Best Alligator Stud

[YoungLion]

who would you say is a stud that has proven to throw game dogs ?(alligator dogs)

God bless

[YoungLion]

did alligator club's bronx throw good ones???????????????

[AC]

did alligator club's bronx throw good ones???????????????
Yep he did. But his offspring are in very few select hands.

[CB]

Bronx is probably your best bet.

[AC]

Bronx is probably your best bet.
Bronx is R.I.P. as of Jan. 2006.

[YoungLion]

Yep he did. But his offspring are in very few select hands.
how are the ones off the TEXASHEAT breedings lookin.and sorry to here about bronx.

[jeeperino]

I dont know of any current alligator studs. I do know I like that Rufus stuff out of the alligator dogs ive seen.

[AC]

They are still acting like pups. They are still pretty young. This is one of my fav. son of bronx a heck a bulldog. Not much in the looks department but who needs em.


http://i3.tinypic.com/zjh5jq.jpg

[14rock]

Its impossible to tell where scars come from in person, any sensible vet will tell you that there is not even a way for them to look hands-on and say definitevly "these scars are from a dog". Those cuts/scars could of come from anything, from a kennel accident, hog-hunting, wild game (badgers,coons,opposums,etc), even to barbed wire fences! Making dog-fighting accusations is not tolerated on the board, and if a vet cannot tell the diffrence hands-on, you understand how uneducated it is for a newbie to reason as such, from a pic none-the-less.

[pitbulliest]

I don't think it should matter whether I'm a newbie on the forum or not...if you're going to use that excuse to try and discredit my posts...then I'm sorry to say but that's just sad...it has to do with my experience as a cruelty investigator and my knowledge of the breed, not how many posts I've made in this forum...

Either way, it was more of a question than an accusation anyways. I was asking "dare I say dog fighting?"...meaning, I was concerned on why the dog looked the way it did...and was wondering if that could have been a potential scenario...its concern for the breed that I love most...I'm not sure who deleted my post, but if they had a problem they could have at least PMed me first and asked instead of making assumptions on what I was saying.

I was looking at the picture..from what I saw, the dog is quite scarred up...not to mention, its on a 2-4 foot chain maybe? To me, it looked a bit disturbing so I posted about it to see if anyone had anything to say...if you're offended, then tell me why (besides of course the fact that I'm new and made such a bold statement *rolls eyes*)

[simms]

Looks alright to me, he's up on all fours.

[pitbulliest]

well I'll give you this...you're definately right..this breed is not for everyone...
*sigh*

[AC]

I don't think it should matter whether I'm a newbie on the forum or not...if you're going to use that excuse to try and discredit my posts...then I'm sorry to say but that's just sad...it has to do with my experience as a cruelty investigator and my knowledge of the breed, not how many posts I've made in this forum...

Either way, it was more of a question than an accusation anyways. I was asking "dare I say dog fighting?"...meaning, I was concerned on why the dog looked the way it did...and was wondering if that could have been a potential scenario...its concern for the breed that I love most...I'm not sure who deleted my post, but if they had a problem they could have at least PMed me first and asked instead of making assumptions on what I was saying.

I was looking at the picture..from what I saw, the dog is quite scarred up...not to mention, its on a 2-4 foot chain maybe? To me, it looked a bit disturbing so I posted about it to see if anyone had anything to say...if you're offended, then tell me why (besides of course the fact that I'm new and made such a bold statement *rolls eyes*)
I didn't get to see the deleted post but dare I say. My dog is none of your concern. I don't need to explain anything to anyone. Especially someone I don't even know? LoL not trying to be rude but my dog is just fine and since I'm the only one that cleans his shit and feeds him then leave it be. I don't fight dogs or support it if that's what you are insinuating. Let's just leave it at that. Thank you.

