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http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=215449
How did she get the color????
Sean W.
07-31-2006, 04:45 PM
You mean, how come she's merle?
You mean, how come she's merle?Yeah. I just put the ped together and looked at it and couldnt find nothing. The parents both were red/white. It had to of come from her bottom side and not the top and why the hell would someone do a breeding like that. Just a typical ByB i guess and i was the newb that feel into there tricks lol oh well gotta learn the hard way.
Miss Conduct
07-31-2006, 04:49 PM
The Gene Is Back There Somewhere. Showing A Ped Really Does Nothing, Esp. When You Cant See What The Parents Look Like (color)
The Gene Is Back There Somewhere. Showing A Ped Really Does Nothing, Esp. When You Cant See What The Parents Look Like (color)The parents were Red/White and the sire was about 54 pounds and the damn was about 45. Diva was the only one outta the litter that was merle all the others were red/white.
Bullyboi
07-31-2006, 04:55 PM
Merle is a dominant gene. Which means there are only a few ways it could have got that color. It cant come back from past generations it either comes from one of the parents or it was a mutation and the dog was born out of non merle parents.
1)gene mutation (rare but happens)
2) hung papers
3) one of the parents were a crytic merle but appear non merle
Just my 2cents
Its a good looking dog though lol.
FearlessKnight
07-31-2006, 04:56 PM
Wow.........?! Thats interesting! ( I am not being funny either)
Well it could be very well hung papers. I dont care i dont do nothin with the bitch. But i just put the ped together and just had me thinking a little and wanted to see what yall thought about it.
misterdogman
07-31-2006, 05:15 PM
Personally son I think its the worst of the 3 possibilities....but im an asshole and always say the meanest thing possible...you know that already...
DAD
Fake papers would be my opinion and the highest probability. The dog bears a striking resemblance to a Catahoula that my friend owns.
Regards,
B
TabDogs
07-31-2006, 09:14 PM
that dogs papers arent hung. She is a local bred dog, and the bottom is what is throwing the merle. They have no reason to hang papers.
misterdogman
07-31-2006, 09:33 PM
that dogs papers arent hung. She is a local bred dog, and the bottom is what is throwing the merle. They have no reason to hang papers.Whos the breeder
jeeperino
07-31-2006, 11:02 PM
AT the last aadr show I was at(this weekend). They allowed a mearle to be shown. I was like WTF?? The dog was ticked like a Catahoula and had one blue eye and the other was a diff color..... just like a Catahoula. Is this a possible genetic mutation??
Riptora
07-31-2006, 11:09 PM
Fake papers would be my opinion and the highest probability. The dog bears a striking resemblance to a Catahoula that my friend owns.
Regards,
BThat's what I was thinking. I thought that dog was a Catahoula cross and assumed that's what CB thought of it too when she was first posted in his gallery. I didn't realize she came from a breeder.
I guess Tabdogs knows the breeder. I'm sure he is honest in his beliefs.
misterdogman
07-31-2006, 11:18 PM
That's what I was thinking. I thought that dog was a Catahoula cross and assumed that's what CB thought of it too when she was first posted in his gallery. I didn't realize she came from a breeder.
I guess Tabdogs knows the breeder. I'm sure he is honest in his beliefs.I just like to give CB a hard time about his dogs...you know fatherly love and all....got to be tough on your kids or they get dumb...kick them around once in a while then they'll really listen....I know she is bred good I saw the ped before I just cant remember the breeder...
Riptora
08-02-2006, 12:40 AM
I must be confused by the merles...
No mystery there. The Wentz blood throws a lot of merles. I'd bet Ebony may be a cryptic merle, as Diva isn't the only merle she's produced. Here is another:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=128956
As for the AADR, merles are accepted in AADR, so they are welcome at AADR shows/pulls. As I have said before, every other major club save ADBA & UKC accepts merle.
lol.
