apbt/platterdale terrier cross

[wisconsindog]

do u think this could work yes and no and whys please

[prettyfulpitbull]

Got a pic of both breeds next to each other?

[GSDbulldog]

What would be the point of mixing the two? You seem hooked up on creating mutts.

I believe it has been done before, but I don't know the results. Both breeds are driven, tenacious dogs with their own qualities.

[GSDbulldog]

& for prettyful,

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images11/Patterdale%20Terrierminer2.jpg
Patterdale Terrier

http://www.gamedog.info/photos/rosie.jpg

APBT

[findrodhere]

wisconsin, you must be looking for the holy grail of dogs, man. Try it, i doubt you'll produce anything of any merit.

*Edit* and if the litter is no good, would you be able to find the mixes homes for the next 10-15 years?

[Valley.Princess]

that dog would be ugly

[GSDbulldog]

Cause we all know it's about looks. . .

[wisconsindog]

well i think i might work but not possitive just interesting to me that people done even heard dogmen doing it
http://www.pittrpatter.com/APBTbreedstandard.html

[Aceman]

just for thought sake,,anyone ever seen a APBT bread with a Boxer????i,m wondering what that would look like????

[wisconsindog]

Seen It A Few Times
And They Look Like More Under Bitin Apbt

[B]

Is there a reason why you can't understand that people breed these dogs a certain way because it works? For thousands of years this breed has developed into what it is today. I've never seen a single post of yours that gives me any confidence you have a half a change to improve ANY breed. Why are you set on breeding mutts, crossing show dogs with gamebred dogs, and overall just coming up with the most asnine ideas I've ever heard? How are you improving this breed by experimenting with unknown dogs and crosses? From the sounds of it I don't think you should be breeding any dog, let alone an APBT. Let's keep your pipe dream crossbreedings to yourself. I would hate for a guest or newbie to read your post and think anyone else thinks about this type of stuff.

Regards,

B

[wisconsindog]

http://www.gotpetsonline.com/pictures/gallery/dogs/molosser-dogs/bull-boxers/

[wisconsindog]

I Am Not Gonna Breed Them I Jsut Wanna No Differnt Veiws On It Shit If They Were Not Apbts I Would Not Breed Them I Just Think Alot Of Ppl Do And Some Of The Hybrids Have To Work In A Good Breeding Program

[bahamutt99]

I've seen a Pitterpat. Actually not a bad-looking little dog, and a hell of a puller. But, I'm still fundamentally against deliberately crossing breeds, unless you're really going to go the distance and make another breed.

[wisconsindog]

i agree with u on that

[miakoda]

Is there a reason why you can't understand that people breed these dogs a certain way because it works? For thousands of years this breed has developed into what it is today. I've never seen a single post of yours that gives me any confidence you have a half a change to improve ANY breed. Why are you set on breeding mutts, crossing show dogs with gamebred dogs, and overall just coming up with the most asnine ideas I've ever heard? How are you improving this breed by experimenting with unknown dogs and crosses? From the sounds of it I don't think you should be breeding any dog, let alone an APBT. Let's keep your pipe dream crossbreedings to yourself. I would hate for a guest or newbie to read your post and think anyone else thinks about this type of stuff.

Regards,

BThank you B. Again, I agree wholeheartedly.

Wisconsin, I am tired of hearing about the endless breeding of mutts, especially when everyday for the past 4 years, I had to euthanize many of mutts like those you are purposefully breeding b/c of termperment issues, health issues, lack of a home, idiotic owners who let them get out of control, etc. I'm tired of cleaning up after other people's messes all because they want to play scientist in the breeding of "new & rare" kinds of dogs.

You constent persistence in "improving" the APBT by combining it with breeds such as the Akita & God knows what else really makes me wonder if you truly love the breed, or you love the name "American Pit Bull Terrier" & the ego trip it gives someone to say they are a owner & breeder of such dogs.

[pennsooner]

Good Patterdale breeders are just as hardcore as the most serious game-dog breeder.

What is the reason for the breeding? If it is just to "look cool" then that would be an outrage to the fanciers of two of the greatest working breeds in the world.


