altered dogs??

[PIT_DOMINATION]

for the ones that have had their dogs ALTERED. have you seen any changes in the dog??

[Aceman]

for the ones that have had their dogs ALTERED. have you seen any changes in the dog??
Just had my pup done a few days ago. I do not see any changes in him as of yet.

[purplepig]

for the ones that have had their dogs ALTERED.
Ah...... Just WHAT are we speaking about? "ALTERED", ... that sounds kinda....scary. Are you saying...like...a ....sex-change?





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[PIT_DOMINATION]

spayed.... not being able to breed.

[purplepig]

spayed.... not being able to breed.
I was joking!!

I have always noticed them getting fat and round. Was told that if they are done before 1st heat it makes this effect better.
J

[davidlau_2002]

loss in muscular build and skin tone seems looser. marking territory is gone and drooling while smelling female scent is gone. he was neutered at 1 years old and his drive to hump females and other toys is completely gone. his aggressiveness has toned down in certain situations but in others it has stayed completely the same. i would say that neutering only curbs aggression while female heat. but during aggressive play that excalates into fights, this seems to not calm my dog down one bit. he also has certain other dogs that he did not like before the neutering and still does not like even after. but it definitely does affect his muscle tone and muscle size. this may sound even wierder but after he was neutered he looks taller but that could be the loss in muscle tone. he looks lankier and thinner.

[JCleve86]

It's likely that people notice dogs getting "fat and lazy" after a spay or neuter because generally most folks get dogs fixed around 1 year...maybe 2. Really, after this age is when the dogs start to slow down naturally as they mature...fixing them has nothing (or very, very little) to do with it. Both of my dogs were fixed at 4 months and I didn't note any changes in behavior. And both are in excellent condition now at 3 years old...condition has a LOT more to do with what your feeding your dog, how your exercising him, and of course genetics than it has to do with whether or not he has balls.

I went to search for some pictures of fixed dogs in excellent condition, but couldn't locate them. Hopefully bahamutt will be along soon and post pics of her spayed girl Loki for me...the dog is stunning. I wouldn't say spaying her slowed her down one bit!

SO...to the OP...there are generally no noticable changes in a dog after being altered. In *some* cases it may cut down on dog aggro IF the aggro is rooted in hormones (male dogs trying to be dominant with other male dogs, etc.). It will also cut down on the likelihood of your dog wanting to roam to find a mate, and will eliminate any stress or um...unwanted behaviors...resulting from male dogs smelling females in heat (which they can detect from miles away). So if anything, it may cut down on unwanted behaviors, and also completely eliminates the risk of unwanted litters, either yours or your neighbors.

[Verderben]

The dog we have that is spayed almost immediately blew up and looks like a damn foot stool. She has been cut down to 1 CUP of food a day ( I cant cut her down anymore) and gets walked daily and runs in the yard with the other dogs as best she can but since she is so fat its hard for her to keep going. and she just keeps getting fatter. I feel bad for her and its my fault she is that way because I am the one that insisted on getting her fixed.

[LuvinBullies]

for the ones that have had their dogs ALTERED. have you seen any changes in the dog??
Absolutely- my adolescent pittie, Dante, has every desireable personality trait a bully should have except for one thing: Balls to the wall, all systems go HYPER 24/7. This slightly annoying traint, coupled with the fact that he isn't registered, moved us to have him neutered. Now his indoor manners are much better and more manageable (still a bit of a live wire when the others get going). He still routinely executes a perfect 6 ft wall jump/run sideways maneuver on our 8 foot privacy fence just for fun, but at least that's outside...:o)

--BETH

[bahamutt99]

Loki started putting on weight after her spay, but I increased her exercise and eased up on some of the extras I was giving her, and she looks good now. No change in her basic temperament.

[ABK]

The dog we have that is spayed almost immediately blew up and looks like a damn foot stool. She has been cut down to 1 CUP of food a day ( I cant cut her down anymore) and gets walked daily and runs in the yard with the other dogs as best she can but since she is so fat its hard for her to keep going. and she just keeps getting fatter. I feel bad for her and its my fault she is that way because I am the one that insisted on getting her fixed.
High Volatage - I would take her to the vet for a full check up including a blood panel if you haven't already. Massive weight gain is NOT supposed to be a by-product of having a dog S/N & there may be an underlying medical cause for your girl's gaining so much weight.

