My Greyline Dog

[builtmorepits]

I was always a fan of all pits. Including classic game dogs, Greyline, and RE. I just wanted to let you know there are a couple of good Gotti dogs out there. I recently went to a pit bull show in Alabama and people couldn't believe my dog is so much Greyline with a little RE. She has not been breed for the huge head and super low body and I have worked her so she has the body she has today. She's not perfect but she is diffently a great looking dog. She also is a proven wieght puller in NKC show and she will champion out. I just wanted to see what you guys thought of her because I recieved alot of compliments at a show that was all game dogs and no one paid any attention to my Sonia's and Crenshaw dog, well until she won the wieght pull ;)

[builtmorepits]

Here's her ped too
http://www.freewebs.com/builtmorepits/females.htm

[GSDbulldog]

Good looker. ;)

[14rock]

A little too big and thick for my liking, but she appears to have a good owner. Let me say, I am glad she has an owner who keeps her weight reasonable and works her. It looks like you've done the best with what you receieved, and theres nothing wrong with that!

[builtmorepits]

She is a little thick. I've been letting her get a little heavy. Last pull show she wieghed in at a surprising 47lbs which was too big for her. The show before she wieghed 42lbs and looked great. So she is on a diet and harder training schedule now. At 42lbs she pulled 2065lbs which is really good for her second pull show.

[Bullyboi]

Nice looking dog and it good your working her and keeping her in shape, i agree to thick for my liking also but nice size. Im surpised she doesnt look alot worse with Juan Gotti in the ped (no offense meant).

[PiTBuLL200416]

That is the nicest Greyline/RE I've seen yet because it looks like it can move which alot of the Greyline/RE dogs lack today (A healthy Weight and life), Great Dog raised by a great owner

[builtmorepits]

No offense taken. She's still getting in shape. Juan Gotti is one of the deformed characteristic dogs. I bought my girl when she was 4 months old and got a great deal on her. Guess why? She was too small, her head wasn't big enough, she's not blue, and she's not wide or short enough. And I told them she looks great I'll take her!

[PiTBuLL200416]

Is there any way you can get more pics so I will be able to fully check her out.

[builtmorepits]

I've got a couple. But they don't show her very well. I don't have many pics since I just got my camera last week. But her they are

[builtmorepits]

trying to attach pics

[Bullyboi]

trying to attach picsHe looks way better than most of the RE and Greyline dogs i see, Much better.. .and i like that you can admit juan gotti is deformed because many people wouldnt. I agree get some more pics please lol.

[prettyfulpitbull]

Pretty Dog!

[builtmorepits]

Last one I got. Sorry they suck

[findrodhere]

looks mixed

[CominStrong]

She don't looked mixed, for a greyline/RE dog, she looks great. You should be proud of her. That's one of the good things about the apbt, there is something for everyone in it, unfortunately, the others who don't like one type, don't care to force there opinion on why they think the dog is shit to them, when really people should kept there trap whole shut unless it's positive contrustive critisism. That is not my type of dog, I've been breeding game dogs for many, many years, but I'm glad you got her and she looks happy.
One of the downsides to the "Gottiline" type dogs which is big in the west coast area is the more freakish looking it is, the higher the value or stud fee, which leaves good deals on the runts of the litter, hehehe.

[findrodhere]

She don't looked mixed, for a greyline/RE dog, she looks great. You should be proud of her. That's one of the good things about the apbt, there is something for everyone in it, unfortunately, the others who don't like one type, don't care to force there opinion on why they think the dog is shit to them, when really people should kept there trap whole shut unless it's positive contrustive critisism. That is not my type of dog, I've been breeding game dogs for many, many years, but I'm glad you got her and she looks happy.lol,,for an apbt she looks mixed, her ped just backs that opinion up. I don't like these dogs because people register them as apbts and tote them around as such. YOU breed gamedogs, gamedogs are apbts, can you really say this dog is an apbt? No, if you did, you'd be lying. I have a problem with the mislabeling, if there's any doubt as to the dog's ancestors being apbts, then i don't think you should be calling it one, especially when the dog has gotti for a grandfather and 'throwin knuckles' backin that up.

