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SouthernDixie
06-07-2006, 11:04 AM
In hopes of encouraging others to do the right thing when/if a situation occurs, I am sharing my experience.

My one year old male attacked me while trying to fight with my female (who was crated at the time being). He's done it twice. The first time I talked myself into believing it was a redirect. The second time I realized I was wrong.

For my safety, my friends' and family's safety, and for the breed's sake, he will be humanely euthanized later today.

It hurts. It hurts really really bad. I don't know if I should be there with him, or not. I've never in my life had to put a dog to sleep. He's my little boy. But I need to do the right thing.

I'm sorry to post and run. I've got a luncheon and then I'm taking the rest of the day off to do this.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/pitbulllovinone/meandduke.jpg




CB
06-07-2006, 11:16 AM
Sorry about that melissa. It will be hard but you are doing the right thing.

pepper_mommy
06-07-2006, 11:16 AM
i am truly sorry to hear this news. it saddens me deeply for anyone to have to put down a pet. i hope you are ok, from the looks of things he would be a bad match for you. i know you are doing the right thing, but god knows it hurts. i hope your heart heals fast and that you dont feel guilty for too long, you are doing the right thing. you dont really know me as well as others, but feel free to PM me if you need someone to listen.

good luck....

CB
06-07-2006, 11:19 AM
Aint nothing a new pup cant heel.

MercedesMama
06-07-2006, 12:47 PM
That is terrible. I cannot imagine how you feel right now. You are doing the right thing though. Well, you will be in my prayers.

Red_Chrome
06-07-2006, 12:50 PM
So sorry to hear the sad news. Glad you are doing the right thing.

Evil_Elvis
06-07-2006, 12:58 PM
Just a thought.. many good dogs throught history have done this. (the redirection biter) Many dogs when they get overly excited will nip, bite their owner in attempt to get away and get another dog. It doesnt mean the dog is a bad dog or a out and out man bitter

the experience you should be sharing too is that having 2 dogs even of different gender is not always a good idea especailly with a novice owner (not saying you are) However, it does take an experienced individual to handle and responsibly care for such a dog and as not to sway your decision, you are doing the right thing..

its a fine line between and out and out attack and a redirect..

Verderben
06-07-2006, 07:07 PM
I am sorry to hear that. Sometimes the right decision is the hardest one to make. You are doing the right thing.

Attila
06-07-2006, 07:29 PM
That is a hard choice. It is a very hard one indeed. You will feel sad and cry I know. I have had to put down a dog before also it is very sad. I will keep this on my mind and remember you and he in my daily devotions and prayers. May the good Lord Jesus give you comfort and sooth your broken heart.

Big Papa
06-07-2006, 07:44 PM
sry for your lost but its a good thing that you put him down not noticing what he'll do next time

Aceman
06-07-2006, 07:50 PM
In hopes of encouraging others to do the right thing when/if a situation occurs, I am sharing my experience.

My one year old male attacked me while trying to fight with my female (who was crated at the time being). He's done it twice. The first time I talked myself into believing it was a redirect. The second time I realized I was wrong.

For my safety, my friends' and family's safety, and for the breed's sake, he will be humanely euthanized later today.

It hurts. It hurts really really bad. I don't know if I should be there with him, or not. I've never in my life had to put a dog to sleep. He's my little boy. But I need to do the right thing.

I'm sorry to post and run. I've got a luncheon and then I'm taking the rest of the day off to do this.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/pitbulllovinone/meandduke.jpgSo sorry to hear of your situation, I cringe at the thought of ever having to be in that position. If getting him put down is the decision you make you should go with him, hold him, pat his head, be with him to the end, he would do it for you if he could,, again,, so sorry .

miakoda
06-07-2006, 10:20 PM
I too am sorry for you, Southern. I was in your position not too long ago when I had to make the decision to put down a dog I had wanted for 4 years & finally got! I don't care what was going through my dog's mind, the dumb mutt left deep punctures in my thigh for me doing nothing but standing there & shushing him (I ended up in the hospital for 3 days after a dumb nurse gave me a pen injection after I already told them I was allergic to penicillin).

