good start

[dustinp87]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=180288 this is my dog GG's ped wat do yall think good yard starter? oh yea smoke i lost ur # man if u read this holla at me

[Bubba]

I own the great great grandma (Mims' May) to your dog, and I had the Gunjack (aka Rut) dog on my yard for a time. Good luck with that dog, always wondered what KPK bred that dog too...
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[jeeperino]

I can see that your dog was well bred. You have a lot of choices when you breed her due to the diversity of her ped. Do you call her a Mims dog? Im not really up on the Mims stuff. I know hes called Mimsamucil (take it how u want to, I didnt make it up) by some people that think hes a peddler.I thought that was funny.

Do you have access to any of her brothers? I'd stick em together and take the best female out that litter if I were you. YIS

[Bubba]

I disagree about breeding her to her brother. She is somewhat of a scatterbred dog, being that Rut is a Redboy/Snooty/King Soloman dog whom was bred to a CH Bullet/Redboy/Jocko dog and the Lillington dog is a Redboy/Jocko/Buck bred dog and the Rambo dog is a Redboy/Snooty/King Soloman dog and the Bell dog is a Redboy/Snooty/Soloman dog...I think you'd best be served IF shes a good dog herself, to take her to a pure redboy male. JMO
BB

[jeeperino]

Id bet youd know better. Anyway IMO she wouldnt serve as a good dog to base your yard on ON PAPER.

Bubba I'm glad you wrote the lines cause I couldnt keep em straight in my head to list em all. LOL

I was just saying that bro/sis for a "quick fix" to tighten up the lines. Or go back to her dad.

Heavy on the Red Boy and Snooty in there. What about a Snooty dog instead of Red Boy?? I'm not real high on red boy myself( IMO thats why they added the jeep to the line cause it was falling off, not the other way around).

[Bubba]

it wouldn't be a quick fix, it would be doubling up on the scatterbreeding. She may very well be a good dog to start a yard on, if shes a good dog. How shes bred doesn't matter as much, the quality that she is, is what matters.
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[dustinp87]

im probably goin to a jocko/red dog the man i know has went more to the jocko

[jeeperino]

I dont know the dogs as well as you do BB. I see where you are coming from. It makes sense. Tighten up on something in there. It'd make the gene pool smaller to narrow down what you like.

When I responded at first I threw the papers out the window because I didnt see any type of inbreeding. If he was going to start a yard around this one dog, why wouldnt he want to inbreed on her? Take one from that litter, then find a line he liked and breed that dog to it? He'd then have a choice of a male or a female to breed instead of just a female. Im sure that dog would produce ONE in the litter as good or better.

Just another way of thinking about it. YIS

[Bubba]

Inbreeding to a brother, would do nothing to tighten up on the lines, it would intensify the good and bad traits of those particular dogs, but at the end, it would just be an inbred jumble of dogs. By breeding it to a heavy or pure redboy dog, it would tighten up the lines as most of the dogs breeding is redboy crosses to being with.
BB

[sy82nj]

her to a 50/50 dog jeep x rbj ??

[sy82nj]

dustin clear out your mail box on here

[jeeperino]

I dont know about throwing the Jeep stuff in there? Could you tell us why?

[ChAnimal]

I dont know about throwing the Jeep stuff in there? Could you tell us why?In my OPINION both them lines (jeep/redboy) are dull, boring, and a whole lot of other $hit i wont mention. Although RARELY some are the opposite.

[jeeperino]

Hmmm..I dont see them(jeep with no redboy in it) as dull or boring. Because they breed the $hit out of the Tab, Gator, etc.. of course the dogs are gonna get diluted. They are breeding off the "Jeep/ Redboy" name or "Tab" or whatever dog they think will get them the most money from the public. I'd say a lot of jeep/rb dogs aren't bred right, mearly to make pretty papers.

I'm not big on the barnstorming,30 mins or less type dogs. I'd take a smart dog with good air(bolio,snooty) over a hard charger(mayday,zebo) any day.

CH. Animal, I'm under the impression you like the Sorrels dogs? I dont think we'll ever see eye to eye then. LOL They arent my favorite by a long shot. JMO dont everyone blast me.


