Most aggresiv dogbred...?

[realonebulldog]

Many so called animalrightfighter claim that the A P B T is by far the most aggresiv dog...what do you think...if you think yes thats true say why ..and if you think thats not right...try to explain it....:rolleyes:

[JC-Pitbulls]

What type of aggressiveness are you referring to? animal,people etc...

[juiicybubbles]

i dont think the is a most aggressive dog breed... it all pretty much matters how the dog is raised..

[juiicybubbles]

but i do have to say those little ankle bitter dogs... get pretty snappy

[Miss Conduct]

As far as human aggression, i think the Caucasian Mtn Dogs, i havent seen one, but from what i hear they are just monsters. They are massive too.

heres a pic of one

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:RSB-88K5Hu8J:www.courageouscaucasians.com/RudyLion.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.courageouscaucasians.com/RudyLion.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.courageouscaucasians.com/&h=464&w=449&sz=43&tbnid=RSB-88K5Hu8J:&tbnh=125&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcaucasian%2Bmountain%2Bdog%26hl%3Den% 26lr%3D&oi=imagesr&start=1)

[Miss Conduct]

it all pretty much matters how the dog is raised..
Not true. you can socialize, socialize, train, etc. & still have a dog that has want/drive to scrap w/other dogs. Like the saying goes NEVER trust a bulldog not to fight... its in there genes.

[JC-Pitbulls]

Looks like a lion.

As far as human aggression, i think the Caucasian Mtn Dogs, i havent seen one, but from what i hear they are just monsters. They are massive too.

heres a pic of one

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:RSB-88K5Hu8J:www.courageouscaucasians.com/RudyLion.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.courageouscaucasians.com/RudyLion.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.courageouscaucasians.com/&h=464&w=449&sz=43&tbnid=RSB-88K5Hu8J:&tbnh=125&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcaucasian%2Bmountain%2Bdog%26hl%3Den% 26lr%3D&oi=imagesr&start=1)

[SouthernDixie]

As far as human aggression, i think the Caucasian Mtn Dogs, i havent seen one, but from what i hear they are just monsters. They are massive too.

heres a pic of one

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:RSB-88K5Hu8J:www.courageouscaucasians.com/RudyLion.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.courageouscaucasians.com/RudyLion.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.courageouscaucasians.com/&h=464&w=449&sz=43&tbnid=RSB-88K5Hu8J:&tbnh=125&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcaucasian%2Bmountain%2Bdog%26hl%3Den% 26lr%3D&oi=imagesr&start=1)
Not good with other animals, children without proper manners, they are noisy, must be under control at all times, dominant, territorial, uncontrollable at times, need above avg. socialization... wow!

[realonebulldog]

What type of aggressiveness are you referring to? animal,people etc... What you want...tell all about...and remember ,the question is...is the A P B T the M O S T aggresive one of A L L dogbreds...

[rocksteady]

I dont think the APBT is anymore "aggressive" than any other breed out there.. except most people do not understand true aggression and aggressive behavoir. You cannot say any one breed of dog is more aggressive than another simply because aggression is an individual trait. Some breeds may have more of a propensity to be aggressive, but its the individual dogs..not the breeds on a whole

[miakoda]

Realone, if they weren't bred to have dog aggression within them, then there would never be a fight b/n 2 dogs or attacks from APBTs on other dogs b/c they wouldn't care.

I'm still confused as to why you are bound & determined to make this breed out to be something it's not? To truly love something, you must love all that it was, all that it is, & all that it will be. Well, the APBT was, is, & will be a dog aggressive animal. If you cannot grasp that fact, then find a new breed b/c you cannot fully love this one like it needs to be loved.

Yes there are cases in history & in the present where some APBTs, even gamebred ones, will get along with or tolerate the company of another dog. HOWEVER, this is usually only while under constant supervision, the tolerance usually doesn't last too long, & this can change at any second of the day. And these dogs are uncommon. Hell, I've had a couple who get along with other dogs, but the majority would prefer to "play" with their neighboring dog. Not necessarily rare, but just uncommon. Overall, the breed is a very dog aggressive/animal aggressive breed. Individually it varies. Either way we should love them the way they are.

