Help w/ spraying & I'm looking for another APBT

[TruPitLver]

Hi everyone, my name is Kila (pronounced Key-la). I live in Orlando, Florida (the Apopka/Altamonte Springs area to be exact.) I have one female APBT named Lexas. She's Eli-Aligator game bred. Her ears are NOT cropped and she is NOT sprayed. She is 1 1/2 years old. I had a couple of questions and also a statement or two.
First of all, I have heard rummers that it is not wise to spray/neuter a dog once they're out of puppyhood. Is this true?, because I would like to get Lexas sprayed, but am not willing to risk loosing her due to any complications that may happen b/c of her age, etc.
Second, I am looking for another APBT. These are my preferences:
~Must be Male
~Must be a blue-nose
~I prefer a blue/grey/white color
~Must be no older than 4 months
~I prefer Razor's Edge and/or Gotti bloodlines, but any are acceptable
~I prefer for him to be UKC or ADBA registered
~If he has his first shots, I want legal proof
~Ears may be cropped, but must have proof that they were done by a licensed vet
~Between $0-$450
~Available around September 2006
**BOTH PARENTS AND THE PUP MUST SHOW NO AGGRESSION! THEY MUST BE GOOD WITH CHILDREN AND AT LEAST CONTENT WITH ANIMALS!**


If you know of any breeders in my area, or you are a breeder in my area, please email me at ***Sorry no emails allowed on the site Marty***

[maryellen1]

you should get your female spayed. it wont harm her health. as far as another dog, there are over 5000 dogs for adoption on www.pbrc.net (http://www.pbrc.net) and www.petfinder.org (http://www.petfinder.org) unless if you are planning on showing the new dog. i would suggest an adult dog, as what you see is what you get with dog aggression. just remember, any tiff can set off the dog aggression and you have a 50-50 chance with it. human aggression is not to be tolerated in this breed.

[El Mexicano]

...u splled wrong..but why dont u thin about adopting

[WWII]

It's spay, not spray. And why does it HAVE to be what you requested? I mean, why a male blue nose? Why not a male "any color"? I would also suggest adopting an older dog, too. Lord knows I would if I could.

[houstonapbt]

I'm sure there are plenty of shelters that have what you're looking for. Those "bloodlines" you named are the worst representations of this breed.

[DryCreek]

Hi everyone, my name is Kila (pronounced Key-la). I live in Orlando, Florida (the Apopka/Altamonte Springs area to be exact.) I have one female APBT named Lexas. She's Eli-Aligator game bred. Her ears are NOT cropped and she is NOT sprayed. She is 1 1/2 years old. I had a couple of questions and also a statement or two.



First of all, I have heard rummers that it is not wise to spray/neuter a dog once they're out of puppyhood. Is this true?, because I would like to get Lexas sprayed, but am not willing to risk loosing her due to any complications that may happen b/c of her age, etc.

Second, I am looking for another APBT. These are my preferences:

~Must be Male
~Must be a blue-nose
~I prefer a blue/grey/white color
~Must be no older than 4 months
~I prefer Razor's Edge and/or Gotti bloodlines, but any are acceptable
~I prefer for him to be UKC or ADBA registered
~If he has his first shots, I want legal proof
~Ears may be cropped, but must have proof that they were done by a licensed vet
~Between $0-$450
~Available around September 2006

**BOTH PARENTS AND THE PUP MUST SHOW NO AGGRESSION! THEY MUST BE GOOD WITH CHILDREN AND AT LEAST CONTENT WITH ANIMALS!**
If you know of any breeders in my area, or you are a breeder in my area, please email me at


I suggest you read the forum rules......and your demands are not likely to be met here. Go to a shelter and adopt an animal in need instead of thinking of your own needs.

[DryCreek]

I suggest you read the forum rules......and your demands are not likely to be met here. Go to a shelter and adopt an animal in need instead of thinking of your own needs.
And you can spay your female at 1 1/2 years of age, no problem. ;)

[WWII]

Speaking of getting dogs fixed. I took my boy Trajan in this morning to get cropped. And we're not talking ears.;) He's 10 months old now. Man, time flies. Anyway, I did get some blood work done on him to make sure his liver, kidneys, all that stuff is working fine. He's getting microchipped, his booster shot, and I opted for the absorbable sutures. Just wondering if anyone has any advice on what I can do to make the healing process go as smoothly as possible. Thank you.

[TruPitLver]

First of all, please don't get my case about not knowing that I wasn't allowed to post my email, because most forums allow that.

Second, there is no need to get all emotional because I mispelled. No one is perfect, people make mistakes. I thought it was "spray", now I know that it is "spay".

Third, I do not want to adopt an adult dog, I want the pup to grow up with my current APBT. Plus I want another pup, not an adult. I don't feel comfortable letting an adult APBT, who's background is unknown or not certain, around my young nieces and nephews. At least raising a pup, I will know it's background, etc. I know and understand and feel bad for the APBTs and mixes that are in pounds, but I just can't bring one of them into my home, never knowing if there is something that might have happened in his past that, if it happened again, would set him off. Don't get me wrong, I am all for adoption, just not in my situation, with this breed.