[stlcardfan19]

way to make friends. Nice to meet you. lol

[AC]

way to make friends. Nice to meet you. lol
Hello stlcardfan! nice to meet you! :D

[14rock]

Pitbulliest- I used the term "newbie" not to the tune of you just signing up, but in regards to the comparisson between vets and us. I dont know how long you have been involved with the breed, or anything about you, but I think its safe to assume someone with the credentials of a vet wouldnt make claims that have no basis in fact. The "2-4 foot chain" statement, shows you are about as educated as the idiots who reported on the FB case "with all the dogs tied to 3 foot chains". Its quite clear the chain is at least 8 feet, and more likely closer to 10. This is the prefered length of chain, because this optimizes the balance between freedom to move/weight. We would all love 45' chains for every dog, but that is way too much weight to be putting on a dogs neck! 10 foot in any direction from the center post, is much more room than it looks like, and is actually usually more room than a kennel affords.

I was the one who deleted your post, on the basis that even mentioning someone is a dog-fighter can bring serious reprocussions today. I thought I was quite clear in the "dog-fighting accusations will not be tolerated on the board" in my post, but if not, I appologize. If you would like to discuss this further, we may do so in pm's. Thank you.

[pitbulliest]

Hello stlcardfan! nice to meet you! :DAC..if that's your dog, then I was commeting on the picture, as to be honest with you...he looks tattered up...whether or not he was used for fighting I never stated, simply ASKED to get a response...and you replied..so I'm happy to hear...

your statement about your dog being no one else's business is pretty faulty, considering it is someone's business: humane societies, animal services, police, responsible owners that give a rat's azz.... it is their business...if it was no one's business what people do with their dogs, dog fighting would still be legal in all of the US...but its not because it became someone else's business to step in...

However, if you take great care of your dog, good for you...I'm happy for the dog...like I said, it shouldn't offend you if you're not "that type"...because I was questioning what I saw...and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that...

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14 Rock: the fact that you just insulted me by saying that I'm as stupid as the idiots that reported on the FB case really makes me want to carry on a further conversation with you...you set a wonderful example...again I wasn't 100% sure of how long the damn chain was for crying out loud...did you even read my post? I said "2-4 feet chain maybe?"....apparently it was longer...that's wonderful...it didn't look like that to me from the picture...if you are going to claim that I'm an uneducated idiot when you've clearly mentioned that you don't know anything about me or my background with this breed, then I really don't know what else I could possibly say to you...lol

[BamaBoy]

Lately I've been wondering about all those agencies you mentioned......do any of them support working dogs? I mean those dogs that work livestock, those used in search and rescue, and hunting dogs just to name a few.
As a responsible owner or group of responsible owners,it's none of your business about my business...including my dogs.
It has been my experience that folks who have working dogs absolutely take better care of their dogs than those "responsible owners" you mentioned.
It's not so much that you questioned what you saw...but how you posed the question. And, just because you raised a question, doesn't mean that it will be answered to your satisfaction.

[pitbulliest]

BamaBoy..well it just so happens that it was answered to my satisfaction...the owner came out and said she takes good care of her dogs...that's the best I can get over the internet and I can't really ask for more.

I respect your opinion...I also know many owners of working dogs, and have chatted with a few myself - alot of them are great people with amazingly well kept dogs who are healthy, fit, and well cared for and loved...and I'm kinda laughing to myself considering the fact that you automatically assumed that I did not group working dog owners under "responsible owners?"...

I'm thinking to myself that we must have different meanings of what a responsible owner really is.....and quite frankly, I'm not too sure on where you are going with this so perhaps you can explain it better to me. How did this go from me making a comment of concern about a picture of a pit bull to working dog owners being labelled as irresponsible? *confused*

[ChAnimal]

I don't think it should matter whether I'm a newbie on the forum or not...if you're going to use that excuse to try and discredit my posts...then I'm sorry to say but that's just sad...it has to do with my experience as a cruelty investigator and my knowledge of the breed, not how many posts I've made in this forum...

Either way, it was more of a question than an accusation anyways. I was asking "dare I say dog fighting?"...meaning, I was concerned on why the dog looked the way it did...and was wondering if that could have been a potential scenario...its concern for the breed that I love most...I'm not sure who deleted my post, but if they had a problem they could have at least PMed me first and asked instead of making assumptions on what I was saying.