[pennsooner]

Since I got Stockey from the shelter and he didn't get nutered till he was 6, he acts much like an un-nutered male. He is still VERY interested in girl dogs and at 11 years old is still hardly fat. Pics in my gallery are of him at 10.

[Boss' Mom]

I got Boss fixed at 6 months old. He hasn't changed one little bit...except he doesn't try to hump anything and everything anymore. Thank God cause he was gross, I've never had a dog that wasn't altered before. All the dogs I've ever had were spayed/neutered, and they did not get fat, lose drive or anything ridiculous like that. They just stopped humping stuff.

[BoiBoi]

Funny thing is i hear people saying that there dogs hump things before they are fixed, but my dog isn't fixed and he has never humped anything. Humping is a sign of dominence so im guessing because I'm always dominant over my dog he never humps things. He plays with my neighbors apbt who tries to hump him sometimes but my dog justs pushes him off.

[Boss' Mom]

Funny thing is i hear people saying that there dogs hump things before they are fixed, but my dog isn't fixed and he has never humped anything. Humping is a sign of dominence so im guessing because I'm always dominant over my dog he never humps things. He plays with my neighbors apbt who tries to hump him sometimes but my dog justs pushes him off.
Yeah humping is a sign of dominance when a dog isn't humping because they're horny lol. Boss would hump pillows, his stuffed animals, people's legs (not mine) other dogs. As soon as he got fixed, all this behaviour stopped. He is a dominant dog, but he is also confident and he has never humped another person or dog since he got fixed.

[jessiepbg]

I was working with a Shepherd that was really bad about guarding his territory from anyone and everyone. He would do exactly what he wanted to do, when he wanted to do it. He was neutered at 5 years old and all the aggressive behavior slowed down. He still is a bit stubborn(and he still pees on everything), but he is controllable now. He didn't gain any weight either. He's just thin as a board and has enough endurance to keep moving all day long. I've seen quite a few un-neutered dogs and many of them were pretty overweight. It's not just whether they are able to mate that affects their weight.

[14rock]

The excessive weight gain/lazy dog myth is a MYTH. There is 100 percent no diffrence between my spayed females personality, attitude, or size before or after the spay.

[purplepig]

well, as to the "myth" of the overweight spayed dogs, my eyes see that the majority of dogs that have been spayed, especially after 1 yr. of age, have gotton round. You say, it's the food, but the diet did not change! What causes it? I dont know. Is it the hormonal difference?, but the fact is that the majority of spayed dogs around here are round. You can see one and ask,"Is the dog spayed?" "Why, yes it is! How did you know?" ah.... because of the plumpness in the body!
J

[14rock]

well, as to the "myth" of the overweight spayed dogs, my eyes see that the majority of dogs that have been spayed, especially after 1 yr. of age, have gotton round. You say, it's the food, but the diet did not change! What causes it? I dont know. Is it the hormonal difference?, but the fact is that the majority of spayed dogs around here are round. You can see one and ask,"Is the dog spayed?" "Why, yes it is! How did you know?" ah.... because of the plumpness in the body!
J

I know just as many hog-fat intact dogs as spayed/neutered slim dogs. Its not a matter of the surgery, its the matter of a owner who allows their dog to eat too much and lay around all day.

Secondly, unless you have exact twins and spay one at birth and dont ever spay the other, you will never know what effect the surgery had! Since this doesnt happen, its all speculation on both ends. All I can tell you is my spayed girl was fatter BEFORE the surgery than after.

