to it if someone else tries to use it......

[Attila]

Interesting thread. So how would one know if someone else was using their kennel name? Or if they had picked out a name that was already in use? And how do you register a kennel name? Does one do that through ADBA or at some place local?
When you get your DBA and tax ID you have the option of state, national and international. I am International and National in four of my five Kennels. They are registred with ADBA, DPBBA, AKC (I have dogs other than APBT) and European Federation in Hungary, Hungarian dog club and so on. What ADBA did is lost my records from before their computor time and the new owners of the club. I have very little use for them any more. I still have my international Kennel with them or to say registered with them as they have not lost it yet. Count will likely be the last dog I ever have registered to them or allowed to be registered to them. I have gotten their magazine and it is full of shit breeds and garbage and so are the shows mainly the pulls. It seems the list of people dissaticefied with ADBA is ever growing. And soon they may just be a bully registration if they don't get their shit together. And as far as I care that is what they should be for selling out and going along with it for money's sake. Any way it cost now$200 used to be far less. You don't get any thing better or more than before. AKC, UKC, PKC and the many KC and KA's have similar fee's. The Association I am going to put my time into is only $15 and has been for years. I don't expect it to change as long as I have influence in the organization. It isn't about money. But paper and supplies of the sort do need to be covered. We have about 4,000 members reportably. Mostly older folks and hunters. You registar with the state also. Some states have rules and actually check your kennel to see of you go by the health and welfare codes of the state. and so on. It is a process. But every thing is a tax write off. And legally I can sue any one that uses any signature part of my name. Even Viper Security systems wrote me a fine letter for permission to use it and also offered some sort of fee that I declined. I let them use the name obviously. And they have really grown. Doesn't bother me as it isn't any thing to do with any breed of dog I mess with. However the other is. He isn't to sell any dog or use that name for anything other than hobby. He made that promise and I stated I would not take any legal actions if that was followed. After all it was the fault of ADBA and they are the sole resposible party and they are to blame.

[Attila]

A while back, the wife and I came up with a list of kennel names we'd like to one day use. I googled every one of them, and to my surprise, alot of them had multiple hits. Completely different kennels, in different states, sometimes with different breeds of dog, with the same names! Just in my area alone, there are 3 unrelated kennels within a 75 mile radius operating under the same name! I've already talked to my accountant and will have a DBA for mine before someone else comes along and tries to operate under that name. It's a bit premature, but I feel it's a good way to secure the name and be able to have a claim to it if someone else tries to use it......
I suggest going the extra step and going international or national at least. My Viper Kennels is incorporated so that brings a new level to the table also. Viperaseru is International and the rest are either state level or national depending on the time I started them or who started them. I inherited both Grandpa's Kennels and they are state level Kennels in Michigan and one in Hungary. It can be a mess that is why I incorporated to make it easier on me and the tax lady.

[SMOKIN HEMI]

It has been brought to my attention that some one in Virginia is operating using my Kennel name of Viper Kennels. I am not really sure what I should do about it. But here is how it is. My Kennel was established in 1976 as Viper Kennels. I incorporated a few years back. I don't know who this young man is but he has a web site. At the moment I am highly pissed off. Highly, extremely pissed off. My kennel is even Registered and copywrited. WTF. I am madder than a bucket full of red wasps. I have a notion to drive to Virginia and peel the flesh from this kids body. Low down rat. Trying to ride on my name. Who do we have in Virginia. Who has a stable mind enough to let this kid know before I call a lawyer.

Attila this might be one the all time great post. You are a mad mofo if you are madder than a bucket of not just some wasp but red wasps.lol.. I KNOW IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE FUNNY. But that was some funny shit. Bro I got your back I'll go up there with you....

[Mystic]

Greetings, arn't the first time that this happens, for years you can read in the old magazines that similar problem, may be some of that kennels don't have knowlege about the existence of the other, and i am sure any had the bad or criminal intention, both had such thoughts at the time of choosing the name, some time ago I do business with the kennel of Virginia, and he had very good communication and i have another friend of NJ who do business too, and all was fine.