Both these breeds should only be bred for working ability. And NO Ethical Patterdale breeder will sell you a dog to cross to a Pitbull. And the reverse is true as well.


Oh well, I don't doubt you can find what PASSES for a Patterdale and what passes for a Pitbull and breed the two, for whatever strange reason you seem to want to make the wierd, badly thought out breedings you seem obbsessed with.

[J M A N]

I personally disagree with crossing pits with anything else. Most of the dog related horror stories we hear about come from pit crosses but since it looks like a pit, the pit gets the blame.

Too me.....there is no other dog.

[cheekymunkee]

If the APBT isn't good enough for you just the way it is perhaps you need to find another breed all together. This breed does not need to be mixed with ANY thing to make it the perfect dog, it already is, anything else is inferiour.

[Marty]

I agree 100%, reps to you ;)

[sy82nj]

patterdale'sare gamedog in their own right. a shouldn't be bred to apbt. if you looking for a crazy cross www.chimerakennels.com (http://www.chimerakennels.com)

[wisconsindog]

i think all bull sh.. to the side it would take endless breeding to complete any thing like this and also have u guys heard they were a part of are breed like they were crossed with ofrns just heard it and wondered thanx

[Doggy]

I remember a while back Ca Jack was thinking about breeding a male patterdale to one of his small females.

[miakoda]

Ok, all bullsh*t to the side: we have MORE THAN ENOUGH mutts on this earth with hundreds of thousands every day with those remaining left to wander the streets. We do NOT need any more.

[B]

CA Jack is a moron. Enough said.

Regards,

B

[bahamutt99]

For curiosity's sake, here's a pic of Sanchez, the Pitterpat I was talking about in my last post. Again, don't agree with deliberate crossbreeding, but he's a neat little dog.

[slinky]

CA Jack is a moron. Enough said.

Regards,

B
WHY Jack a Moron ?? Ok so he is not the Easiest dogman to get on with..
But you cant take away his Knowledge/Breeding for bulldogs..!!

[B]

He stole tips and tricks from other people, made a cheesy book, and peddled them to people. I also don't believe he's been honest with a lot of dogs he claims great things about. You can feel however you want about him but it won't change my views. Honesty makes a man and I don't deal with people that I don't consider such. I would never deal with him. I think you can put two and two together.

Regards,

B

[davidlau_2002]

why would anyone want to mix the two? what characteristic of a platterdale cross would you want to accentuate an apbt?

[pennsooner]

One thing to consider. Patterdales are bred (when bred tradionaly) just to work. And when a breeder needs a dog to go to ground after dangerous prey (badgers) they do breed some Staffybull into their lines.

But, its done by true Patterdale breeders for a reason. If you look around the net at Patterdales you'll notice they look a LOT different from dog to dog and thats one reason why. They do whatever they need to get the desired product for the work they need.

I can't think of any good reason why a Bulldog man would add in Patterdale.

[realonebulldog]

One thing to consider. Patterdales are bred (when bred tradionaly) just to work. And when a breeder needs a dog to go to ground after dangerous prey (badgers) they do breed some Staffybull into their lines.

But, its done by true Patterdale breeders for a reason. If you look around the net at Patterdales you'll notice they look a LOT different from dog to dog and thats one reason why. They do whatever they need to get the desired product for the work they need.

I can't think of any good reason why a Bulldog man would add in Patterdale......Exactly......... you get better Terrier with the help of Bulldogs....but its imposible to bred better Bulldogs with the help of Terrierblood.Thats why the APBT is a Bulldog and not any kind of Terrier.

[wisconsindog]

.....Exactly......... you get better Terrier with the help of Bulldogs....but its imposible to bred better Bulldogs with the help of Terrierblood.Thats why the APBT is a Bulldog and not any kind of Terrier.
actually there is historic evidence of terrier blood in are dogs.and who is a peddler?anyways it is said they were pure bulldogs and it is also said they added they white english terrier and some manchester terrier it was said they added gameness when adding terrier blood but i belive people bred anything to make dogs work!

