I thought Kasper was a gonner!

[sajoseph]

Last night, I took Dix for a walk. A few houses away, these people own this dog named Kasper. A miniature Pinscher(little dobie looking thing) This dog is sooooo mean, he attacks his owner when they come to get him from our yard!

Well, Dixie HATES other animals she encounters out in the community. So this Kasper runs wide open out his front door and takes this flying leap....RIGHT into Dixies mouth! She looked like a Boa eating a rat! before I knew what was happening, the guy is just standing across the street, watching. I gave Dixie a big jerk and yelled at her, she sorta "spit him out!" Kasper backed up, she looked at him. They were both astonished! I think both of their big egos were bruised. Dix snapped a few more times in the air, but clearly wanted to leave and be on her way. He tried to sniff, w/ no success.
I told the owner she would kill Kasper because she didn't like strange animals, until he finally grabbed him and took him in.
People are idiots, leaving their doors open because it is nice out. At least they can get a baby gate or something.

I am amazed, she could have easily bitten his head off, but didn't.....I wonder why? I always thought she would, but she didn't!!! Why? Did she not want to kill or hurt it? Or was she all talk and show???For as long as we have had her, she has been like this and a ton of money was sunk into training that we didn't think worked.

Wierd

[Rockstar]

I'd say you got extremely lucky;).

[rocksteady]

just because a dog is "fight crazy" or "doesnt like other dogs" doesnt mean they will kill them. Alot of times the behavoir you see is nothing more than bluff tatics..remember that dogs communicate through posture, voice, smell..

Mini Pins are fiesty by nature, they call them "king of the toys". I use to live down the road from one that had no problems going after the apbts lol..

[ShelterDog]

That situation happens to me almost daily (except for the dog jumping in the mouth part). Almost every house in my development has 1 or two dogs living in it. Some teenagers think it's funny to let their small barking dogs out to make a run at us. Usually if you stay relaxed, they'll stay relaxed. Just try to refocus to something positive (treats). Some Bully Breeds don't see small dogs as a threat, so they'll just sort of ignore them.

Never tell someone that your dog is going to kill theirs. If we want a more positive image for our dogs, we shouldn't be threatening anyone.

[realonebulldog]

Last night, I took Dix for a walk. A few houses away, these people own this dog named Kasper. A miniature Pinscher(little dobie looking thing) This dog is sooooo mean, he attacks his owner when they come to get him from our yard!

Well, Dixie HATES other animals she encounters out in the community. So this Kasper runs wide open out his front door and takes this flying leap....RIGHT into Dixies mouth! She looked like a Boa eating a rat! before I knew what was happening, the guy is just standing across the street, watching. I gave Dixie a big jerk and yelled at her, she sorta "spit him out!" Kasper backed up, she looked at him. They were both astonished! I think both of their big egos were bruised. Dix snapped a few more times in the air, but clearly wanted to leave and be on her way. He tried to sniff, w/ no success.
I told the owner she would kill Kasper because she didn't like strange animals, until he finally grabbed him and took him in.
People are idiots, leaving their doors open because it is nice out. At least they can get a baby gate or something.

I am amazed, she could have easily bitten his head off, but didn't.....I wonder why? I always thought she would, but she didn't!!! Why? Did she not want to kill or hurt it? Or was she all talk and show???For as long as we have had her, she has been like this and a ton of money was sunk into training that we didn't think worked.

Wierd I say nothing...only smiling...but you had realy luck..bitches are mostly very cruel..even to strange pupys! 3 years ago my spike jumped at a mini poodle....spike is a fight fool dog he shaced dogs twices his size...and he started with that when he was only ten month...as he jumped at that little dog i nearly god a heartattack...realy! But you know what happened? He dont even hurt that dog! He stand below him and growled...until i pushed him away....this dogs are sometimes a question for me.

[Rocky H. Balboa]

You got really lucky!

I live in suburbia and have become very experienced in these types of situations (more times than would like to mention). I guess owners of small dogs only think that their dogs cannot harm anything due to their size but do not take into account other dogs.

Here is what I do (and suggest) if "crossing paths" with an unattended/loose dog:

1. Hold your dog by the collar.

2. Assess the other dog's size (Toy, Small, Large, etc).

3. If the other dog is not coming forward (is standing still) and you are on other side of street (or at a distance from it), move away and parallel to the other dog while speaking firmly and loud (to other dog) NO, STAY, STOP, GO HOME (These are possible words and intonations it may recognize). Merely walking opposite to the other dog may increase the possibilities of the other dog gaining "confidence" and charging at your dog.



4. If the dog charges either:While holding your dog's collar, step in front or a step ahead of your dog (as the Alpha), and 'gently' kick the dog (with the top of your shoe sorta like scooping it) between the front legs in order to move it back. This will possibly 'scare' the dog enough for it to run away or stand his ground w/out charging. I believe it may feel two against one are odds it rather not test (canine mentality).


pick your dog's front legs (remember you are holding his collar not a leash at this point). This will prevent from dog from "catching it in its mouth" but will leave his underside unprotected. Thus, you should choose this option if you recognize the charging dog's demeanor as playful (as was my case once. I read the other dog as being so happy to see another dog that he 'charged' to meet him; If I did not lift my dog's front legs, the other dog would have been a goner for sure!). This option is best used with really small dogs that may sustain injury by the first option.