No mystery there. The Wentz blood throws a lot of merles. I'd bet Ebony may be a cryptic merle, as Diva isn't the only merle she's produced. Here is another:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=128956
As for the AADR, merles are accepted in AADR, so they are welcome at AADR shows/pulls. As I have said before, every other major club save ADBA & UKC accepts merle.
lol.I dont think merles should be accepted by any registry IMO. But yeah i met the person that got that other dog and she bred it to her "1xW" lmao which she said won a hunt when it was a puppy so that made it a 1xW. Now there are more merles in the world because of stupid owners.
Attila
08-02-2006, 05:08 AM
It would sure blend in while hunting in the woods like camo. Just don't shoot the bushes lol.
Interesting looking thing. I don't know what I think about the color. I don't hate it. I don't want it but I dont hate it. Kind of one of those err ah interesting things. ya know what I mean?
Attila
08-02-2006, 05:15 AM
No mystery there. The Wentz blood throws a lot of merles. I'd bet Ebony may be a cryptic merle, as Diva isn't the only merle she's produced. Here is another:
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=128956
As for the AADR, merles are accepted in AADR, so they are welcome at AADR shows/pulls. As I have said before, every other major club save ADBA & UKC accepts merle.
lol.Ok help me here. I have studied genetics but it has been many years from the time I was in college. If this mans Ebony was Cryptic merle wouldn't her mother or father have to be also and so on back being it is a dominant gene? That kind of puzzles me. It would have to be that way though right a long line of dogs with the gene but not showing it? I am usually up on this science stuff but a dominant gene has to show some time before now in the gene pool of the pedigree.
CB: I'm sorry to hear you judge dogs on color. I thought you were into gamedogs, not colors. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
As for the 1xw thing I think you have the wrong person. The person who owns Dinasty is a HE, not a SHE.
Attila: No, for Ebony to be merle her parents do not necessarily have to be merle themselves. There are rare cases of a merle being produced out of 2 non-merle parents.
But what is more likely is that one of her parents is merle, since she is a Wentz bred dogs & the Wentz line is known for producing merles. She would be cryptic b/c of her color. Merle cannot express itself on a tan coat. Since she is tan she would be genetically merle but appear non-merle (cryptic).
This would go for any phaelomelanistic dog. Merle needs eumelanin to express itself. So merle will be expressed on coats that are black, brown or seal. But if the dog is phaelomelanistic - yellow, tan, cream, etc. - the merle will be expressed weakly if it is expressed at all.
Hope this helps!
CB: I'm sorry to hear you judge dogs on color. I thought you were into gamedogs, not colors. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
As for the 1xw thing I think you have the wrong person. The person who owns Dinasty is a HE, not a SHE.
Attila: No, for Ebony to be merle her parents do not necessarily have to be merle themselves. There are rare cases of a merle being produced out of 2 non-merle parents.
But what is more likely is that one of her parents is merle, since she is a Wentz bred dogs & the Wentz line is known for producing merles. She would be cryptic b/c of her color. Merle cannot express itself on a tan coat. Since she is tan she would be genetically merle but appear non-merle (cryptic).
This would go for any phaelomelanistic dog. Merle needs eumelanin to express itself. So merle will be expressed on coats that are black, brown or seal. But if the dog is phaelomelanistic - yellow, tan, cream, etc. - the merle will be expressed weakly if it is expressed at all.
Hope this helps!Ummm im into Game dogs that can produce the same as they are but i doubt a merle will go on to be a good game dog and still produce the same in its offspring. Just like blues. And the person that own dinasty is a girl unless they switched owners and i know for sure the person that owns the "1xW" is a girl. I think i would know this because i live no longer then 5 minutes from them and in this city everybody know's everybody that are into dogs.
So what you're telling me is you are not into dogs who can't produce even if they show to be game??
To purport you can predict a dog's gameness or production ability by the color of it's hair is absurd. That would be like saying brindles are game but blacks are not. Or reds can produce but buckskins cannot. Sounds silly doesn't it? But that is what your statment amounts to.
