creatine and amino acid suppliments???

[BFKENNEL]

Could you guys please give your opinions in using amino acids and creatine suppliments in conditioning your dog. What would be the side effects? Thanks & more power...;) PEACE

[AC]

I vouch for those products but please do be careful with the dosage! Creatine must be given in something sweet such as a banana/honey blend or something to that affect. It will bring the glucose level way down. The amino acids are awesome I was giving one capsule a day to several dogs and saw great results.

[SWAMPER]

Red Cell And Winstrol V Are The Shit Along With Creatine But Be Carefull Of The Dosage Its Tricky

[XxKonnectionsxX]

Why would anyone want to give their dog human supplements? Wouldn't it be better if you just fed your dogs really well and just gave them the proper exercise or workout regimen to get them where they should be? I'm just curious.

[SWAMPER]

Why would anyone want to give their dog human supplements? Wouldn't it be better if you just fed your dogs really well and just gave them the proper exercise or workout regimen to get them where they should be? I'm just curious.


WELL I HOPE IM NOT WRONG HERE BUT WINSTROL V IS FOR ANIMAL USE ONLY ITS NOT FOR HUMANS AS I HAVE SEEN IT USED BY HUMANS THOUGH CREATINE IS JUST A SUPPLEMENT NOT NEAR THE POWER OF WINSTROL.IT BASICALLY BURNS THE FAT OFF THE DOG AND MAKES A VERY GOOD KEEP AND ALOT OF POWER LIKE A B$#%H .ALSO THE JAW IS A MUSCLE IF IT IS WORKED WHILE ON WINSTROL IT WILL GAIN MORE STRENGHT.AND RED CELL IS JUST A SUPER CONCENTRATED VITIMAN FOR RACEING HORSES.CREATINE IS FOR HUMANS BUT IT WILL HELP THE DOG A LIL OR CERTAIN DOGS.I AGREE IT SHOULD BE KEPT TO A NATURL KEEP BUT IF HE OR SHE IS MISSING A LIL SOMETHING TRY IT N SEE WHAT YOU THINK.ITS ALL TRAIL N ERROR HOPE I DIDNT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE AND THIS IS JUST WHAT I LEARNED BUT HEY I ONLY BEEN IN THEM 3 YRS STRONG

[Bubba]

WELL I HOPE IM NOT WRONG HERE BUT WINSTROL V IS FOR ANIMAL USE ONLY ITS NOT FOR HUMANS AS I HAVE SEEN IT USED BY HUMANS THOUGH CREATINE IS JUST A SUPPLEMENT NOT NEAR THE POWER OF WINSTROL.IT BASICALLY BURNS THE FAT OFF THE DOG AND MAKES A VERY GOOD KEEP AND ALOT OF POWER LIKE A B$#%H .ALSO THE JAW IS A MUSCLE IF IT IS WORKED WHILE ON WINSTROL IT WILL GAIN MORE STRENGHT.AND RED CELL IS JUST A SUPER CONCENTRATED VITIMAN FOR RACEING HORSES.CREATINE IS FOR HUMANS BUT IT WILL HELP THE DOG A LIL OR CERTAIN DOGS.I AGREE IT SHOULD BE KEPT TO A NATURL KEEP BUT IF HE OR SHE IS MISSING A LIL SOMETHING TRY IT N SEE WHAT YOU THINK.ITS ALL TRAIL N ERROR HOPE I DIDNT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE AND THIS IS JUST WHAT I LEARNED BUT HEY I ONLY BEEN IN THEM 3 YRS STRONGWinstrol is for horse consumption, and its a steroid that should only be used if you TRULY know what you are doing, or it can lead to your dog running hot. They make a canine red cell that is similiar to the horse red cell, it is a souce of vitamins, true enough, but its main job is its packed with iron, can help if you have a dog thats somewhat anemic.
Human grade supplements are a good choice, in my opinion, tho could be somewhat more costly, but the ingredients will be superior in grade than "dog" supplements as to be a human supplement it has to be FDA approved.
BB

[AC]

I don't use red cell. I use visorbin (http://www.vetamerica.com/visorbin.html) or lixotinic (http://www.pfizerah.com/product_overview.asp?drug=LY&country=US&lang=EN&species=EQ) both are excellent products. I also use it in conjunction to cypionate (http://www.steroids.com/Testosterone_Cypionate.htm) I can get it for people who need it but they must be serious and know what they are doing! I won't help you kill your dog! With these items I've been successful and plan to keep being so. PM me if you have any questions.

[Bubba]

I use the lixotonic myself, the red cell tho is basically the same, just not as high quality...

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[B-I-Z]

How much does that lixotonic cost?