[purplepig]

Since this doesnt happen, its all speculation on both ends. .
All I was saying, was what I have speculated, not giving scientific evidence. I am sure that your spayed female is exactly what you have stated. I simply have seen ALOT of females get spayed, after the age of 1 year, who's diet did not change, and exercise did not change, yet their bodies did. That is simply all that I am saying, hence is actually IS my belief that the spaying had a great deal to do with this. This is my belief, as yours is the exact opposite, and that is ok with me that we have two different belief systems. Dont want to get into a religous war over spay/neuter(especially when I dont think I can spell the last one properly!!) I agree, that it is speculation on both ends. I use to subscribe to schools of thought which were taught by people I looked up to, then I opened up my eyes and began to use my own eyes and mind, that is simply what I am applying in this instance. I would quickly change my mind when my eyes begin seeing other things.
Having said all this, what age did you spay your girl?
J

[pepper_mommy]

i had pepper spayed at 8 weeks and a day and she was the same as soon as the drugs wore off. i would advise getting it done as a pup if possible b/c it is supposedly not as hard to recover from.:)

[purplepig]

i had pepper spayed at 8 weeks and a day and she was the same as soon as the drugs wore off. i would advise getting it done as a pup if possible b/c it is supposedly not as hard to recover from.:)
I would agree with you. I have been told that when you do this as a pup, before their first heat, that it makes a tremendous difference in how this proceedure effects the dog.

Has anyone here spayed their dog after a year or so? If so, could you tell us how it effected her?

J

[pennsooner]

I could also use my previous dog, a terrier Bitch named Isis as an example. She got spayed about around 5 yrs. because I was being irresponsable (although I did NOT allow her to get pregnent) anyway, NO DIFFERENCE at all. Hellfire before, hellfire after, no weight gain or change in temperment.

[jessiepbg]

I think someone mentioned this before, but a dog will naturally begin to get thicker at a year to a year and a half. It has nothing to do with the neuter. To once again bring another breed into the equation, Boxers almost always look half-starved until they hit a year or so. Once they are fully grown, they gain weight very quickly if you don't watch them. There were five or six intact pit bulls(RE lines, so they should probably be called AmStaffs)that used to board with the shelter that were absolutely huge. None of it was muscle. There is also an intact Bulldog that boards quite often and is a little thicker than he should be. Hormones rarely come into the equation with weight unless there is a medical condition.

[cemoreno]

my mom's five yr old GSD was spayed at 3mos. and she is only about 3lbs over wieght right now but that's my parents fault they let her lay around and do nothing all day long. They never really even walk her.

[LuvinBullies]

Has anyone here spayed their dog after a year or so? If so, could you tell us how it effected her?
JI had my GSD spayed at about 1 1/2- and she is just as wiry as ever- no real change. We have had a really hard time keeping good weight on her and I hoped the spay might make a difference, but it didn't.
Temperament-wise she lightened up a bit and relaxed around company a bit more. She's still a quirky thing, but that's part of her charm I guess!

BETH

[Boss' Mom]

All I was saying, was what I have speculated, not giving scientific evidence. I am sure that your spayed female is exactly what you have stated. I simply have seen ALOT of females get spayed, after the age of 1 year, who's diet did not change, and exercise did not change, yet their bodies did. That is simply all that I am saying, hence is actually IS my belief that the spaying had a great deal to do with this. This is my belief, as yours is the exact opposite, and that is ok with me that we have two different belief systems. Dont want to get into a religous war over spay/neuter(especially when I dont think I can spell the last one properly!!) I agree, that it is speculation on both ends. I use to subscribe to schools of thought which were taught by people I looked up to, then I opened up my eyes and began to use my own eyes and mind, that is simply what I am applying in this instance. I would quickly change my mind when my eyes begin seeing other things.
Having said all this, what age did you spay your girl?
J
There's a simple explanation for weight gain after 1 yr of age. Metabolism. Most dogs metabolisms start to slow down at that age, that's why you have to watch what they eat and ensure they get enough exercise. Puppies burn fat off very quickly, adult dogs (not all) have slower metabolisms. I'm hoping Boss' will friggin slow down now that he's 12 months, because I've got to feed him more than the maximum recommended amount right now so that he maintains weight. Anyway, spaying a dog at one year of age, will absolutely not make the dog gain weight.

I've only ever had one female dog, she was a dog my mom fostered for awhile, and she was spayed at 1.5 yrs of age. She was still nuts even after she was spayed, that mutt never stopped running. Also, our family dog, Bear (lab/newfoundland cross), was neutered at one year of age, and the only difference was he seemed to be a little less territorial, and he stopped trying to run away. He did not gain weight...well until he got pretty old like when he was 7 or 8.

