Sorrel's Blood

[Brothermarree]

Any Sorrel's blood in or around the IL area?
Much appriciated.

[Brothermarree]

No one????????????

[GAPITS]

What do you need to know, are you planning on mixing it in with the blue? If you are, what are you hoping to gain?

[Brothermarree]

Whoa- back up- my dogs aren't catagorized by Color- lines do count for something- nd that's it.
I will be trying to add more Sorrel's into our program.
Weight pull, weight pull, weight pull.

[14rock]

Are these pups going to end up on hoobly.com classifieds too?

[Brothermarree]

If not gonna get co-owned.
This breeding will produce some pullers.

[GAPITS]

I was just asking what you are trying to ad it to? what are you planning on taking it to?

[GAPITS]

Also, there is no need for crossing them with anything if you are wanting to wieght pull, they do it very very well on their own :)

[Brothermarree]

Some Van Pelt's(75%)(25% Red Boy/Joko/Norrod) /Sorrel 1/8 carver blood
My male is big- bringing him to a smaller female adds more agilty- he already has good ing.
I don't like the Idea of breeding him to some big 70 # females then of spring would be to bulky.

Plus I was told by a friend that he is top heavy and needs his back worked up, so also with the Cha Cha breeding will even out the over all dog.

[Brothermarree]

Also, there is no need for crossing them with anything if you are wanting to wieght pull, they do it very very well on their own :)I run my own blood- I don't want to pull with someone elses blood. Our pulling program will be heavy Van Pelt's.
Out crossed ever so often.

[Brothermarree]

I know- your think- why cross witth that RE looking blue.
That pic in my sig is his "BULLY" pic- he is very porportionate and turning into a good working dog.
It's getting easier and easier to pull him.

[GAPITS]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=22603

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=33120

there are two prime examples of some awesome pull dogs, not crossed

[Brothermarree]

Nice peds but like I said I run my own blood.
Just want to Add something to my Van Pelt's.

[tommy3]

You know I couldn't agree more.
Sorrells dogs are fine as they are.
No offense, If you want Sorrells blood, get you a Sorrells dog. If you mix in your dog's blood, it will not improve anything.
I can't see the two working together well. Not at all.

Just because you think your dog can pull, it does not mean that it will be a good match. Has your bully earned any titles to prove himself as a good weightpuller?

[GAPITS]

Well best of luck, I am done with this thread, I personally think you are doing the Sorrells line a great injustice by mixing it up. We that raise and own the line have worked very hard to build a good reputation for them, they shouldn't be mixed in with dogs if a questionable ped, and blues are questionable.

[tommy3]

Well best of luck, I am done with this thread, I personally think you are doing the Sorrells line a great injustice by mixing it up. We that raise and own the line have worked very hard to build a good reputation for them, they shouldn't be mixed in with dogs if a questionable ped, and blues are questionable.
Damn right, GA.

[Brothermarree]

This one ain't and he aint no Bully.
No n justice I'll post a workinng pic.

[GAPITS]

Well then what is he? I have looked at the ped and most of it ends like this

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=13744

So you tell me what is it? It isn't gamebred

[Brothermarree]

VAN PELT's EGOR is a Grandson of Diamond Jim.
http://mfspitbull.com/pedigree1/printpedigree/printout.php?recordID=34366
Van Pelt's Doesn't need improving, I just wanted to out cross to a good line worth crossing too.

[GAPITS]

Well then why not go and mix up the Zebo line? and one game bred dog in 8 generations, does not make him game bred. To much has changed down thru the stock, nothing left.

[Brothermarree]

Correction G-Grand Son of him

[tommy3]

You still haven't posted anything regarding your dogs titles. How do you know that your dog is worthy to be bred as a weightpuller in the first place? Has he actually won any competitions?

And I agree, adding a Sorrells dog to the lineup will only make it more scatterbred. If you want to improve, try tightening things up.

[Brothermarree]

Well then why not go and mix up the Zebo line? and one game bred dog in 8 generations, does not make him game bred. To much has changed down thru the stock, nothing left.The ped is heavy on the Van Pelt's Egor side.
So Diamond Jim isn't just in their oncePluce everything is pretty much bred off him in that ped.