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Builtmorepits:
I say, spay the dog and love her, but don't register her as a pitbull, pit-mix will do just fine.
I also saw the website her ped was on and it lead me to believe that you're gonna breed her, so most of the stuff anyone says will go in one ear and out the other.

everyday a new argument over bluffs, why don't you guys who love them so bad call em by another name? apbt is taken, you all gave that up when you chose to feed dogs that had mixed lineage.

[builtmorepits]

Gotti might be ugly and not a real apbt but I'd take him in a heartbeat. I don't know about you people but when your dog is worth that much money I wouldn't care if people said it was a cat. I don't do this for money but if I did I'd want Juan Gotti.
And I'm sure game wise my girl has just as much heart as most game dogs. I've seen her tire many Eli, Carver, boudreaux dogs out.

[GSDbulldog]

Gotti might be ugly and not a real apbt but I'd take him in a heartbeat. I don't know about you people but when your dog is worth that much money I wouldn't care if people said it was a cat. I don't do this for money but if I did I'd want Juan Gotti.
And I'm sure game wise my girl has just as much heart as most game dogs. I've seen her tire many Eli, Carver, boudreaux dogs out.
:rolleyes: Money? You say you aren't in this for money, but just before that you said "but when your dog is worth that much I wouldn't care if people said it was a cat." Money has no place in thee dogs. A mutt is a mutt is a mutt. No amount of money will change that.

Do you know what the word "game" entails? I've seen Chihuahuas tire out bulldogs, does that mean those little buggers are game dogs? If so, I could be making a pretty penny. Imagine it? True pocket pits :rolleyes:

[findrodhere]

Gotti might be ugly and not a real apbt but I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Okay....you want to feed an ugly mutt? or you want to make money peddling pups?

I don't know about you people but when your dog is worth that much money I wouldn't care if people said it was a cat. I don't do this for money but if I did I'd want Juan Gotti.

Yeah, read your first sentence, you're all over the place.

And I'm sure game wise my girl has just as much heart as most game dogs. I've seen her tire many Eli, Carver, boudreaux dogs out.
hmmm...i'm sure they were just sooo game. good luck with her, you may have a grand champ on your hands.
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[builtmorepits]

I don't breed dogs. I don't care about money, I can make more at my job and do less work than it would take to raise tons of pups. I haven't even had a male dog. The only reason I own a pit bull is I like the pull shows. German Shepards are more my kind of dogs. A friend of mine that deals with German Shepards and Dobermans got me into trying and pull these dogs. I made the website just to show people pictures because I'm proud of my dogs. My dog has had two heats and I haven't even tried to breed her. Alot of people do this for money so if you do I'd have Juan Gotti. Juan Gotti isn't breed for fighting, he's breed to make money and that's the way some people are. I haven't ever had a litter before and have no plans to in the future.
You people get so defensive over your "game dogs" its rediculous. Alot of people have different tastes and if Juan Gotti is their idea of a pit then let it be. I could care less. I think you can find a good dog no matter what bloodlines. That's why I bought my dog, tons of energy and a well built dog IMO, and that's why I started this thread to show her off and show people some greyline dogs aren't mutants.

[GSDbulldog]

I will defend my "game dogs" to my deathbed. They'd do the same for us.

What have I been saying over and over? A mutt is a mutt is a mutt. No amount of papers, opioins, or money can change a dogs breeding. The end.

GSD

[CominStrong]

Well I wish I could make money at selling gamedogs. After all the work, feed, supplements and medical care, I come out in the hole everytime.:(

[Defend2DaEnd]

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No plans to breed huh? You also have a nice list of dogs produced at builtmore on
http://www.freewebs.com/builtmorepits/funpicsshowpics.htm

And you have a male coming this weekend?

Your dog looks more like an AmBull than anything.