However, there are still a few other "rare" breeds out there that are just as dog aggressive (as a breed) if not moreso than the APBT. Since a discussion on the Bully Cutta was brought up in another thread, then I'll mention it here. This is a breed that has NO tolerance whatsoever of other dogs/animals.

But in the APBT, dog aggression is NOT what we are breeding for. Just a reminder............

[realonebulldog]

I dont think the APBT is anymore "aggressive" than any other breed out there.. except most people do not understand true aggression and aggressive behavoir. You cannot say any one breed of dog is more aggressive than another simply because aggression is an individual trait. Some breeds may have more of a propensity to be aggressive, but its the individual dogs..not the breeds on a whole ITS A INDIVIDUAL thing....not the breeds on a whole.....Y E S 100% RIGHT because you cant fixed it in the breeding.....like drive ability endurance inteligence bite concentrationability skill and and and.....aggresivenes is not importand...it comes natural around...thatswhy you get out of fighting fools cold ones and out of cold ones fighting fools....depends on the I N D I V I D U A L:)...well done rocksteady !

[wisconsindog]

well agression in humans is very bad in the apbt imo and alot of breeders cull this out .but sence we are talking other breeds what about the tosa inu always liked the dogs
they are japan bred fighting-gaurd dogs. ***Edit-please do not link to sites that go against our site rules. This includes dog-fighting. Thank you. 14rock.

[realonebulldog]

But in the APBT, dog aggression is NOT what we are breeding for. Just a reminder............[/QUOTE]Because you cant bred for aggression..............Just a reminder:) Remember this animalloving idiots kill ouer dogs only for one reason ...they try do destroy the whole genetic of this breed....and believe me they had a good start with floyds yard! And they say they must kill all this dogs becose E V E R Y O N E of this dogs is genetical absolut and 100% dog and animalaggresive......you will seriously agree to them....? You know how aggresiv wolves are against other predators?( badger ,foxes,kojotes,and so on)That is an absolut natural thing....nearly every dog will try to hunt and kill a cat...not a big thing.....and you know how many pits go well with each other...isnt that surprising..? IF whe dont understand that aggresion has nothing to do with fighting ability....how should the animalrightidiots do it?

[realonebulldog]

well agression in humans is very bad in the apbt imo and alot of breeders cull this out .but sence we are talking other breeds what about the tosa inu always liked the dogs
they are japan bred fighting-gaurd dogs these guys are some beast here is an old tape i found on yahoo videos under tosa inu there is many just type in tosa in under videos and u will see them http://www.fightingtosa.com/mov/t4.wmv Looks like slomotion all the time...lol...

[B]

APBT are not in general people aggressive although neglect, abuse, and poor training might contribute to this.

APBT in true form are VERY dog aggressive. You can claim that they aren't all you want but I've had 8 week old pups trying to kill each other and they haven't been trained or neglected in the socialization department. Dog aggression is common in many bulldog breeds but it is specifically prominent in APBT because they have been bred for pit fighting for many generations. There are plenty of petbulls that might not show these signs but there are just as many or more that surprise their owner with dog aggression. Gamedogs specifically will almost always display this when they hit a certain age or mindset regardless of training or socialization. The only thing socialization and training will do is help you better be able to handle them when the aggressions shows.

Regards,

B

[rocksteady]

ITS A INDIVIDUAL thing....not the breeds on a whole.....Y E S 100% RIGHT because you cant fixed it in the breeding.....like drive ability endurance inteligence bite concentrationability skill and and and.....aggresivenes is not importand...it comes natural around...thatswhy you get out of fighting fools cold ones and out of cold ones fighting fools....depends on the I N D I V I D U A L:)...well done rocksteady !
what is this? a test of some sort? I may not be 100% right.. thats just my opinion. Im sure many others are also 100% correct in their opinion and thinking,. You cant go around grading people on thier opinions..