[GAPITS]

What I am trying to say is that since it is no closer apparently than 8 gens, and has been mixed up from that point on with all sorts of dogs, it is no longer Zebo bred, game bred, or anything else but a scatter. If he is a good dog, then that's great, keep taking good care of him (he does look very well cared for). But why try to make something out of that ped that it's not, and why scatter it even further, if you want to bring the game back, then you need to go with as heavy a dog as you can find, that is somewhere in the ped, bring back what has been lost. Remember when you mix something else in, you get good and bad traits from both sides.

[GAPITS]

You still haven't posted anything regarding your dogs titles. How do you know that your dog is worthy to be bred as a weightpuller in the first place? Has he actually won any competitions?

And I agree, adding a Sorrells dog to the lineup will only make it more scatterbred. If you want to improve, try tightening things up.
Exactly what I am trying to say :)

[Brothermarree]

But it's not Scatter bred- it's pretty solid VAn Pelt's.
with an 1/4 outcross.

[GAPITS]

But what is Van Pelt's? What have they done to create their won bloodline? Anyone else ever use it? To me it looks like Van Pelt's is a mixing of several different lines that someone put their name on.

[Brothermarree]

No, it was a kennel down in florida working game blood and also had a SEPERATE SHOW LINE.
Van Pelt's Egor Obviously came from the game/working line and was bought by a group of guys around here (midwest) Then was Line bred over and over.
His offspring was linebred too., which is why their may be different names on the ped becuse differenr ppl owned the dog/decendents but it's all Van Pelt's Egor Blood.

[rocksteady]

one dog with the name Van Pelts regardless of how many times he shows up in a pedigree does not constitute a "bloodline". It looks like this kennel peddled pups to anyone that would buy them because of so many names (owners) that show up. If they were trying to create a bloodline, their names would be on alot more than just 1 dog that shows up in the 4th gen and a couple more in the 5th.. your peds are only based of of a couple dogs..not a bloodline.. Look at a sorrell's pedigree.. sorrell's is a bloodline..count the number of times "sorrell's" shows up in 4 generations...

Anyone can take 2 dogs, breed them and have pups, then breed those pups..but by having so many different names of "breeders" it looks like Van Pelt wasnt very proud of their dogs nor anyone else who was breeding off these dogs.. All it looks like is someone found a male and a female off similar breeding and stuck them together.,.. that in itself is not a bloodline..

[ABK]

No, it was a kennel down in florida working game blood and also had a SEPERATE SHOW LINE.
Van Pelt's Egor Obviously came from the game/working line and was bought by a group of guys around here (midwest) Then was Line bred over and over.
His offspring was linebred too., which is why their may be different names on the ped becuse differenr ppl owned the dog/decendents but it's all Van Pelt's Egor Blood.IMO we should lay off Brothermarree. Sure, his breeding will degrade the Sorrell line, but it will improve what he's got & that's what matters. Isn't it the goal of all of us to improve our yard? I mean this guy could be out there breeding bluffs. Look at his dog Dee. He looks like a bluffer's dream. Brothermarree could be peddling bluffs a litter a minute off that dog. But he's not. Instead he's trying to improve his line by outcrossing to a good, game line & I respect that.

Brothermarree, I agree w/ Tommy. You seem to like the Diamond Jim blood. Why not buy a good Luniewski bred dog & try bringing your foundation blood back to the front? Scatterbreeding will do you no good.

JMHO ...

[14rock]

IMO we should lay off Brothermarree. Sure, his breeding will degrade the Sorrell line, but it will improve what he's got & that's what matters. Isn't it the goal of all of us to improve our yard? I mean this guy could be out there breeding bluffs. Look at his dog Dee. He looks like a bluffer's dream. Brothermarree could be peddling bluffs a litter a minute off that dog. But he's not. Instead he's trying to improve his line by outcrossing to a good, game line & I respect that.

If Brothermarree was honestly trying to improve her yard she would not be peddling pups on hoobly.com . Not peddling bluffs, decide for yourself from the ad below....

"
kiwi is razors edge,van pelt's, indian bolio, and ruffian of harwyn

she is soxzy's mom- she has the ability to throw !!huge!! pups

you can see her at www.freewebs.com/windycitybluezkennel

the gene combo will produce big dogs "

[Brothermarree]

Like I said no improvement needed.
Just looking for something worth crossun into- have yo seen a good pic of dee?
Not the pic in m sig a good one?
There was a Group of ppl w/ this blood hence all the names- Van Pelts kennels didn't breed the current Line of Van Pelt's Egor out here the GROUP that bought him did.
And most "Bluffers" don't really respond to him, why?
Becuase he aint a bluff- he acts like a bulldog, is on the TALL Side and is to the ADBA standard.
Not bully, big?, yes, but not bully.

