First dual Grand Champion? Big Brag

[bahamutt99]

Man, and I was there when she got the cup that made her an ADBA Grand. Big congrats to Persephone - UKC/ADBA GRCH UWPCH Reloaded's Persephone of Matrix, OFAca. She was in great shape yesterday and won over a big class of nice-looking dogs. And I think its pretty sweet that the first dual Grand is a natural-eared rednose/red. (Gives me hope since that's the kind of dog I prefer above all else.)

Kudos go out to Casey and Keisha, the owners; Scot and Diana (http://www.matrixkennels.com), the breeders; the 89ers APBT Club for putting on an awesome show (even if Loki got dumped in Judge's Choice :P); and Roger Scott who put the drop-dead redhead up.

I'm attaching some pics of the gorgeous girl. The two outside pics were taken yesterday, at the show site in Norman OK.

[Patch O' Pits]

Woo hoo that is great news! I always liked that dog! Thanks for sharing!

[CB]

Man that first judge that is a little heavy sucks at judging pretty bad. I was at a show 2 weeks ago and the only dogs that won were UKC looking dogs and Red/rednose dogs. This was a ADBA show i was at and he didnt go by the ADBA standard if you ask me. But great job on the win.

[laurajean]

What a beauty! The owners and breeders must be busting with pride in her and their hard work.

[simms]

Man that first judge that is a little heavy sucks at judging pretty bad. I was at a show 2 weeks ago and the only dogs that won were UKC looking dogs and Red/rednose dogs. This was a ADBA show i was at and he didnt go by the ADBA standard if you ask me. But great job on the win.
Yeah, sometimes you have to wonder what they see that us reg folk dont....LOL

[MASON]

Send congrats to Reloaded Kennels on their win. Here in VA, the handler better bring his/her "A" game if they are showing a rednose dog in a UKC ring, well deserved. I just started showing ADBA about a few months ago, would have placed at the last show but Cutty was at UKC weight.

[bahamutt99]

Thanks everybody. They're very proud of Persephone right now, I'd imagine. I know I'd be feeding that dog a fat raw meaty bone for her job well done. :)

Re: "UKC-looking" dogs. Persephone is a dog that won on both sides; is she UKC-looking or ADBA-looking? There are some damn nice dogs competing in ADBA, and I wish more folks on "that side" would train their dogs to stack and gait, and compete UKC. Conversely, there are some damn nice UKC dogs out there. The registry shouldn't dictate how the dog looks or performs. A good dog is a good dog, irrespective of the registering body listed on his papers.

Not trying to argue or hijack my own post. I just wish the rancor in between folks of the different registries would stop. Obviously, there are advantages to both, or nobody would cross-register. Maybe if ADBA and UKC people with the same ideals would put their heads together instead of snarking back and forth, some progress would be made.

ETA - CB, the judge you were talking about put up a lot of black dogs Saturday. I didn't see who won BIS, but the opposites dog was a ripped black-nosed red girl.

[Okye]

Good job Casey. And you need to contact me. I got something for ya.

[pennsooner]

Wow, quite an acomplishment. Congratulations all around.

[NCPatchwork]

I have had a few judges like that...sometimes you just have to roll with it....can't win it all.

[CB]

Yeah he likes black dogs alot to that are stocky. I dont see the reason of trying to stack your dog in a ADBA show ring. Of course your dog is going to go crazy lets not forget people these are APBT's not poodles they are dog aggresive so they will and should not like other dogs IMO. I get pissed off when your in the showring and you got these people that have these UKC dogs and sit there and stack all pretty while im sitting there beside them and my dog is going crazy over the dog and i get asked if i could move my dog the other way so it wont mess there dogs stack up. I mean come on get real.

[NCPatchwork]

Yeah..My dog gets interested in other dogs, but I was always told that most judges want them stacked, so there I am, attempting to stack my pup. I like it when the judge just wants them to be themselves.

[CB]

Well when sophi won first place she was going wild and the judge liked that. And when we went to best in show sophi was doing the same thing as she usually does and thats go crazy over other dogs and because i was standing right beside a UKC typed dog that was all stacked pretty the person asked if we could move sophi towards the other direction and we lost. And right after the whole thing the judge came and said if we didnt turn sophi around we would have took hom BIS but since we turned her around and she got calm we lost. So i mean if people dont like that kinda thing then keep your dogs strictly for UKC shows not ADBA. Im not making any excuses either because im proud of my girl for just getting first but damn lol.

[NCPatchwork]

OH yeah...Thats kinda being prejudice towards a dog and its bull....like you said...if you want UKC, keep it UKC...As long as you are responsible for your dog, I don't mind it going crazy...thats what they do.

[Miss Conduct]

Man that first judge that is a little heavy sucks at judging pretty bad. I was at a show 2 weeks ago and the only dogs that won were UKC looking dogs and Red/rednose dogs. This was a ADBA show i was at and he didnt go by the ADBA standard if you ask me. But great job on the win.
SAME THING HERE LAST WEEKEND.

I GOT 1ST IN 18-23 MO. MALES, AND 3RD IN 18-23 MO. FEMALES.

THE BITCH THAT TOOK FIRST DESERVED IT, BUT THE 2ND PLACE FEMALE LOOKED LIKE A PIG IN A BLANKET, AND WAS NOT CORRECT.

I WAS IN THE BIS CLASS W/MY MALE, AND THAT WAS BAD AS WELL. IM NOT BITTER BECAUSE I DIDNT WIN, IM BITTER BECAUSE THE BIS MALE/FEMALE WERE BOTH LARGE AND OVER WEIGHT.

