Question About APBT & Amer. Staffs

[pit_collision]

I was wanting to know if anyone could tell me if there was a difference between an APBT and an American Staffordshire Terrrier and if there is, could you tell me the differences (all of them if you can). The reason being, someone told me that all APBT and American Staffs are alike and considered to all be a "pit". If anyone can help I would really appreciate it. Thank You.

[semo]

do a little research on the forums and you will learn a lot ;)

APBT and AM staff are similar, but people will argue that an apbt that is not bred for game is an AM staff.....but typically there a definite difference in the appearance of an AM staff and an APBT standards wise. Am staff is generally shorter and stockier. But people can argue all day long , there are dogs that "look the same as the game bred dogs", but dont look like your typical AM staff.. but with registries it gets tricky on what people can get away with.

Here are a couple of pictures that might help.

Here is the AKC standard of what I would call an AM staff
http://www.ukcpitbull.com/lg_artwork.jpg


Here is teh ADBA standard for an APBT you will notice they are more lean and athletic.
http://www.ukcpitbull.com/ADBA-shape-red-ace-6.jpg


and then the UKC standards, I consider this to be more APBT looking than AM staff.
http://www.ukcpitbull.com/0trinity4-11-01.jpg


Just remember there are a lot of dogs mixxed with other breeds that they are passing off as "pit bulls"....and there is a lot of debate and like i said, a lot of people here probably would consider an apbt bred for game = an apbt
but an apbt raised for looks or show is an AM staff.

I like to stand in the middle...I have seen some nice looking show dogs that dont have "am staff" blood...




most of your "bully" dogs are more from an AM staff from what i understand.


In time you will get an eye for things , I was confused at first myself.

hope this helps at least a little bit,

[semo]

here is a better pic of what i would consider an AM staff...

just think not as athletic / shorter / stockier/ broader chest

http://www.pet.gen.tr/2002/dogs_pics/dogs_71.jpg

http://www.pieskie-zycie.za.pl/teriery_teriery_typu_bull/_images/american_staffordshire_terrier2.jpg

[pit_collision]

Thank you for your advice. I really appreciate it.

[Patch O' Pits]

Amstaffs are APBTs under an alias with AKC.

AKC started registering APBTs as Amstaffs and then closed their stud books. They didn't want to be associated w/ the name APBT. They have a slightly different standards in all three registries but all the dogs go back to the same thing. There are AKC ogs that can certainly pass for ADBA dogs and visa versa. It all really depends on how they are bred more so than what the registry is IMO.

AKC dogs can be dual and even triple registered with UKC and ABDA. So really the only true way to tell some apart is their paper work though some may disagree

This is a debate that will go on forever

some sites to help you are
www.apbtconformation.com (http://www.apbtconformation.com)
www.realpitbull.com (http://www.realpitbull.com)

[davidlau_2002]

semo: the second pic of the three you posted is actually a widely known staff show dog. Here is teh ADBA standard for an APBT you will notice they are more lean and athletic.
http://www.ukcpitbull.com/ADBA-shape-red-ace-6.jpg

[pit_collision]

So what you're basically saying is that APBT are all the same except for those that are AKC registered, please let me know cause I'm confused. I thought AM Staff's were differently bred than APBT's like said in an earlier reply. Im trying to also figure out if my dogs an Am Staff or APBT. If you would take a look at her in my gallery and let me know what you think, I would really appreciate it also.

[NCPatchwork]

Yeah..and if I remember correctly...you can't have AmStafs in UKC because they are the same breed as the Pit..I could be wrong though

[davidlau_2002]

look at your ped and you will be able to tell if the dog is in fact closer to an apbt or an amstaff. can you post the ped?

[Shon]

American Staffordshire Terriers (AmStaffs or ASTs) are bred for looks, orginally to "look" like their fighting ancestors, but have recently emerged into "fads" such as: oversized heads, short and stocky, a specific color (i.e.: blue, merle, all white...) and typically, simply for money. American Pit Bull Terriers are bred to perform to the function of those ancestors and are performance, working dogs. There is a major difference between ASTs and APBTs, they used to be basically the same breed, but as per their breed standard, as a different breed, they are only "similar" by their so-called "bully" look, if there really is such a thing.

[houstonapbt]

I've posted this plenty of times, but it don't get more simple.

AST = Show bred version of APBT
APBT = GAME (working/performance) bred animal

[pit_collision]

look at your ped and you will be able to tell if the dog is in fact closer to an apbt or an amstaff. can you post the ped?Unfortunately I don't have a ped for her, I got her free from a byb in Texas and neither one of the parents had peds. I'm really not interested in her bloodline because she's a good, loyal, dog and that's all I want from her.

[Boss' Mom]

Unfortunately I don't have a ped for her, I got her free from a byb in Texas and neither one of the parents had peds. I'm really not interested in her bloodline because she's a good, loyal, dog and that's all I want from her.
There's no way to tell for sure by looking at a picture of her, you can guess, but you won't know for sure. As said by other people, the difference between AmStaffs and APBTs is show vs. go. APBTs tend to be leaner and more athletic than AmStaffs, then again a lot of people couldn't tell the difference between a lean nice looking staff and an APBT.