[ABK]

If Brothermarree was honestly trying to improve her yard she would not be peddling pups on hoobly.com . Not peddling bluffs, decide for yourself from the ad below....

"
kiwi is razors edge,van pelt's, indian bolio, and ruffian of harwyn

she is soxzy's mom- she has the ability to throw !!huge!! pups

you can see her at www.freewebs.com/windycitybluezkennel (http://www.freewebs.com/windycitybluezkennel)

the gene combo will produce big dogs "Almost all breeders "peddle" pups. The only thing that's different is the venue that is used. Some use the low-class classifieds while some use the high-class Gazette. Although I will say I'm disappointed that the size of the pups is their main selling point.

[miakoda]

We do NOT support puppy peddlers!

ANYONE who peddles pups be it through hoobly, puppysites, domesticsale.com (you know who you are ;) ), freeadscity (same person ;) ), newpapers whether online or regular does NOT need to be breeding dogs! These are the people ruining the breed!

Your main reason to breed is for yourself! The pups should be for YOU to keep or for you to farm out/give/etc to other people who are involved in this breeding. Not to sell to the first wanna-be who shows you some $$$.

Ugh. I can never get over all this shit.

[ABK]

We do NOT support puppy peddlers!

ANYONE who peddles pups be it through hoobly, puppysites, domesticsale.com (you know who you are ;) ), freeadscity (same person ;) ), newpapers whether online or regular does NOT need to be breeding dogs! These are the people ruining the breed!
What about the ppl who advertise in the Gazette?

[miakoda]

What about the ppl who advertise in the Gazette?I don't like people who advertise period in those venues period. If some of us can successfully own, breed, & raise bulldogs without the need to sell to the general public, more specifically wanna-be name riders, then it CAN be done. Only $$$ speaks louder & tends to have more influence.

[rocksteady]

Almost all breeders "peddle" pups. The only thing that's different is the venue that is used. Some use the low-class classifieds while some use the high-class Gazette. Although I will say I'm disappointed that the size of the pups is their main selling point.there is a difference between someone who sells a few pups out of a litter that has come from proven stock and keeps or farms out most than someone who breeds and sells the entire litter and is actually peddling pups. Just look at the ads themselves. Kennels that have proven themselves in some way shape and form while may post some big flashy ads in these publications, do not usually say much about the litter with alot of fancy adjectives to describe them. Most people can look at the ped or kennel and know what to expect... While someone who is trying to peddle pups will use all kinds of big words to describe the litter and say how great it is because they are like used car salesmen. No one knows exactly what to expect so they have to use some other way.

[GAPITS]

IMO we should lay off Brothermarree. Sure, his breeding will degrade the Sorrell line, but it will improve what he's got & that's what matters. Isn't it the goal of all of us to improve our yard? I mean this guy could be out there breeding bluffs. Look at his dog Dee. He looks like a bluffer's dream. Brothermarree could be peddling bluffs a litter a minute off that dog. But he's not. Instead he's trying to improve his line by outcrossing to a good, game line & I respect that.

Brothermarree, I agree w/ Tommy. You seem to like the Diamond Jim blood. Why not buy a good Luniewski bred dog & try bringing your foundation blood back to the front? Scatterbreeding will do you no good.

JMHO ...
Did you read what you posted? "Sure, his breeding will degrade the Sorrells line, but will improve what he's got & that's what matters" Are you kidding me, this has to be a joke. How would you feel if the hard work and effort that you put into your dogs and the line you have chosen was out there being bred by every joe blow back yard peddler? I would also like to add that Luniewski nor any self respecting breeder would never intentionally sell, farm, or whatever any dog that would be bred just to produce another back yard bred dog. If brothermarree is serious about improving their line (which the hoobly ad doesn't help make it seem like that's what they are doing) then they would be trying to obtain the best possible dogs of the same breeding, not scattering it out even more.

[Brothermarree]

IN YOU OPPINION IT's SCATTER NOT MINE.
I know the line and what to expect from it.

[miakoda]

RESPONSIBLE and RESPECTABLE breeders do not need to sell to the general public via generic means. These breeders have owners lined up waiting that are qualified & knowledgable about the breed & want the best for the breed.

People who own these dogs for money & ego do the above mentioned (previous post of mine) kind of breeding & advertising.