It's never easy, but I didn't want to imagine what damage would've been done had that been my child walking past the dog at that instant. Plus, I have a 1 bite rule.....that's it. Bite me once, shame on you....bite me twice, shame on me.

My thoughts are with you at this time.

Suki
06-07-2006, 10:31 PM
sorry for your predicament...:(

just remember, the person lookin back at you in the mirror, is the one you gutta answer to. make a decision you feel good about.

{{{{{{{strength to you}}}}}}}

bakerbt
06-07-2006, 10:31 PM
Hate to hear that. You are making the right decision in my mind.

catcher T
06-07-2006, 10:37 PM
Just a thought.. many good dogs throught history have done this. (the redirection biter) Many dogs when they get overly excited will nip, bite their owner in attempt to get away and get another dog. It doesnt mean the dog is a bad dog or a out and out man bitter

the experience you should be sharing too is that having 2 dogs even of different gender is not always a good idea especailly with a novice owner (not saying you are) However, it does take an experienced individual to handle and responsibly care for such a dog and as not to sway your decision, you are doing the right thing..

its a fine line between and out and out attack and a redirect..yup..i agree with ya here,,no-one knows the dog better then u,,like Suki said make the decision and feel that it is the right one,,your in my thoughts

Riptora
06-07-2006, 10:44 PM
I too am very sorry to hear this. I've done it too. It sucks but most biters can't live in our society. If you have kids in the picture, there's no playing around.

laurajean
06-07-2006, 10:45 PM
I add my sympathy to everyone else's....it's not always easy to do the right thing. Sorry...

Rockstar
06-08-2006, 03:57 AM
"Attacked" you? As in bit you? or grabbed ahold of you and wouldn't let go? Attack is a pretty vague word. How many stitches did the doctor have to put in you?

Saiyagin
06-08-2006, 04:20 AM
"Attacked" you? As in bit you? or grabbed ahold of you and wouldn't let go? Attack is a pretty vague word. How many stitches did the doctor have to put in you?
Everyone else besides Rockstar is quick to judge the dog and to have it put too sleep is it really the dogs fault or the owners??? It seems like nowdays alot of people are looking for the easy way out by putting the dog to sleep instead of trying to solve the solution.

pepper_mommy
06-08-2006, 07:01 AM
i dont think she was looking for approval or a reason to answer to anyone. she obviously loved this dog and if she is making this choice, it must be a needed one. i dont think now is the time to patronize her for this issue. she was trying to let the newer owners know, and potential owners know, that this situation can happen to anyone, and lessons are to be learned and decisions are to be made.

laurajean
06-08-2006, 07:06 AM
I don't recall Sothern Dixie asking members of this forum if they thought she was doing the right thing. It seems to me her post said that she had made a tough decision and felt that she was doing the right thing. We weren't there...and so could not see what happened. I feel that if a dog bites its owner it is time for the dog to "have a dirt nap" as someone here used to so colorfully say. It seems that she mentioned this happened twice. I , too, have read that there are different ways dogs can express agression and yes, there are ways to train them...however, I am prejudiced against dogs that attack people. What if the dog launches an all out attack? What does stitches in the hospital matter? Like it's OK if it only two stiches and death if it three? Or more. What if the first bite is ripping your face off? Or the first bite is no stitches and the second is ripping your face off?
Don't make this any harder than this is for her by second guessing her. We don't know if she has kids. Or if their are kids in the neigborhood. More biting dogs should be put down in my opinion. And I like dogs...
And it is NOT easy to make this kind of decision. My sympathy is with Southern Dixie and not with uninformed second guesses. She didn't ask us to second guess her.
Even if it is her fault due to faulty training, the dog is attacking now. That is a pretty big risk to keep around, especially when there are many dogs who get crummy socialization , abuse even...that DO NOT bite Or attack...
What happened to "culling" human agrro dogs? A policy I don't like but there is a lot of reality I don't like. Not all is sunshine and roses and not all dogs deserve to live, unfortunately.

pepper_mommy
06-08-2006, 09:09 AM
amen laurajean, i was shocked to see people protecting a dog that bites its owner....for any reason. especially after a year of raising the dog!

dirt nap...lol...i like that! if pepper ever bit me or my son, she would quickly get put down too. there are too many good dogs out there to try and rehab man biters.

