Breeding Question???

[lengyx]

I read somewhere that if u breed a pair most of the bloodline is gonna be carried through the female. I mean how the pups look and all. I remeber when my friend breed his dogs about 80% of the pups turned out to look like the female. Is there a truth to that?

[lockjaw]

no! if the father is a red nose a good % will be red nose and some pups will pull back up to seven generations-example you breed two brindle dogs...and may get a tan dog or white one.now adays bloodlines have been washed out..with some exceptions like sorrel.

[lengyx]

Yes i understand all of that. It makes sense. But for some reason to me it seems like the female charateristic show out more in the pups. Im not saying that the male side doesn't show up either. for example my friends litter. the male was short stocky blocked head. the female had the old school look to it long slender legs narrow snout. A good percentage turned out looking like the female. Also for my female her father was a good 60lbs but her mother was 35lbs she is now a year old and is about 30lbs. I was just wondering because i heard and i read that the bloodline is carried out stronger in females. But i believe everything u say.

[Dawnely]

Females carry the gameness, and most of the time the males throw the colors, but it depends on who has the stronger genes.

[tommy3]

Females carry the gameness, and most of the time the males throw the colors, but it depends on who has the stronger genes.
What?!

Where did this come from? If that was true, there would be no point in proving males. LMAO

[Mercepitdog]

What?!

Where did this come from? If that was true, there would be no point in proving males. LMAO

Lets agree with tab dog's sig about the loose lips.

[Dawnely]

I am not saying that males dont also but If you ask any knowledgeable dog man or look at a good dogs papers, see what dog is being bred back to and what has been produced..:) What?!

Where did this come from? If that was true, there would be no point in proving males. LMAO

[lengyx]

LoL well i guess we all can agree that game + game= game not just male or female carries more game

[SLICK WILLIE]

Frisco bred dogs can run litters of buckskin and if its tight bred that is the way it will look on your yard. Depends on the line of dog and what blood you bring back into it. Color don't make the dog or tell anything about the line except that this color was there at some point and time.

[Miles]

Didn't we all study this in school? This is all about genetics, the answers to your questions is it depends one what the dominate gene is. For example: Dark hair is usually dominate over lighter hair. Tall or short. Wide chest or slender chest.

Even then it's not 100% certain the dominate gene will take in the offspring, if you find out what the dominate genes are you will further know your chances of how you want the pups to look... I remember this from years ago in school, but they were talking about humans, I'm sure it's the same concept.

[Miss Conduct]

LoL well i guess we all can agree that game + game= game not just male or female carries more game
THATS NOT NEC. TRUE. ALOT OF GAMEBRED DOGS ARENT GAME, THOUGH THEY ARE A MUCH HIGHER PERCENTAGE THEN CUR+CUR, OR GAME+CUR

[miakoda]

It's all 50/50. A pup gets 50% of it's genes from it's sire & 50% of its genes from it's dam. That's just the cold hard fact. As for gameness, no one dog can "produce" it as it's found in an individual dog not in a breeding.

[Dawnely]

To each his own but I'll keep going back to the bitch. Your best chance for sucsess is when you take bitch to male/male pup back to bitch/female pup back to original sire/male pup back to original bitch. Now obviously that will take a while, but I think its one way you can continue to produce good dogs.

[Big Papa]

ha as long as the pups are healthy and in good condition then it's a succesful breeding unless bad ppl get to them......and female/ male thing it depends on whose genes are more dominant

[Dawnely]

Who's gonna breed an unhealthy dog?

[Dawnely]

and the dogs will already have the females genes, she is being bred back to.

[miakoda]

and the dogs will already have the females genes, she is being bred back to.
What you are speaking of is linebreeding & inbreeding. Yes, the more similar the lines/genetics, the stronger the traits. However, I'm starting off basic. If you take 2 dogs from completely different lines, you will get 50/50 from each the sire & dam. It would be nice to say to that the bitch will pass along only the good genes while the sire if iffy, but if that was truly the case, then breeding for success would be painfully easy. And we know that that is definitely not the case.