[Attila]

Attila this might be one the all time great post. You are a mad mofo if you are madder than a bucket of not just some wasp but red wasps.lol.. I KNOW IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE FUNNY. But that was some funny shit. Bro I got your back I'll go up there with you....
Thanks. lol We can do that some time. Nothing like a good roll.


Mystic,

Está siendo usted a partir del uno de mis lugares preferidos de la piel de la isla lejoshttp://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif. Déjeme decir en las palabras que serán provechosas entender porqué ésta me incomoda y porqué alguna quién prometió nunca funcionar su perrera con excepción como de manía. Si usted está haciendo negocio con él y usted tiene un amigo el hacer de negocio con él que no sea una manía. Mi perrera es un negocio y se incorpora y por lo tanto cae bajo reglas de los leyes corporativos y las regulaciones y también ahora tengo una identificación y un DBA del impuesto federal
Digámosle para vender los sombreros con un sash rojo que tienen rayas verdes en él y usted es el mejor fabricante del sombrero y el sash con las rayas verdes es su marca comercial. Ahora algún otro hombre que hace los sombreros justos tan buenos como el tuyo utiliza su sash para vender sus sombreros usando su fama. Usted sería feliz para él porque él caminó en su cola de la capa y utilizó su nombre para promover sus sombreros que tomaban negocio de usted? Ahora sus cabritos no consiguen a zapatos nuevos esta estación. Está eso apenas y justos? Eso le hace feliz? Eso hace ese otro fabricante del sombrero a buen hombre justo porque algún era feliz con su sombrero justo compaired a su sombrero superior? Usted me dice cómo usted tendría emoción en aquélla. Bueno o malo? Ahora estamos hablando mis perros una línea que he funcionado para 35years los versos excesivos uno que él tiene funcionó por 3-4 años. Sobre todos he tenido el campeón 97 y perros magníficos del campeón. Y él ha tenido lo que?. Ahora usted entiende?
Magyar De Viperaszeru Attila

[Attila]

A while back, the wife and I came up with a list of kennel names we'd like to one day use. I googled every one of them, and to my surprise, alot of them had multiple hits. Completely different kennels, in different states, sometimes with different breeds of dog, with the same names! Just in my area alone, there are 3 unrelated kennels within a 75 mile radius operating under the same name! I've already talked to my accountant and will have a DBA for mine before someone else comes along and tries to operate under that name. It's a bit premature, but I feel it's a good way to secure the name and be able to have a claim to it if someone else tries to use it......
That is a good looking dog. Who is that scary looking bald fellow next to that great looking dog?. Is that you? Your daughters boyfriends wont have trouble getting them home on time. lol I need to adopt some daughters. so I can scare the shit out of some rotten boys too. lolhttp://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Rockstar]

I dealt with this same issue a few years ago; people calling me up looking to buy Dachshunds, lol. Turns out that some dachshund breeder in Florida was using the name Rockstar Kennels. After a lengthy ordeal, I found myself with two choices: either change my kennel name or battle it out in court, because these people weren't budging. So...I changed the last s to a z and became Rockstar Kennelz;). Simple as that.

[Pitbull219]

That is a good looking dog. Who is that scary looking bald fellow next to that great looking dog?. Is that you? Your daughters boyfriends wont have trouble getting them home on time. lol I need to adopt some daughters. so I can scare the shit out of some rotten boys too. lolhttp://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.giflol, yup, that's me, and my girl Lexi. Believe me when I say, I am ready for the little punks that want to date my daughter.....I will put the fear of God in them! ;)

[squirt07]

It has been brought to my attention that some one in Virginia is operating using my Kennel name of Viper Kennels. I am not really sure what I should do about it. But here is how it is. My Kennel was established in 1976 as Viper Kennels. I incorporated a few years back. I don't know who this young man is but he has a web site. At the moment I am highly pissed off. Highly, extremely pissed off. My kennel is even Registered and copywrited. WTF. I am madder than a bucket full of red wasps. I have a notion to drive to Virginia and peel the flesh from this kids body. Low down rat. Trying to ride on my name. Who do we have in Virginia. Who has a stable mind enough to let this kid know before I call a lawyer.
wow thats horrible i dont know what to say...id say go down there and confront him about it. thats just wrong. after everything u have done for me and my mom (and squirt) if theres something we can do let us know. like a petition...idk how that would even work...