[Mouser]

You all crack me up, you don't think this was done 100-200yrs ago???? Look at old photos, and you can clearly see, smaller pits, that are a bit more racy, their blood flows in the veins of your APBT's guarenteed. Here's one I bred, 22 lbs. and owned by one of my friends. Unless your matching your dogs, she's as good as any on here. Just think about that last statement.....she looks like a pit, acts like a pit, just smaller. Perfect for the house, easy keeper, don't eat as much, and not as imposing to your nosy neighbors that are scared of the big bad pitbull. What can your dog do that she can't????? Check out Colby's Spring, she's the same size as him, maybe he had some terrier blood in him??? Now don't you all eat me up at once. Mouser

[wisconsindog]

these dogs would not last i dont think in the bocks

[bronxpits]

U said act like a pit looks like a pit etc what about putting it in a box with a pit u will see a big difference I'm not saying fight your dog I'm just saying there's a difference

[stlcardfan19]

who is ca jack? Why would he want to cross the two

[Mouser]

U said act like a pit looks like a pit etc what about putting it in a box with a pit u will see a big difference I'm not saying fight your dog I'm just saying there's a difference Now we will never know that will we, if you had one that small, well your guess is as good as mine. Anyway we all know that is illegal, and is no real way to test these game dogs these days:rolleyes:. It would be easy to get on here and do the whole internet tough guy thing, my dog is tougher than yours, LOL! Truth is you can't legally test your dogs, so your opinion is no more valid than mine on what a cross-bred dog could do. All I'm saying, is that they have the same personality, and looks, all the things I love about pits, just in a smaller easier to manage package. Just think of it like this a hundred years ago you seen a lot more small dogs, and looking at the pics they weren't as uniform as they are today. That lets me know they did and do have other things mixed in them. There was no DNA testing, and probably not many chainlink pens to ensure exactly who the sire to every litter was, yes they were tested, and any that fell short were culled, but that don't mean other blood couldn't have slipped in. Let me pose a question to you, if you introduce foreign blood, and breed it down 5X's what amount of that foreign blood is left??? Theoritically they are 1/32 to 31/32 ratio, right? But if you bred for a certain trait could you keep that coming up, and breed for it alone? Look at the little terriers, someone has already said they add bull blood to give their dogs more grit, well you don't know working terriers, but anyway it's done often, and I know a guy that has been breeding working terriers in England for 20 yrs. He originally bred some bull blood into his terriers, and then stopped, only breeding their offspring to gain the bull traits he wanted, and lose the ones he didn't like, like dog aggression. 15 or so odd years later, his dogs look just like small pits, with narrow chest to get to ground. They are reknowned for their hardness, and are the size that work for fox in his part of the world. Broaden your picture and accept the past these dogs have, or at least the possibility of what I'm saying. Reguardless, I have a plan and I plan on carrying it out to see what happens, and yes I plan on making sure my pups are placed in good homes, as best as anyone else can assure. Our biggest problem started at the turn of the century, when all the big name dog men started getting too old to do anything else, or too greedy and sold to the general public. Had they not did that probably no one on this board, save a few, would even know what a pit bull was, I for one am sorry they did, but also glad I had the oppurtunity to own and love this amazing breed of dog. Personally I don't feel like I'm putting anything in them that ain't already there, at least my dogs will be healthy, athletic, have the proper conformation to do what they were originally bred for, unlike these barrel chested bow legged dogs that can't walk a 1/4 of a mile without passing out. Fire away, but do go easy, I'm old and soft. Mouser P.S. I won't be calling my dogs Pit Bulls.

[realonebulldog]