[thedude04]

its the same concept im studying right now in collaglol but y wouldnt it aply everthing made up of the same stuff they put huge amounts off money into this stuff at the lab at my school they can take dna strands and determine what dom and resivie and i know they do it with mise so u can most defantley do it with a dog prople for alot of money thow but ya its all the same

[wisconsindog]

color comes from genes but gamness my freind is a trait that can be pssed down but i dont think there is a real science to imo you win some you loose some try to win

[Iverson's Pits]

Listen here people! :) The bitch brings MORE than just 50% to the breeding. Here's why:

Dr. Jim Gannon has penned the following to keep participants informed about important breeding issues. Let me ask the simple question -- Do the sire and dam have equal input into the inherited qualities of the litter? Now, of course, 99% of respondents will automatically say - Yes - but is that the reality? According to the information from Theresa Garton in Oklahoma City in USA, research has revealed irrefutable scientific evidence that challenges, and disproves, that popular traditional belief. So the real ANSWER is - that the bitch actually contributes more than 50% genetically to her litter. For the scientifically minded, this is how the apparent heresy comes about: -Every structure within the body is composed of millions of tiny cells (brain cells, liver cells, kidney cells, skin cells, etc.) -Every cell has three important components - a nucleus containing the genes hidden in the coils of DNA - a membrane (like a skin) that holds the contents of the cell together-and, the cytoplasm which is a jelly-like fluid filling the cell and supporting some other structures essential to cell operation, and, to life itself. -Two of these life-support structures within the cytoplasm are the Mitochondria, and the Golgi Apparatus. Now, the egg produced in the ovary is similar to any of the other millions of cells of which the body is composed - except it has only 50% of the mother's genetic material (DNA) in its nucleus, same as the sire has in his sperm, BUT the egg also contains the mother's cytoplasmic life-support mitochondria, Golgi Apparatus, and all of the other enzymes within the normal cytoplasm. -On the other hand, the sperm contributed by the sire contains only the usual 50% of his genetic DNA in its nucleus, plus a tail to enable directional guidance when swimming, and a short-lived energy supply for the swim-but virtually no cytoplasm. (and consequently, none of its important life-supporting mitochondria or Golgi Apparatus structures --these come only from the bitch.

Fertilization occurs when the sperm of the sire locates and enters the egg of the bitch, and the newly formed cell develops into a pup over the next nine weeks. However, it becomes immediately apparent that the pup which develops from that fertilized egg will have equal DNA contributions (genes) from each parent (50% DNA from each) within its nucleus, BUT, will also have all of the essential life-support systems of the mitochondria and Golgi Apparatus from its mother's egg within its cytoplasm -- and these are inherited ONLY from the mother. Without these life-support structures, the genes within the newly formed nucleus would never survive to reach their genetic potential --and, the efficiency of the working cell in later life will be totally dependent upon these cytoplasmic structures inherited from the bitch. The RESULT is that the litter really do inherit more from the mother than the sire. The LESSON is to select the brood bitch with just as much care and attention as you would for the sire.

This was posted by member TRBA a while back, and allows more insight into the topic than just..."well, the pup LOOKs more like her mommy."<!-- / message -->

[Brothermarree]

Good info
Never knew that

[NGDOGMAN]

yea i am in college too and that sounds exactly right. good post. I tell people who i know that know nothing about dogs that nothing scientific to it but given the case above you could just say the female was 60 and male 40. but this is not consistent because 23 pairs of cromosomes match up 23 from the male and 23 from the female so whatever dog has the stronger chromosome the pups will display that characteristic. it could be any mixture of dominant mother or father chromosomes. and every chromosome is responsible for a different set of traits. it has been a while since i studied this but i am pretty sure that is all correct.

[lengyx]

Now that makes sense. Good info

[lonesharkpits]

the fact of the matter is that dominant traits are most likely to come out in a litter whether it be carried by the male, female, or both.

[SLICK WILLIE]

Didn't we all study this in school? This is all about genetics, the answers to your questions is it depends one what the dominate gene is. For example: Dark hair is usually dominate over lighter hair. Tall or short. Wide chest or slender chest.

Even then it's not 100% certain the dominate gene will take in the offspring, if you find out what the dominate genes are you will further know your chances of how you want the pups to look... I remember this from years ago in school, but they were talking about humans, I'm sure it's the same concept.
It's been so long I don't recall school and what I was told about genes But I didn't learn bulldogs in school. That is earned by blood, sweat and tears brother! Money and time and more time and money! Getting the short end of the stick untill you prove to be true to the game in any click you find!

[luv_a_bull_girl]

Genetics can be a tricky thing... ive only had the pleasure of birthing one litter... the first pup looked like her sire who looked like his dam... the second and third pup both looked like their mommy who looked like her dam... the fourth pup took on his genetics from the sire's side because he looked exactly like his sire's littermate... the fifth pup went back a couple generations, he was all black and came from a dam who was seal, a sire who was dark brindle, both parents were colored like their dams and their sires were predominantly white... and the last pup could've came from either side since she was almost an orange brindle (she had real tiger colorings!) so yeah genetics is tricky...