YIS

[dustinp87]

u know i would rather take her snotty id love get me a pup off snooty red boy blood if yall now a kennel let me know

[BoiBoi]

Hey jeeperino, im curious what is ur opinion on the sorrells line, i was thinkin about gettin one from that line but haven't really heard anything about them

[jeeperino]

Hey jeeperino, im curious what is ur opinion on the sorrells line, i was thinkin about gettin one from that line but haven't really heard anything about them
I just know that its been around for a WHILE and HIGHLY advertised. You can see 10 of them at every dog show you go to. I think they advertise in Dog Fancy?
When you talk dogs with some REAL dogmen.A sorrells will never be the topic of conversation. Unless you are calling a kennel that sells them.

I've never seen them hunt. But Ive read a lot of match reports from 1950's till the present time and cant recall off hand seeing much if any Sorrells breeding in the reports.

Maybe it's the area I'm in? Maybe I didnt' read enough reports? Maybe I should own one and find out? I dont know "everyone" or "everything" so I'm sure other people will disagree. But he did ask my opinion.

[ChAnimal]

Hmmm..I dont see them(jeep with no redboy in it) as dull or boring. Because they breed the $hit out of the Tab, Gator, etc.. of course the dogs are gonna get diluted. They are breeding off the "Jeep/ Redboy" name or "Tab" or whatever dog they think will get them the most money from the public. I'd say a lot of jeep/rb dogs aren't bred right, mearly to make pretty papers.

I'm not big on the barnstorming,30 mins or less type dogs. I'd take a smart dog with good air(bolio,snooty) over a hard charger(mayday,zebo) any day.

CH. Animal, I'm under the impression you like the Sorrels dogs? I dont think we'll ever see eye to eye then. LOL They arent my favorite by a long shot. JMO dont everyone blast me.


YISLOL in all honesty Sorrells dogs are 10x gamer than any Jeep dog and thats a fact.

[ChAnimal]

I just know that its been around for a WHILE and HIGHLY advertised. You can see 10 of them at every dog show you go to. I think they advertise in Dog Fancy?
When you talk dogs with some REAL dogmen.A sorrells will never be the topic of conversation. Unless you are calling a kennel that sells them.

I've never seen them hunt. But Ive read a lot of match reports from 1950's till the present time and cant recall off hand seeing much if any Sorrells breeding in the reports.

Maybe it's the area I'm in? Maybe I didnt' read enough reports? Maybe I should own one and find out? I dont know "everyone" or "everything" so I'm sure other people will disagree. But he did ask my opinion.Wait let me guess u talked to jeep/redboy breeders? LOL. Are u jokin about them the match reports in the 50's just get the book courage or old SDJ and YF&M any mag. LOL sorrells dogs have graced to cover of YF&M time and time again wtf are you talkin about? And btw how can u call a jeep dog game if he has been defending for the whole 2 hrs. He aint game he scared to get HURT! Cur w8in to happen. But thats just my opinion. Just take a look at recent times and you will see that these dogs are top notch comp dogs. And just because this line hasnt been bred 10000000000 of times doesnt mean that it dont produce.

And btw do u think that i would honestly like a 30 min cur? Do you think i would base my yeard of this stock if it wernt proven? Just because these dogs are 10x rougher than jeep dogs doent make them no curs. And btw ive ran through a fair bit of jeep stuff with no luck, i crossed it with Sorrells stuff and blam working dogs. That is the last bit of jeep i plan to ever have anywhere near my yard. These are MY experiences, yes experiences not stories told by people that have never gave it a go.

[BoiBoi]

Hey ChAnimal, I've heard that from a couple other people too that the sorrells line dominates most jeep lines. I think a lot of people don't like that line because it's advertised so much but who knows

[jeeperino]

I'm not bashing the lines. I'm just saying Its VERY commercial. Ch. Animal if thats what you run and like it great. The Sorrells dogs ARE in reports,and have made covers, CH , ROM, etc... I was just saying none stood out in my mind.

In some 06 mags I havent seen a sorrells dog be nominated for a Gr. CH, CH, or a D.O.T.Y. If you have some info that can prove otherwise I'd like to see. I'm always open to learn more about other lines, pm me.

When i was talking about the barnstorming dogs I wasnt talking about Sorrells dogs. Wasnt trying to bash, just tell you what I liked.

YIS

[Bubba]

GR CH Ajax...Sorrells/Snooty cross
GR CH Crunch...Sorrells/Nigerino cross.
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[jeeperino]

You guys can pay $1000+ for a sorrells pup that is DNA certified if you want. Pick up a Gazette and you can buy a piece of history any time you want. LOL
Problem with that is.... so can I. I'm sure they are outstanding dogs that throw ability and gameness into everything they touch.