[ABK]

GAPITS: No, it's not a joke. Aren't you out to improve your yard? I know I am. And I thought Brothermarree was as well. I did say his breeding will degrade the Sorrells line, but I should have made myself more clear. It will degrade Brothermarree's line of Sorrell dogs. For example, the breedings off Dee x a Sorrell gyp will not be as good as a pure Sorrell dog, but it will be better than what he's got now. It will not however, affect the dogs on your yard, Joanie's yard, Bert's yard, etc. But they will improve the quality of his dogs, which will in turn result in an improvement in his yard & I can't fault the man for trying to improve his yard.

rocksteady: I agree w/ you there. There is a diff between someone out to make money & someone out to cover a few feed bills. My point was they're both still "peddling."

[Brothermarree]

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The male is Van Pelt's
The Female Sorrell's 1/8 Carver
They will produce the pullers I want and be all around working dogs.
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[Brothermarree]

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This is the Sorrel's Female 1/8 carver

[GAPITS]

IN YOU OPPINION IT's SCATTER NOT MINE.
I know the line and what to expect from it.Bet it ain't just me that has that opinion, care to take a poll on that?

[GAPITS]

GAPITS: No, it's not a joke. Aren't you out to improve your yard? I know I am. And I thought Brothermarree was as well. I did say his breeding will degrade the Sorrells line, but I should have made myself more clear. It will degrade Brothermarree's line of Sorrell dogs. For example, the breedings off Dee x a Sorrell gyp will not be as good as a pure Sorrell dog, but it will be better than what he's got now. It will not however, affect the dogs on your yard, Joanie's yard, Bert's yard, etc. But they will improve the quality of his dogs, which will in turn result in an improvement in his yard & I can't fault the man for trying to improve his yard.

rocksteady: I agree w/ you there. There is a diff between someone out to make money & someone out to cover a few feed bills. My point was they're both still "peddling."
Yes I am out to improve my yard, that is why i don't breed scatters, or sell puppies on hoobly.com or anywhere else.I breed for my personal stock and any pups that leave my yard go to other dog people, not sold and not to the general public. Apparently you haven't been around the block with this breed yet, as it is widely known that if this person breeds a scatter to a Sorrells (or any other line), then sells them on hoobly or wherever (and this is fact, already got some listed), then those people go around blah blah blah my Sorrells dog this and my Sorrells dogs that, about sub par dogs. IT DOES DEGRADE THE ENTIRE LINE!!!!

[Brothermarree]

They will be Van Pelt's/Sorrel's

[ABK]

GAPITS: There is no way it will degrade the entire line. It's impossible. If you have good dogs, they will still be good dogs regardless of what Brothermarree does or does not do. Now breeders who put out substandard Sorrell dogs may degrade the reputation of Sorrell dogs, but the only ppl who will be having these substandard Sorrell dogs will be newbies who's word probably won't even get out of their circle of friends, let alone their side of town. Real doggers will instead be familiar w/ dogs like yours & know the real deal on the Sorrell line.

Brothermarree: You kept saying that "no improvement is needed." If no improvement is needed, why are you outcrossing Dee? Why aren't you breeding him back to like bred bitches? Not trying to be a jerk, just curious.

[GAPITS]

They will be Van Pelt's/Sorrel's
Wanna bet the emphasis gets put on the Sorrells?

[GAPITS]

GAPITS: There is no way it will degrade the entire line. It's impossible. If you have good dogs, they will still be good dogs regardless of what Brothermarree does or does not do. Now breeders who put out substandard Sorrell dogs may degrade the reputation of Sorrell dogs, but they will not degrade the quality & what really matters? Quality or reputation? You sounds like a top-notch breeder GAPITS so I doubt you're breeding for reputation.

Brothermarree: You kept saying that "no improvement is needed." If no improvement is needed, why are you outcrossing Dee? Why aren't you breeding him back to like bred bitches? Not trying to be a jerk, just curious.i understand what you are saying, but please understand what I am to. If there is a breeding of a scatter to any line, and then those dogs are bred again and again. All the while people putting the name out there it will eventually put a burden on the entire line. I and others will continue to put out quality bulldogs with a good reputation, but it will make it hard on all of us.
We have worked hard to produce consistently many generations of the best the line has to offer and no one wants to see that destryed by someone that will go out and peddle them as fast as they come into heat and reproduce.