I was looking at the picture..from what I saw, the dog is quite scarred up...not to mention, its on a 2-4 foot chain maybe? To me, it looked a bit disturbing so I posted about it to see if anyone had anything to say...if you're offended, then tell me why (besides of course the fact that I'm new and made such a bold statement *rolls eyes*)
Bieng an animal cruelty investigator doesnt make u shit in my books, and it means u know shit. What do you know about the breed besides makin assumptions. Plz in the future keep those comments to your self.

[simms]

your statement about your dog being no one else's business is pretty faulty, considering it is someone's business: humane societies, animal services, police, responsible owners that give a rat's azz.... it is their business...if it was no one's business what people do with their dogs, dog fighting would still be legal in all of the US...but its not because it became someone else's business to step in...

Hey ,is there any reason that we cant have a lil smiley dude flippin the bird?...LOL

[pitbulliest]

Bieng an animal cruelty investigator doesnt make u shit in my books, and it means u know shit. What do you know about the breed besides makin assumptions. Plz in the future keep those comments to your self.
ChAnimal...it was a genuine concern for the dog...if you don't like it, you are more than welcome not to read it...besides, was it your dog?

I simply mentioned that I work as an animal cruelty investigator because I have seen dogs that have looked just like that as a result of fighting...I don't expect that to mean anything in your books because thats not where my pit bull experience and knowledge comes from anyways - but since you don't know me, you really wouldn't know :) Thank you and have a nice day.

[Marty]

pitbulliest... you have been told by 14rock that dog-fighting accusations is not tolerated on this board, I am telling you so this is your second warning, I really don't care if your a animal cruelty investigator from Canada, this site is in the US! I will quote 14rock... Its impossible to tell where scars come from in person, any sensible vet will tell you that there is not even a way for them to look hands-on and say definitevly "these scars are from a dog". Those cuts/scars could of come from anything, from a kennel accident, hog-hunting, wild game (badgers,coons,opposums,etc), even to barbed wire fences!

So don't come on here trying to throw weight around because your a animal cruelty investigator we really don't care.

And yes this is just as good as saying someone is fighting their dogs...
that dog looks like its been through hell....
do I dare say dog fighting?

One more time and you will not be back.

[CB]

Animal Cruelty Investigator = Snitch
Snitch = No respect on this site

To be a Cruelty Investigator you sure are fast to judge someone on the internet about there dogs. I think you should watch out how you accuse things on the internet before you get someone in trouble for shit thats not happening. If i was marty i wouldnt have gave you a warning i would kick you off the site because of accusing people of a crime like dog fighting.

[BamaBoy]

BamaBoy..well it just so happens that it was answered to my satisfaction...the owner came out and said she takes good care of her dogs...that's the best I can get over the internet and I can't really ask for more.

I respect your opinion...I also know many owners of working dogs, and have chatted with a few myself - alot of them are great people with amazingly well kept dogs who are healthy, fit, and well cared for and loved...and I'm kinda laughing to myself considering the fact that you automatically assumed that I did not group working dog owners under "responsible owners?"...

I'm thinking to myself that we must have different meanings of what a responsible owner really is.....and quite frankly, I'm not too sure on where you are going with this so perhaps you can explain it better to me. How did this go from me making a comment of concern about a picture of a pit bull to working dog owners being labelled as irresponsible? *confused*
My point is simply this (I know it is a generalization, but it has been my exeperience): most pet owners have no clue as to what a true working dog is. Many a good working breed has been reduced to nothing more than lap dogs because they were the current "in" breed. To much breeding for form (conformation) ahead of function. But I digress...my dogs are utilized to aid in control the feral hog population, which does millions of dollars worth of damage each year to farmers and ranchers. Now, these critters don't want to be caught and most dogs at a minimum have a scar or two to prove it. We use cur dogs to find the hogs and various strains of bulldogs to catch them.

