what do you think about .....

[CANIL PITBULL DEL HECIAN]

there are some fine bloodlines around, what do you think about this ones, and the goods and bads(traits) of each one:

mayfield/tudor

mayday/rbj

eli/chinaman

nigerino

zebo/angus

bellons ???

carver

[jeeperino]

Almost all the lines you mentioned are from the same blood. RESEARCH peds and you will find this out.

Chinaman/Eli.....Chinaman was a eli/carver cross. So when you say chinaman you are already talkin about a heavily bred Eli dog. Other % is Carver. You know what??? Floyd Band M. Carver generally started with the same blood (Tudor's) and both did it right. Now days most TOP dogs have at LEAST 3 or 4 diff lines in the pedigree. 9 times outta 10 all those lines will trace back to the same stock. I suggest you spend countless hours researching peds anyway you can. Buy old mags and books cause the info aint gonna come cheap. I like the ROM legends books that are available for a start. Old gamedog times are also a good read IMO. YIS

Be prepared to spend the next year or so researching just to get the "basics".

[sy82nj]

mayday is a heavy bred redboy/jocko. the mayday dogs are know to have huge head. rbj are dog with mouth, wind ,and ability

[sy82nj]

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[jeeperino]

mayday is a heavy bred redboy/jocko. the mayday dogs are know to have huge head. rbj are dog with mouth, wind ,and ability
Why did you also leave out that RBJ dogs r known for being dumb?? LOL If you ask me most of this stuff is hearsay and doesnt apply most of the time. Eli dogs are hard mouthed, Zebo dogs are barnstormers, Bolio dogs have good natural wind, jeep dogs are good athletes with high ability, etc..... This can lead to people being biased against certain lines without even seeing them. I hate questions like this cause there is NO REAL answer. A dog is an individual and a product of its PARENTS. Certain traits a line is known for could be LONG GONE after 1 or 2 gens of bad breeding. YIS

Im also a victim of the propaganda...for years I thought the RBJ dogs were dumb with no facts to back it up. Now I know I was an idiot for not considering them based on rumors.

[CANIL PITBULL DEL HECIAN]

Why did you also leave out that RBJ dogs r known for being dumb?? LOL If you ask me most of this stuff is hearsay and doesnt apply most of the time. Eli dogs are hard mouthed, Zebo dogs are barnstormers, Bolio dogs have good natural wind, jeep dogs are good athletes with high ability, etc..... This can lead to people being biased against certain lines without even seeing them. I hate questions like this cause there is NO REAL answer. A dog is an individual and a product of its PARENTS. Certain traits a line is known for could be LONG GONE after 1 or 2 gens of bad breeding. YIS

Im also a victim of the propaganda...for years I thought the RBJ dogs were dumb with no facts to back it up. Now I know I was an idiot for not considering them based on rumors.
Why did you also leave out that RBJ dogs r known for being dumb??
thanks jeperino, thats why i am asking because i don't want to fall in the situation of esteriotipe a bloodline, like you did, i b' seen a lot of pedigrees trying to understand the breedings, but like you said all came from tudor's, the modern lines, but they select the dogs by an individual, and became different, with something special around them.
that's why i ask, kershner dogs said they are the pure tudor family, but boudreaux came from that too, carver also, so how you understand a gamedog bloodline if they came from the same.....

[jeeperino]

If you wernt around during the hayday of our sport you will never know for sure. There are soooooo many rumors, untrue stories, true stories, etc in our breeds history its impossible to sort out fact from fiction. Especially if you listen to what D. Mayfield has written and said about some of the ALL TIME GREAT breeders. IMO the truth is somewhere in between. I've read where Mayfield says that Boudreaux is full of it and his(floyds) yard is based on a dog that came out of a MAYFIELD breeding!!!! It really doesnt matter these days anyway cause the Boudreaux dogs are the truth themselves. 99% of the time I'd take a Boudreaux dog over a Curshner(Kershner) anyway. Did you know that Kershner and Mayfield were butt buddies?? Peddlin away the "TRUTH" to newcomers.

Pure doesnt mean good, as a matter of fact a dog that is too "pure"(inbred) aint really worth much as a performer and would be better suited for breeding to make a cross. I know of a 50/50 Kershner/Bolio cross that made CH.

Read all the stories you can, match reports(can be deceiving), and use the telephone to reach out to other dogmen. Nothing beats hands on exp.