Please realize that I am not trying to offend anyone, etc. I just don't appreciate people jumping all over my case for stupid things like spelling. And then to be immature enough to make fun of me for it...

~Kila~

[houstonapbt]

First of all, please don't get my case about not knowing that I wasn't allowed to post my email, because most forums allow that.



Second, there is no need to get all emotional because I mispelled. No one is perfect, people make mistakes. I thought it was "spray", now I know that it is "spay".

Third, I do not want to adopt an adult dog, I want the pup to grow up with my current APBT. Plus I want another pup, not an adult. I don't feel comfortable letting an adult APBT, who's background is unknown or not certain, around my young nieces and nephews. At least raising a pup, I will know it's background, etc. I know and understand and feel bad for the APBTs and mixes that are in pounds, but I just can't bring one of them into my home, never knowing if there is something that might have happened in his past that, if it happened again, would set him off. Don't get me wrong, I am all for adoption, just not in my situation, with this breed.

Please realize that I am not trying to offend anyone, etc. I just don't appreciate people jumping all over my case for stupid things like spelling. And then to be immature enough to make fun of me for it...



~Kila~
Dogs of all ages are available. Puppies ARE available at shelters.

[420puffer]

That is correct. There are plenty of puppies at shelters. Even if they label them as PIT MIX, some of them actually look pure

[TruPitLver]

Well, unless they have a puppy that I absolutely love, I will buy from a breeder. But I will go down and at least look. I think that is the right thing to do. But I WILL NOT adopt an adult.

[El Mexicano]

But I WILL NOT adopt an adult....adopting an adult dog would be a better choice in my opinion because u would know how he acts...u kno puppies change....

[lockjaw]

i tried looking in florida kennels..and all i could find are real apbt `s..could not find any blue dogs..coldsteel kennels in florida has some nice dogs..maybe you might change your mind and get a real apbt...;)

[Defend2DaEnd]

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Size: Medium
Age: Adult
Sex: Male
ID:

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[Defend2DaEnd]

Sorry it double posted for some reason. My point is there are plenty of dogs in shelters that need homes. I am SO GLAD to hear that you plan to spay your female. But owuldn't you feel good if you gave a dog like Gotti a chance. I'm not one for big bred blues but if it is rescued then why not. They all deserve a chance at a forever home.
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Dog
Pit Bull Terrier

Size: Medium
Age: Baby
Sex: Male
ID:

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[Defend2DaEnd]

Milo
Dog
Pit Bull Terrier

Size: Medium
Age: Baby
Sex: Male
ID:

Notes: 2-15-06 2-15-06 This beautiful littler of pit bull pups was born Dec. 7th. These pups are soooo much fun to watch. They are in excellent health and have a very social and friendly mother. There are 7 for adoption in the litter IF YOU ARE GOING TO APPLY FOR THESE PIT BULL PUPS YOU MUST OWN YOUR OWN HOME, HAVE A VET REFERENCE, PERSONAL REFERENCE AND BE READY FOR A HOME CHECK. We must be very careful about who gets these pups because of all of the mistreatment of these dogs. They have had 2 of their puppy shots, been wormed and are microchipped. Adoption fee is $175.00 and includes spay/neuter when they are 4 months old. If you meet the requirements and are interested please call
Beth Phillips
704-449-2537.

Email for an application.
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[Defend2DaEnd]

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Pit Bull Terrier

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Sex: Male
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Dog
Pit Bull Terrier

Size: Large
Age: Baby
Sex: Male
ID:

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Pit Bull Terrier

Size: Medium
Age: Baby
Sex: Male
ID: A3490677

Notes: BLUE White.





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[apbtluver]

There is a trainer in FL that I don't think is too far from you that if you adopt a pup from the rescue groups she works with she will offer free obedience training. She has pits herself and works on CGC along with other obedience titles. If interested let me know and I'll give you her email.

[WWII]

First of all, please don't get my case about not knowing that I wasn't allowed to post my email, because most forums allow that.



Second, there is no need to get all emotional because I mispelled. No one is perfect, people make mistakes. I thought it was "spray", now I know that it is "spay".

Third, I do not want to adopt an adult dog, I want the pup to grow up with my current APBT. Plus I want another pup, not an adult. I don't feel comfortable letting an adult APBT, who's background is unknown or not certain, around my young nieces and nephews. At least raising a pup, I will know it's background, etc. I know and understand and feel bad for the APBTs and mixes that are in pounds, but I just can't bring one of them into my home, never knowing if there is something that might have happened in his past that, if it happened again, would set him off. Don't get me wrong, I am all for adoption, just not in my situation, with this breed.

Please realize that I am not trying to offend anyone, etc. I just don't appreciate people jumping all over my case for stupid things like spelling. And then to be immature enough to make fun of me for it...



~Kila~

They only adopt out dogs with stable temperaments. You have just as good of a chance that a pup will "turn on" and go after your adult later on in life. Just cause they are raised together doesn't mean they will like each other. Rule #1: Never trust a pit bull not to fight.