[presacanario]

I will defend my "game dogs" to my deathbed. They'd do the same for us.

What have I been saying over and over? A mutt is a mutt is a mutt. No amount of papers, opioins, or money can change a dogs breeding. The end.

GSD
couldnt have said it better myself no wonder why i dont come on here much anymore

[GSDbulldog]

Hey, OT, but presa, you got Presas lol?

[builtmorepits]

Well I did breed once to try and keep a line of one of my dogs going, but no dogs came out just like him so I didn't keep any. He was an amstaff no doubt. I wouldn't ever breed to profit because unless you get a crazy amount of money you can't profit. I really have never tried to get a game dog until I got the male ironline dog. I hope everything works out with him. I know he can play for hours now. I know you guys will love Rocky, the dog I did breed to a female of a friend that made my produced page, so I'll give you a pic. Can't wait to see comments on him :)

[builtmorepits]

Here he is, game as they come ;)

[GSDbulldog]

Troll? :rolleyes:

But to humor you, here's MY dEaD gamE GraND ChAmPPeOn!!#!. . . Of the food bowl.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/gamedgoz/Howie1.jpg

[builtmorepits]

I wish I had a side picture of him. My 70 year old grandpa bought him and the first thing he did was dock his tail. It looked horrible but he liked it.

[GSDbulldog]

I wish I had a side picture of him. My 70 year old grandpa bought him and the first thing he did was dock his tail. It looked horrible but he liked it.
I thought it was customary to dock an English bulldogs tail? ;) Just kiddin'. I am. Really.

[Verderben]

findrodhere why are you SO DAMN RUDE all the time ! Every dog anyone posts you call a mutt. Why such nastiness ? Who cares what the dog is mutt or not. If he had a cocker spaniel and wanted to post pics to show everyone his dog he has a right to without being ridiculed.

[Big Papa]

thats nice ogand re there at least she doesnt look like a pig

[GSDbulldog]

findrodhere why are you SO DAMN RUDE all the time ! Every dog anyone posts you call a mutt. Why such nastiness ? Who cares what the dog is mutt or not. If he had a cocker spaniel and wanted to post pics to show everyone his dog he has a right to without being ridiculed.
I'm not sure why he does it. But maybe he's sick & tired of people claiming what they have is something that it isn't?

I have my moments too, so. . .

[Verderben]

I'm not sure why he does it. But maybe he's sick & tired of people claiming what they have is something that it isn't?

I have my moments too, so. . .
You have your moments but every post you put up isnt makeing fun of someone or thier dog like his are. Every post I see from him he is trying to make someone feel bad.

[GSDbulldog]

You have your moments but every post you put up isnt makeing fun of someone or thier dog like his are. Every post I see from him he is trying to make someone feel bad.
I think that would best be brought up in PM with him then. ;)

-GSD

[ppeteypab19]

I went and searched the net to gain for info on gotti's (greyline) and I saw that all the dogs were huge and monsters....I knew that though just proving a point bear with me.....I feel that if thats what you want then no one has the right to stop you go right ahead.....but as far as it being a APBT......its not....but hey...say what you want...i mean according to the standards at least which to all people is the law for breeds......

[Defend2DaEnd]

" don't breed dogs. I don't care about money, I can make more at my job and do less work than it would take to raise tons of pups. I haven't even had a male dog."

"Well I did breed once to try and keep a line of one of my dogs going, but no dogs came out just like him so I didn't keep any."

You contradict yourself. I say fix all your dogs its rather obvious since you didn't keep any puppies you did it for money. Which would class you as a BYB or puppy peddler.