[realonebulldog]

Realone, if they weren't bred to have dog aggression within them, then there would never be a fight b/n 2 dogs or attacks from APBTs on other dogs b/c they wouldn't care.



But in the APBT, dog aggression is NOT what we are breeding for. Just a reminder............ :):):) So you think the oldtimers have bred for aggression....and you today not....that means your today breeding is better....and all the great oldtime dogs...who did bred them?

[420puffer]

APBT are definitely not the most aggressive dogs. ROTTS are way more aggressive towards humans and other dogs. WHen my PIT see strangers, he will go and greet the person and flip over for a chest rub. He is not even a good guard dog, but his looks automatically scare ppl. As for dog aggression, he will not back down if he is challenged, but he has not started any confrontations.

[realonebulldog]

what is this? a test of some sort? I may not be 100% right.. thats just my opinion. Im sure many others are also 100% correct in their opinion and thinking,. You cant go around grading people on thier opinions...........L O L .....its ok man....cool down..this is a free land...not china or so...:)

[Pitbull Fauna]

my sisters chichua ( spelled wroong) is way more aggressive than my pit bull, the little thing is only 2 pounds and still a puppy and bullies my 50 pound pit around, but then again fauna thinks its her puppy and lets it bite and chase her, but that thing is way aggressive for a pup

[Mouser]

If you have a pit bull that gets along well with other dogs, good for you, but it's not the normal behaviour of the game bred pitbulls, I have seen. As stated Amstaffs, American bulldogs, Bullterriers, Staffordshire bull terriers, are mild as a whole compared to APBT's, but even with in these breeds some will rival a good pit in aggression, just not ability. If you are seeking a non-aggressive dog, get a beagle, other-wise just take all of the procautions you can to be a responsible owner of a great breed of dog.

[miakoda]

:):):) So you think the oldtimers have bred for aggression....and you today not....that means your today breeding is better....and all the great oldtime dogs...who did bred them?What the hell are you trying to do here? These dogs were bred, are bred, & should be bred for one thing: gameness. Gameness is NOT dog aggression, it's NOT the ability to concentrate, it's something completely above all that. Dog aggression is a result of what they were bred to do....not something they were bred strictly for. Just b/c a dog back then was dog aggressive didn't mean it would win.

I'm unsure as to what the heck your purpose is.................

[440rider]

When dealing with the APBT I'm not sure I'd even term it as aggression i dont like the two being paired together "aggressive apbt" but the fact is that in this breed specific dogs can be very dog aggressive NOT PEOPLE AGGRESSIVE BY ANY MEANS. First and foremost all dogs are judged on an individual basis and aggression runs in dogs small to large and in all breeds. There are also many types of aggression. I dont belieive aggression is bred into dogs it dates back to the predomestic wolf days it's not something where you take 2 dogs that show aggression and stick them together to develop an all around aggressive animal. The APBT is bred for gameness and Drive...this has been developed thought many years of selective breeding and focus on a specific sport in mind...so the dogs of today that turn on and drive for other animals is more of a developed prey drive for a specific task . Depending on the individual animal they may posses it or not....by drive i mean prey driven not chase driven as in the following....

A prey driven dog will chase with a great deal of focus on the object it is pursuing and a definite goal of attaining access to its target. A chase driven dog will also chase but usually not with the same intensity or absolute drive to reach its target as the end goal. Many of you have done chase games with both types of dogs. The prey driven dog will drive as hard as it can until it reaches you and when it does you or your toy usually gets hit like a ton of bricks. The chase driven dog can be somewhat frustrating as it will chase you, but not with the drive or intense targeting behavior of the prey driven dog. This dog will often pursue the handler in chase games, but will run on by and not follow through to actually catch the handler. The chase driven dog usually does not exhibit the sudden increased burst of speed that a prey driven dog will when the handler increases their speed.