[420puffer]

Good posts - Defend. If you just pay a visit to the vet, it may change your mind completely. I went last week just to see, and its very sad that dogs are there. I will definitely adopt my next dog. Petfinder.org has lots of pits that are available. Im sure tahts where the ads above were found. If BYBs have no one purchasing their pups, then they will stop doing it eventually..

[bahamutt99]

You're unlikely to get a blue pup $450 and under. If you need the fad color, plan on paying out the wazoo for it, unless you get one from rescue.

Frankly, I was looking at blue dogs before I became hopelessly attracted to the rednose dogs. I was looking for a breeder who bred standard-sized (ie, 30-60 pounds), healthy dogs out of titled, health-tested parents that actually looked like Pit Bulls. I couldn't tell you how long I searched before I gave it up as hopeless. There are blue breeders in abundance, but most of them can't tell the difference beween a bulldog and a tree stump. I have only seen one or two blue dogs that looked like good, proportional dogs to me. (There is an AmStaff breeder I like who gets blue dogs occasionally.)

[TruPitLver]

I was looking at Blue Vision Pits in FLA. I found their website on puppysites.com. They have some beautiful dogs. Their prices are reasonable. I just havn't been able to get contact with them to find out more information.

[apbtluver]

Buying from someone who breeds for color is a bad idea. If you are concerned with the costs of the puppy now, than I would imagine you aren't going to want a pup proned to genetic health problems because that would equal more money spent at the vet which is what you get from unexperienced breeders, especially those breeding for color (or $$$$).

[findrodhere]

I was looking at Blue Vision Pits in FLA. I found their website on puppysites.com. They have some beautiful dogs. Their prices are reasonable. I just havn't been able to get contact with them to find out more information.



Look like amstaffs to me, not really APBTs.

[bahamutt99]

Good point about the genetic issues. Are you aware of the health problems inherent to the blue color?

[Defend2DaEnd]

It's like this, if you buy for color you get problems. They are not true APBTs. ANYONE who tries to sell of puppy sites or anytype of classifieds is a tried and true puppy peddler. They are in it for the money. But hey do what you want too. I still think you could rescue

[ABK]

If you really have your heart set on something don't compromise. I've found that if you look around & be patient you will find what you want.

For example, we've had the dogs Baha has been looking for for a long time. We didn't breed for the color, we just had a Colby/Eli male that just happened to throw blues. He was 48lbs CW & had great ADBA conformation. No staff blood. But he'd throw blue puppies in every litter he had.

Since we had him during the height of the blue fad & were turned off by ppl who were asking 2 to 3xs more for blue pups, we decided to stick our finger in their eye by asking $300 - $400 for our blues.

So breeders of the blues that Bahamutt was looking for were out there b/c I was one of them. Heck, I know someone right now who has a litter of dark blues they're selling for $350 ea. AADR registered. Gamebred pedigree.

Don't give up. What you're looking for is out there. You just haven't found it yet! ;)

[lockjaw]

even in brazil they call blue dogs american staff..never called an american pitbull.and even when a third world country knows the truth its a sad thing..in my opinion anything bred for color or show..is a staff..but you can call it how you want.

[TruPitLver]

I think that maybe many of you are gettin g the wrong idea. Yes, I am looking for a blue male solely because of the look. But I'm not going to go buy from some BYB who knows little to nothing about the breed, genetics, etc. Thhat's why I've been trying to get others' help in finding a breeder, b/c I know it's going to be a pain to find a blue pit, close to my area, of sound mind and body, and for a reasonable price....

[jessiepbg]

"I don't feel comfortable letting an adult APBT, who's background is unknown or not certain, around my young nieces and nephews. At least raising a pup, I will know it's background, etc. I know and understand and feel bad for the APBTs and mixes that are in pounds, but I just can't bring one of them into my home, never knowing if there is something that might have happened in his past that, if it happened again, would set him off. Don't get me wrong, I am all for adoption, just not in my situation, with this breed."

That sort of attitude is half the reason why rescue groups are so overloaded with pits. It's often safer to get an adult dog because you know how it is going to act. You can't tell with a puppy. You're saying you want to know its background. I have been bitten by more dogs that are pedigreed, kept in the same home from eight weeks, and spoiled rotten than by bully breeds of unknown origin.(In fact, I've never even been postured at by a pit bull whose background is unknown)

I once knew a guy who had dogs that looked a lot like the Razor's Edge dogs. Ugliest things I'd ever met, and pretty stupid too. He had them boarding at our kennels because he ran out of room in his backyard.(Not kidding) He had two blues that boarded while he was there. They were incredibly out of proportion. He wanted $2,000 each. Speaking of thousands of dollars, I think that's about the cost of the boarding bill he never paid off once he got all of them out of the kennels.

[bronxpits]

if ur are looking for blue pitbulls in ur area i cant help you but if ur lookin for pitbull staffs which is what u are really looking for then yes but those arent apbt there isnt a word for them