If the charging dog is almost your dog's size, do not do any of the above as this may cause your dog substantial injury. Attempt to scare it by swinging, screaming halt commands, etc while on "top" of your dog. The charging dog may be confused and view handler/dog as one entity.

Once, I chose to attempt to prevent an incident with an ABD that I thought was a female. I gave my dog the command "Nice, be Nice Rocky" which will keep my dog still and not charge. The other dog did not charge (this may have helped my command), instead, he walked towards my dog and stood in front with heads side to side about a second or two (I guess until they smelled each others "maleness") the rest is not pertinent to this thread;)

[14rock]

If I see someones house pet while out walking I pick up my dog in my arms and walk until its safe. If a stray dog wants my dog that bad to jump up and bite him then I have no choice but to drop my dog so I can protect myself. However, you always want to take the "defensive" position when dealing with other dogs. If another person sees you picking your dog up, walking away, and the other dog jumping and nipping....your no longer at fault. If however the dog is charging and you sit there and your dog just eats the damn things....its another "vicious pitbull kills family pet".

[rocksteady]

actually best thing to do is simply KEEP WALKING.

most "toy dogs" are only using bluff scare tactics..or it is a possessive issue. They are not truely out to beat up another dog.. they are simply making up for their lack of size. If you stand there you are only egging the situation on and giving your dog a chance to get fired up. KEEP WALKING. If you se a loose dog coming, turn around and go the other way. Avoid the situation..dont stand and wait to see what happends

[Rocky H. Balboa]

I am sorry to disagree with you....Man, I got take you out to eat or something!

The dog at fault will always be the one off the leash. When I was a little greener, I use to pick my dog up but learned this only increases the charging dog's confidence and does little to change people's perspective on the breed. I state (to the public), it is better that it releases its aggression on my dog than a little kid (yes, we know human and animal aggressions are not the same but general public does not). They always agree with that!

If I see someones house pet while out walking I pick up my dog in my arms and walk until its safe. If a stray dog wants my dog that bad to jump up and bite him then I have no choice but to drop my dog so I can protect myself. However, you always want to take the "defensive" position when dealing with other dogs. If another person sees you picking your dog up, walking away, and the other dog jumping and nipping....your no longer at fault. If however the dog is charging and you sit there and your dog just eats the damn things....its another "vicious pitbull kills family pet".

[ABK]

IMO picking your dog up or getting between two dogs facing off is a good way to get bitten.

sajoseph: Dixie might just be what is sometimes called a "rough cur." That is a dog that acts like it's a world beater, but when push comes to shove it either doesn't fight or it makes a flurry of intense activity then quits. Or she just could have been shocked stiff that the Min Pin launched itself into her mouth!

Either way, consider yourself extremely lucky. You could have been a headline. If you know Dixie is aggressive & even suspect she would harm another dog, you have no business walking her in broad daylight amongst the general public. A dog like this IMO should be walked in the morning or at dusk when most ppl & their ankle biters are indoors. Yeah, it's a hassle & yeah, it's not fair, but that's part of life w/ bulldogs & it can save you, your bulldog & the breed as a whole a lot of problems.

But if you do meet an aggressive dog I've found a shake can to be very useful. This is simply a pop can filled w/ pebbles & taped shut. If you shake it it makes a loud sound dogs don't like. The shake can coupled w/ a "I'm not going to take any B.S." body posture usually will send the cur running. Resist the temptation to throw the can at the dog though. You never know when the owner of the cur is watching & if you throw the can in the dog's direction you undoubtedly will have a yapping human on your hands as well as a yapping dog! ;)

[realonebulldog]

actually best thing to do is simply KEEP WALKING.

most "toy dogs" are only using bluff scare tactics..or it is a possessive issue. They are not truely out to beat up another dog.. they are simply making up for their lack of size. If you stand there you are only egging the situation on and giving your dog a chance to get fired up. KEEP WALKING. If you se a loose dog coming, turn around and go the other way. Avoid the situation..dont stand and wait to see what happends Go other way...lol...yes i know souch situations..:)

[14rock]

I am sorry to disagree with you....Man, I got take you out to eat or something!

The dog at fault will always be the one off the leash.
Legally, yes. However in the eyes of the general public its just another case of someone walking a killer "pit" and attacking the family Lab...no matter who started it.

When I was a little greener, I use to pick my dog up but learned this only increases the charging dog's confidence and does little to change people's perspective on the breed.