As far as being 10x gamer than jeep lines...They very well could be(Do you think B.S. and Tatonka game test before or after the DNA testing??) since I never owned one and never will,I guess Ill have to find out the hard way.

The only Sorrells dogs that I have looked into are Raisin,Sailor,Hard Eyes, Sophisticated Sam, and Cuervo Gold. Couldnt see spending all that $$ for a pup I couldnt even return if it didnt turn out.

I dont run just jeep lines. I have Eli(Nigerino),Cottons Bullet,Bolio,Red Devil, and Baers. So its not like I just stick to one line, Im open to whatever is the best available.

YIS

[ChAnimal]

You guys can pay $1000+ for a sorrells pup that is DNA certified if you want. Pick up a Gazette and you can buy a piece of history any time you want. LOL
Problem with that is.... so can I. I'm sure they are outstanding dogs that throw ability and gameness into everything they touch.

As far as being 10x gamer than jeep lines...They very well could be(Do you think B.S. and Tatonka game test before or after the DNA testing??) since I never owned one and never will,I guess Ill have to find out the hard way.

The only Sorrells dogs that I have looked into are Raisin,Sailor,Hard Eyes, Sophisticated Sam, and Cuervo Gold. Couldnt see spending all that $$ for a pup I couldnt even return if it didnt turn out.

I dont run just jeep lines. I have Eli(Nigerino),Cottons Bullet,Bolio,Red Devil, and Baers. So its not like I just stick to one line, Im open to whatever is the best available.

YISUm what happen to the "im not into the 30 min dogs", cause some of them line are MORE 30 min dogs than the soorrells dogs will ever be. In recent times Gr CH crunch, More recent GR CH ajax, Ch Silver 4xw 1xgl (beat 3 GR CH and 1 CH). Them dogs u mentioned are good but there have been much better in them lines. Please Jeeprino do me a favour, just get one off something that has been producing and i gaurentee u will like the product. U said u havent seen them hunt? Then how can it not be your cup of tea if havent tried the tea yet?

[jeeperino]

Honestly, if I found a good dogman with some good Sorrells dogs I would feed one if given the chance. If it is a performer, I dont care how its bred.You dont have to defend the line. It is a respectable line.

As far as my dogs go. Jeep/Eli/Bolio will produce dogs with WIND and BITE if you do it right. I have plenty of room and time where I am at. No problems here.
YIS

[ChAnimal]

Honestly, if I found a good dogman with some good Sorrells dogs I would feed one if given the chance. If it is a performer, I dont care how its bred.You dont have to defend the line. It is a respectable line.

As far as my dogs go. Jeep/Eli/Bolio will produce dogs with WIND and BITE if you do it right. I have plenty of room and time where I am at. No problems here.
YIS
I was just saying, since u clearly said u never seen one hunt then how can u make that assumption?

[jeeperino]

Can you post some Sorrells dogs peds that you like?? In the last 5 years or so that line has not done as much at the Jeep/RB,Yellow,Boudreaux,Patricks,Boyles,Garners,Cardin s and even Wildside.

http://grandchampionajax.com/PEDIGREES.html

Like I said,Commercial. That is just a few lines that I know are hitting RIGHT NOW. I know I left out plenty. If you can give me an example of Sorrells producing better please show me.

Just making convo, I've never seen one hunted cause nobody runs it around me. They run all that other stuff I mentioned earlier. I bet you Sorrells dogs have plenty of ADBA CH. to brag about.
YIS

[ChAnimal]

Can you post some Sorrells dogs peds that you like?? In the last 5 years or so that line has not done as much at the Jeep/RB,Yellow,Boudreaux,Patricks,Boyles,Garners,Cardin s and even Wildside.

http://grandchampionajax.com/PEDIGREES.html

Like I said,Commercial. That is just a few lines that I know are hitting RIGHT NOW. I know I left out plenty. If you can give me an example of Sorrells producing better please show me.

Just making convo, I've never seen one hunted cause nobody runs it around me. They run all that other stuff I mentioned earlier. I bet you Sorrells dogs have plenty of ADBA CH. to brag about.
YIS

1) http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=5984,
2) http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=117753
3) http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=72726
4) http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=92520
5) http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=78348

just a couple? should i put some more?
???

[jeeperino]

I bet you have plenty more you can post. The peds all are impressive.