Now we will never know that will we, if you had one that small, well your guess is as good as mine. Anyway we all know that is illegal, and is no real way to test these game dogs these days:rolleyes:. It would be easy to get on here and do the whole internet tough guy thing, my dog is tougher than yours, LOL! Truth is you can't legally test your dogs, so your opinion is no more valid than mine on what a cross-bred dog could do. All I'm saying, is that they have the same personality, and looks, all the things I love about pits, just in a smaller easier to manage package. Just think of it like this a hundred years ago you seen a lot more small dogs, and looking at the pics they weren't as uniform as they are today. That lets me know they did and do have other things mixed in them. There was no DNA testing, and probably not many chainlink pens to ensure exactly who the sire to every litter was, yes they were tested, and any that fell short were culled, but that don't mean other blood couldn't have slipped in. Let me pose a question to you, if you introduce foreign blood, and breed it down 5X's what amount of that foreign blood is left??? Theoritically they are 1/32 to 31/32 ratio, right? But if you bred for a certain trait could you keep that coming up, and breed for it alone? Look at the little terriers, someone has already said they add bull blood to give their dogs more grit, well you don't know working terriers, but anyway it's done often, and I know a guy that has been breeding working terriers in England for 20 yrs. He originally bred some bull blood into his terriers, and then stopped, only breeding their offspring to gain the bull traits he wanted, and lose the ones he didn't like, like dog aggression. 15 or so odd years later, his dogs look just like small pits, with narrow chest to get to ground. They are reknowned for their hardness, and are the size that work for fox in his part of the world. Broaden your picture and accept the past these dogs have, or at least the possibility of what I'm saying. Reguardless, I have a plan and I plan on carrying it out to see what happens, and yes I plan on making sure my pups are placed in good homes, as best as anyone else can assure. Our biggest problem started at the turn of the century, when all the big name dog men started getting too old to do anything else, or too greedy and sold to the general public. Had they not did that probably no one on this board, save a few, would even know what a pit bull was, I for one am sorry they did, but also glad I had the oppurtunity to own and love this amazing breed of dog. Personally I don't feel like I'm putting anything in them that ain't already there, at least my dogs will be healthy, athletic, have the proper conformation to do what they were originally bred for, unlike these barrel chested bow legged dogs that can't walk a 1/4 of a mile without passing out. Fire away, but do go easy, I'm old and soft. Mouser P.S. I won't be calling my dogs Pit Bulls. You said it time and time again....Hunter use Bulldogblood to get better hunter, or in other words to get better fighter. And thats nothing but the trues. If you put Bulldogblood in the genpool you get awesome fighter regardless if you mix them with sheepherds, poodles or Terrier because Bulldogblood is the essens of fighting the essens of gameness. Your Idea is this: Bulldog +Terrier = A better fightdog then the (real) Bulldog. Thats a mistake. Bulldogs have it all....they need nothing from Terrier. In fact Terrier need something from Bulldogs (like many many other breds ;) ). Look Mouser, I try to make it as easy as possible.....how many litter from short haired Terriers have you seen in wich was a long haired one to find? Yes right it happens often... I know that. And how many long haired Pitbulls have you seen? I tell you one thing...before they crossed Bulldogblood into Terrier there exist no short haired Terrier.....try to read it...i know its hard because of my spelling...lol..by the way...maybe 3 - 4 % Terrierblood if we talk about the real Pit stuff....if you get close to the game, strange blood is rare to the vanishpoint....trust me the genetic task cleans the backyard.

[ChAnimal]

You said it time and time again....Hunter use Bulldogblood to get better hunter, or in other words to get better fighter. And thats nothing but the trues. If you put Bulldogblood in the genpool you get awesome fighter regardless if you mix them with sheepherds, poodles or Terrier because Bulldogblood is the essens of fighting the essens of gameness. Your Idea is this: Bulldog +Terrier = A better fightdog then the (real) Bulldog. Thats a mistake. Bulldogs have it all....they need nothing from Terrier. In fact Terrier need something from Bulldogs (like many many other breds ;) ). Look Mouser, I try to make it as easy as possible.....how many litter from short haired Terriers have you seen in wich was a long haired one to find? Yes right it happens often... I know that. And how many long haired Pitbulls have you seen? I tell you one thing...before they crossed Bulldogblood into Terrier there exist no short haired Terrier.....try to read it...i know its hard because of my spelling...lol..by the way...maybe 3 - 4 % Terrierblood if we talk about the real Pit stuff....if you get close to the game, strange blood is rare to the vanishpoint....trust me the genetic task cleans the backyard.
Wait a sec name me one bulldog that would be game without terrier blood? any?