BoiBoi
06-08-2006, 09:44 AM
I agree with u 100% pepper, i think she made the right decision. Hope everything goes well southern

NCPatchwork
06-08-2006, 10:38 AM
Any thing you deside is always right. I'm sorry that you had to go through this and I only hope that things will look up for you. Goodluck and if you ever needsomeone to talk to, don't hesitate to PM me.

davidlau_2002
06-08-2006, 11:44 AM
good luck. i respect your decision as it is probably the best choice given your scenario. i would honestly take to heart that this dog has a one dog family personality and try to find a person that is capable of handling him as a single dog but your present situation probably does not provide that venue. putting him down as a result of something that you know his breed is known for doing is almost like baiting a child to steal candy in a candy store. have you gotten an animal behaviorist to check him before deciding this? don't get me wrong. i do believe you are making the right decision. i just naturally want to fight for the dog's life if there is a chance. "this breed is not for everyone" is an understatement.

14rock
06-08-2006, 12:31 PM
Nobody is telling her what to do, she is doing what she feels right. But since there is a topic on the board that sounds to the uneducated like a dog "turning on its owner" I want to get some answers, because I have a sneaking suspicion that

1.)It was only a redirect caused my mishandling the dog

2.) It was not an "attack", but more likely the dog nipped and let go.

Not every dog that bites is a "man-biter" , you need to differentiate the two, if for no other reason than, so this BS "turning on its owner" myth is finally put to sleep-instead of furthering it by dramatizing events imo.

If you really feel the animal full out "attacked" you just to bite you (strange, since his focus was on the other dog at the time) than I can tell you, the vet wouldnt even get the chance to put my dog down-and I wouldnt be there! I dont think it will ever happen, but if for any reason it did, with any dog, of any breed, we would take a quick walk out back with a .44 and a shovel.

Saiyagin
06-08-2006, 04:31 PM
Nobody is telling her what to do, she is doing what she feels right. But since there is a topic on the board that sounds to the uneducated like a dog "turning on its owner" I want to get some answers, because I have a sneaking suspicion that

1.)It was only a redirect caused my mishandling the dog

2.) It was not an "attack", but more likely the dog nipped and let go.

Not every dog that bites is a "man-biter" , you need to differentiate the two, if for no other reason than, so this BS "turning on its owner" myth is finally put to sleep-instead of furthering it by dramatizing events imo.

If you really feel the animal full out "attacked" you just to bite you (strange, since his focus was on the other dog at the time) than I can tell you, the vet wouldnt even get the chance to put my dog down-and I wouldnt be there! I dont think it will ever happen, but if for any reason it did, with any dog, of any breed, we would take a quick walk out back with a .44 and a shovel.
Yep this is why I like 14Rock he is actually the only person on this forum who has any decent knowledge of this breed and can think and judge for himself without having to follow the crowed.

P.S. Oh and by the way a .44 come on now 14Rock is that a lil over kill a .22 will do just fine lol lol hahahahahahahahaha

pepper_mommy
06-08-2006, 04:34 PM
that was an absolutely rediculous post. i guess i will ONLY ask rock questions from now on in a PM since he is the ONLY person who knows anything.

Saiyagin
06-08-2006, 04:42 PM
that was an absolutely rediculous post. i guess i will ONLY ask rock questions from now on in a PM since he is the ONLY person who knows anything.
AAAhhh come on now dont be like that its all good you can come and ask me some questions not only 14Rock has an avaliable shoulder to cry on. lol lol hahahahahahahahaha

pepper_mommy
06-08-2006, 04:44 PM
i am not going to go around and around with you, everyone has an opinion, mine is that you have been kind of rude in this particular thread. i am entitled to it, as you are entitled to feel anyways you do about anyone else here on the forums. thats it. :)

Saiyagin
06-08-2006, 05:02 PM
i am not going to go around and around with you, everyone has an opinion, mine is that you have been kind of rude in this particular thread. i am entitled to it, as you are entitled to feel anyways you do about anyone else here on the forums. thats it. :)
You said I was being kinda rude? I was just praising 14Rock becasue he seems to be the only one with an opened mind too see both sides of the story. Sheesh lighten up girl I was only playing with ya.