[missybee16]

I've never noticed any changes in my dogs. Precious, I will not count as, she's had 2 previous owners before me. I do run them all daily, it helps alot.

[purplepig]

Just thought it was common knowledge that a dog grows tall the first year, and wide the second.(I am not very knowledgeable of other breeds, but all the bulldogs I have had, this is the general way things go, That doesnt mean that they are sticks at 9 or 10 months, but simply that they get their height by the 1st bday, and then grow wider, not like a barrel) I have never had a spayed bulldog, and I have never had a fat, lazy one either. I have never seen a dog with the barrel look to it that was not spayed. Sorry it doesnt fit the belief of the majority, but I call 'em like I see 'em.
Look, you wana pick apart what I say, that would be something that a little child can do. I am sure that there are many reading this that have seen MANY spayed females begin to sing "Roll Out The Barrel"!!

In case you didnt know, I am joking!!Ha Ha
J

I also heard from someone that if you spay your dog, y9ou should feed it boiled crawfish once a month to keep the weight down. Ever heard of this?

[mikelia]

My GSD bitch I used to have was spayed at 5 yrs after a nasty Csection and we lost all the pups (breeding is NOT fun sometimes) and she continued to compete in IWPA weight pull, do sledding, protection, running. She was severely dog aggressive her whole life and having her spayed changed that not one bit at all. She was just as active as ever, never fat a day in her life. We always had a hard time keeping weight on her.
Both my dogs are altered right now. Sweetie was when I got her, but you'd never know. She is in good shape, not fat in the least bit. Still extremely extremely high drive and nutty. She is 2.5 yrs.
My other dog Cheddar is a 5yo rottiXbullmastiff and was neutered a few months ago. He did gain weight but I fully beleive it was the gastro food he was on (he had some bloat problems and the rescue put him on the gastro vet food). Its quite high in fat. I have him on EVO now and he is nice and trim, great muscle, perfect weight. He had a LOT of behavioural problems when he came, and his dog aggression has gone down a lot, but most of it has to do with the extensive training he has received since I've gotten him. I do think neutering took the egde off of his DA, mostly the territorial aspect of it. But I have taught him (as with Sweetie) he is not to fight because I say so, I am alpha bitch and I will deal with any problem dogs we may run into, it is not up to him to. With this understanding, he has settled down a lot. But I don't think it has much to do with his being neutered.

[paranoia]

If you live in the city it’s probably a good idea to S/N your dog it does calm them down.



Everybody’s genetic make up is different and therefore the effects of hormones can vary depending on that animal or persons genetic makeup, Although some things are physiological and your dog maybe be badass, but if you lose the attitude most of he time their goes the your heart/will/game. This is also why some body builders put on more size than others even if their taking the same steroids and doing everything else the same their receptor sites just don’t activate like the other guys.

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S/N does affect your dog if you get it done before he has matured yes you wont notice much because you will never know what his attitude or muscle would have been like.

How many of you guys have worked with or owned breeding stallions they are dangerous and crazy. It sure is nice once you do castrate them. It calms tem down allot you will also notice they lose the puffiness, attitude and muscle mass. In laymen’s terms the higher your testosterone levels are the = more muscle mass, more strength, faster recovery, more aggression, increases nutrient uptake, increases protein synthesis, burns more calories, water retention, increased blood pressure ect,ect. It’s what separates the men from the boys. If you disagree with me research it. If that isn’t enough take some of the strong testosterones like testosterone enanthate, testosterone cypionate anadriol, dianabol or testosterone suspension for 12 weeks then post how you felt before during and after.

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I had to get my 13yr old male neutered after he was attacked by coyotes luckily I was outside and heard the commotion out in the pasture they bit his back legs sphincter and testicles. The doc gave me antibiotics for him but his testicles got infected and he got a bad skin rash being old he couldn’t fight off the infection. He was castrated after his testicles swelled to the size of oranges and I had to put something on his skin for about 3 months. About a month after I noticed he did lose some size especially in his head the bone at the top back part of his head started to stick out allot especially after 2 months.

[14rock]

Riley was spayed at about 7 months of age.

[BoiBoi]

Riley was spayed at about 7 months of age.
Yo rock, why don't u have any pics of ur dogs up?