[findrodhere]

findrodhere why are you SO DAMN RUDE all the time ! Every dog anyone posts you call a mutt. Why such nastiness ? Who cares what the dog is mutt or not. If he had a cocker spaniel and wanted to post pics to show everyone his dog he has a right to without being ridiculed.
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Oh highvoltagestaff, where do i begin? You are in the same boat as builtmorepits, you both label dogs incorrectly. Would you rather I tell you that you're amstaffs and re dogs are beautiful and should be breed and registered as apbts? Nope, i won't do that, it would be against my motto of breaking hearts and taking names...I wonder why people are posting pics of mutts on an apbt websites, there are plenty of mutt web sites and forums where yall should go to converse about your mutts. Hey, i've owned mutts and i've loved 'em, but i didn't go around and tell everyone they were a pure breed. You ever hear of false flaggin? well, that's what you and the rest of these mutt owners are doing. It's like calling a scissor a knife.

[mydawgs]

findrodhere why are you SO DAMN RUDE all the time ! Every dog anyone posts you call a mutt. Why such nastiness ? Who cares what the dog is mutt or not. If he had a cocker spaniel and wanted to post pics to show everyone his dog he has a right to without being ridiculed.
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Oh highvoltagestaff, where do i begin? You are in the same boat as builtmorepits, you both label dogs incorrectly. Would you rather I tell you that you're amstaffs and re dogs are beautiful and should be breed and registered as apbts? Nope, i won't do that, it would be against my motto of breaking hearts and taking names...I wonder why people are posting pics of mutts on an apbt websites, there are plenty of mutt web sites and forums where yall should go to converse about your mutts. Hey, i've owned mutts and i've loved 'em, but i didn't go around and tell everyone they were a pure breed. You ever hear of false flaggin? well, that's what you and the rest of these mutt owners are doing. It's like calling a scissor a knife.Hmmmm, from your gallery looks like your dogs are very pet like to me. Do you have issues with anyone that might support the APBT, the Am Staff or the Staffie Bull (all of which are Pit Bulls), or exchange ideas about the breeds of dogs we all seem to care about? And yes I have an APBT (knife) and a fantastic mix-a-mutt Am Staff (scissor).........I think the point is everyone who loves Pits is welcome here, wouldn't you agree????

[devinben3]

pretty girl, not the typical greyline dogs....what i don't get about those dogs is that, they are lacking rear angulation...what ever happened to that? that is a HUGE thing for working dogs! And i'm not hating, just pointing out that the gotti, greyline and those type of dogs have absolutely no rear angulation. i wonder why? anyways, keep up the good work with her! :)

[mydawgs]

pretty girl, not the typical greyline dogs....what i don't get about those dogs is that, they are lacking rear angulation...what ever happened to that? that is a HUGE thing for working dogs! And i'm not hating, just pointing out that the gotti, greyline and those type of dogs have absolutely no rear angulation. i wonder why? anyways, keep up the good work with her! :)

Dev -

Interesting point, what BTW is the rear angulation supposed to provide the dog so it can work better....just wondering?

[builtmorepits]

That is true. I've never noticed the rear angulation before. She has to pull a different way than my other female because she does have a lower rear. But to be honest the best pullers I've seen are diffently amstaff dogs, but that's in the GA, TN area so I don't know how it goes everywhere else. The game dogs all have lower rear ends now that you've brought that up. What does it help? Maybe jumping, pouncing at prey?

[davidlau_2002]

honestly, i don't see anything wrong with what findrodhere is saying. i proudly own a blue amstaff that i acknowledge as an amstaff. i think many people new entering this site don't understand that the term game-dog and apbt refer to proven gamestock bloodlines and that any re gotti line dogs should be mentioned as a bullystyle dog. dogmen have spent countless years raising the stock that they do and losing many dogs in the process. to have someone claim the same moniker without putting that work in is a major insult to a dogman's work. i talked with ed faron on the phone over dogs and immediately understand that i am not on the same wavelength of understanding for game-dogs as he is. Amazing man with a DEEP love for dogs. Thus i was not ready for one of his pups. to own a game-bred apbt is to know their history and what they were prized for. it is not anything as simple as buying a pitbull and calling yourself a pitbull man. this is exactly what brought me to this breed among others. if you don't know the history and information that a seasoned dog man knows, your conversations will always be of apples and oranges. i think that is what causes such a stir with noobs and knowledgable members.
i think that if people, especially those who own pitbulls or any breed similar in size and temperment, are more thick skinned and try not to take things so personal, they would learn and understand a lot more of what is offered at this site. this site is not to reassure one of his/her dog's qualities. (that is on the owner's premise) this site is a tool to help people understand the culture of dog-men(women-sorry devinben and suki) and learn the vast history of game-dogs and the evolution of the breed into modern times. mixing pure-bred game-dogs with others that don't match the standard would be sacriligious in the eyes of a dog-(wo)man.
please don't take what findrodhere is saying as personal but rather understand WHY he is so adamant about his point. all dogs are beautiful and their owners shouldn't need reassurance from others to evaluate the wealth of their dog. take care.

