View Full Version : why was my thread about blues closed?
IslandTie
04-25-2006, 10:00 AM
i honestly just want to be educated about it... Can a blue be " game bred" and does anyone on here have one? maybe i can go pm with them and learn more...
IslandTie
04-25-2006, 10:12 AM
bump... hello someone...?
chinasmom
04-25-2006, 10:14 AM
Try a search. This topic has been thouroghly discussed.
14rock
04-25-2006, 10:17 AM
I closed your thread, and I did so because this is an easily researchable topic that a search would boggle your mind with answers to it. Besides that, I answered the question. And even further, I closed the thread because its only a matter of time before it becomes a pissing contest and people start throwing chairs and trying to strangle eachother over their opinions on blue dogs.
catcher T
04-25-2006, 10:17 AM
check out this thread
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=533
14rock
04-25-2006, 10:18 AM
Can a blue be " game bred"
Yes, blue is just a color and does occasionally pop-up in gamebreedings.
and does anyone on here have one?
I know some did, whether they are still around or not...I have no idea.
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catcher T
04-25-2006, 10:30 AM
just for grins,,check out this thread
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3625
catcher T
04-25-2006, 10:34 AM
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6483
and this thread,,go in the bloodlines forum,,the ones that have more then 40 replies to a post will be what your looking for,,LOL
IslandTie
04-25-2006, 10:34 AM
well i didnt mean it to turn out that way... :~ i really just wanted to know... anyway i did a search and ill go over it and chinasmom is really helpful... so thank you guys... btw 14rock, how come you can close my forum? honest question... are you admin?
catcher T
04-25-2006, 10:37 AM
well i didnt mean it to turn out that way... :~ i really just wanted to know... anyway i did a search and ill go over it and chinasmom is really helpful... so thank you guys... btw 14rock, how come you can close my forum? honest question... are you admin?
hey,,don't sweat the small stuff,,its all good,,check out the threads I posted for ya,,lots a reading in those
IslandTie
04-25-2006, 10:40 AM
thanks alot catcher t :)
catcher T
04-25-2006, 10:44 AM
your welcome,,now get reading,,there will be a test at the end of the day:D
chinasmom
04-25-2006, 11:06 AM
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13405&highlight=blue+dogs
Don't know if this was posted already.
14rock
04-25-2006, 12:22 PM
btw 14rock, how come you can close my forum? honest question... are you admin?
Moderators (myself included) have the ability to close threads. I'm not an Admin ;)
IslandTie
04-25-2006, 02:55 PM
ok i have read all the threads and have come to a conclusion. colour really doesnt mean shit. you can have a blue dog or a red dog or a green dog that was bred for colour and they are all dogs that where bred for colour. on the other hand you can have a blue game dog or a red game dog or a green game that was bred for game and they are all dogs that where bred for game. simple :) now next question....lol i did some research on the Canary dog, also referred to as the Canario dog. http://www.presa-canario-canary-dogs.com/ please look at the site... these dogs where bred for similar reasons if not the same as the pit bull... can we also call some of these dogs " game dogs" ? game meaning the determenation to complete a task even if it means ones own death.
IslandTie
04-25-2006, 03:20 PM
bump..... i really want to know about this game thing..
PitsInMass
04-25-2006, 06:45 PM
maybe this can help <TABLE height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top><TABLE height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top background=images/bg_dog.gif><TABLE cellPadding=10 width=500><TBODY><TR><TD class=Test vAlign=top>The Color of Gameness by Richard F. Stratton <HR width="100%" noShade SIZE=1>
It is hard to believe now, but I do remember as a youngster how I couldn't quite understand the more experienced pit dog men's preoccupation with gameness. I was more impressed by flash, agility, and talent. My thought was, " Give me the talented dog and let the other guy have the dead game dog!" Now, I know that I am getting old, because I worry about the younger Bulldog men being so preoccupied with barnstormers and not giving sufficient commitment to gameness. There is consolation in the fact that, if these young guys stick around long enough, they, too, will come to appreciate gameness.
I'm going to have more to say in a later article about the nature of gameness and just why it has always been deemed so important by the experienced pit dog man and is even treasured by people who simply want a Bulldog as a pet. For this issue, I simply wanted to discuss color.
Almost all dog men develop a preference for a favorite color in their favorite breed; however, that preference is always quite changeable–depending on what color their most recent favorite dog was. There are some misconceptions, too, about certain dog men favoring a particular color. For example, most people think that Bob Wallace had a particular predilection for red, red-nosed dogs. As a matter of fact, he did greatly admire the Old Family Red Nose line, as his original strain was partly founded on it. But his greatest all-time dogs were Searcy Jeff, Toney, Pistol Pete, Hillbilly, and Madame Queen–all of them brindle dogs. Only King Cotton, who was white, and Curly, who was red and red-nosed, deviated from the brindle pattern among his all-time great ones, so, although Bob certainly appreciated the red ones, he liked the brindles, too, because so many of his good dogs had been that color. One of the last dogs I got from him was Wallace's Star, a black-faced brindle female.
In addition to the fact that dog men develop a preference for a certain coloration, some of them develop a prejudice against a given hue. One pit dog man, who probably just as soon wouldn't be named, swore up and down that he never saw a game red nosed dog in his life. Now his favorite stud dog, and possibly all-time favorite dog, is a red-nosed dog.