To the uninformed animal lover seeing one of my bulldogs for the first time, what do you think would be the first thing that they thought after seeing the scars? Do you think they would consider me a responsible owner? Some may give me the benefit of the doubt, but most probably wouldn't.

My definition of a responsible owner (short version): one who ensures his animal is in peak working condition.

[ChAnimal]

ChAnimal...it was a genuine concern for the dog...if you don't like it, you are more than welcome not to read it...besides, was it your dog?

I simply mentioned that I work as an animal cruelty investigator because I have seen dogs that have looked just like that as a result of fighting...I don't expect that to mean anything in your books because thats not where my pit bull experience and knowledge comes from anyways - but since you don't know me, you really wouldn't know :) Thank you and have a nice day.
YOUR CONCERN IS BULLSHIT, its not your dog ok its AC's dog now no one cares that your a cruelty officer, get over it.

[backfire]

i hear you man alot of these people on here make the wrong assumptions as alot of people make about the breed but the sad thing is that these people on here think that they know it all in which i dont either but at least i dont think it but who cares

[backfire]

everyone knows everything damn thats a good thing sure wish i did

[Marty]

Just keep reading.

Nobody knows it all, but we can try ;)

[ghost 1]

I don't think it should matter whether I'm a newbie on the forum or not...if you're going to use that excuse to try and discredit my posts...then I'm sorry to say but that's just sad...it has to do with my experience as a cruelty investigator and my knowledge of the breed, not how many posts I've made in this forum...

Either way, it was more of a question than an accusation anyways. I was asking "dare I say dog fighting?"...meaning, I was concerned on why the dog looked the way it did...and was wondering if that could have been a potential scenario...its concern for the breed that I love most...I'm not sure who deleted my post, but if they had a problem they could have at least PMed me first and asked instead of making assumptions on what I was saying.

I was looking at the picture..from what I saw, the dog is quite scarred up...not to mention, its on a 2-4 foot chain maybe? To me, it looked a bit disturbing so I posted about it to see if anyone had anything to say...if you're offended, then tell me why (besides of course the fact that I'm new and made such a bold statement *rolls eyes*)Thats not scars from fighting,, it happened when he got all up in a ol girls first heat,, and the ol snatch like to killed the poor boy,,,lmao,,, shows what they know

[ghost 1]

Animal Cruelty Investigator = Snitch
Snitch = No respect on this site

To be a Cruelty Investigator you sure are fast to judge someone on the internet about there dogs. I think you should watch out how you accuse things on the internet before you get someone in trouble for shit thats not happening. If i was marty i wouldnt have gave you a warning i would kick you off the site because of accusing people of a crime like dog fighting.

omg let me hide my fire breathing fighting pitbulls before she raids me,,,,Damn almost piss myself,,, LMFAO

[realonebulldog]

ChAnimal...it was a genuine concern for the dog...if you don't like it, you are more than welcome not to read it...besides, was it your dog?

I simply mentioned that I work as an animal cruelty investigator because I have seen dogs that have looked just like that as a result of fighting...I don't expect that to mean anything in your books because thats not where my pit bull experience and knowledge comes from anyways - but since you don't know me, you really wouldn't know :) Thank you and have a nice day. Search for another hobby....

[pitbulliest]

lol I'm really laughing to myself right now considering the fact that all of you seem to be bringing up the point that I mentioned working in animal cruelty investigation, but your ignorance simply does not allow you to realize the reason for me mentioning that: I mentioned it because on that job, you see dogs in that condition and 90% as a result of dog fighting...perhaps its a local coincidence? - hence I brought it up - NOT to prove my credentials and knowledge of this breed......if all of you will be using my animal cruelty investigation comment as a reason to stab me over and over again, then I'm laughing my azz off as we speak...GET OVER IT AND GET OVER IT FAST...I'm not bragging, I'm not trying to prove how intelligent I am because of my job...would some of you who still haven't realized that like me to translate this in a few other languages to clear it up for you for crying out loud?

