New Florida Dogman. Need a little help.

[StillGame]

Hi I've been thinking about it for a long time and i want to get a few game bred dogs within the next year.
Since i'm in central FL i was wondering whats doin well for everyone here.
I'm not too sure what bloodline i'm looking to get, because there isnt anyone around where i live that raise game dogs so i cant really see whats good and what should be left alone.
I have a pair of pits, they were given to me and i dont plan on breeding them but once.
I have lots of room for a few more and was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction with an honest person that has some nice pits. I dont want to cross my yardbreds with some game dogs but i would like to get a proven family or two that cross well that i can start a small yard with. I know of the bloodlines and i do a lot of research but looking through online pages arent going to help with hands on conditioning and what not. what are some nice kennels or yards that i can visit to see what i'm going to be purchasing from. Thanks SG

[thedude04]

well your on the money looking threw online pages wont get u hands on experience with the breed i suggest u do some more reasch and get some hands on experience. haveing two pitbulls given to u is not hands on experience and doesnt mean u should just jump in to breeding. if u look in pound's or even on line theres 100 and 100 of pits that need homes. people are over breeding them enough as it is what i suggest is emailing some people and talking to them about what u do and dont and do as must reach as u can before u consider trying to open a yard

[rpk]

The sorrels dogs are real popular in florida especially nw florida. It is proven stock. Go get you some of them!

[Rocky H. Balboa]

Great, RPK, you did not read his post (read between the lines!)....he is not ready for a game-bred dog. He admits to having mutts and that they will be bred, once. Have you already homes for these future pups? Will you keep them for the rest of their lives (13 years)? Have you budgeted feed, medical, accomodations and other expenses into your dream? Did you consider the amount of time YOU will have to spend dealing with them (i.e. exercise, socialization, obedience, commands, etc.) Also, please do not call our dogs "pits"! Also, you already have two dogs, luckily it sounds like they are not dog-aggressive. Practice conditioning them (exercise) and leave game-breds to those more experienced. What do you think? they are going to be friendly with your other dogs? If you want experience, volunteer at your local shelter. You will find many "game-bred" dogs there that were ultimately undesirable due to their dog-aggressive nature and "unlimited" energy. If you really wanted to have a game-bred dog, you would have to get rid of all your other dogs so as to focus on ONE game-bred. I do not think you want this, I believe you want your on yard..........sounds like the making of a BYB to me! Do not do it. Please.

The sorrels dogs are real popular in florida especially nw florida. It is proven stock. Go get you some of them!

[SEAL]

what you have to consider is this. Why do you want to breed? as many people have pointed out there are many great dogs out there. Owning mulitple APBTs can be very time consuming and hectic. Why even breed the two you have now? there are a lot of questions you must ask yourself before you inadvertantly contribute to a problem. the biggest question is What are you going to bring to this breed that someone else hasnt done allready? (thats the reason ill never breed). There are far more knowledgeable people out there that will do greater things than i will with these dogs so why should i create more pound fillers and house pets when there are too many allready. Consider some of these things and look into what it takes to succesfuly and responsibly breed any animal. The Cost alone can be very daunting.

[sy82nj]

mt.man here in nc alway has pups on the ground from proven stock. however it all depends on the bloodline you want to start your yard off . pm me if you want some good yards to check out

[B]

Spay and nueter your "unknown" pitbulls. If you are really interesting in starting a yard then you need to start with "known" dogs with an honest pedigree from an honest dogman. You should raise and keep the two you have now for experience in owning the breed and after a few years maybe you will be ready to try a gamebred dog. Gamebred animals are a whole different breed from the petbulls people own. Do the responsible thing and DON'T BREED especially since you obviously don't know much about the breed and its problems.

Regards,

B

[DRACDOG]

get ahold of me i will lend you some knowledge first hand on what is good here in fla and listen to some of these people on this site they will help you also. For the one's that are rude to you they are about worthless as the cur that they breed.

[SEAL]

drac i dont think any one was rude to him really well myb one response was a little over the edge but for the most part no one said anything that someone who is looking into starting a yard shouldnt hear and consider.

[DRACDOG]

SEAL it was not directed to anyone in general it was for those who will bash him in the futre of this post.What he has been told thus far is pretty accurate.pls dont take this personal ppl,thnx DRAC

[Hillbilly Pit]

some of these men have been around game dogs for most of there life, i am new at this breed as full time owner to. i'm not trying to be rude but don't call yourself a dogman just yet. see my dog came from good stock i was told but i have no papers to show proof,because of erresponsabul byb not keeping up with paperwork.take these DOGMENs advice and don't jump in just yet.

[tommy3]

If you are getting "bashed" or you think someone is being "rude" as Dracdog said, it is because you are doing something wrong and people are pointing it out. The people that don't want to accept that they are doing wrong, are the ones that see it as "bashing".
If you do what you are supposed to in the first place or take criticism and apply it to yourself and what you do, you will learn alot.
There is rarely any blatant bashing or rudeness on this board. However, there are alot of people here that will tell you the straightforward truth.

[Hillbilly Pit]

If you are getting "bashed" on this forum, it is because you are doing something wrong and people are pointing it out. The people that don't want to accept that they are doing wrong, are the ones that see it as "bashing".
If you do what you are supposed to in the first place or take criticism and apply it to yourself and what you do, you will learn alot.
There is rarely any blatant bashing on this board. However, there are alot of people here that will tell you the straightforward truth.
that was a good point tommy3!

[bahamutt99]

If your current dogs are registered, you should get out to some local shows and other dog events, and use that as an opportunity to meet people. Don't breed them unless you have proven to some degree that they are worth breeding and you've already lined up several qualified homes. Give yourself time to ease into the breed; don't just jump in with both feet. The right dogs will be there when/if you are ready to take that step. If you rush in, you could end up getting in over your head, or having to skimp on some things because you have too many dogs, etc.