I have heard dog men claim that only certain colors within certain strains were game. Some genetic traits can be linked like that, but I think gameness is far too complex a trait to be linked to a specific color. One dog man, who liked black dogs, even cited some scientific evidence which linked a dark eye to the "fast-twitch" type of muscle cell. Examples to support the speculation were the cheetah, a very fast animal, with a black stripe running through the eye, and certain other fast predators. I was unimpressed by that part of the evidence, as I was familiar with many predatory animals, some of them of the ambush type, who all had that line through the eye. To me, it always seemed that the line through the eye was an adaptation toward camouflaging the eye. Prey animals are very much aware of eyes, and it helps predators to have their eyes partly concealed or made to look smaller. Still we have had plenty of good black dogs, including one of my all time favorites, Grand Champion Hope.
At the other end of the spectrum, that most knowledgeable of dog men and a very valued friend, the late Howard Heinzl, never cared for black dogs, and he insisted that black was not a Bulldog coloration. Believe me, I never argued with him, but black is depicted in extremely old pictures of Bulldogs, and, besides, black can come from other colors, from buckskin crossed with cinnamon red, for just one combination. Some of Howard's favorite dogs were white, as some of his best had come that way. His Polly and Dutchess were examples of that. Also, Howard's favorite all-time dog man was John P. Colby, and old "J.P.'s" favorites had been his Pincher and Galtie, two white dogs with black spots.
As for Tudor, he liked any color, as long as the dog was a good one. The only exceptions were the red, red-nosed dogs. Not that he couldn't appreciate them, but he didn't like the color. He admitted that Centipede was truly a great dog but lamented what a shame it was that he was one of those "yellow-eyed, red-nosed dogs." Even Lightner, perhaps the single person most responsible for the emergence of the red-nosed line, told me he never liked the looks of them and got rid of them because of that and because of the fact that they were running too big. How ironic then that this very coloration became a badge of distinction during the era of Wallace and Hemphill and O'Neal, not to mention Jim Williams, and remains so unto this day!
As for me, I know I have the reputation of liking the Old Family Red Nose dogs, and I do as a strain, but they are not my exclusive favorites. I think some of the prettiest dogs are the tawny red colored dogs. If they are well built, this coloration makes them look like young mountain lions. I also have a particular preference for pied dogs, like Dibo's grandsire, Gimp, and Jimmy Boots, not to mention my own Hoover dog, who was a beautiful animal in his youth. Now, like me, he is beginning to lose his beauty!
When I was a mere thirteen years old, I studied the Armitage and Colby books, and I developed favorite dogs in each, and they were almost always brindle. Galvin's Pup was a particular favorite, and he is still my ideal of what a Bulldog should look like. Brindle has always been a traditional Bulldog coloration, even though some other breeds carry it (and they may very well have gotten it from crosses with Bulldogs), but it is usually not appealing to the general public. The point is, though, that there are different types of brindles, with different hues and shades. I prefer the gun-metal grey type of brindle, with a black face–but, surely, even the general public would like the looks of Galvin's Pup!
In the final analysis, though, it isn't the color that counts. You have to be around these dogs a while to realize that gameness is their essence. That is what you build upon; everything else is gravy. So, as for color, I think we can safely say that they come game in all colors. For that reason, I don't care about the color. Just color mine game.
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As for blue dogs, most of them are sought out today by those who want a dog for appearance. I have even heard it said that all blue dogs stem from Staf blood. Being of a skeptical nature, I tend to doubt that "fact." One of the best dogs I ever saw was a blue dog and his brother in a Las Vegas convention. They were both talented and game, but I was never able to ascertain their breeding–but they certainly seemed to have no Staf blood in them. Besides, the Staf standard calls for a black nose, so I doubt that would be the source of the blue dogs. In truth, there are probably a multitude of sources, as it seems to be a simple Mendelian trait.
Readers may be amused to learn that Heinzl once informed me that the last Stratton he knew was an African-American gentleman who had a strain of blue dogs. Again, he didn’t know the breeding on them, but Howard said they were as game a line as he had ever seen. And Howard was tough to please!
People with a little experience are quick to denounce Barney and the blue dogs. I would suggest a little caution in that respect. Barney may have not been the greatest dog of his time, but he beat some really good dogs. And not all blue dogs are alike.
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IslandTie
04-25-2006, 09:11 PM
thank you pits... i found it very interesting and it is kinda what i concluded after reading all the post. however that doesnt answer my question....."now next question....lol i did some research on the Canary dog, also referred to as the Canario dog. http://www.presa-canario-canary-dogs.com/ please look at the site... these dogs where bred for similar reasons if not the same as the pit bull... can we also call some of these dogs " game dogs" ? game meaning the determenation to complete a task even if it means ones own death."
miakoda
04-25-2006, 09:15 PM
thank you pits... i found it very interesting and it is kinda what i concluded after reading all the post. however that doesnt answer my question....."now next question....lol i did some research on the Canary dog, also referred to as the Canario dog. http://www.presa-canario-canary-dogs.com/ please look at the site... these dogs where bred for similar reasons if not the same as the pit bull... can we also call some of these dogs " game dogs" ? game meaning the determenation to complete a task even if it means ones own death."To be honest, the Perro Dogo Canario was NOT originally bred for fighting nor was that ever it's main purpose (however, not that I'm not saying that some were never bred for it, but that was never it's main purpose). It's main use was as a guard dog & a working cattle dog. There are much better & reputable sources of information on the breed & give me a few minutes & I will get them for you.
http://www.moloss.com/brd/mr/p004/
http://www.moloss.com/brd/mr/p004/standard.html
http://www.bulldoginformation.com/molossers-mastiff-type-dogs.html
IslandTie
04-25-2006, 09:19 PM
thank you mia :)
miakoda
04-25-2006, 09:22 PM
Browse through www.moloss.com (http://www.moloss.com). There is a link on the upper left corner that will take you to breeds of the moloss. I think you will enjoy the reading. I know I do. :)
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