Miss Conduct
06-08-2006, 05:04 PM
yup, sounds like a re-direct and not a bonefide "attack". BUT im glad she is doing what makes her feel most comfortable. My thoughts are with you. I have had to get rid of a dog too, never bit anyone, but i wasnt going to give him the chance.

I actually had a re-direct bite last night but it was nothing bad, just a nip and thats it. My house dog got into the room where another dog is in a crate right now, they started going at it, and i ran in and grab'd the house dog, i got a nip on the hand, but didnt break skin or anything.

If ANYONE has a dog that they are nervous around, that dog needs to go BYE BYE. Whether it be a walk in the woods, or re-homing to an educated more exp. fancier, it needs to be done. Keeping a dog that you are nervous of is begging for trouble (regardless of breed).

Me and my dogs have a strong bond, i couldnt have a dog that i couldnt trust.


Southern- feel good that you are doing the right thing.

Saiyagin
06-08-2006, 05:27 PM
yup, sounds like a re-direct and not a bonefide "attack". BUT im glad she is doing what makes her feel most comfortable. My thoughts are with you. I have had to get rid of a dog too, never bit anyone, but i wasnt going to give him the chance.

I actually had a re-direct bite last night but it was nothing bad, just a nip and thats it. My house dog got into the room where another dog is in a crate right now, they started going at it, and i ran in and grab'd the house dog, i got a nip on the hand, but didnt break skin or anything.

If ANYONE has a dog that they are nervous around, that dog needs to go BYE BYE. Whether it be a walk in the woods, or re-homing to an educated more exp. fancier, it needs to be done. Keeping a dog that you are nervous of is begging for trouble (regardless of breed).

Me and my dogs have a strong bond, i couldnt have a dog that i couldnt trust.


Southern- feel good that you are doing the right thing.
Ok when you are focused in a fight be it an animal or human and you are in the fight zone mode the dog or human basically zones out anything else so if you touch the dog or human when he is in that fight mode without him knowing his natural reaction will be to fight or bite but it will be unintentional and he will realize what he has done wrong and stop. If a dog bites me unintentionally its usually the owners fault but if he bites me on purpose or intentionally then it is the dogs fault and he will be put down. Alot of newbies cannot distingush between these two scenerios to them if a dog bites no matter what reason that he is dangerous and should be put down which in my opinion I feel is wrong. Also like some said this breed is not for everyone so if you choose this breed make sure you know what your getting into before making these important decesions because when you jump the gun thats how alot of dogs end up in the pound becasue the owner wasnt prepared to handle this type of dog.

Aceman
06-08-2006, 10:12 PM
Ok when you are focused in a fight be it an animal or human and you are in the fight zone mode the dog or human basically zones out anything else so if you touch the dog or human when he is in that fight mode without him knowing his natural reaction will be to fight or bite but it will be unintentional and he will realize what he has done wrong and stop. If a dog bites me unintentionally its usually the owners fault but if he bites me on purpose or intentionally then it is the dogs fault and he will be put down. Alot of newbies cannot distingush between these two scenerios to them if a dog bites no matter what reason that he is dangerous and should be put down which in my opinion I feel is wrong. Also like some said this breed is not for everyone so if you choose this breed make sure you know what your getting into before making these important decesions because when you jump the gun thats how alot of dogs end up in the pound becasue the owner wasnt prepared to handle this type of dog.I agree,, I know from my younger more rowdy years, that are past thank god,,lol. I had a brother-in-law grab me and jump in between me and another guy in the middle of a scuffle and and he almost got KO,ed ...by me and actually almost happened to my girlfriend on one ocasion. I can only explain it as a natural reflex kind of thing,, a ooops I guess you could say. I know the last thing I wanted to do was hurt my brother-in-law or girlfriend. I suppose it,s the same with animals.

SouthernDixie
06-09-2006, 09:15 AM
For those of you who offered condolences and support, thank you.

