Animal Planet

[14rock]

Did anyone catch the show on protection training on the Animal Planet channel? It deals with the Military Service Dog program, and was intresting as an uneducated viewer to watch. I thought their was some good general working-dog info lodged in their, and I couldnt help but think how their mentality is very similar to people with hunting APBT's. For example, proper handling, and an excite bite is not an aggressive tactic. If you mess up handling wise, you are liable to be bitten on accident. Also, that not all canines are strictly pets, and these working dogs love their job, and are not suitable to sit on a couch all day doing nothing. I dont know much about protection training, drug dog sniffing, or bomb dog searches.....and dont particularly care to do too much studying on it, my intrest in the show was purely how much I related to these folks about MANY issues and attitudes. They discuss proper nutrition for working dogs a bit, proper care, experienced handling and ultimately, the need to cull animals that dont make the grade. Very intresting show, and if anyone has the chance to catch it, I really recommend it....although again, I do not know how accurate the training techniques are, as I've never trained a dog for personal protection/drug/bomb/injured person searches.

[paranoia]

I don't watch animal planet. to peta like for me http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/fighting0024.gif

[14rock]

Me also for the most part, but my remote is broken and I fell asleep the night before watching that animal cops show because I seen they were busting an alleged cock-fighter and wanted to see the outcome. LOL chalk it up to a rare coincidence based on my laziness.

[paranoia]

My ex used to watch AP all the time drove me nutz http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/fighting0025.gif

[Riptora]

I would have loved to have seen that! was it a special or a new series? I'll try to look it up on the ol Tivo. What's it called? You know I just can't get enough of that crap!

[houstonapbt]

http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/fighting0024.gifLMAO!!! Where you get that shit??? lol!

[Mudville_Monsta]

i used to watch the show alot but got sick of the propaganda. yet, they do have some interesting and informative shows.

"For example, proper handling, and an excite bite is not an aggressive tactic. If you mess up handling wise, you are liable to be bitten on accident. Also, that not all canines are strictly pets, and these working dogs love their job, and are not suitable to sit on a couch all day doing nothing."

"They discuss proper nutrition for working dogs a bit, proper care, experienced handling and ultimately, the need to cull animals that dont make the grade."

hopefully this type of thinking catches on as much as their propaganda.

[Canis_Panther88]

Yeah, i saw that show "K9 boot camp" i thought it was a pretty good show, great dogs, i'm a huge fan of shepherds, both GSD's and Malinois'.
I think they work with great intensity and agression.

The show i think sucks dick is that "Breed all about it" show, glorifying show breeding as "responsible" and all that other crap. Everytime i see it on i feel like bricking my own television. "Sammy the Labrador looks like a Labrador, therefore he Must be able to work in the field all day, how could he not?!" it's pathetic to say the least.

Jared

[maryellen1]

i caught it the other night, it was very good and informative, and i liked how if the dog didnt cut it as a workng dog they had the chance to be adopted to a home, i thought their info was very good , and it was great to see the dogs working and learning..and the handlers too, they were learning as they went, and when they took their tests the teachers corrected them when the handlers did somethingwrong with the dogs.. some times animal planet has good stuff on, they had another show with working dogs with a contest for the working dogs on obedience, tracking, and drug detection, it was a bunch of cops and dogs from all over competing.. some of their stuff is really good, and other stuff isnt..

[paranoia]

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/tiere/animal-smiley-052.gifI got it from the smilie pagehttp://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/waffen/violent-smiley-016.gif

[bam-bam's mom]

i seen one military dog training show on there, where they were getten the dogs temps up to like 106 degrees, and making them super sick, and one got temp blindness from getten to hot.

[Luke.UK]

i seen one military dog training show on there, where they were getten the dogs temps up to like 106 degrees, and making them super sick, and one got temp blindness from getten to hot.
talking about military trained dogs i`ll bet russian anti tank dogs got hotter!LOL.