Merles can produce as well as any other color if the same standard is put to them as other colors - i.e. testing the stock, using what makes the cut & culling the rest. But merles (along w/ blues) are almost always owned by color breeders who will never test their stock. So if the resulting animals are substandard it is the fault of the breeder/owner, not the dog's fur.
As for the person who owns Dinasty, it is Travon B., which if I am correct is a male name. I have known Travon for a while & he has never made any insinuation that he is anything but a male. And he has been the owner of Dinasty for the last several years.
purplepig
08-03-2006, 12:12 AM
I have always been told by my elders, of whom I have high regard, that the reason this color is not acceptable is that the moajority of the time other problems come with it. Health problems, etc. This was such a common occurance that it became a trait to cull. Now that it is a very rare color, I am assuming that foks who want something different are gonna began to breed, and already are, for this. As I stated, this is what I have been told by men I have high regard for, but I have never had hands on experience of one. I do believe in this case, that color does have an effect upon the dog. I would, however love for you to keep me informed of how the dog's life goes. Health, temperment, attitude, drive, etc. It would be could to keep very detailed records of this.
J
Attila
08-03-2006, 03:59 AM
Thanks ABK. So the Merle color isn't a dominant trait it needs an secondary chemical that is produced as a genetic byproduct. Yes?No? Just one of the parents have to carry the gene and if it hits on the darker colored dogs it will show correct. This is very interesting to me as I thought it was a dominant gene. so it can be hidden but not ressisive at the same time because of the lack of the darker pigment. Out side of that photo I have never personally seen a merle Pit Bull. other breeds yes not the pitbull. It would be interesting to know where it came from. Like take white for instance we know it came form one of the now extinct English terriors or at least that is a common thought. Really as secretive as they were back then anything now is sort of speculative. What ever it was the end result was perfect.
J: I was once heard the same thing by an old fancier. I was told that merle was in the breed of old, but was culled out b/c it was associated w/ health problems, which is true of merle in it's pure form.
Of course these men knew nothing about color genetics, etc. & were breeding merle x merle. It didn't take long for them to figure out something was wrong, but they didn't know it was their breeding practices, they just knew when they bred those "spotted" dogs together they got bad pups.
As a result merle aquired a sigma as unhealthy & most old timers would cull merles. Hence their beeing little seen until today.
At least that's what I was told.
As for merle health, I have had them for 10 years & have found them to be as healthy as any other color I've got. I have one that will be coming up on his 6th birthday soon & to date he's had no problems! ;)
These however are heterozygotes, not homozygotes.
Attila
08-03-2006, 04:10 AM
Now those two words mean something to me. So how many merle dogs do you have? are they in your gallery. I would be interested in seeing them.
Now those two words mean something to me. So how many merle dogs do you have? are they in your gallery. I would be interested in seeing them.Over the years we have probably had about 15 merle APBTs. I do not have pics of them in my gallery, but you can see some of them on BullyBoi's merle webpage. I can also send you some pics directly if you want.
So what you're telling me is you are not into dogs who can't produce even if they show to be game??
To purport you can predict a dog's gameness or production ability by the color of it's hair is absurd. That would be like saying brindles are game but blacks are not. Or reds can produce but buckskins cannot. Sounds silly doesn't it? But that is what your statment amounts to.
Merles can produce as well as any other color if the same standard is put to them as other colors - i.e. testing the stock, using what makes the cut & culling the rest. But merles (along w/ blues) are almost always owned by color breeders who will never test their stock. So if the resulting animals are substandard it is the fault of the breeder/owner, not the dog's fur.
As for the person who owns Dinasty, it is Travon B., which if I am correct is a male name. I have known Travon for a while & he has never made any insinuation that he is anything but a male. And he has been the owner of Dinasty for the last several years.What i am saying is i appreciate game dogs but i appreciate a game dog that can produce game dogs in its offspring alot more. ABK if you feel so strongly behind your remarks then i will give you this bitch for FREE she will go into anything with fur and i will let you have her for yourself. And if she does turn out then you breed her and see how her offspring does but i know i wont be another dumb ass to breed a merle. The offer is on the table lets see if you take it. I can ship this bitch out tommorow if you want. Get at me.