For those of you who might have needed more elaboration on the incidents:

First time it happened he was trying to fight with my female through her crate and came after me when I tried to calm him down. The second time it happened I was standing in the kitchen (as he was in his fight mode) and he basically just cornered and jumped me. I've still got the wound on the back of my arm and my back, yet the bite marks on both my fore arms are gone now. They just feel like giant bruises still.

He tried biting the vet techs, and that really set me off on my decision. And as we were at the vet for the process, one tried to just pet his head and he got ahold of her hand in his mouth - not too hard, but it wasn't a friendly nibble.

Also, in my giving him commands, he would jump up all on me and try biting me - yet I could just turn my back and avoid the bite as much as possible.

He showed too many signs of human aggression, and it's unfortunate that it happend. I never thought it would be one of my dogs, but it was.

The process was good. They had to sedate him before because the vet was scared enough to not want to do the IV w/o him being so. We spent our time with him and he's now in a better place. (And don't you tell me dogs don't have souls and don't go to heaven either! :) ) It's been said he's probably started his own fight club in his heaven and if that's the case, he's happy.

Once again, to those who supported me in this decision, thank you.

Miss Conduct
06-09-2006, 09:30 AM
once again, my hats off to you. sounds like you made the right decision. TOO many people ignore warning signs thinking it could never be "their sweet doggy", and then someone gets bit.

Just remember the good times w/him, and you'll feel better.

14rock
06-09-2006, 12:01 PM
Thanks for the elaboration, dog definetly sounded like a problem, and I'm glad you did what you did.

Saiyagin- thanks, but I am far from the most knowledgable member of the site, let alone the "only". Many of the others are simply tired of responding to the same threads every day when all they have to do is run a search for the exact same thread, a week previous. Some great people have left us (one especially), but there are still a bunch of educated members you see browsing the forum every night, just because they dont respond to public messages, doesnt mean they arent here ;)

idgie
06-09-2006, 12:09 PM
In your first post, you said that he was trying to get to your female when he attacked you, but in your recent elaboration you make it sound more random, so it is still unclear what happened. I don't think anyone here wants to make this situation harder for you, and my heart goes out to you because it's clear that you loved this dog and hated to put him down. But not being there or having a clear description creates questions in people's minds ... your dog may have had very normal responses for the breed that could have been handled differently. We are certainly in no position to judge your situation, but with you can't expect unqualified support with the descriptions you've given. And hopefully you've come to this forum to learn rather than just for pats on the back.

The only clear lesson, as others have said, is that these dogs are NOT for everyone.

SouthernDixie
06-09-2006, 12:22 PM
In your first post, you said that he was trying to get to your female when he attacked you, but in your recent elaboration you make it sound more random, so it is still unclear what happened.

It happend twice. First time I grabbed his collar. The second time, I was too afraid to, so just stood there wondering what the heck to do. When a dog turns from the fight to come 10 or so feet away to a person just standing there, would you assume that is normal behavior?

I don't think anyone here wants to make this situation harder for you, and my heart goes out to you because it's clear that you loved this dog and hated to put him down. But not being there or having a clear description creates questions in people's minds ...

My apologies for a post and run. I should have waited, but I was about to head out of the door. Figured though, that it might help others.

your dog may have had very normal responses for the breed that could have been handled differently.

He bit the vet tech also. Not only before he was PTS when she tried to pet him, but as he was in a dog run before he was supposed to be dipped. I got the call from the vet, and that's when the decision was final.

We are certainly in no position to judge your situation, but with you can't expect unqualified support with the descriptions you've given. And hopefully you've come to this forum to learn rather than just for pats on the back.

No. I hoped to show others that human aggression is just plain not acceptable. I hope that my trying to be a good owner will not only protect myself and others, but the breed in general. I will not live in fear of my own dog.

The only clear lesson, as others have said, is that these dogs are NOT for everyone.

True. And yet I still love the breed with all my heart.

Does this help further explain my decision to you IDGIE?

gamebred26
06-09-2006, 02:43 PM
Do yourself a favor don't get another pit....I have a feeling that you do not understand this breed and maybe made mistakes while raising him.


He is still a puppy....

In the right hands that dog can be broken and be a great pet you just are not qualified to do so...