[AC]

Bout 54 dollars a gallon.

[B-I-Z]

Bout 54 dollars a gallon.
damn redcell's like 9 lol

[Bubba]

Ya' get what you pay for, plus, the red cell comes in a much smaller container, like she said Lixotonic is a gallon size container, and if you are getting red cell in a gallon for 9 bux you are doing very well....
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[SWAMPER]

My 1 Gal Of Red Cell Cost 25 Bucks,i Would Love To Know More About The Other Things Mentioned I Would Love To Try Them.

[Bubba]

http://www.revivalanimal.com/index.cfm?Detail=1&Product_ID=2230

There ya go, take a look for yourself :-D
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[powder925]

if you plan to use steriods I would stay away from winstrol because it dries out the joints and increases the risk of injury.Anavar would be a better choice or even EQ.EQ also increase red blood cell production which would increase stamina.

[Crash97]

Hey I'm not sure if I'm takin this out of context or misunderstanding it or just plain 'ol bein ignorant, but why would some one need to use juice on their dog. IMO if my dog can't win without bein juiced I got the wrong damn dog. Please set me straight if I'm off course or something. Thanks

[AC]

Because the competition is doing it and it gives them an advantage in the woods. Might as well make it fair right?

[blackbeard]

I agree, human supplements would be the way to go. Not much reliable research has been done on the effects of these products on dogs. Our dogs go through a unique training regimen unlike any other breed, which means that the majority of the recommended dosages out there are based on someone elses trial and error. I suggest you begin working your dogs naturally with just a high quality diet. This way you will know what each dog has to offer naturally. Then you begin to experiment with different things at low dosages so you can later increase it if you feel the need. Try to use just one thing at a time so you can see what it actually does. Plus I feel that mixing a lot of these things together affects your dog more than it is helping it. For example you will surely have trouble controling your dogs hydration levels. What I mean is that sometimes he needs to be drier than at other times.There is no substitute for a good conditioning program, I don't care what you use. Many a good dog have lived shorter lives because of inappropriate use of these products.

[AC]

I agree liver and kidneys go through a lot of stress in the hunt. IV fluids are a must when using things that are the main reason for the damage.

[wild rose]

there is a line of suppliments out there just made for dogs.I used the amino acids on my dog a boudreaux/jeep pit.The results are awsome.I think you can only get the stuff in canada but here's the name BIOLOGIC VETnx.They make the amino and creatine just for dogs so you don't have to worry about the dosage.

[ROK QUARRI]

I've mixed small amounts of creatine in the food and had excellent results. I don't know about all that other stuff. I'm afraid of the long term affects.

[xXThe_SeekerXx]

http://www.geocities.com/dogged247365/CREATINE.html

[xXThe_SeekerXx]

mybad I was gona post this one also http://www.geocities.com/dogged247365/Supplements.html

[Onac]

Could you guys please give your opinions in using amino acids and creatine suppliments in conditioning your dog. What would be the side effects? Thanks & more power...;) PEACE
YOU GUYS KNOW ME, I CAN BE LONG WINDED. BUT THIS TIME I HAVE GOOD REASON. I WROTE THIS ON ANOTHER BOARD AT PEDS ONLINE. SO I WILL JUST COPY AND PASTE. BUT ID YOU GET THE CHANCE TAKE A LOOK AT PEDS ONLINE CONDITIONING SECTION.

THIS IS MERELY TO INFORM ANYONE THAT VIEWS THIS. NOT TO START OR PICK FIGHTS. I HAVE NOTICED THE USE OF CREATINE IN THIS KEEP AND WISH TO ASK A FEW SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
CREATINE IS (STORE BOUGHT) IS DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY THAT ALL MOST EVERY HUMAN THAT CONSUMES AND UTILIZES CREATINE, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THREE BASIC PRINCIPALS IN MIND.
LOADING PHASE
MAINTENANCE PHASE
AND
WASHOUT PHASE.
HUMAN DOSING IS AS FOLLOWS:
Obviously, an individual's capacity to store creatine should ultimately depend on the amount of muscle mass they possess. For this reason exactly you should adjust your creatine dose to match your bodyweight (a rough approximation of muscle mass). According to Hultman et al. (4) during the loading phase take 0.3 grams of creatine monohydrate for each kilogram you weigh. The maintenance dose is 10-times less, or 0.03 grams of creatine monohydrate per kilogram of body weight. To calculate you creatine dose in pounds simply divide your bodyweight in pounds by 2.2; 1 kilogram = 2.2 pounds. In other words, an "average" sized male of 154 pounds, weighs 70 kilograms, or 154 divided 2.2. The next step is to multiply your weight in kilos by the appropriate dose. For example, our average person would load with 21 grams of creatine monohydrate per day (0.3 x 70 = 21) and maintain with 2.1 grams of creatine monohydrate daily (0.03 x 70 = 2.1).