[realonebulldog]

APBT are definitely not the most aggressive dogs. ROTTS are way more aggressive towards humans and other dogs. WHen my PIT see strangers, he will go and greet the person and flip over for a chest rub. He is not even a good guard dog, but his looks automatically scare ppl. As for dog aggression, he will not back down if he is challenged, but he has not started any confrontations. fightingability needs no aggresion.......my dog spike(34kg) is aggresive...one time he attackt an elephant at a circus near my house..lol... i had one hell of luck and ged him before he could start his armagedon...and my other dog jimbo is friendly to everyone...include every dog...and one time when i was not at home my wife forgot to separate them...they get at each other and you know what happened? The little friendly dog jimbo (24kg!!!) a rednose nearly killed my rough, tough and aggresive spike! And he is realy friendly, but i think spike jumped for reasons i dont know at him and he had to fight..and he did! Right now they go well with each other...but i separate them every time i go out..:)

[miakoda]

fightingability needs no aggresion.......my dog spike(34kg) is aggresive...one time he attackt an elephant at a circus near my house..lol... i had one hell of luck and ged him before he could start his armagedon...and my other dog jimbo is friendly to everyone...include every dog...and one time when i was not at home my wife forgot to separate them...they get at each other and you know what happened? The little friendly dog jimbo (24kg!!!) a rednose nearly killed my rough, tough and aggresive spike! And he is realy friendly, but i think spike jumped for reasons i dont know at him and he had to fight..and he did! Right now they go well with each other...but i separate them every time i go out..:)
Are you having fun yet?

[420puffer]

fightingability needs no aggresion.......my dog spike(34kg) is aggresive...one time he attackt an elephant at a circus near my house..lol... i had one hell of luck and ged him before he could start his armagedon...and my other dog jimbo is friendly to everyone...include every dog...and one time when i was not at home my wife forgot to separate them...they get at each other and you know what happened? The little friendly dog jimbo (24kg!!!) a rednose nearly killed my rough, tough and aggresive spike! And he is realy friendly, but i think spike jumped for reasons i dont know at him and he had to fight..and he did! Right now they go well with each other...but i separate them every time i go out..:)
WTH? Did I say anything at all about fighting ability? You're off your own topic here

[Mouser]

I will say some pits are very tolerent of submissive dogs, if they feel the dog isn't a threat to them, they will often leave them be, and that goes for pups even chewing on them. Sometimes you can keep opposite sex dogs together, but try that will a pair of males or females that haven't been watered down with foreign blood, and you will have a accident waiting to happen, and your wait probably wouldn't be long. IF your pitbull shows any signs of aggression towards a human, it ain't worth it's salt. I'll give an example. My friend was lying on the couch watching the TV. with his son, he must have dozed off, anyway he hears his male game-bred pit making a noise, and opens his eyes to his son with his little finger stuck in the dogs eye, if that had been any other kind of dog, the kid would have been bite. Before any one jumps on that, I also think my friend should have been watching his kid closer, but accidents do happen. Morale of the story, APBT's can make one of the worlds best pets, if in the hands of a compentent owner, and one that loves their merits, and accepts their vices.

[Mouser]

Quote from 440 Rider" The prey driven dog will drive as hard as it can until it reaches you and when it does you or your toy usually gets hit like a ton of bricks. The chase driven dog can be somewhat frustrating as it will chase you, but not with the drive or intense targeting behavior of the prey driven dog. This dog will often pursue the handler in chase games, but will run on by and not follow through to actually catch the handler. The chase driven dog usually does not exhibit the sudden increased burst of speed that a prey driven dog will when the handler increases their speed." Are you talking about teaching a APBT to be an attack dog?????

[JC-Pitbulls]

There are too many dog breeds and dogs of the same breed tend to differ, so I dont think that the question can actually have a definite answer.

[realonebulldog]

Are you having fun yet? You have to explain what exactly you mean miakoda...why should i E X A C T L Y yet have fun....im confused...