This is an Alpha dog where you lost his repsect some where along the way....

Unless the dog had some severe brain damage or was bred really bad.....but I highly doubt it....

Get a poodle next time...

...let alone you had two....

SouthernDixie
06-09-2006, 03:29 PM
Thanks for the discouragement?

I do not wish have a dispute with you, or anyone really, about the situation. People tend to think that because I'm only 21, that I am not capable of owning, nor being knowledgable, of APBTs (I'm not accusing you of this - yet I am treated like that on a regular basis). Granted I do not know everything, yet it is my quest in life to learn as close to everything as possible some day. I respect the breed, it's history, and it's ability. And what happened in these incidents was not normal for this animal.

Riptora
06-09-2006, 04:18 PM
THIS BREED IS NOT FOR EVERYONE

100% true. This is a breed that I like to call "specialty." A breed that requires experienced animal handlers and owners. This is a key factor in adopting these dogs out, good rescue organizations keep this in mind and do their best to meet the needs of adopters and the dogs.
However, human aggression is NOT a typical temperment for this breed. Love for humans and the desire to please them is a MAJOR reason why this breed is fancied. Alpha male? Sounds kind of like that, who knows? Sound like a reasonible quality in a German Shephard from working lines, but IMO not a quality I would ever keep-around in an APBT. If you want to think about in a nature sense: in a pack if a member continusly challenges the alpha, the alpha kills it or bans it for life.

SoutherDixie- Once again, I am sorry to hear this. I am very sure that although it is painful it is a learning experience none the less. I am sure this experience will be in the back of your mind when you select future dogs and consider training methods. After all, none of us were just born full of doggie knowledge, it takes time and even then there are professionals who still get stumped.

I can see that you have over 975 posts and have seen you on the forum many times. You have a nice gallery with photos of healthy, active, happy dogs. THIS IS WHY I DID NOT DOUBT YOUR DECISION. If you were some newbie with their first dog they got from some shelter I would have raised my eyebrows, but I have faith in your ability to take care of your household without having to know you personally. I also have faith that you will continue to own APBT's and that you will keep and raise great dogs.
$hit happens.

davidlau_2002
06-09-2006, 04:19 PM
gamebred26, although his delivery may be a little....well f*#K it he straight hit you with a bat. he's right though. it is very interesting too that people with attitudes like gamebred26 never seem to have dogs out of control though. i understand the whole "make pitbulls your friends" type of deal but that gives them the opportunity to learn the idea that they can lash out with the ingrained notion that they will be "properly" punished. i'm not trying to stereotype but after watching so many shows of fatherless children hitting and cussing out their non-dominant single mothers, i realized that structure and consequence is important for all. Pitbulls, i think, with their undying drive and physical stature, rely on those two components with an even greater consequence.

with that said though, i still think you made the right decision LADY. the type of pitbull that you can have given your social surroundings cannot lash out like you described. It's people like you that, owning a pitbull with the same correct social friendliness as you, become prime examples to helping fight the BSL. i doubt a "gamedog" man would be very influential in gaining the majority public's vote in fighting bsl. temper-tested pitbulls from the pound would be a great fit since you would not have to temper-test or structuralize the dog. getting another breed altogether does also seem to be the easiest way but i see you love this breed too much to do that.

regardless, given your situation and the lack of opportunity to hand your dog to someone you trust could handle him, you did the best you could. good luck and bless.

SouthernDixie
06-09-2006, 04:30 PM
Riptora, Davidlau...thanks. Both of your posts are very much so appreciated.

It's actually heartbreaking to hear "get a different breed" because I swore after getting my first, that I would never own a different breed. And it wasn't because they're cute and cuddly and are just big o clowns. It's because I've researched and learned a lot about the real APBT - and that information took hold and isn't letting go. I wish to be with this breed until the day my body fails me from being able to work and take care of these dogs.

Got a long ways to go. But I'm not giving up on this.

Riptora
06-09-2006, 04:36 PM
Yep, there's only so much you can learn from books, television or the internet. It's nothing compared to hard core experience and I have to say that you just got yourself a good lesson. Sharing that, I believe was the purpose behind this thread from the begining.