Attila
08-04-2006, 03:22 AM
What i am saying is i appreciate game dogs but i appreciate a game dog that can produce game dogs in its offspring alot more. ABK if you feel so strongly behind your remarks then i will give you this bitch for FREE she will go into anything with fur and i will let you have her for yourself. And if she does turn out then you breed her and see how her offspring does but i know i wont be another dumb ass to breed a merle. The offer is on the table lets see if you take it. I can ship this bitch out tommorow if you want. Get at me.
Hell I wan't to see this bitch. I will drive down and meet ya'll In Ole Mississippi hell fire that is just down the road. That way I can at least meat two more on the site. Putting the people with the nick names and shit. It drives me nuts not knowing who or what the heck I am talking to. I can be there tommorow to see the bitch and witness the hand off. I just want to put my hands on a merle one time to say I touched one once way back when I was half a hundred. lol
What i am saying is i appreciate game dogs but i appreciate a game dog that can produce game dogs in its offspring alot more.I respect that & feel what you're saying there. I am the same way myself.
You can send your female if you wish. I will PM you my personal info after work if you'd like. I will be getting home around 1:00 pm CST.
As a side note, it doesn't take a dumbass to breed a merle, it takes a dumbass to breed a merle wrong! Breeding merles is as simple as breeding any other color if one has even a teeny shred of common sense.
Attila: If you would like to see or pet a merle, let me know. Perhaps we can work something out! ;)
Attila
08-04-2006, 05:12 AM
I respect that & feel what you're saying there. I am the same way myself.
You can send your female if you wish. I will PM you my personal info after work if you'd like. I will be getting home around 1:00 pm CST.
As a side note, it doesn't take a dumbass to breed a merle, it takes a dumbass to breed a merle wrong! Breeding merles is as simple as breeding any other color if one has even a teeny shred of common sense.
Attila: If you would like to see or pet a merle, let me know. Perhaps we can work something out! ;)
You bet I am game. I want to see and pet a merle. I need to take a vacation any way. I am going to Texas next weekend ya do some hog hunting, I hope I get to put the blade to one or more. I am pumped about that. I can come on down ya'lls way and snatch some of them ugly gators up and get me some of that for the freezer. Making my rounds. It is about time I got out of this state for a while any way. I retired in March and I get stir crazy being in one spot for very long. Hook me up an invite I will drive down and see ya'll. Why I will even bring one of my pride and joys along to show off.http://www.game-dog.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif
Why don't you do your hog hunting in the 'Sip? There are plenty of hogs here that need frozen & it's closer.
Let me know when you'd like to visit. But I warn you now we are a working family, so if you want to see a fancy yard & a high-flatutin' house, you'll be disappointed.
lol.
purplepig
08-04-2006, 03:38 PM
Why don't you do your hog hunting in the 'Sip? There are plenty of hogs here that need frozen & it's closer.
Let me know when you'd like to visit. But I warn you now we are a working family, so if you want to see a fancy yard & a high-flatutin' house, you'll be disappointed.
lol.
I'd like to get in on some of that hog!! What I'd really like is to catch one to bring back to the house alive.
J
GG62405
08-04-2006, 04:29 PM
Out side of that photo I have never personally seen a merle Pit Bull.
This may be a bit off the original topic but I don't know what the majority of people would label Beau as.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/megan0414/BFree.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/megan0414/deck.jpg
I see a pit bull type dog and I think under BSL, he'd probably fall under that description as well. Of course he's merle, so according to most everybody and I think 2 registries, he's without a doubt mixed. IMO, Beau is most likely some type of pit bull terrier/catahoula mix. Plus, as a pup, he's was just so damn weird looking lol. However, I'm still neutral on the whole "pure bred merle vs. merle mutt debate." I'm just not totally convinced one way or the other. Anyways, CB I have no idea how the merle came about on your female but I do think she's an absolutely gorgeous dog.
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