[14rock]

I dont know how many times folks have been found stealing pics from members on the site, and getting them into all sorts of trouble. The last straw, when I deleted all the pics, was when Marty and Shons pictures were stolen and posted on a "fight fantasy" board, with the thief claiming to be the owner of the dogs and trying to find a fight for them.

[BoiBoi]

damn i didn't realize that was goin on, i feel ur concern.

[Pitbull219]

My oldest female was fixed after her first heat. She didn't slow down a bit! Our second girl was fixed at a younger age, before she ever went into heat. She always seemed a bit more docile than Passion, and ended up being built like a male. Of course, she was a rescue that had been hit by a car so we really don't know if she's from larger dogs, or even pure pit at all.....although she seems to be.

[purplepig]

I found this on the web

Fiction: Neutered or spayed dogs and cats become fat.
Fact: It's true that many neutered pets tend to become obese as the result of hormonal changes and a quieter life style. However, this can be prevented. Keep a watchful eye on your pet's body condition and adjust its diet accordingly. Many times eliminating table scraps from its diet will solve the problem. If necessary, reduce the amount of pet food offered by no more than one-fourth the usual amount. In addition to diet management, encourage your pet to exercise. Regular walks and play time with your dog, and regular play periods with your cat should help prevent obesity.

So to say that spaying has no effect on the weight of the dog is wrong. Hormonal changes AND a quieter lifestyle. So, as my wife told me when we discussed this, hormonal changes do effect weight. Also if the dog had slowed down "quieter lifestyle", as a result of the spaying!! So, ... if you spay an older dog(over a year) and change nothing as to their diet or exercise, they will PROBABLY get the barrel look. I did say probably.
J

[LuvinBullies]

The last straw, when I deleted all the pics, was when Marty and Shons pictures were stolen and posted on a "fight fantasy" board, with the thief claiming to be the owner of the dogs and trying to find a fight for them.Ignorance knows no bounds, eh? A wise decision on your part, but unfortunate you felt it necessary because of losers. Also, if a legal outfit lurked on a board like that, it would be your dogs on the look-out profile, not anyone elses. Pretty scary.

[purplepig]

I dont know how many times folks have been found stealing pics from members on the site, and getting them into all sorts of trouble. The last straw, when I deleted all the pics, was when Marty and Shons pictures were stolen and posted on a "fight fantasy" board, with the thief claiming to be the owner of the dogs and trying to find a fight for them.
Please dont take this in the wrong way, as i really want to know, What kind of trouble did they get into?

J
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[14rock]

Nothing was done about the website they were posted on, Marty and Shon cleared it up and made it clear it wasn't them, and we banned the member who did it multiple times. They had a tendency to come back, pretend to own some dogs, lie their face off, and then we would find them all over the web using game-dog.com members pics as dogs of their own. As for actual legal trouble, none officially, but what would of happened to Marty and Shon if they hadn't of been tipped off in time, and authorities acted on the fight fantasy site? If they would of lost their dogs because pictures of them were on the net, with some idiot claiming to be the owner and claiming to be opening weights and saying he/she would kick every dogs ass basically. Those that I trust, have seen my dogs ;)

[purplepig]

I found this on the web

Fiction: Neutered or spayed dogs and cats become fat.
Fact: It's true that many neutered pets tend to become obese as the result of hormonal changes and a quieter life style. However, this can be prevented. Keep a watchful eye on your pet's body condition and adjust its diet accordingly. Many times eliminating table scraps from its diet will solve the problem. If necessary, reduce the amount of pet food offered by no more than one-fourth the usual amount. In addition to diet management, encourage your pet to exercise. Regular walks and play time with your dog, and regular play periods with your cat should help prevent obesity.

So to say that spaying has no effect on the weight of the dog is wrong. Hormonal changes AND a quieter lifestyle. So, as my wife told me when we discussed this, hormonal changes do effect weight. Also if the dog had slowed down "quieter lifestyle", as a result of the spaying!! So, ... if you spay an older dog(over a year) and change nothing as to their diet or exercise, they will PROBABLY get the barrel look. I did say probably.
J
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[Luke.UK]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/spaying

Well from what i`ve just read i do agree with your posts.
SometimeS animals can get bigger.

liked the "roll out the barrel"joke:)