Start with 2 dawgs and a stick and let the cream rise to the top thru time.

YIS

[sy82nj]

jeeprino my dogs are good dogs. and they like to work for me. so holla back

[jeeperino]

DAMN i messed up

[auggiedog]

Mayfield/Tudor

[nikeballer06]

Mayday is really not a heavy RBJ dog but a 50/50 split of it with Hollingsworth (Bolio-Tombstone). Now there are some who prefer breeding the Mayday blood back to the either half of his blood but everybody is different, and some go with different strains/sources of the same bloodline combination. With Mayday being a four way cross, evenly split, you couldn't go wrong going either way.

Most famous dogs from Mayday back to RBJ include:
Gr.Ch. Lukane & Ch. Luiggi (Xuxa, through Ch. Deadlift and Gr.Ch. Rodney )
Gr.Ch. Barracuda (Yellowgirl, through Ch. Deadlift and Gr.Ch. Yellow)

Most famous dogs from Mayday back to Hollingsworth/Bolio-Tombstone
Gr.Ch. Haunch & Ch. Maymay (Polly, full sister to Dolly)

There are more good dogs for sure but those pop up in my head right away as far as their mothers' blood being purely one half of Mayday's four way cross. I love the RBJ/BT cross in general and keeping it tight and right isn't so much of a problem with the different options of going like I stated above. But as of now my Mayday hounds are crossed with Boyles and with the help of my mentor he's assuring me it'll be great as he's having great success with it as well and knows how to continue with it.

Keep doing your homework and research as it'll pay off a great amount instead of jumping right into something you have questions about. Good luck!

[MinorThreat]

Carver, Mayfield and Tudor are people

not bloodlines

[pennsooner]

Yeah, but Colby and Sorrels are both bloodlines and people. Some people develop their own family of dogs instead of breeding of off just a few famous dogs.

[CANIL PITBULL DEL HECIAN]

you are damm right jeperino,, i am reading all i can of gamedogs,, to learn,,,, about the CURSHNER DOGS,,, that why start yhe post,, the truth,,i that mister,, was so hii ego maniac,, when i try to talk whit him,, i wanted to know about the ideas of all about the traits of bloodlines trow to his offsprings.. maybe thats why they are know for... for example in my country we saw show up a little bit of the mayday, patrick, bolio crosses,,,, THEY DONT WANT TO MESS UP THEYRE LIPSTICK,,,, LOL..... about mouth,, dont ofense mean it ...please.......

then was a maverick (boudreaux,) dog,,, that was going for CH,,, agaisnt a mayday, rbj) stop a 44 the boudreaux,,, i was thinking that this mayday,rbj,, allways made it against teh sames bloodlines rbj, patricks,mayday,,, AND IF HE GOES AGAINST A ELI DOG,, MAYBE HE WILL GO DOWN BUT NOOOO,, WHERE WAS THE MOUTH OF THE ELI DOGS... I AM NOT TELLING THAT ALL MUST BE THE SAME,, BUT MUST BE ABOVE THE OTHERS BLOODLINE RIGHT ??? OR LIKE YOU SAID JEPERINO HEAVY INLINE BREEDING IS NOT GOOD AS A PERFORMER..¿¿?? WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW TO MUCH AOBUT THE TRAITS IN DIFERENT BLOODLINES,,,, IS A DIFICULT STEP I THINK ,, WHEN I WANT TO START TO KNOW HOW TO PIC THE RIGHTS FOR MATE,, THATS WHEN I SAY THAT,, YOU KNOW ABOUT THE BLOOD THAT CARRY THE COUPLE, AND THEM KNOW HOW WORK BOTH ,,, THATS BY INDIVIDUALS,,, ????