As for this forum, it was my mistake for coming here...I'm a member of various other pit bull forums, where the members simply don't have the same definition of what it means to be responsible owner...and yes, have educated and brought to attention irresponsible owners of their unacceptable actions....if you all think that what I questioned earlier on in this discussion is unacceptable, then I'm sorry to hear that you are the type of people that probably wouldn't even call 911 if you saw someone being murdered in front of you (at least that's the impression I'm given right off the bat due to your attacks on my comment).

I'm dissapointed to say that pit bull owners are definately not united in their way of thinking - and that is the number one reason that this breed has gone down hill...its quite sad frankly and that's why I'll say again, alot of people definately should not have a right to own these dogs, period!

I wish you all the best of luck with your dogs, and I hope you take great care of them - you owe it to the breed. You are all welcome to post more, but I won't be here to read it...I'm not comfortable being a member of a forum that does not question people's motivations...

There were many things on the forum, especially some of the sticky's that I found informative and I thank you for the opportunity to allowing me to learn even more about the breed. To the owner of the tattered up dog, I appologize if you truely do have good intensions for your dogs....good luck with your animals and keep them well. To the rest of you, good luck and good day.

[houstonapbt]

lol I'm really laughing to myself right now considering the fact that all of you seem to be bringing up the point that I mentioned working in animal cruelty investigation, but your ignorance simply does not allow you to realize the reason for me mentioning that: I mentioned it because on that job, you see dogs in that condition and 90% as a result of dog fighting...perhaps its a local coincidence? - hence I brought it up - NOT to prove my credentials and knowledge of this breed......if all of you will be using my animal cruelty investigation comment as a reason to stab me over and over again, then I'm laughing my azz off as we speak...GET OVER IT AND GET OVER IT FAST...I'm not bragging, I'm not trying to prove how intelligent I am because of my job...would some of you who still haven't realized that like me to translate this in a few other languages to clear it up for you for crying out loud?

As for this forum, it was my mistake for coming here...I'm a member of various other pit bull forums, where the members simply don't have the same definition of what it means to be responsible owner...and yes, have educated and brought to attention irresponsible owners of their unacceptable actions....if you all think that what I questioned earlier on in this discussion is unacceptable, then I'm sorry to hear that you are the type of people that probably wouldn't even call 911 if you saw someone being murdered in front of you (at least that's the impression I'm given right off the bat due to your attacks on my comment).

I'm dissapointed to say that pit bull owners are definately not united in their way of thinking - and that is the number one reason that this breed has gone down hill...its quite sad frankly and that's why I'll say again, alot of people definately should not have a right to own these dogs, period!

I wish you all the best of luck with your dogs, and I hope you take great care of them - you owe it to the breed. You are all welcome to post more, but I won't be here to read it...I'm not comfortable being a member of a forum that does not question people's motivations...

There were many things on the forum, especially some of the sticky's that I found informative and I thank you for the opportunity to allowing me to learn even more about the breed. To the owner of the tattered up dog, I appologize if you truely do have good intensions for your dogs....good luck with your animals and keep them well. To the rest of you, good luck and good day.LMAO! You didn't prove how intelligent you are because of your job. Instead, you proved how IGNORANT of the breed and it's working abilities/habits you are. Since you like to make accusations I'll make one of my own. YOU are the type of person that gets great dogmen like Mr. B caught up in shit for NO reason! YOU are the type of person that dry snitches. YOU are the type of person that doesn't deserve to even experience who these dogs are! YOU are the type of person that owns a couple of poor examples of this breed and think you know it all! YOU are the type of person that then goes and gets a game bred APBT and doesn't know how to control or contain the animal! YOU are the type of person that ends up on the news talking about how your dog was sweet and loved everyone until he matured and killed the Rott next door! YOU are the type of person that I'd personally slap the taste out of.

[Suki]

guys n' gals:

remember that the subject here is "Best Alligator Stud"
Please try to stay on topic, and keep the personal opinions to your PM's.
Thanks!:)

[14rock]

You are all welcome to post more, but I won't be here to read it...I'm not comfortable being a member of a forum that does not question people's motivations... Goodbye then, I'll do you the favor of removing your username from this awful site. :)