[B]

Wait a sec name me one bulldog that would be game without terrier blood? any?Prove that the bulldog isn't adding the gameness and I'll try. As I've said before, these dogs were mixed with terriers when they had to become smaller and enter the rat pits. This made the dogs more tenacious and fast due to their size and shape but that doesn't mean that they are more or less game. Some terriers might be dog aggressive but once that situation is reversed and they start taking punishment there is no guarantee they are in it for the long haul. Only when ratting was stopped did they start to pit dogs against each other in large scale events. I'm sure it happened before that but not the extent that was to follow. There is no proof that either or changed the dog in any way except possibly size and stature. Working dogs are combos of whatever makes them successful. I've actively hunted with go to ground terriers and I've seen all sorts of mixed terriers accomplish their goal. These animals work in groups many times. Bulldogs were plenty game to be bear and bull baiting. How would you not consider a bulldog game that took its death taking on a bear or a bull? I'd love to hear what you call that drive and determination. That's the kind of gameness I appreciate in my dogs.

Regards,

B

[realonebulldog]

Wait a sec name me one bulldog that would be game without terrier blood? any? All! Unless you think that 3-4 % Terrierblood is important for anything. I answered this question in my last post.

[Mouser]

[QUOTE=B]"Prove that the bulldog isn't adding the gameness and I'll try. As I've said before, these dogs were mixed with terriers when they had to become smaller and enter the rat pits. This made the dogs more tenacious and fast due to their size and shape but that doesn't mean that they are more or less game." That is exactly my point, I don't think adding the terrier blood changed the dogs that much, except size, and that's what I'm looking for. "There is no proof that either or changed the dog in any way except possibly size and stature." " I've actively hunted with go to ground terriers and I've seen all sorts of mixed terriers accomplish their goal. These animals work in groups many times."If your dog needs help in a hunting situation, well I'd start looking for another dog to replace him, unless it was a coyote or something. " Bulldogs were plenty game to be bear and bull baiting. How would you not consider a bulldog game that took its death taking on a bear or a bull? I'd love to hear what you call that drive and determination. That's the kind of gameness I appreciate in my dogs."I would consider them game, but I've seen terriers that would try to tackle anything too! I think we all appreciate the same thing in these dogs, I'm just looking for something in a smaller package, and like I said, I don't plan on calling them pitbulls anyway, so I don't see the big deal. I think it was rock 14 that posted a link for Chimera, while I don't agree that we should be using any form of pitbull for attack work, I can see a huge difference in the dogs that they are producing and that of the big blue mastiffs, mainly they are still able to function as working dogs, and I don't recall anywhere on their site that they are calling their dogs pitbulls, but bandogs. Does that make sense??? I'm a rational thinker, and I think alot of people that have gotten envolved with pitbulls are not, truthfully, alot are right on the edge of being anti's because their attitudes for how these type of dogs were developed are anti. If it was legal to persue all options in testing dogs today, 95% of these folks wouldn't and they would still call their dogs game, now tell me I'm wrong!! Mouser

[B]

I'm a rational thinker, and I think alot of people that have gotten envolved with pitbulls are not, truthfully, alot are right on the edge of being anti's because their attitudes for how these type of dogs were developed are anti. If it was legal to persue all options in testing dogs today, 95% of these folks wouldn't and they would still call their dogs game, now tell me I'm wrong!!
My posts were never directed at you Mouser. I agree 100% with what you said in the end of your post that I quote above. These were not my terriers and they were hunting ground hogs and other ground game. They hunted in small teams. I don't own or use these terriers but I find most anything working to be of my interest. I've only gone on several hunts as a spectator and sometimes involuntary shovel user! A few of the dogs got so down that they couldn't get back out with whatever they got ahold of.