[bulldogman12345]

What I find mind boggling is that people like "DRACDOG" , "sy82nj" , and "rpk" are willing to throw out names and give "some knowledge first hand" to someone they don't know. When "ROCKY'S HUMAN" said: Great, RPK, you did not read his post (read between the lines!)....he is not ready for a game-bred dog.
I would agree, not only read between the lines that he may not be ready for game-bred dogs, but also read between the lines that he may be looking for "info" for the "wrong" reasons. Just because you don't answer someone's question on a board doesn't mean you are being rude. With things happening these days with our animals its better to be safe than sorry. I would suggest to this person that he attend some confirmation dog shows in Florida and surrounding states and get to know people in person and establish a good relationship with people and start from there.

[The Watcher]

well said....
What I find mind boggling is that people like "DRACDOG" , "sy82nj" , and "rpk" are willing to throw out names and give "some knowledge first hand" to someone they don't know. When "ROCKY'S HUMAN" said: Great, RPK, you did not read his post (read between the lines!)....he is not ready for a game-bred dog.
I would agree, not only read between the lines that he may not be ready for game-bred dogs, but also read between the lines that he may be looking for "info" for the "wrong" reasons. Just because you don't answer someone's question on a board doesn't mean you are being rude. With things happening these days with our animals its better to be safe than sorry. I would suggest to this person that he attend some confirmation dog shows in Florida and surrounding states and get to know people in person and establish a good relationship with people and start from there.

[thedude04]

i wanst trying to be rude i just feel that u need a lot more time u cant just wake up a say i want to be a pitbull breeder thers alot to it more then u could possiable "now" so like few of the people on the board said go to some show, weight pull (what ever u want to same day breed, in far future i hope) so u can get some great connacts and really get a good in sight on what it really takes to bring up a good family of dogs.and maybe some one well be nice enough tp show u there yard and let u see how is done mybe try co owning a dog to start but look it to so u know what your really getting into

[StillGame]

Wow...... I should of thought more on my questions before posting.
I understand the difference between game bred and pet pitts, i've been around both.
The only reason for breeding my dogs is because i have more than a handfull of friends that love each of my dogs, they are gentle and playfull ect. ect. They were only going to be bred once, to give to my friends then fixed, but after going to the pound and seeing all the bulldogs that are being put down, i now will have my dogs fixed. i know i'll give my two a loving home for the rest of there lives.

But i'm still going to look into a game bred dog. I dont want to just get two dogs breed them and say i'm a breeder, i guess i left that out. I want to get one at a time, slowly so i can learn from them as they grow,****

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When i find two that i like that i have tested that have the conformation or close to the breed, i'll breed them, and most likely keep the offspring to test also, just like the parents were. Everyone was where i am now and hopefully one day i'll be where you all are now with the breed. I'm not going to be a byb, i want to better the breed through good selective breeding of whatever line i choose,, although the sorrell line is most likely what i'll be getting for my first dog. I didnt say i was an expirenced dogman, probably the wrong word to use, not one at all, but with the help of all of you i can be, it's the love for the breed that we all have. Thanks SG


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[WWII]

You are looking too far into the future. Don't even think about breeding right now. If you want a game-bred dog, you have to be prepared. I have one pet-bull and one game-bred pup. I can tell you right now, this little 16 week old pup is pure fire. I'm lucky that I have the time for him, because all I constantly do right now is play with him and watch him. He never tires. All he does is run this way, run that way, jump here, jump there, hitch a ride on my older pups face. It just never ends till I put them in their crates at night. Even then, I can hear the little one throwing toys around in his cage, thumping his tail. Make sure you have room for them all. Learn everything about their lineage. What are they known for? What are the pros and cons of the line? I too, one day want a yard. I don't know if that will change later on, but if it doesn't you can bet that I'll be 100% ready for it. Take your time. What will you do if you do happen to have a big litter of 12 pups? Say you keep 8 of them, and the other 4 go to good homes. What if those 4 homes have to get rid of them? Now you are gonna have 14+ dogs to feed, considering the fact you'll be a good dogman and accept those pups back into your yard, like you should. That pretty much means 14 chain set-ups, enough food for all of them, and you're gonna have to socialize them all, work them all, train them all, and clean up after them all the time. Just think of all the money you'll be spending on them alone. Plus vet checks on 14 dogs can get pretty expensive. You just can't think of having your own kennel without knowing what you will do in the worst situations. "The worst thing that can happen, will happen." I honestly don't think that you are ready for a kennel and if you jump into too fast, you will have problems.

[StillGame]

ww2,
I understand you, i wasnt aiming toward just getting a bunch of dogs at once, then having the problems that some have, the only way i'll get a new dog is when i have the money to feed the extra mouth, and i have a lot of room, i have 5 acres and i have my "petbulls" on 20 foot chains, i'm still having them fixed and will not breed them.
But at this point I'm just doing as much reseach on the lineage and what not of,, well whatever you post up here, you all have nice animals.
I've been looking into the sorrells bloodline and reading as much as possible on them and hopefully i can visit the sorrells ranch,, research more, and maybe a few new friends here on the forums can help me out with the ins and outs of these dogs.
I dont want to get a pup right now, but maybe this summer I may purchase one from B. Sorrells, they do have nice animals, and well proven too by the looks of it.
After this pup i wont get any for a while,meaning years possibly, i was thinking about a female though, and when she is grown she'll be conditioned and *hog-hunted* to see if she is game,which i sure she will be also I'm thinking of getting into showing, with the little female, mine that i have now arent reg, so i cant show them.
Can someone pm me the next show that will be in FL, i want to go see the bulldogs, and meet some people.
Thanks SG