I feel that any dog that is bred should have some kind of ability, title, etc that makes it worthy to be bred. Tommy asked that question earlier and I see there has still been no real response to what makes these dogs worthy to even be bred.

[Brothermarree]

I like some of the Van Pelt's females I've seen but to be truthful My male if inbred 3/4 of his ped I want a worthy outcross to take him to before going back into mre van Pelt's (His daugters)

I guess the statement was extreme becuse every line has faults.
But also he's already going to my Sorrel's female and just wanted to know of any local sorrel's blood to see if I might take more to out cross to Van pelt's and bring back gain.
Like
1.Dee/Cha Cha Daughter back to Dee
Then 1. brought back to Dee or more Van pelt's blood.
THEN 1. being outcrossed to Sorrel's of course this is years off just wanna see if anyones running the blood around here.

2.Dee/Cha Cha daughter to a 1/2 Van Pelt's male
Then 2 being brought to Dee
Then/ OR bring 1 and 2 of spring together.
Never know. Hopefully they all Ace.

[rocksteady]

If i was looking at those pups, I would be looking more at the sorrels than the "van pelts"

BTW..I did a search on the internet for Van Pelts to see this bloodline and only one dog ever comes up ..and the only site were some of your ads and one kennel who only mentions Egor..doesnt post any peds and supposedly "dogs are all he does"

But looking at one of your sales ads, " Possible weight pullers.
Bloodlines are: Nevil's(Van Pelt's) Dibo Blood/Old School Redboy/Red Devil Cross On Top
Gator/Tonka/Red Devil On Bottom"

So is this bloodline Nevil's or Van pelts... Im getting confused

[rocksteady]

rocksteady: I agree w/ you there. There is a diff between someone out to make money & someone out to cover a few feed bills. My point was they're both still "peddling."
NO they are NOT. Selling a few dogs out of a litter and placing an ad to do it does not constitue PEDDLING.

[Brothermarree]

He has a son Named Nevil's Cold Bullet- Direct son of Egor- Thse who know about this line MIGHT consider him Nevil's Strain because Nevil's has been working the blood for about 23 years.
I don't really wanna deal with him. ( NOT BASHING)
He used to breed for Gameness/Blue dogs but now he has some RE crosses.
(Oh and NO, NO RE in my boy.)
Anyway that's why.
You probably seen his site- Nevil's cold blue bullet is quite oldand still very athletic
Between 11-13 maybe 14 or 15 now.

[Brothermarree]

Oh and not judging cause he has RE croses- just he seems to have alot- so I ws told not bashing.

[tommy3]

Jeez, 50 posts later and you still have not mentioned what makes your dog worth breeding. Brothermarree, please stop dodging the question.

[Brothermarree]

He hasn't titled- He has everything I want in a foundation male.
Plain and simple- and let's not go the "Unproven" route. Lot's of ppl on here have untitled dogs.
Difference is their dogs are 30-50 lbs and not blue so you don't ask them.

[tommy3]

He hasn't titled- He has everything I want in a foundation male.
Plain and simple- and let's not go the "Unproven" route. Lot's of ppl on here have untitled dogs.
Difference is their dogs are 30-50 lbs and not blue so you don't ask them.If he isn't titled, how do you know if the dog is any good at weightpulling? If you are going to breed weightpulling dogs, you need something that will show that your dogs are actually any good.
Also, what is the reason behind choosing Sorrells dogs to cross with your dog? What are you expecting to gain?

The truth is, the dogs that are a well bred 30-50 lbs from game lines have not strayed from what the breed is supposed to be. Whether you like it or not, your dog is not game bred or from game lines. The dog is unproven (other than your personal feelings for the dog). If it was known that someone here was just peddling pups (as you seem to be) from unproven stock, someone would say something. It has nothing to do with the dog's size.
It has everything to do with the fact that you are breeding an unproven dog. If you want to improve the dog and it's lines consider this.
Prove your dog worthy.
If it proves worthy, breed the dog back to some dogs that may have lent a hand in producing the worthy dog within recent generations. This way you can tighten it up. Adding another line to the mix will only cause more inconsistencies.
The breeding of unproven dogs are the reason why shelters are slap full.

What you want in a foundation male is not what is important. Obviously, what you are looking for in a foundation male is not what is good for the breed. If so, your foundation male would be proven in some aspect.