[14rock]

Thats the show Bam-bams mom ;) A few dogs suffered from heat stroke.

[mydawgs]

Did anyone catch the show on protection training on the Animal Planet channel? It deals with the Military Service Dog program, and was intresting as an uneducated viewer to watch. I thought their was some good general working-dog info lodged in their, and I couldnt help but think how their mentality is very similar to people with hunting APBT's. For example, proper handling, and an excite bite is not an aggressive tactic. If you mess up handling wise, you are liable to be bitten on accident. Also, that not all canines are strictly pets, and these working dogs love their job, and are not suitable to sit on a couch all day doing nothing. I dont know much about protection training, drug dog sniffing, or bomb dog searches.....and dont particularly care to do too much studying on it, my intrest in the show was purely how much I related to these folks about MANY issues and attitudes. They discuss proper nutrition for working dogs a bit, proper care, experienced handling and ultimately, the need to cull animals that dont make the grade. Very intresting show, and if anyone has the chance to catch it, I really recommend it....although again, I do not know how accurate the training techniques are, as I've never trained a dog for personal protection/drug/bomb/injured person searches.
14 -

All of my dog training experiences through trial and error have taken me across the paths of these folks. And they view their dogs as working dogs, just like we view the APBT as a working dog. So you are so very correct when you state the attitudes and methodologies are very similar to the way we see and interact with the working APBT. It is very interesting isn't it? Just a different breed with a different job!!!

[Rocky H. Balboa]

14Rock, I saw both the shows you mentioned K-9 bootcamp (I think was the name) and the Animal Cop show where they raided a game cock "ring" and they included a yard of APBT thought to be used for game purposes.

I liked the k-9 show merely because I enjoy learning dog material. One thing that stood out in my mind was the fact that "rejected" dogs were killed if they were not aggressive enough against humans (and they say our breed's culling practices are senseless). Luckily for those timid dogs, they have created an adoption program for them. Another thing that stood out is the fact that all puppies from this breeding program are placed in regular homes with regular people until around >1 year of age.

In regarding to the Animal Cop show (this time was in Miami), I found myself correcting the damn want-to-be cops (one in particular....err, actually, this one was a real Sergent). All the talk about how inhumane game dog owners are and how little aftercare dogs received, etc. He even showed a stapler and stated, (paraphrased) "these guys basically staple the skin and let the dog heal on its own" BS, there is a daily procedure any respectable Dogmen/Women will follow in order to heal their athlete. In another scene, two of these "cops" came to a yard to find two puppies (looked Staffie to me) and the Dam and Sire. Neither one had any marks of fighting or aggressive behavior. The owner was fined (according to him) around $3,500 for having "this" breed in the city. When the owner was asked why he lied, he stated, "well, I don't want you to kill my dogs" (you could hear the Sergent in the background trying ssssh him). Yes, the fact is that if a dog was able to choose between doing what he was bred to do and being killed merely because of his breeding, it would choose to live (regardless).

Here is some advise for all of you. If you ever encounter one of these animal cops on your front door, you DO NOT have to let them into your home or property UNLESS they have a WARRANT. The guy that was fined should have not allowed these guys into his house (where they found four more puppies). Be advise that no one, including a true police officer can come into your home without YOUR permission or permission of a COURT. Remember that.

[Luke.UK]

Here is some advise for all of you. If you ever encounter one of these animal cops on your front door, you DO NOT have to let them into your home or property UNLESS they have a WARRANT. The guy that was fined should have not allowed these guys into his house (where they found four more puppies). Be advise that no one, including a true police officer can come into your home without YOUR permission or permission of a COURT. Remember that.[/QUOTE]

Not too sure about this friend,ialways thought the police could enter if they belive a crime is in progress or they`ve seen a suspect just run in?
I agree they do need a warrant for a search,just a bit unsure.:)

[Hoyden]

I actually saw K9 Bootcamp last night because the Gremlin asked if she could stay up to watch it, so I sat with her. Of course she picked up on the part where they mention taking the puppies from the kennels to be raised by local families and the interview with the 10 year old little boy who was a dog walker and said that he is the dog's kindgergarten and first grade teacher.