SO I WILL ASK QUESTION ONE, HOW HAVE YOU COME UP WITH THIS 1 TSP. PER DAY?
QUESTION TWO:
WHERE IS THE LOADING PHASE FOR THE DOG IN YOUR KEEP.
THE WASHOUT PERIOD:
IN HUMANS THE WASHOUT PERIOD IS SUCH:
Today it is frequently advised that a washout-out phase be incorporated following the maintenance phase. The wash out phase is an addendum to the original supplementing method of Hultman, Greenhaff and colleagues and is merely a precautionary measure just in case there are any adverse consequences to creatine use. I personally recommend that you wash-out for one month following every two months of supplementation. This amount of time should be sufficient to allow your system to return to normal after ceasing supplementation. After wash out supplementing can commence anew with a loading phase. Well, so much for the basics of creatine supplementation. We'll next discuss why creatine works.

IF YOUR BULLDOG, COMES OFF OF MAN MADE CREATINE ONLY FIVE DAYS BEFORE SHOW,
QUESTION 3. HOW CAN ONE PREVENT THE DOG FROM RUNNING HOT AS HELL!?

DOGS ARE VERY DIFFERENT FROM HUMANS BUT THIS USE OF CREATINE IN SUCH A MANNER SEEMS A BIT MUCH.
HOW MANY GRAMS ARE IN A TSP. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/forum/emoticons/confused.gifhttp://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/forum/emoticons/confused.gif??

JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

[swosprey]

I don't know about what it does to dogs, But I remember that creatine was linked to renal
failure when the person using it was not properly hydrating themselves. My senior year in college
two guys in my weight class died using creatine and dehydrating themselves to make weight.
I don't know how this correlates with dogs but i would imagine you would have to keep them hydrated
and use proper dosage.

[who]

I agree the ways of conditioning are already set in stone yes a FEW other things have been added...like B-12 shots and other vitamin shots also but the diet has a MAJOR effect on your dog's weight muscle mass and all that...a good keep will DEFINATELY improve your dog's performance...but for adding creatine to your dogs KEEP that is a bad idea and all the people that on OFFERING this advice to you are NOT informed about GOOD dog conditioning...a dog is ALREADY dehydrated when it comes to the "SHOW" so why add to the stress...i have seen TO MANY good dogs run to hot and pass on and the owers or trainers are the ones to blame STICK TO THE BASICS,,,,, STICK TO THE BASICS,,,,,,,,STICK TO THE BASICS....thats all i can say............if your just wanting good health for your "PETBULL" then a good diet and walking your dog is just fine....these dogs are natural born athletes they dont need all this stuff if their a PETBULL......... GOOD DIET....GOOD DIET....and LOVE

[Texasbulldogs]

“I agree the ways of conditioning are already set in stone”

Conditioning much like nutrition is not set in stone. There is always room for improvement in knowledge and technology.

“but for adding creatine to your dogs KEEP that is a bad idea and all the people that on OFFERING this advice to you are NOT informed about GOOD dog conditioning...”

Creatine has its place in a keep, that is the reason most great conditioner of this era use it. Just stop using it two week out.

“a dog is ALREADY dehydrated when it comes to the "SHOW" so why add to the stress...”

You would have to be an idiot if you took a dehydrated dog to a show expecting him to do well. Depending on the weather and humidity you might won’t them a little dry, but NEVER dehydrated.

[who]

so u give him water before the show 15 hours without water is steep enough and creatine isnt gonna do nothing for the dog then

[Texasbulldogs]

You lost me on this one Who. Could you ask again exactly it is your wanting me to answer?

[who]

well its kinda simple TEXAS read what you put before mine

and i asked you if you give your dog water before the show?
then i said "15 hours without water IS STEEP enough for a dog...WHY add creatine for more stress?"

[Texasbulldogs]

“well its kinda simple TEXAS”
Deciphering your post at times is anything but simple.

“and i asked you if you give your dog water before the show?”
Short answer is yes, a sip after pre-weigh in.

“then i said "15 hours without water IS STEEP enough for a dog...WHY add creatine for more stress?"”
That is not what you said, what you said was “...but for adding creatine to your dogs KEEP that is a bad idea and all the people that on OFFERING this advice to you are NOT informed about GOOD dog conditioning...a dog is ALREADY dehydrated when it comes to the "SHOW" so why add to the stress”.