[Brothermarree]

These won't be shelter dogs, why chose Sorrel? Becase in my eyes it's worthy of crossing into this line.
Plain and simple.
He is a proven producer though.
Although I DID NOT SELL HIS DAUGHTER- ( the person with the mother did)- His daughter was game tesed. ( Did quite well according to some of the local dogmen)
I don't advertis it becuase I don't like [] Not knocking anyone but I'mnot one to do it.

[tommy3]

Sorrells is worthy of crossing into your line?.......................

So just because you say it is a good match, it is automatically a good match?

How is this possible?

You do not know what Sorrells dogs are good at or which dogs are known to throw what.

You don't even know what your own dog is capable of.

How the hell do you know what line of dogs will work with your dog?

It is impossible.

At the very least you would have to know what aspects your dog needs improvement on and find a line that can fill that void.
However, you can't do that because your dog has not been proven in any way. You admitted this earlier.

Also, just because your dogs offspring supposedly was "game tested" by local "dogmen" it doesn't mean squat to anybody here. Anybody can call themselves a dogman. I tell you this, out of every 10000 so-called dogmen, only 1 may actually be able to live up to the name.

If Van Pelts was a good line, you would here of them somewhere, sometime. That is not the case.

By the way, it is SORRELLS. Not Sorrel's.
You don't even know how to spell it. I really doubt that you know what the line has to offer.

[mntman2003]

You need to join a weight pull board and not degrate game bred lines and just get you some gotti stuff and call it a day.bet you wouldnt know a game bred dog if it bit you in the highknee brotha!!

[Brothermarree]

Any way- how do you know?- I told you earlier what my dog lacks in structure.
Hey don't even try to take me the - "non real dogman rout" I could care less.
I don't game test.

You never know excatly what will happen with any cross but you better believe I know what I exspect.
And this girl compliments what my male lacks structually.
She has a more even back end that I hope she passes to pups.

[Brothermarree]

You need to join a weight pull board and not degrate game bred lines and just get you some gotti stuff and call it a day.Do I look like I want Gotti lines for weight pull?
And why would I tke your advice when you (Tommy) have said a bulldog shouldn't even be as big as 50lbs. So that right there leet's me know you have a biased oppinion.
I'll run my yard with the best cross/inbred/linebred dogs posible.
I ain't trying to cross Weight pull lines becuse besides a few small dogs most are mixed.

[tommy3]

Any way- how do you know?- I told you earlier what my dog lacks in structure.
Hey don't even try to take me the - "non real dogman rout" I could care less.
I don't game test.

You never know excatly what will happen with any cross but you better believe I know what I exspect.
And this girl compliments what my male lacks structually.
She has a more even back end that I hope she passes to pups.
Do what you do.....
You obviously have your heart set on taking two dogs you know nothing about and producing dogs that you know nothing about.

Go ahead and:
*Breed unproven dogs
*Cross a dog with a poor lineage to a line that you know nothing about in hopes of gaining "structure"
*sell dogs on hoobly.com and such
*ignore help and blatantly push off anyone who is trying to show you your wrongs
*advertise dogs for sale with words such as "weightpulling" when your dogs are not proven in such ways

[tommy3]

Do I look like I want Gotti lines for weight pull?
And why would I tke your advice when you (Tommy) have said a bulldog shouldn't even be as big as 50lbs. So that right there leet's me know you have a biased oppinion.
I'll run my yard with the best cross/inbred/linebred dogs posible.
I ain't trying to cross Weight pull lines becuse besides a few small dogs most are mixed.
Please show me where I ever said that.

Most small dogs are mixed?

[CRG]

*advertise dogs for sale with words such as "weightpulling" when your dogs are not proven in such waysDon't forget blue reverse brindle.

[Brothermarree]

*ignore help and blatantly push off anyone who is trying to show you your wrongs
That's just it- No wrong just yor biased oppinions against dogs you don't own.

[Brothermarree]

No most weight pull lines are.

[tommy3]

*ignore help and blatantly push off anyone who is trying to show you your wrongs
That's just it- No wrong just yor biased oppinions against dogs you don't own.
Ok, so you are saying that your idea of breeding dogs based on your personal feelings is better breeding than my advise of proving your dogs before considering them for breeding?

That makes alot of sense.:rolleyes:

[Brothermarree]

No hat I'm saying is he already proved it to me. He will be titled to prove it on paper.

[Brothermarree]

Have you guys seen the two dogs I'm talking about?

[14rock]

I'm going to close this to end the bickering. Everyone is set in their ways and this debate will not better the board or its members at all. If you insist on bickering some more, take it to PM.