So be it then. Every time (excluding once) I've done this the other dog thought it had "won" with its threat displays and strutted away. Now the one time I did this and the other dog jumped up anyways, I dropped my dog and the mutt cur snapped a bit and tucked tail running home. I then walked the opposite direction and that was it. I've been bitten before and I'll be bitten again...if I need to take a bite to show the general public that I'm being responsible with my dog, I'll gladly do it. Truth is bites bleed, scar up, and all but disappear in a month.....people seeing you as a responsible owner is something that sticks forever (or until you do something stupid to prove them wrong!).
I state (to the public), it is better that it releases its aggression on my dog than a little kid (yes, we know human and animal aggressions are not the same but general public does not). They always agree with that!
I could never say something of the sort, and always explain to them the truth when asked "love people, hate other dogs.....its the way the breed was bred". Simple as that and it doesnt perpetuate the "baby-eating" myth...lol

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[sajoseph]

In her training, we were taught to keep walking. Try to distract her, and keep walking, when the danger has passed, commend her. Yeah, tried that, she is just so large, I literally drag her away, I walk between her and the object, talking to her and constantly moving. I guess we have never had a nother dog actually approach her, they always stay far away, this was a first time one actually ran and lunged at her, so i was surprised as well. We all were kinda in shock.

I usually walk her at dusk. It was dusk. This dog is always loose and you always see the owner getting bit picking him up in someones yard. Its kinda comedy!

Anyway, I'll keep on,and try to be more carful. I cannot pick her up anymore, and yes, last time I did that, the other dog started jumping and nipping, and Dixie smacked her head in my jaw, and kicked me in the neck!!!

Thanks, guys, Stef

[Rockstar]

Speak softly and carry a can of mace;)

[boa1277]

Maybe Dixie diddnt like the taste of overgrown rats so she decided to spit her back on the plate. Just because she diddnt try to really go after the other dog does not mean she isnt game, she really wasnt threatened or challenged. Everyone knows how good our dogs are at determining a threat or reading a situation, most of the time they figure it out... I am glad that she diddnt kill the other dog, it just means to me that she is not a rat killer. LOL

[sajoseph]

Maybe Dixie diddnt like the taste of overgrown rats so she decided to spit her back on the plate. Just because she diddnt try to really go after the other dog does not mean she isnt game, she really wasnt threatened or challenged. Everyone knows how good our dogs are at determining a threat or reading a situation, most of the time they figure it out... I am glad that she diddnt kill the other dog, it just means to me that she is not a rat killer. LOL

LOL!!That's funny!

[missybee16]

My Precious did this once. I just told the guy, she just loves your dog. Look at her playing with it. I really meant, oops! That dog walks up to my gate now, looks & runs.

[El Mexicano]

if it is such aprob to walk in ur OWN block call the pound on that dang runt.becuase u own an apbt doesnt mean u shouldnt be able to walk it down the street,i kno there are several risks involved,just call the pound on every mutt u see runnin around loose

[ABK]

if it is such aprob to walk in ur OWN block call the pound on that dang runt.becuase u own an apbt doesnt mean u shouldnt be able to walk it down the street,i kno there are several risks involved,just call the pound on every mutt u see runnin around loose
Nice try, but that won't work Mexicano. AC has to see it loose before they'll do anything. So basically that dog can harass you ever time you walk down the street, but if it's back in it's owner's house or yard when AC comes (which will take at least 30 min) they won't do anything except maybe warn the owner - if you're lucky.

The responsibility is on us as bulldog owners. Like I said before, yeah, it's a hassle & yeah, it aint' fair, but that's life w/ bulldogs. If you can't deal w/ it, sell your bulldog & get a cat! http://thorstenkaye.com/kitty.gif

[luvmypuppy]

my neighbor hood has so many loose pits i fear to walk my girl in the summer. but i found a good deterent to the loose dogs is when i flip out my retractible metal baton the sound seems to scare them and i can crack them one to of they get mouthy. my dog is always on a leash(even if shes walkin me!!) the owners of the loose dogs dont say too much either.

[NOVICE]

I cannot pick her up anymore, and yes, last time I did that, the other dog started jumping and nipping, and Dixie smacked her head in my jaw, and kicked me in the neck!!!
Ouch, LOL.

[TEXAS PIT DOGS]

You Have A Good Game Bred Dog There It Uses Good Judgement To Her It Was Seen As Like A Puppy And A Good Game Dog As A Rule Will Never Ever Attack A Puppy Or A Small Dog That It Thinks Is A Puppy No Matter How Mouthy It Is. My Dogs Do This All The Time They Will Inhale A Dog That Charges Them But They Wont Touch A Small Dog Even If They Are Gettin Bit My One Male Dog Was Gettin Bit By A Chiuaua On The Leg And He Didint Do Anything To It He Just Shook It Off His Leg And Held It Down With His Paw Till I Picked It Up And Took It Back To The Owner.

[PA_Pit]

The dog at fault will always be the one off the leash
Wrong the APBT will always be at fault!

[mikelia]

Wrong the APBT will always be at fault!
Yep, there is a dog in custody right now who was NOT at fault. She was wearing her muzzle and was attacked by a GSD who beat her up bad. And by virtue of the fact she is an apbt, she is in custody at an awful pound, her owners are not allowed to see her, and she is not retreiving medical treatment for her wounds.
The pit bull is always in the wrong in the publics view.