Own another breed? Doesn't that mean, hang your head down and give up? Hell no, if your heart is in this breed, that's where it stays. You will only grow stronger.

pepper_mommy
06-09-2006, 05:18 PM
amen riptora, no one here is the holy messiah of APBTs, get off your high horses, b/c shit DOES happen, as someone said, and it could happen to you or your kids, or pregnant wife, it doesnt matter how much you think you know about ANY breed, a dog is an animal, one that does not talk out their feelings and try to have a sit down to discuss things that should change. it is an ANIMAL that can turn in a seconds notice and grab you or anything standing close enough, the only difference between owning another APBT and poodle, is that *if* another problem should arise, for whatever NATURAL reasons, one is gonna have a smaller mouth!
and if i get banned for this, i dont care, get this breed off a petistal (sp?), it is a damned DOG!!!! one that everyone here obviously LOVES. either work together and learn to support those owners who are faced with tough decisions like this one, or be a rogue and do your own thing, I have a feeling if it was certain other people here that had this same situation arise, there would be NO questions asked. its very clique-y, and pretty lame.

Attila
06-09-2006, 06:11 PM
wow how did we get from the sad reality of having to put one down and praying for comfort in that to a arguement? No one person knows all there is to know about any given topic lest he be God. I sure can't walk on water. Thought I could once but was told Ice does not count. Alas I am just a man. I feel so very sad for this girl having to put down her beloved dog. It hit me deeply as I have had to do that. Not for the same reason but I have had to do it a few times to end suffering. I pray that one would be so kind to hold my hand in the end and have the heart to put me down if it be need be. How hard that choice is and how it hunts you afterward but it makes you stronger and wiser. You learn more of what to look for in a dog. No one can say what went wrong or what could have been as we were not there. I feel that she made the correct choice in her situation. I praise her for having that much strength and currage to do so.

catcher T
06-09-2006, 07:03 PM
personally speaking,,I like a dog with an attitude,,kind of a @sshole personality,,one that has confidence and is defensive,,those are the dogs I like to train,,usually these are traits that are created more then likely in the wrong form and if born this way not trained in the right way to use them effectively,,for someone who dosen't train or can't handle them isn't a good dog to have. hard to find a home,,I sometimes won't take them because u have to break down then build up in the correct way,,that is rehabilitation,,not for everyone

Attila
06-09-2006, 09:26 PM
catcher T,

no it sure isn't for everyone. I have done several myself and it can be a long process. However I will not tollerate a dog that bites me. I don't care what it's reason is. It will only happen once. But if your good at it by all means go for it. Someone has to be. Thats my limitation to rehabilitaton. Anything else is workable. I have kennels to separate them from other dogs till I iron out the edges. Some take longer than others. It is like basic training for some and Ranger school on others to get them strait. Personally I don't think I found either one that challenging. I admit the first jump in airborne school did make me balls draw up but one boot in the rear fixed all that.

chrisgr212
06-09-2006, 09:32 PM
so so sorry. i hope the best for u in the future

prettyfulpitbull
06-10-2006, 01:24 AM
I personally feel she did the right thing.What if there was a child there while the dog was so upset?There's no telling that the dog would or wouldn't attack someone else.The dog is already gone so there's no need to judge and being I noticed someone said she's been a member here a while I highly doubt she did it because she didn't know of the breed.You learn a lot on here and aggressiveness in this breed has been discussed many times on here.I support her descision and give my deepest appology to her.I wanted to see if my dog got along with another dog and judging by her barking and actions and knowing she's a alpha I knew they wouldn't get along BUT I was still able to touch her by her mouth etc.Maybe she's just really loyal I don't know but I have absolutely no fear of my dog trying to bite me.If you are afraid of your dog you shouldn't have it.There are two reasons for being afraid of your dog imo.1.You are not very knowledgeable of the breed or dogs in general etc.2.Your dog really does have a aggressive problem.I feel that her dog had a aggressiveness problem and she knew what she was doing.We should support her as we all now know the whole story.

