No bloodline, No respect?

[Ncseal]

Question? Alot of people on here know alot about pit bulls, and what they are talking about, but it seems like you only get attention if you have a pit bull that has papers and a good bloodline. i have asked a few questions on here about my pit, and i have stated that he does not have papers nor a bloodline that i am aware of. And i get hardly any feedback. So do you people feel like your wasting you time talking to people who dont have papered dogs. There is no question that my dog is full blooded, the breeder that resued him even said there is no doubt. Im not trying to make enemies, i just dont understand what you have to do on here to get a little respect.

[pepper_mommy]

mine also is not papered but is indeed 100% APBT...no doubt no questions. i have gotten some great help so far, i think that the older dogs and the ones belonging to the heads of this community get more rep and fuss about their dogs, but i personally think that has come with experience and time here. (and no, i am not kissing anyones ass, therefore i am not naming names). i hope that as pepper gets older, and i get out and meet some folks here through GAPITS and the GAAPBTA (i think that is it, lol ) that eventually i will become a more recognized owner here. until then, i enjoy learning what i can!! :)

[miakoda]

Nope. It's not like that at all. There is nothing wrong with having an unregistered "pit bull" as long as one is not looking to breed it.

However, what we DO want people to understand, is that friends such as yours canNOT tell that a dog is a "purebred pit bull" based on looks alone. There are even many a registered dogs that are known crossbred mutts thanks to paperhanging. The ONLY way to know you've got a true APBT is to buy/obtain your dog from a responsible, respectable, knowledgable, & HONEST owner/breeder who has kept & keeps immaculate & accurate records of his dogs pedigrees & thus only obtains his dogs from the like. Statements such as your friend's are based on nothing more than their own personal opions & are often fueled by their desire to say they own a "pure bred pit". NO ONE can tell if a dog is "purebred" based on looks alone. Especially when the term "pit bull" is a generic one & incorporates the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Bull Terrier, & American Bulldog. So if you own a "pure bred pit bull", which breed do you own? Because there is no such thing as a "pure bred" "pit bull".

That said, I didn't realize you weren't getting any responses. I know I've replied on several occasions.

[miakoda]

Here are a few of my "mutts". These are my rescues that although they look like "pit bulls" & probably are, there is just no proof to substantiate my claims that they be APBTs, ASTs, or the like. So they are just mutts.

Sukari:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/Miakoda15/sukariaftersx.jpg
The following dog was just a foster:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/Miakoda15/Samson.jpg
Whiskey:
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/1/6/2/1/jeter.jpg

[lonesharkpits]

I agree with you to a certain extent, but I am the one who rescued that pup and his sister from a cruel BYB. The dog does not have a background that we could get a hold of, but there was no need to get it. They were in bad hands and needed to be rescued before they died. They both got adopted by two loving people with no intentions on breeding. They are both full blooded pit bulls. There is a long story that I am not going to get into, but they came from a bad situation and are now very loved petbulls. Which was exactly the intention.

[pepper_mommy]

damn that white one is BEAUTIFUL!!!! who is the hot tan doggy in the little pic? boy? man another great looking dog!!

[ABK]

I don't think it has anything to do w/ you or your dog, after all you've gotten responses to every post you put up. I think it's just that if one knows the background on their dog, there is more to talk about.

For example, all you can tell us about Nico is his color & that he's a rescue. Whereas if a dog has a pedigree we can talk about the dog, it's ancestors, the accomplishments of said dogs, the breeders of said dogs, etc. etc. etc. With rescues it's hard b/c there is little to nothing known about them, so that really limits the discussion.

Also, I have to agree w/ Mia, unless Nico came from a reputable breeder there is absoultely no way whatsoever your friend could guarantee his status as a purebred pit bull. His coming from a BYB means nothing. BYBs breed pit mixes & sell the offspring as purebred pit bulls all the time.

BTW, those are some nice looking dogs Mia. While they're all cuties, that white one is a beaut! It only goes to show what kind of beautiful dogs are in rescue! ;)

[Ncseal]

Krystal I love you. The end :)

[miakoda]

Krystal I love you. The end :)
Please don't think we are bashing you in any way. We're not. For one, most of use who own registered APBTs also have a rescue or 2 (or more for some ;) ).

But we ARE trying to raise awareness that a "pit bull" cannot be picked out of a lineup based on looks alone. No one is enough of an expert in that respect. And if we do back up the idea that we can identify "pit bulls" based on looks alone, then we are helping to defend the government's stand on that issue as well & chalk it up to another win for BSL.

We're not telling you to love your dog any less. We're not telling you your dog is not worthy. But the truth is the truth. If you want to own a dog you can call a "purebred" something or other, then get one from an honest & reputable owner/breeder. Otherwise, just consider your dog very lucky to have been rescued by such a caring person such as yourself. But don't call it a purebred when you have no proof to substantiate that claim.

[lonesharkpits]

Everyone on here has good intentions and advice, but there is only so much that you know about each dog. You are not aware of the whole story behind Nico and his background(not ped.), parents, etc. Both parents are full blooded with papers, but the pups were 2wks old when I rescued them and had been off the mom and on puppy food for a week! This was a BYB and didn't get the pups registered. The breeding should of never happened in the first place, but did due to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$:( The pups were going to be thrown away or killed. The person had already gotten rid of the other puppies! After this who cares about getting papers, they don't matter in this breeding anyways, and I never wanted to see that person again. It was pitifull!!!

[420puffer]

What kind of love/respect do you expect? Your dog looks good. period. What else is there to talk about?

[ABK]

Both parents are full blooded with papers, That sounds awful!! But I must say just b/c the parents had papers does not mean they were purebred. Need I say Whopper???

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/88418.jpg

Unless you get your pup from a reputable & honest breeder (which this person obviously does NOT sound like they fit that bill) I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in "papers."

That being said, thank you both for saving dogs who sound like they were obviously in need.

[lonesharkpits]

At this point this is getting ridiculous, he is a rescue and loved it doesn't matter about the papers or ped. I said that in my post about the papers didn't matter because the breeding should of never been done anyways.

[ABK]

At this point this is getting ridiculous, he is a rescue and loved it doesn't matter about the papers or ped. I said that in my post about the papers didn't matter because the breeding should of never been done anyways.LSP: No, the papers or ped do not matter. The breeder in question is by your own admission a BYB, a vile & cruel one at that. Anyone who will be cruel to animals certainly cannot be counted on to keep accurate records or sell a person a dog w/ correct papers. So the papers & ped mean nothing.

I think what triggered the convo was that your friend was touting Nico as "without a doubt a purebred pit bull" when there is no reliable verification that he is.

Nc: Is this enough replies for you? (J/K!) ;)

[lonesharkpits]

I think it is more of like what you said earlier about since there is no history it is harder to find a lot to talk about on him. Your right she definately got the responses now:)

[davidlau_2002]

no offense but i've seen so many " my pit is purebred but has no papers. by this picture, what bloodline is s/he?" when you come across this question, who in their right mind would answer this? some questions need peds to answer. i think you might be taking the lack of responses as disrespect when in fact your question might not be answerable.