[luv_a_bull_girl]

nah i saw a show on the discovery channel and theres this breed called the caucus or caucasian mountain dog and its huge and fury... its like over 100lbs and they encourage aggression of every type in that breed, human and animal... basically if u own one, it will like its immediate close knit kin and THAT'S IT

[luv_a_bull_girl]

As far as human aggression, i think the Caucasian Mtn Dogs, i havent seen one, but from what i hear they are just monsters. They are massive too.

heres a pic of one

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:RSB-88K5Hu8J:www.courageouscaucasians.com/RudyLion.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.courageouscaucasians.com/RudyLion.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.courageouscaucasians.com/&h=464&w=449&sz=43&tbnid=RSB-88K5Hu8J:&tbnh=125&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcaucasian%2Bmountain%2Bdog%26hl%3Den% 26lr%3D&oi=imagesr&start=1)
damn u beat me 2 my answer... lol

[wisconsindog]

well most dogs fight is silince exspecially the good ones showing nothing just strait foward dogs on a mission so call it what u will but im am sick of humaniacs that dont know are breed or how the breed acts sh......t

[440rider]

Are you talking about teaching a APBT to be an attack dog?????

i was pointing out the difference between prey and chase driven without an animal as the central point...i dont beleive APBT sould be in any form an attack dog or human aggressive.

[wisconsindog]

i dont think they should be used as guard dogs unless resposibly trained for police dogs maybe if they had them like sheoperds they would be accepted infact i know they woyuld just like dobermansi was pointing out the difference between prey and chase driven without an animal as the central point...i dont beleive APBT sould be in any form an attack dog or human aggressive.

[realonebulldog]

WTH? Did I say anything at all about fighting ability? You're off your own topic hereDid i say fightingability? O yes right...sooo sorry...can you forgive me...?:)

[catcher T]

Did i say fightingability? O yes right...sooo sorry...can you forgive me...?:)
alright,,realonebulldog,,in a minute I am going to have to call u a nitwit

[catcher T]

minutes up.

[sajoseph]

Since the topic is "most aggressive dog breed" I will reply with a Pekenese. No doubt-an old chinese fighting dog. They used to smack the noses to flatten and break the legs to bow, they are meaner then sin, and if they were better, they'd be outlawed!

LOL! But sooo true.

**Edit-"challenging" other dog breeds or looking for a fight is HIGHLY illegal, do not do it on this board or anywhere else if you enjoy your freedom! -14rock.

[realonebulldog]

alright,,realonebulldog,,in a minute I am going to have to call u a nitwit Sorry, but whats a nitwit...lol..is it good...or...what?

[sajoseph]

LOFMAO!

Sorry, you are from another country aren't you?? "Nitwit",hmmm, just thank him.......

[realonebulldog]

LOFMAO!

Sorry, you are from another country aren't you?? "Nitwit",hmmm, just thank him....... Thank you catcher...no one before called me nitwit...im so proud...:)

[Jenn]

Since the topic is "most aggressive dog breed" I will reply with a Pekenese. No doubt-an old chinese fighting dog. They used to smack the noses to flatten and break the legs to bow, they are meaner then sin, and if they were better, they'd be outlawed!
I believe it's Pekingese :cool:

[rocksteady]

lmao no they werent. where do you people come up with this stuff? They were body guards for royalty.. first they were just little pets..often able to fit in sleeves . They were bred to resemble the lion (from buddha teachings) They were basically fashion accessories and guard dogs.. nothing more, nothing less
http://poodlesandpoms.freeservers.com/custom4.html

[14rock]

Realonebulldog....stop with these childish posts. You have been warned and given the chance to straighten up-do it or lose posting priveleges.

As for the rest of this thread-its entirely pointless to argue this and gives off a bad reputation for our breed of dog. The bottom line is the APBT and other fighting breeds are inherently dog-aggressive. Other breeds may have individuals just as aggressive, but its not common. You make it sound like aggression is a good thing, maybe you need to get your ego checked. Dog-aggression and human-aggression are two totally diffrent things. Dog-aggression is to be accepted and dealt with in this breed, human-aggression is extremely rare and deserving of a dirt nap! Thread closed.