[nikeballer06]

you are damm right jeperino,, i am reading all i can of gamedogs,, to learn,,,, about the CURSHNER DOGS,,, that why start yhe post,, the truth,,i that mister,, was so hii ego maniac,, when i try to talk whit him,, i wanted to know about the ideas of all about the traits of bloodlines trow to his offsprings.. maybe thats why they are know for... for example in my country we saw show up a little bit of the mayday, patrick, bolio crosses,,,, THEY DONT WANT TO MESS UP THEYRE LIPSTICK,,,, LOL..... about mouth,, dont ofense mean it ...please.......

then was a maverick (boudreaux,) dog,,, that was going for CH,,, agaisnt a mayday, rbj) stop a 44 the boudreaux,,, i was thinking that this mayday,rbj,, allways made it against teh sames bloodlines rbj, patricks,mayday,,, AND IF HE GOES AGAINST A ELI DOG,, MAYBE HE WILL GO DOWN BUT NOOOO,, WHERE WAS THE MOUTH OF THE ELI DOGS... I AM NOT TELLING THAT ALL MUST BE THE SAME,, BUT MUST BE ABOVE THE OTHERS BLOODLINE RIGHT ??? OR LIKE YOU SAID JEPERINO HEAVY INLINE BREEDING IS NOT GOOD AS A PERFORMER..¿¿?? WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW TO MUCH AOBUT THE TRAITS IN DIFERENT BLOODLINES,,,, IS A DIFICULT STEP I THINK ,, WHEN I WANT TO START TO KNOW HOW TO PIC THE RIGHTS FOR MATE,, THATS WHEN I SAY THAT,, YOU KNOW ABOUT THE BLOOD THAT CARRY THE COUPLE, AND THEM KNOW HOW WORK BOTH ,,, THATS BY INDIVIDUALS,,, ????Trying to comprehend what you are trying to state is pretty hard so I'll try my best to help you out.

It seems as if you are stereotyping certain bloodlines based off of what you have heard or read about the foundation dogs of the bloodline; for example, Eli having a good mouth should result in any dog heavy on the blood. There is a good chance, probably better than another blood not showing as good of mouth, that the percentages of Eli bred dogs will have that trait too but is not guaranteed. Sort of like Redboy dogs being game with no mouth is not always the situation as some are mouthy. Refer to 14Rock's post to better understand.

And when it comes down to the matching of dogs nothing is promised or certain that a single trait in a dog will single handedly earn him/her a victory. You expected a hard mouthed Eli dog to do damage to the Mayday dog but have you ever taken time to witness more Eli and/or Mayday dogs and see what similar characteristics you see between their peers? If I told you the Mayday dogs I've seen or known of have all shown to be smart in the box couldn't that trait overcome the power of an Eli dog's mouth with the Mayday dog keeping him/herself from getting hurt and either finishing the Eli or making him/her quit? Matches are won in action, not on paper.

And finally, yes, observing dogs of different blood will help you better understand some of the traits/styles/habits of one bloodline and see how it vastly differs from the next. This is, to me, what makes the dog game so special and unique because you have different options to choose from and whichever suits you best. Once you know that then starting your breedings will come easier as you know what you want and expect and be sure to cull the ones that don't meet your standards.

[auggiedog]

i call my dogs Tudor/Lightner cross since these were the men who bridge the gap between the dogmen of old and today. im not giving a dog credit, he or she was bred by man. the only thing i mention is which dogs they came through.

[440rider]

Carver, Mayfield and Tudor are people

not bloodlines

Yeah, but Colby and Sorrels are both bloodlines and people. Some people develop their own family of dogs instead of breeding of off just a few famous dogs.

I agree to some extent with both statements but i'd say there is a such thing as a family of dogs such as boudreaux, clemmons, mims, sorrells, colby, tudor, hammonds etc. etc. Could it be blood to some I guess but there are so many different variations i tends to not accuratly pinpoint how a dog is bred. Ex...clemmons dogs ....this man bred some of the most influential dogs in eli history..clemmons bred quite a few to say the least in his time, me stating i have a clemmons dog if you know the blood u think sixbits (boze dog)....or could be a nigger toby dog (zeboxeli jr)or the dog could be sixbits/maverick (maverick by ways or skull or reno) or the dog could be heavy sixbits alone. You would get the idea that my dog is eli/boze or boze either way by me stating it's a clemmons dog but you dont get the full idea of how it's bred. I'd say sixbits/maverick which gives you an idea of the blood used and if further explaination is needed i ramble off the ped. Sure it's a clemmons dog because he bred them time after time but the blood is still eli/boze... i guess it all depend on how u want to explain your dogs.

Try this one..... sorrels ch pistol pete..

is this dog a carver dog (due to so many influential carver dogs in the ped within so many gens) is it a heavy bred pistol dog, a black widow dog, a boomerang x pistol dog , a sorrells dog, or just a dibo dog????