Camalot 2x ??????

[Big Game]

Does anybody know anythig about this dog or the kennel that produced him. Is he a true 2x. his bottom has some good hemphill/wilder dogs , but his top half is tight Camalot blood. A 2x off Camalot blood I don't know if I can belive that.http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=140358

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i dont know y they bred camelot in there i just would of kept on with the sarona/wilder/hemphill just my opinion

[JuicyCa]

He could have came out a lot worse (you never know with Camelot). I'm not very experienced with peds, but he seems a little scatterbred even with the semi-consistent Wilder blood. Am I correct?

I have a friend who is in good with Camelot, I'll see if he knows anything about this dog.

[Big Game]

i dont know y they bred camelot in there i just would of kept on with the sarona/wilder/hemphill just my opinionThe only thing I can think of is thay were trying to add size and keep the blood pradominatly Ofrn. The whole big red dog fad. I have a hard time beliveing the 2x claim. But who knows.Thats why I poasted the ped ,to see if anyone knows anything about these dogs.

[jbh38]

This isn't the side of Camelot that wants the huge dogs. This is the breeder of the real Camelot dogs and he doesn't breed for size. This dog isn't the monsters that you see others producing.

[bahamutt99]

Don't know about the blood, but that's a good-looking dog.

[MTNDOG]

i dont know y they bred camelot in there i just would of kept on with the sarona/wilder/hemphill just my opinion
It could be because the whole topside goes back to clouse/hemphill/sarona. You guys got nothing better to do than talk shit about what other people do. Do something yourself bud. Don't worry about others.

[Big Game]

It could be because the whole topside goes back to clouse/hemphill/sarona. You guys got nothing better to do than talk shit about what other people do. Do something yourself bud. Don't worry about others.Wow, somebody has there fruit of the loom's in a bunch.The dog might be as qulity as thay come. I am not bashing the dog or the kennel who bread him. unless you count the whole, I have a hard time beliveing the whole 2x winner thing as bashing. Im here to learn, so school me BUD.;)

[Big Game]

I would not consider him scatterbred.He could have came out a lot worse (you never know with Camelot). I'm not very experienced with peds, but he seems a little scatterbred even with the semi-consistent Wilder blood. Am I correct?

I have a friend who is in good with Camelot, I'll see if he knows anything about this dog.

[JuicyCa]

OK then. Like I said, I'm just learning peds. Thanks!

[Big Game]

Im still learning myself Im not shure you ever stop. Reading pedagrees and distingwishing bloodlines is something that takes alot of time and studying. I would not consider him scaterbreed because he is a tight ofrn dog top and botom. Willder,Woods, Hemphill, and Sorona. All have comon ancesters(Breed down from alot of the same dogs) & are comonly crossed into one another. All are hard to find in pure form nowdays. OK then. Like I said, I'm just learning peds. Thanks!

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It could be because the whole topside goes back to clouse/hemphill/sarona. You guys got nothing better to do than talk shit about what other people do. Do something yourself bud. Don't worry about others.
my opinion is just my opinion i dont think is talking shit im just saying wat i would of done if it came as of talking shit then xcuse me that wasn't my intention

[red Hot]

This must be Cold Steel wandering every where but the source. I did the breeding years ago to a beautifull Clouse male named Camelot's Rocketfire and have never been dissapointed yet

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[jeeperino]

That isnt really a Camelot dog IMO. I dont knpw much about the lines, but I can see that they bought a bitch and bred her. That doesnt make a bloodline IMO. The stock is from quality dogs (not game bred) and the 2x'er thing isnt impossible as we all know. You could have a 2x'er or even a Gr Ch. ROM dog easily if you really wanted one...... just TYPE IT IN. I wouldnt think about it anymore, it is useless info.

[runt]

its easy to falseify peds.online but the easiest way to find out is to do your own research.That isnt really a Camelot dog IMO. I dont knpw much about the lines, but I can see that they bought a bitch and bred her. That doesnt make a bloodline IMO. The stock is from quality dogs (not game bred) and the 2x'er thing isnt impossible as we all know. You could have a 2x'er or even a Gr Ch. ROM dog easily if you really wanted one...... just TYPE IT IN. I wouldnt think about it anymore, it is useless info.

[Iverson's Pits]

looks like the sires upper side goes back to some game lines mixed in with some quality show stuff (thru red dixie).

the camelot in the dog isn't the same camelot most are associating it with. the bottom side of the 'camelot' goes back to fairly tight buster jo blood and the top side, again, to some quality show dogs.

we can all see the awesome wilder/hemphill dogs thru the dam.

this is a good looking dog, but definitely not game-bred. that doesn't mean this dog couldn't be game or do well in that a.o.r. - but it doesn't seem likely based on the pedigree alone. the pedigree doesn't convince someone that this dog was produced for game purposes. and yes, if you know these lines, this dog looks like something that lineage would produce (dont jump my bones for the bloodline/certain look debate)

[realonebulldog]

Does anybody know anythig about this dog or the kennel that produced him. Is he a true 2x. his bottom has some good hemphill/wilder dogs , but his top half is tight Camalot blood. A 2x off Camalot blood I don't know if I can belive that.http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=140358 He has some dash of very good Bulldogblood .......I would belive it.