It was a pretty good show, they had a few more on later where they went through different phases of training with the dogs, so I watched them after she went to bed.

Most people don't realize that working dogs aren't the same as pets. For some reason, they can't understand it.

In the later segment I watched, I liked how they were using older seasoned dogs to help train the newbie handlers. Some of the dogs were 9 & 10 years old.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Not too sure about this friend,ialways thought the police could enter if they belive a crime is in progress or they`ve seen a suspect just run in?
I agree they do need a warrant for a search,just a bit unsure.:)
Yes, the only way they are allowed to come in without a warrant is if they are in active pursuit. If they could come in whenever they "felt" a crime was in progress, what would be the point of getting warrants? They have to get a warrant in order to gain access to private property. They cannot even take your dog without a warrant (this may differ by States). For example, I was walking my dog on a leash when another unleashed dog confronted mine. This all happened in a public area. Well, after being able to remove my dog from the unconscious one (This was prior to me owning breaking sticks....it was a long time ago), I waited about 1 hour for the cops to arrive (I knew my rights and was not concerned). Once they did come, they wanted me to hand over my dog. I said heck no, well I actually said, "with all due respect but I will not hand over my property". After several of them pressed me to hand him over, I still refused. To shorten the story, they wrote my personal information and left me and my dog alone. They needed a warrant to seize my "property". Now, if my dog had bitten a human, maybe that would have changed my "rights".

Regards,


RH

[Suki]

I will add to the previous post.

IF a cop is "allowed" in by you and happens to "see" something suspicious in your home, whether that's the reason they initially came or not, since the "suspicious" item is considered to be in "plain view" authorities will believe the visible item to be "probable cause" and CAN search your home. They do not need a warrant for that. So I suggest if anything is left out that you don't want "noticed", hide it (them) and do not give any officer ANY reason based on probable cause, to search your residence, which could result in a seizure.

I mention this being a law enforcement major, and from experience.
Do NOT open your door, until you know, "the coast is clear".

[NcPrisonGuard]

I mention this being a law enforcement major, and from experience.
Do NOT open your door, until you know, "the coast is clear".
Yep.. I've got a few inmates here at the facility where I work that are in for things very similar to that. I wouldn't let anyone with a badge in without prior notice or a warrant.

[PIt4life]

i like Animal Planet, but sometimes things can get annoying.
I think i saw the K9 Boot camp, once...

[WWII]

I've heard of some instances where the law can come in when they want, then get the warrant later. I forget what it's called, but there's been a couple stories about it. Maybe it has something to do with the PATRIOT ACT. Anyway, I also saw part of that K9 boot camp show. They had the dog's core temperature up to 106F, and his throat collapsed. The thing I couldn't understand is that his throat had collapsed previously, so why didn't they just retire him since they knew it could've happened again? He also had some short term blindness. After he recovered he was retired though.

[missybee16]

Pretty acurate when they say only 2 usually makes it.

[ABK]

I saw the show & while some was accurate, some was not.

I was an Air Force cop stationed at Lackland AFB. While I was a "straight-leg" (not K9) I did work on a volunteer basis w/ MWD programs in both Korea & the middle east, as well as being exposed to MWD trainees & the MWD program at Lackland.

The USAF does not breed pups for their program, they actually import young adult dogs from Europe. So the puppies & puppy raiser thing is false. And most MWDs who are unsuitable for military work are euthed. It is actually the policy of the USAF to NOT adpot out MWDs b/c they are dangerous.

A few do get homes, but those dogs are very few & far inbetween. In fact, most handlers will tell you that while they have an awesome bond w/ their dog, they'd never put the dog in a household environment.

They put that puppy raiser & adoption thing in the show b/c lately the USAF has gotten a lot of flak for their MWD "retirement policy" (i.e. green needle) & they wanted to give folks the warm fuzzies.