[DryCreek]

honestly, i don't see anything wrong with what findrodhere is saying. i proudly own a blue amstaff that i acknowledge as an amstaff. i think many people new entering this site don't understand that the term game-dog and apbt refer to proven gamestock bloodlines and that any re gotti line dogs should be mentioned as a bullystyle dog. dogmen have spent countless years raising the stock that they do and losing many dogs in the process. to have someone claim the same moniker without putting that work in is a major insult to a dogman's work. i talked with ed faron on the phone over dogs and immediately understand that i am not on the same wavelength of understanding for game-dogs as he is. Amazing man with a DEEP love for dogs. Thus i was not ready for one of his pups. to own a game-bred apbt is to know their history and what they were prized for. it is not anything as simple as buying a pitbull and calling yourself a pitbull man. this is exactly what brought me to this breed among others. if you don't know the history and information that a seasoned dog man knows, your conversations will always be of apples and oranges. i think that is what causes such a stir with noobs and knowledgable members.
i think that if people, especially those who own pitbulls or any breed similar in size and temperment, are more thick skinned and try not to take things so personal, they would learn and understand a lot more of what is offered at this site. this site is not to reassure one of his/her dog's qualities. (that is on the owner's premise) this site is a tool to help people understand the culture of dog-men(women-sorry devinben and suki) and learn the vast history of game-dogs and the evolution of the breed into modern times. mixing pure-bred game-dogs with others that don't match the standard would be sacriligious in the eyes of a dog-(wo)man.
please don't take what findrodhere is saying as personal but rather understand WHY he is so adamant about his point. all dogs are beautiful and their owners shouldn't need reassurance from others to evaluate the wealth of their dog. take care.
Rep points for this post, very well said and shows an understanding and tolerance that a lot of people lack.

[findrodhere]

Hmmmm, from your gallery looks like your dogs are very pet like to me. Do you have issues with anyone that might support the APBT, the Am Staff or the Staffie Bull (all of which are Pit Bulls), or exchange ideas about the breeds of dogs we all seem to care about? And yes I have an APBT (knife) and a fantastic mix-a-mutt Am Staff (scissor).........I think the point is everyone who loves Pits is welcome here, wouldn't you agree????Re-read my post, i got into this argument to point out a mislabeling issue. There's no mixing in my dogs lines, btw. I don't have any issues with pet-quality dogs, especially pet apbts. Although, I don't think a pet apbt-mix or any apbt mix for that reason should be registered as an apbt by a registry (it may be the registry's fault for giving the papers out, but it's the owners fault for intentionally deceiving them). I also feel it is wrong to register a dog as two different breeds (i know there are well known dogs that have been dual registered, but that doesn't make it anymore right). The issue does not lie with pet quality vs gamebred apbts, it lies with amstaff and mixes being represented as apbts. I'm sure the doberman people felt the same way when the 'warlock', 'king' or 'goliath' bloodlines were popular in the 1970s.