Regards,

B

[Mouser]

You said it time and time again....Hunter use Bulldogblood to get better hunter, or in other words to get better fighter. And thats nothing but the trues. No, you said that, the bull blood isn't used for hunting ability, or fighting, the terriers can already do that, it's for more bottom end, and mouth I'll give that to the bulldog. If you put Bulldogblood in the genpool you get awesome fighter regardless if you mix them with sheepherds, poodles or Terrier because Bulldogblood is the essens of fighting the essens of gameness. Your Idea is this: Bulldog +Terrier = A better fightdog then the (real) Bulldog. Thats a mistake. No, I'm not looking to create a new fighting dog, I don't want a dog with the heart of a bulldog, alittle more laid back than the terriers, and a go gettem attitude. Bulldogs have it all....they need nothing from Terrier. In fact Terrier need something from Bulldogs (like many many other breds ;) ). Look Mouser, I try to make it as easy as possible.....how many litter from short haired Terriers have you seen in wich was a long haired one to find? It all depends on what type of terrier your breeding, their are several types that consitantly throw shorthair dogs, with no broken coats. Yes right it happens often... I know that. And how many long haired Pitbulls have you seen? I tell you one thing...before they crossed Bulldogblood into Terrier there exist no short haired Terrier.....try to read it...i know its hard because of my spelling...lol..by the way...maybe 3 - 4 % Terrierblood if we talk about the real Pit stuff....if you get close to the game, strange blood is rare to the vanishpoint....trust me the genetic task cleans the backyard. Just curious Realonebulldog, what part of the world are you from?? Your speech tells me, that your not from around here, LOL! Remember, I'm not trying to better the pit, just shrink him down, and maintain him that way. Mouser

[Mouser]

My posts were never directed at you Mouser. I agree 100% with what you said in the end of your post that I quote above. These were not my terriers and they were hunting ground hogs and other ground game. They hunted in small teams. I don't own or use these terriers but I find most anything working to be of my interest. I've only gone on several hunts as a spectator and sometimes involuntary shovel user! A few of the dogs got so down that they couldn't get back out with whatever they got ahold of.

Regards,

B B, I wasn't directing that to you either, your Irish and we all know we love to fight, LOL! I agree with Realonebulldog in this one thing bulldog blood makes most any dog better, except an earthworking dog in the states, LOL, their too big to go to ground. I'd be interested in how many dogs in the world can trace some of their lineage back to bulldogs? I can think of many that can, Mt. Curs, Pointers, Greyhounds, Austrailain cattle dogs, EBT's, just to name a few, and I'm sure the list is very long. Mouser

[jessiepbg]

I think I may have seen a pit bull boxer cross. It was a long time ago, so I'm not sure. The one I saw just looked like a tall, thin pit bull with a shortish nose. It wasn't quite boxer short, but it wasn't a pit nose either. It was a pretty nice looking dog, but I wouldn't recommend breeding them. There are too many mixes already to be making more.

This is supposed to be a boxer/pit. I think he looks a bit houndy though.
http://www.chirowebb.com/assets/images/kei_150_x_100.jpg

[ghost 1]

You all crack me up, you don't think this was done 100-200yrs ago???? Look at old photos, and you can clearly see, smaller pits, that are a bit more racy, their blood flows in the veins of your APBT's guarenteed. Here's one I bred, 22 lbs. and owned by one of my friends. Unless your matching your dogs, she's as good as any on here. Just think about that last statement.....she looks like a pit, acts like a pit, just smaller. Perfect for the house, easy keeper, don't eat as much, and not as imposing to your nosy neighbors that are scared of the big bad pitbull. What can your dog do that she can't????? Check out Colby's Spring, she's the same size as him, maybe he had some terrier blood in him??? Now don't you all eat me up at once. Mouser

and when it bites someone it will be put on a pitbull,,,,WDog post stuff like this to create chaos, and it's actually silly,,, if he doesn,t want a pitbull he needs to raise labs or shepards or something,,,other than a half breed mutt,, go to the pound and you can get someone else platter-pit mutt,,,WDOG

[wisconsindog]

and when it bites someone it will be put on a pitbull,,,,WDog post stuff like this to create chaos, and it's actually silly,,, if he doesn,t want a pitbull he needs to raise labs or shepards or something,,,other than a half breed mutt,, go to the pound and you can get someone else platter-pit mutt,,,WDOG
look i dont want nothing but a true apbt i just said i bet dog men do it and i was right dont hate the player hate the game

[Mouser]

and when it bites someone it will be put on a pitbull,,,,WDog post stuff like this to create chaos, and it's actually silly,,, if he doesn,t want a pitbull he needs to raise labs or shepards or something,,,other than a half breed mutt,, go to the pound and you can get someone else platter-pit mutt,,,WDOG And just why are you assuming that it would bite someone???? Just because it's got some pit in it???? What ever, Mouser

[14rock]

Mouser-I think he is just thinking about down the road. It seems you have a clear goal and a mind sound enough to put forth good breeding practices and produce great dogs. While I dont agree with it, its your business when its all said and done.