A COWBOY HAD THE BEST LOOKING DOG IN THAT CLASS HANDS DOWN, CORRECT AND FIT... BUT THE JUDGE WALKED RIGHT PAST HIM.

RATHER IRRITATING...

[lonesharkpits]

Well IMO if you can't control your dog then it doesn't belong in the show ring. Why would a judge not want the dog to stack as this is the best way to get a proper perspective on the dog, if your dog has structural flaws that the judge sees when it isn't going crazy then you shouldn't walk away with the win anyway. Like it or not a conformation show is to judge the structure of a dog, if you don't agree with that then don't show. Two dogs facing off less than a foot apart doesn't belong in a show ring, if that's what your into, take it somewhere else. All the wanna-be dogmen who think it looks cool to have a crazy dog in a show ring need to get a life:mad:.

DENNIS

[twiztidpitz]

Man that first judge that is a little heavy sucks at judging pretty bad. I was at a show 2 weeks ago and the only dogs that won were UKC looking dogs and Red/rednose dogs. This was a ADBA show i was at and he didnt go by the ADBA standard if you ask me. But great job on the win.So are you saying Bud is a UKC looking dog?? LOL! He placed first in his class under Rodger Scott and third under Lee Craig. From what our president of the W. Carolina APBT Club said, Rodger judges conformation over condition, and Lee is condition over conformation. Lee told us that Bud would have took first in his class if he was more condtioned. Each judge is diffrent, some judge on the ears if they are natural or cropped, some judge on color like just blacks or buckskins. You get lucky with some and some you don't.

[CB]

So are you saying Bud is a UKC looking dog?? LOL! He placed first in his class under Rodger Scott and third under Lee Craig. From what our president of the W. Carolina APBT Club said, Rodger judges conformation over condition, and Lee is condition over conformation. Lee told us that Bud would have took first in his class if he was more condtioned. Each judge is diffrent, some judge on the ears if they are natural or cropped, some judge on color like just blacks or buckskins. You get lucky with some and some you don't.LoL you know i love bud haha. I dont know it seemed like alot of people didnt agree on who he picked that day. But you cant change nothing.

[bahamutt99]

I stack my girl in the ADBA ring. It allows the judge to see the dog's conformation more easily. I had one judge compliment me for it, and give us Best Rednose. The judge last weekend passed us by, but I couldn't complain because there were a lot of nice dogs in the class.

[pennsooner]

Well IMO if you can't control your dog then it doesn't belong in the show ring. Why would a judge not want the dog to stack as this is the best way to get a proper perspective on the dog, if your dog has structural flaws that the judge sees when it isn't going crazy then you shouldn't walk away with the win anyway. Like it or not a conformation show is to judge the structure of a dog, if you don't agree with that then don't show. Two dogs facing off less than a foot apart doesn't belong in a show ring, if that's what your into, take it somewhere else. All the wanna-be dogmen who think it looks cool to have a crazy dog in a show ring need to get a life:mad:.

DENNIS




I agree strongly with this. Most any dog can be taught to behave themselves for a short period of time. IMO this all goes back to the same flawed thinking that equates extreem dog-aggressivness with gameness when they are NOT them same thing. I wish in ADBA shows they also would look at the dogs movement, gait is important, IMO.

[twiztidpitz]

I agree too pennsooner. I think that some people can teach their dogs to behave just a little. There are certain people that come to all the shows and let their dogs run out and do wild flips in the air, I guess they want to injure their dog. Now Bud has manners, he likes to stand still in the ring but he shows intrest in the other dog beside him with out going absolutly insane. He will bark and have the challenge stance about him (wich alot of judges I've seen like) but i have never had him pull me to get to another dog. I don't mind the dog beside me barking or growling, they are dogs, let them be one to an extent.

[Attila]

Most of my dogs will sit and stay. I have to remind some more than others. Night Shade is the one that will if growled at by another dog will not listen to sit and will challenge any other dog. I have to keep her on a leash at all times unless I am in my fenced in part of my yard and the rest of the dogs are put up. She is Gretchens litter mate but I got her later after the new owner turned her back to the breeder. I have worked with her and made much progress but she can be a hand full. She however doesn't go crazy or jump around she just pulls, barks and growles very fearsomly.

[pitjudge]

Congradulations, that female took both Champion cups this weekend. She has exceptional conformation, was nicely conditioned (obviously road worked as opposed to food deprived). Rodger and Able made excellent choices.

Glad to see UKC judges can appreciate an actual APBT too!

[HBK]

Congradulations, that female took both Champion cups this weekend. She has exceptional conformation, was nicely conditioned (obviously road worked as opposed to food deprived). Rodger and Able made excellent choices.

Glad to see UKC judges can appreciate an actual APBT too!

Thats funny. She hasn't been worked in at least 4 months actually:o I've been car pooling with them to the shows the last year and she is one nice bitch! If anyone knows ADBA judges these two guys are probably two of the best. Roger Scott is currently the most requested ADBA judge and he knows a thing or two about these dogs in and out of the ring.

[CB]

I think alot of ADBA judges want to see the natural bulldog in the dogs with good structure. Now i can stack my dog all day with other dogs around and she will stay there until a dog barks at her. Thats why when the judge comes to look at the dog she gets stacked and stays and when the judge leaves I let her be a dog and do whatever. These are pit bulls not chihuhuas there suppose to go wild over another dog and challenge them its natural.

[bahamutt99]

Going nuts over another dog isn't really relevant to what they were bred for, IMO. They may not be Chihuahuas, but I hold my dog to a higher standard than anybody's Chi anyway. If she's at a show, she's there to do a job (whether that job is pulling a cart or just standing still). Forget what the other dogs are doing. Dogs raging back and forth while their owner stands there and holds the very end of the leash is just bad PR to me.