[who]

lol...so in short thats what i said....creatine...(in the way i condition) will only add stress to the dog and kidneys....why do u ALWAYS look for somthing to pin on me....you say inconsistencies and i dont see it....illl just type stuff in short to remind you what i said...

[dangersouth]

well call me really new to the game but i think a dog will be what it was bred to, just like a human they r natural bodybuilders and steroid pumpin freaks who in the end cant even live a happy life, adding winny-v and cyponate and all these steroids will just in the longrun mess your dogs up why would u folks do this just naturally work your dogs to get your desired conformation and in the end if the dog cant get to your needed conformation then you must be breeding in the wrong direction. again for those who do it have fun but if you claim to love your animal then the best way is to work him,creatine,winny,cyponate,and all the other so call enhancers are just that your dog will return to its orininal conformation in the end just a little more messed up inside so good luck folks.

[Bdks lady]

well call me really new to the game but i think a dog will be what it was bred to, just like a human they r natural bodybuilders and steroid pumpin freaks who in the end cant even live a happy life, adding winny-v and cyponate and all these steroids will just in the longrun mess your dogs up why would u folks do this just naturally work your dogs to get your desired conformation and in the end if the dog cant get to your needed conformation then you must be breeding in the wrong direction. again for those who do it have fun but if you claim to love your animal then the best way is to work him,creatine,winny,cyponate,and all the other so call enhancers are just that your dog will return to its orininal conformation in the end just a little more messed up inside so good luck folks.
You hit the nail right on the head. I agree if your pit can't do it naturally then it just isn't in em, find another blood that it is in.

[Saiyagin]

Creatine is a natural compound found in Meat like deer rabbit cow etc... thats why wolves in the wild get alot of creatine by eating raw meat. Aminos is basically protein that has been broken down to its next element for easier absorbtion. Most dog food companys dont use creatine in there formula why? cause it cost too much but is the one supplement that they really need especially if they are working dogs.

[mioton28]

Posted by: Whiskey Bay. Wrong Username here
Yes creatine is a natural occurrence in some red meats,But you are talking about it here like it's gonna add extra mass or muscle to your dog.If that was the case and wolves get so much of it in the wild then why aren't they built like brick shidhouses.I have worked with wolves on a personal basis and comparing them to a domestic breed they are nothing more than a wild shepherd.As far as weight and build

[Saiyagin]

When I said wolves get alot of creatine in the wild I was comparing it to our dogs in which they get barely no creatine at all cause alot of dog food companys dont use it due to cost. Also why wolves dont get huge in the wild is because they do not weight pull or strength train thats the only way to get huge and massive while taking creatine. Also the natural creatine wolfs get in the wild cannot even compare to the creatine supplements used by proffessional body builders of today for example a wolf would have to eat 2 whole deers by himself in order to get one scoop of creatine supplement that the body builders use and body builders take as many as ten -twelve scoops per day. I hope you can understand this cause I really hate typing. lol...lol...

[miakoda]

just a little fyi on the comment that human supplements are evaluaated by the FDA: they're NOT. that' why there is such a controversy going on in our gov't over the use of these things, & why stores like GNC are constantly having to pull things off their shelves cause the FDA finally got around to evalutating them. I'm not saying anything about whether or not I'm against canine supplements, b/c actually I'm at a neutral stance. As a college athlete, I used several diff suplements to enhance my performance(but no steriods-women w/mustaches aren't attractive!). And with some there were numerous adverse affects on the body. So I find it interesting (honestly I never thought about it) to discuss the use of them in our caninces. If anyone has some good sites on the subject (or pics of your dogs who use them) I would love to see them. Keep up the talk guys!

[powder925]

You hit the nail right on the head. I agree if your pit can't do it naturally then it just isn't in em, find another blood that it is in. could you please give me your definition of"natural"?last time I checked dogs didn't naturally breed for gamness,mouth,ability,run on treadmills for hrs,swim in swim tanks or take antibiotics ect.steriods and other supplements have been used for years with success in the world of sport and will always offer alittle bit of an edge over your opponent if used properly but the truth is not many people know how to use these suppliments properly and end up fucking up their dog because they are trying to make up for their poor conditioning skills.I know of more people who have fucked up a dog from overworking them in their keep than I know of that fucked them up from using suppliments.
anyway sorry for singling you out ,its just the term"natural" gets thrown around alot.I say To Each Their Own

[powder925]

Red Cell And Winstrol V Are The Shit Along With Creatine But Be Carefull Of The Dosage Its Tricky winny is one of the worst things to give your dog because it is a DHT derivative which can case problems with your dogs prostate(dogs got really sensitive prostates)