JuicyCa
06-10-2006, 02:14 AM
I'm so sorry you had to go through that Mel. I know you loved your Bubby very much. I agree that you did the right thing. I KNOW you know a lot about APBTs and whether or not it was "your fault" he acted in that manner-people make mistakes (not saying you did, heck bad breeding could have played a hand in this situation). How is one to be expected to TRULY know about a breed unless they experience it firsthand? APBTs are not dogs you can just read about and go.

You can bet your ass that I would have done the same thing-especially since I have two small children. You never know what could happen, and I don't care how much I love the dog, or how many OTHER dogs get PTS-all that crap takes a backseat to my children's safety. That's why when I get MY OWN-not some random pup my BF brings home-dog (in 3 years maybe-a lot needs to happen before I could even consider it) I will be sure to take the neccessary precautions, as I would do with ANY breed.

prettyfulpitbull
06-10-2006, 09:48 AM
Juicy Ca I just love that dog in your signature!BEAUTIFUL

Suki
06-10-2006, 11:12 AM
wow how did we get from the sad reality of having to put one down and praying for comfort in that to a arguement? No one person knows all there is to know about any given topic lest he be God. I sure can't walk on water. Thought I could once but was told Ice does not count. Alas I am just a man. I feel so very sad for this girl having to put down her beloved dog. It hit me deeply as I have had to do that. Not for the same reason but I have had to do it a few times to end suffering. I pray that one would be so kind to hold my hand in the end and have the heart to put me down if it be need be. How hard that choice is and how it hunts you afterward but it makes you stronger and wiser. You learn more of what to look for in a dog. No one can say what went wrong or what could have been as we were not there. I feel that she made the correct choice in her situation. I praise her for having that much strength and currage to do so.

Ice doesn't count?????
damn!!!!

good post! yup, until you're standing in someone elses's shoes, don't judge.
(You have only yourself to answer to.)

May you be conscience-free...

R.I.P. Bub

prettyfulpitbull
06-10-2006, 12:19 PM
My heart lies in Cali!!!Me too but i'm stuck here in Ohio.Too cold for me down here brrrr

SEAL
06-10-2006, 12:29 PM
its your dog you made the decision and you were the one who took the bite. How many of you would be talking out the side of your face after taking more than one bite from your dog. I can say if mine were to attack me or another person unprovoked in my presence his hours left to live are numbered.

I have seen some of these dogs live in multi dog households just fine. But the majority will not.

sorry you had to let a friend go but in the end its better for everyone that way.


ps dont let the newbs get to ya.

MercedesMama
06-10-2006, 12:57 PM
Southern-I support your decision 100%. You CANNOT own a dog that you cannot trust. I feel that you should not have had to explain yourself numerous times, its ridiculous. I know some wanted to further understand your situation, but come on now, I think she is intelligent enough to know when something is not right with her own dog, regardless of breed. I think she came her for a little support and some comfort, not to be questioned or judged on her knowledge or experience with APBTs. So, yea, that's all I have to say. Anyways, I'm with ya on this one. (if it makes ya feel any better ;) )

realonebulldog
06-10-2006, 01:56 PM
In hopes of encouraging others to do the right thing when/if a situation occurs, I am sharing my experience.

My one year old male attacked me while trying to fight with my female (who was crated at the time being). He's done it twice. The first time I talked myself into believing it was a redirect. The second time I realized I was wrong.

For my safety, my friends' and family's safety, and for the breed's sake, he will be humanely euthanized later today.

It hurts. It hurts really really bad. I don't know if I should be there with him, or not. I've never in my life had to put a dog to sleep. He's my little boy. But I need to do the right thing.

I'm sorry to post and run. I've got a luncheon and then I'm taking the rest of the day off to do this.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/pitbulllovinone/meandduke.jpgHow did he bites you? Did he bite in your hand to get the other dog or did he realy fight against you? Sorry for my asking but I realy like to know. My dogs fight each other, badgers and sometimes strange dogs and most times I was involved to stop the fight, sometimes in the dark of the night but never ever one of my boys niped at me. M y heart goes realy out to you because I think that I wouldnt be strong enough to do that, to kill my dog....he would die for me and I couldnt stand there and wait until he is gone....maybe a bullet in the heart would be the best thing. And that would mean a bullet in my heart....