As for them letting the dog get too hot, if you saw some of the things those dogs went through some of you on here would probably scream in horror.

And I don't know if they showed this or not, but MDW handlers did NOT always tend their dogs. Mucking Medina (the MWD facility) was actually used as a punishment for straight-legs!

Luckily, I never had to do it b/c they pulled cards by alphabetical order & my maiden name was Zak! That was the one & only time my name ever paid off for me in the military. But if they'd have ever started at the end of the alphabet, I'd have been screwed!

lol.

[14rock]

I could as much as figure that "adoption" program was almost strictly for the media and do-gooders. ABK-they do import dogs as I'm sure you know, but according to the show, just recently, they have opened up their own breeding facility so they do not have to import as much. Is this also false?

[Riptora]

I thought the military did breed dogs? maybe not. They also have many animals donated by breeders.

Rock- Animals used to be euthed by the government, but I guess they recently started allowing adoptions. There was a huge stink raised by the public and by veterins when the dogs' fates were revealed. Most of the working dogs are moved to different bases and used again and again, but a lot of them are just adopted out. There's a lot of orgs and web pages for these dogs. You can even fill out an application online to adopt one! but these dogs pretty much go to veterens who worked with them in the past. Assistance animals who do not make the grade are also available for adoption through various orgs. These animals have a lot of support and probably make incredible pets. I'm sure a lot of them are still euthed from time to time, but things are MUCH brighter for these animals.

[PIT_DOMINATION]

i seen the show the other night when it came on. it was pretty good but what was up with there dogs getting heat stroke and whatever else. that doesnt seem like a very good breed of dog but what would i know im not in the military.

[NCPatchwork]

I'm not too sure Military wise...but my friend is going as an Animal Care Specialist...maybe he wouldknow..I'll post when I find out.

[Riptora]

I didn't read ABK's whole post before I posted mine, so now I feel like a dumb a$$. I believe ABK probably knows what he/she is talking about.
I'm always interested in the military dogs. What little I know about them I learned from web sites dedicated to them and whatever I've learned from the history of Dobermans because I'm a dobe fancier. I had a friend who was much older than me and told me that he knew a guy who smuggled his malinois after the war. He said that they gave the dog heroin while it was in the war and that he had to buy the drug in the US to keep the dog from freaking out... sounds like a load of crap to me, but interesting story none the less.

[Attila]

They stated that some get adopted out most don't however. I used to raise German Shepherds and held a contract for the Military and another Government agency. We also had dogs trained for Special Forces use but I highly doubt they ever became adoptable after retired from service. Maybe if it went with the handler it would work but I just can't see it happening very often. I did watch the show. I found it normal and with some degree of fact. Remember that anything Military becomes powder coated when it is displayed to the public. However the dogs have to be able to handle extreme conditions. But the military does use more than one specific breed. MP's tend to use German Shepherds more than the Special Operations units. But we used them also and for some of the same reasons. Both use them for more than was displayed on that show. That was for drug and explosive detection. We used dogs for explosives, chemical, enemy and other detections. Some times for direct combat with enemy and possibly there canine soldiers. Even some of the MP dogs do take downs and hold. I was always impressed with the skill of the handlers and of their dogs in the Military. Some of the other Government agencies did well also some not. I am bias though. Some times even mutts are used. there are some very good post on this thread. Thanks for starting it Rock. Oh and on the police comming in your house unwarranted. I believe if you stay ligitimate you would have less chance of that but you never know. I don't allow many people to intrude on my privacy and land. About 3 people know how to find me and they call first as I am usually watching any one through a scope that tresspasses on my land. I don't like tresspassers. Don't even like the smell of em. If I don't know or expect a person to stop by I assume they are my enemy and mean to do harm or have ill intensions. Ya I am one of those kind of Veterans. Too much time in the bush and don't trust no one not even myself. Trust only in God.