Maybe you become extremely successful and these dogs catch the eye of the fad breeders. Next thing you know, these dogs are selling like hot-cakes...and every dick and jane with 200 bucks can buy a poorely bred pitbull/patterdale (as is the case with so many other "fad" mutts right now, such as the labradoodle, cockerdoodle, etc).

When these poor examples start being bred and placed in non-working homes with people that just want a "cute little pitbull" and one has a tempermant problem due to breeding practices (i.e. lack of culling and good brood stock), its upbringing, or other behavioral problems stemming from a irresponsible owner...what then. The dog bites, and we all know the paper probably wont even mention a little known breed as the Patterdale, the headlines will read "Killer pocket-pits out for blood!!!".

ETA- I know the patterdale breeders would just assume keep a good thing going and keep it from the general publics eye to ruin it. A good APBT will want to keep their dogs out of the hands of the general public also. What that leaves is poor examples of the breed, that will be shunned by both of its ancestors breeds. If you do it and it works, keep that stock in your own yard and dont tell no one. If no one knows, no one can exploit it!

[ghost 1]

And just why are you assuming that it would bite someone???? Just because it's got some pit in it???? What ever, Mouser
most of the time it's some half breed backyard dog that ends up biting someone and just because it looks simular to a pitbull ,,it ends up blamed on the breed ,,,,so whatever somewhere else,,,i wasn't really relaying toward you mouser,,, last time he wanted to breed a pitbull to a akita,,, and ended up this long silly thread ,,, just curious mouser how long you had pitbulls?

[wisconsindog]

look man i did not wanna breed them just heard an d seen them breed so dont put words in my mouth i just said it could work i have a open mind you should too

[Mouser]

Ghost 1, Eleven yrs. and counting, I had a stint when I didn't own any because of home owners insurance. Rock, I understand fully the plight of the pitbull, and mutts that resemble them, that bite. When looking for my current pitbull, I witnessed several dogs with long hair, weird body shapes, and various things that let me know they were mixed. All of the above said dogs were registered. I do not plan on calling my dogs pitbulls, and I don't plan on telling what they are mixed with, I don't believe I ever said I would use patterdales either, there are alot of terriers available for my needs. Like you said it's really my own business what I do with my own dogs. I'll ask you a question, where did you get your dogs??? Some one bred them, and either gave them too you, or sold them too you, right??? I don't understand how people think they are the only one's worthy to own these animals. I fully realize that not everyone is capable of being a good owner of any kind of dog, let alone a pitbull, and that is where being judical when placing your pups comes in. Reading off the internet, I hope I don't come across as being a know it all, because I'm far from it, but I do have a plan, and will carry it out. Thanks, Mouser

[realonebulldog]

B, I wasn't directing that to you either, your Irish and we all know we love to fight, LOL! I agree with Realonebulldog in this one thing bulldog blood makes most any dog better, except an earthworking dog in the states, LOL, their too big to go to ground. I'd be interested in how many dogs in the world can trace some of their lineage back to bulldogs? I can think of many that can, Mt. Curs, Pointers, Greyhounds, Austrailain cattle dogs, EBT's, just to name a few, and I'm sure the list is very long. Mouser Again....you said it: They are to big to go to ground. And exactly that is one of the reasons for the Bulldog Terrier crosses in the old days...the Terrier likes to go to ground but he is not able to kill a adult Badger one on one. And the Bulldog is able to kill the Badger one on one but he is not able to go to the ground. I read often in old Books that the Bulldog was special used to kill the Badger but I never really understood that because I thougt its J U S T a badger...until the day my dog met one.