I dont keep up with the Sorrells dogs much, but I think some of those dogs are pretty old. Which ones are the most recent Ch's? By saying recent I mean 5 yrs ago at the most.

Here is one for you. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=154410 one helluva ear sucker, LOL

YIS

[ChAnimal]

I bet you have plenty more you can post. The peds all are impressive.

I dont keep up with the Sorrells dogs much, but I think some of those dogs are pretty old. Which ones are the most recent Ch's? By saying recent I mean 5 yrs ago at the most.

Here is one for you. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=154410 one helluva ear sucker, LOL

YISUmmm they all are in that 5 yr range (or their offspring are).............................................
Edit: posted wrong ped on the first here it is http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=141498

[jeeperino]

of course the offspring would be. Have the offspring won anything lately is what Im asking?

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Inbreeding to a brother, would do nothing to tighten up on the lines, it would intensify the good and bad traits of those particular dogs, but at the end, it would just be an inbred jumble of dogs. By breeding it to a heavy or pure redboy dog, it would tighten up the lines as most of the dogs breeding is redboy crosses to being with.
BBI am always glad to read your post. True and honest education (Not just on this post).

[ChAnimal]

of course the offspring would be. Have the offspring won anything lately is what Im asking?
Obviously im talkin to an idiot so ill just let it go.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Respect to Ch Animal and Jeeperino! Very good back and forth and no bashing. I will certainly place more attention to your posts from here on.

[jeeperino]

I'll be an idiot.
Why dont you post me another ped of a Ch. from Croatia, Serbia-Montenegro, Sweden or even Australia?? We all know they are far superior to the states as far as game dogs go. LOL

Just tell me the YEAR the dogs won the Ch. is all you have to do. Not post some ped that I have no idea what year the dog accomplished the task. I bet you dont know.

[ChAnimal]

Can you post some Sorrells dogs peds that you like?? In the last 5 years or so that line has not done as much at the Jeep/RB,Yellow,Boudreaux,Patricks,Boyles,Garners,Cardin s and even Wildside.

http://grandchampionajax.com/PEDIGREES.html

Like I said,Commercial. That is just a few lines that I know are hitting RIGHT NOW. I know I left out plenty. If you can give me an example of Sorrells producing better please show me.

Just making convo, I've never seen one hunted cause nobody runs it around me. They run all that other stuff I mentioned earlier. I bet you Sorrells dogs have plenty of ADBA CH. to brag about.
YISWas this not your original question, did i not answer it sufficantly of coarse i will post dogs from my region, what does that not make them winners? AND u said in the last 5 yrs so i told you now you want exact yr? next time, who they went into? and the weather next? What does this have to do with the sorrells dogs not being quality dogs?

[jeeperino]

How hard is it to say... so and so won in 05, or so and so won in 02? Im not asking any more than that. If you showed me recent Ch.'s I couldnt tell by looking at the peds what year it happened. Why dont you tell me the people who matched them's full name and address too?LOL I hardly think asking for a year is too much. If you know sooooo much about them you should know.

YIS

[ChAnimal]

How hard is it to say... so and so won in 05, or so and so won in 02? Im not asking any more than that. If you showed me recent Ch.'s I couldnt tell by looking at the peds what year it happened. Why dont you tell me the people who matched them's full name and address too?LOL I hardly think asking for a year is too much. If you know sooooo much about them you should know.

YIS
They are all recent and are within 5 yrs, i will not lie and say i know the exact yrs if you asked for that in the start i wouldnt have answered. You said within 5 years and i answered that.

[miakoda]

How hard is it to say... so and so won in 05, or so and so won in 02?
It's VERY hard b/c this board does NOT, & I repeat, does NOT allow the discussion of modern day dog fighting due to the fact that it has been illegal in this country (where the vast majority of our members live) since the 1970's. We only allow them in the historical context. Ch. Animal is only abiding by our forum's rules. Why don't you.

[jeeperino]

If the topic turned illegal, I'm sorry. BTY he didnt say he couldnt post years because of the RULES. All apologies for not being specific CH. Animal.

[miakoda]

If the topic turned illegal, I'm sorry. BTY he didnt say he couldnt post years because of the RULES. All apologies for not being specific CH. Animal.
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[masta of game]

i have learned allot from reading this thread .. thanks guys.. special thanks Bubba

[rhumble]

im with you masta
it was a very nice reading