Edit* Good post davidlau

[builtmorepits]

I never was trying to say my dog is a game line dog or saying I wanted you guys to praise my dog. I was just showing some of the greyline dogs are good looking dogs and can be well worked and cometitive in working events.
But I got on this site because I wanted helpful info from knowledgable people. Also I do own an iron line dog now and my other female has some game blood, she just isn't tightbreed at all.
Just wanted to clear up I don't think my greyline is a game-dog in any use of the word. And somewhere down the line I'm sure she was crossed with something, but she still is a nice looking dog to me and others pitbull or amstaff or whatever.
By the way I have already learned alot of helpful stuff just reading on this site. It takes alot of work with these gamedogs and that's why alot of know-how is learned.

[findrodhere]

I never was trying to say my dog is a game line dog or saying I wanted you guys to praise my dog. I was just showing some of the greyline dogs are good looking dogs and can be well worked and cometitive in working events.
But I got on this site because I wanted helpful info from knowledgable people. Also I do own an iron line dog now and my other female has some game blood, she just isn't tightbreed at all.
Just wanted to clear up I don't think my greyline is a game-dog in any use of the word. And somewhere down the line I'm sure she was crossed with something, but she still is a nice looking dog to me and others pitbull or amstaff or whatever.
By the way I have already learned alot of helpful stuff just reading on this site. It takes alot of work with these gamedogs and that's why alot of know-how is learned.
Good post, I'm sorry for coming off as such a d*ck.

[mydawgs]

Re-read my post, i got into this argument to point out a mislabeling issue. There's no mixing in my dogs lines, btw. I don't have any issues with pet-quality dogs, especially pet apbts. Although, I don't think a pet apbt-mix or any apbt mix for that reason should be registered as an apbt by a registry (it may be the registry's fault for giving the papers out, but it's the owners fault for intentionally deceiving them). I also feel it is wrong to register a dog as two different breeds (i know there are well known dogs that have been dual registered, but that doesn't make it anymore right). The issue does not lie with pet quality vs gamebred apbts, it lies with amstaff and mixes being represented as apbts. I'm sure the doberman people felt the same way when the 'warlock', 'king' or 'goliath' bloodlines were popular in the 1970s.

Edit* Good post davidlau
Oh I see now, was just confused by the comments requesting "mutts" to use mutt forums and not Game-dog, the mutt folks really need to be here so they can learn from the doggers too, as a proud owner of a fine little mutt :)

[Valley.Princess]

damn.. you all need to leave his dog alone... and just admit he has a great lookin dog... there is nothing wrong with a dog looking thicker... pit bulls come in different sizes... you all are gettin you panties in a bunch for no damn reason

[GSDbulldog]

damn.. you all need to leave his dog alone... and just admit he has a great lookin dog... there is nothing wrong with a dog looking thicker... pit bulls come in different sizes... you all are gettin you panties in a bunch for no damn reason
Well, no duh pit bulls come in different sizes. We're not discussing that. Appearences aren't everything. We're discussing the reasoning behind the breeding, and the fact that Greyline dogs are not APBTs. ;)

I hope your not who I think you are. . .

[Valley.Princess]

Well, no duh pit bulls come in different sizes. We're not discussing that. Appearences aren't everything. We're discussing the reasoning behind the breeding, and the fact that Greyline dogs are not APBTs. ;)

I hope your not who I think you are. . .

who cares if they are or not... you all trip over the smallest things... and yes i am who you think i am... get over it

[GSDbulldog]

We trip over these things because. . . Well, I just won't bother explaining it to someone whose heard it before.

See, HighVoltage? I'm having one of my moments.

-GSD

[pennsooner]

If all the RE/Greyline dogs I saw looked like her I wouldn't object to them so much. She looks much more in balance than most of the Bully dogs I see. Nice job.

[mydawgs]

We trip over these things because. . . Well, I just won't bother explaining it to someone whose heard it before.

See, HighVoltage? I'm having one of my moments.

-GSD
The gentleman has a sweet lookin little dog, he does not appear to care if it is called a staff or bully...that is good. He is workin her and she is excelling....that is great. We as members of game-dog ALL know what makes an APBT...that will never change, it is just nice to see heart from the members regarding this little dog!!!! GSD your not having just any ole moment, your having a moment of clarity and there ain't nothin wrong with that!!!!