[red Hot]

I can give you my word and with out putting someones name out there without permission and respect I would give you his too. He his a well known dog man that made Jack what he is today. I would never disrespect my dogs and put down false information to make them look better. NEVER !! Like I told you before. I have owned this amazing breed for over 15 yrs and will not be disscredited because you have a beef with me or my partner. People the only reason this person is doing this is because they don't like me or my partner. He doesn't even care about game or real Pits for that matter, that's why I found it so hard to believe he even wanted to know any info on him in the first place.

When I first started breeding I was taught by the original Camelot, *Mr Sideras and Mr Wood. With the valuable information and guidance they gave me it would be a dissgrace to lie about something like that.

[Insane_Knls]

Well i know rocket fire is a good dog.....And you guys yappin about big red dog fad has nothing to do with this ped...You see when kubars golden bud came into a certain mans hands he was kinda skeptical...Didnt like the bigger size of the dog but the dog proved him self very worthy so he overlooked his bigger size....Im not sayin this dog is or isnt a 2x winner but im saying its easily possible....Theres 2 kinds of camelot but one of these guys is a true dog man......Not sayin the other isnt but one is a dogman if ya get me....

[runt]

you don't have to explain yourself as long as the people that know knows.I have a dog with some of the dogs you produced in the peds.on the Dams side, and know the guy that owns her and believe me she's GAAME,and found out thru a yard accident she had a awful bite (RIP) to a ELI bitch.I heard the new camelot dogs are bred for size but heard nothing but good things about ART.That stuff crosses well:D I can give you my word and with out putting someones name out there without permission and respect I would give you his too. He his a well known dog man that made Jack what he is today. I would never disrespect my dogs and put down false information to make them look better. NEVER !! Like I told you before. I have owned this amazing breed for over 15 yrs and will not be disscredited because you have a beef with me or my partner. People the only reason this person is doing this is because they don't like me or my partner. He doesn't even care about game or real Pits for that matter, that's why I found it so hard to believe he even wanted to know any info on him in the first place.

When I first started breeding I was taught by the original Camelot, Arthur Sideras and Marsha Wood. With the valuable information and guidance they gave me it would be a dissgrace to lie about something like that.

[jbh38]

That link has nothing at all to do with this dog. That is someone that bought some dogs and is trying to ride on the name. There is a night and day difference in the real dogs and what is produced at that kennel. The real Camelot Kennels doesn't even have a website that I know of.

[runt]

Thank you,I was about to say the same thingThat link has nothing at all to do with this dog. That is someone that bought some dogs and is trying to ride on the name. There is a night and day difference in the real dogs and what is produced at that kennel. The real Camelot Kennels doesn't even have a website that I know of.

[red Hot]

There is another Camelot out there breeding only for size , He calls himself Camelot Pits and i am in no way associated with him.

Thanks for the support guys.

Jennifer
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[Big Game]

Red Hot Kennels, thank you for responding to the thred. I was skeptical of the 2x thing,Allthow I never thought it imposable. I dident start this thread to bash you or youre dog. I am a big fan of the ofrn dogs and i have herd nothing but bad about the Camalot blood, tharefore I had writen off the bloodline as a whole. However IMO the person who is breeding the dogs has alot more barring on the quality of the dogs than the bloodline. In other words there are people out there breeding gamelines out of standerd,and outhers breeding lines not commonly known to be game lines true to standerd. It appears I have some studdying to do on the early Camalot dogs. I would appreciate any information you wold like to share. pm me if you would like P.S. Im not shure if you were refering to me but if so Im not coldsteelThere is another Camelot out there breeding only for size , He calls himself Camelot Pits and i am in no way associated with him.

Thanks for the support guys.

Jennifer
Red Hot Kennels

[Chato99]

Keep in mind that the 2x thing only says that the dog has two victories, not over who or the quality of the competition. Hell, anymore it doesn't even mean that there was a quality referee or that it was reported in a magazine.

Finally, this is a 60 plus pound dog which means he competes against big dogs. I've heard stories of a dog beating dogs that size because he was simply one game dog in a weight division full of curs. Not saying that's the case today because I don't know but that dog was probably competing a long time ago.

Either way, I like the dog's look and the ped doesn't look bad.

[red Hot]

BIG GAME

I thought that because Cold Steel started the same thread on a couple other boards and he was clearly challenging me.

Jennifer
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[bronxpits]

the newer camalot stuff was mixed with mastiff to add size to me its a mutt my opinion