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m.godoy
02-26-2013, 07:41 AM
Hello guys,

I would like your opinions on this pedigree.

Sire is pr rogues legolas

Dam is coldsteels kahlua n cream

texmex32
02-26-2013, 10:26 AM
Ped number

m.godoy
02-26-2013, 11:01 AM
Sire ukc# A301,855. Dam ukc# A114,855

coach
02-27-2013, 09:43 AM
Hello guys,

I would like your opinions on this pedigree.

Sire is pr rogues legolas


Dam is coldsteels kahlua n cream


I am not familiar with the dogs in question but they are beautiful show dogs.THey look to be fine animals.They are not performance bred dogs.

BoogiemanBlood
02-27-2013, 11:20 AM
They are turds, bred by a turd, who scammed Tanya's registered kennel name to peddle more fucking turds hoping people would confuse her kennel name with their shit garbage ass crap.

Iverson's Pits
02-27-2013, 02:06 PM
They are turds, bred by a turd, who scammed Tanya's registered kennel name to peddle more fucking turds hoping people would confuse her kennel name with their shit garbage ass crap.

Buahaha.....tell us how you really feel, BoogiemanBlood! lol

Pitman24
02-27-2013, 02:19 PM
Lopasay on the top side only, which means less than 50%

I see. He said vdog and mayday too. I know mayday and searched a lil on vdog. But he was stressing the loposay. It's my 1st bulldog with peds so I was just wondering. Thanks tho man

Lee D
02-27-2013, 03:22 PM
They are turds, bred by a turd, who scammed Tanya's registered kennel name to peddle more fucking turds hoping people would confuse her kennel name with their shit garbage ass crap.

cant stand that arrogant little prick. I think he was a member here at one time..until he got schooled/humiliated

Iverson's Pits
02-27-2013, 03:30 PM
I see. He said vdog and mayday too. I know mayday and searched a lil on vdog. But he was stressing the loposay. It's my 1st bulldog with peds so I was just wondering. Thanks tho man

Yea, your dog has some Mayday in there...but at less than 9%, your breeder probably shouldn't even be throwing that name around when describing the pedigree.

BoogiemanBlood
02-27-2013, 05:26 PM
The ped was removed because it's advertising a breeding. Not allowed. Sorry.

Iverson's Pits
02-27-2013, 05:32 PM
The ped was removed because it's advertising a breeding. Not allowed. Sorry.

How does that work? People post up breeding peds all the time:
"Im getting one out of this breeding"
"What can I expect from this breeding"
"My partner is doing this one"
so on and so on.

Just curious. Unless I missed something...This member was asking questions from an outsider's perspective, not trying to sell pups from their own stock.

Lee D
02-27-2013, 07:12 PM
if it has an email addy or a phone# its deleted

Iverson's Pits
02-27-2013, 08:37 PM
Ok....good to know, I suppose.


if it has an email addy or a phone# its deleted

Pitman24
02-27-2013, 09:42 PM
The ped was removed because it's advertising a breeding. Not allowed. Sorry.

I respect it..good look on the info iverson

m.godoy
02-28-2013, 08:52 AM
Ok, I'm a little confused on the conversation. I was asking what was everyone's opinion on these dogs ? I've sent in for the ped and registration but just wanted to know if anyone knew about them. I've found the mothers side here's the link.


BullyPedia|The American Bully Online Pedigree Database (http://www.bullypedia.net/americanbully/details.php?id=144290)

gh32
02-28-2013, 09:12 AM
Ok, I'm a little confused on the conversation. I was asking what was everyone's opinion on these dogs ? I've sent in for the ped and registration but just wanted to know if anyone knew about them. I've found the mothers side here's the link.


BullyPedia|The American Bully Online Pedigree Database (http://www.bullypedia.net/americanbully/details.php?id=144290)I'll try and put this as nicely as possible (since I'm a super nice guy,lol :-D ) but asking that on this forum is probably like going to a Corvette forum and asking about everyone's opinion of a Ford Escort.Probably won't be favorable. Their kennel name is awfully close to the real Cold Steel kennel that used to be around before the owner died.That in itself is kind of a bad name choice. I have no idea if it was intentional or not but not the name I would of picked after what happened. Anyway,not my cup of tea,but hope it makes you a nice pet and good luck with it.

gh32
02-28-2013, 09:14 AM
cant stand that arrogant little prick. I think he was a member here at one time..until he got schooled/humiliated I can't remember who it was,but we get lots of those kinds passing through so they sometimes run together in my memory. Someone has to be a "special" kind of prick for me to remember them,lol

m.godoy
02-28-2013, 09:25 AM
Thanks gh32. That's what exactly what I thought.

caldogg78
02-28-2013, 12:04 PM
They are turds, bred by a turd, who scammed Tanya's registered kennel name to peddle more fucking turds hoping people would confuse her kennel name with their shit garbage ass crap.

LOL!!!boogie on they head,gettm boy!!!

therealjudge
02-28-2013, 12:23 PM
most people that get schooled or humiliated usually just change their handle and come back and pretend like they know something about the breed when in all actuality don't have a clue what a bulldog is. funny how it works, j

Iverson's Pits
02-28-2013, 02:39 PM
Ok...so the first pedigree posted has NOTHING to do with this current one that just got posted. I can actually tell you quite a bit about that bloodline of dogs. The pedigree you posted for "Coldsteel's Kahula n Cream" is primarily the "Castillo" bloodline of dogs. Feel free to PM me with any specific questions about the pedigree. No, that pedigree isn't going to garner any respect on this forum...but that doesn't mean you have a bad dog. As far as what BoogiemanBlood said about the kennel name. I agree (sort of)

Tony Caranza was a guy who operated "Old Regrets Kennel" in the Los Angeles area. He scooped up a few dogs out in SoCal from people such as Tekla Castillo and Jofre Altarejos, as well as used Salvador Munoz' stud Kash...and changed his kennel name to "Coldsteel Kennel" or "CSK". Tony named his kennel after one of his favorite dogs that had passed away. The dog's name was "Cold Steel" and I believe he came from Sarona/Ishikawa bloold. Tony recruited a guy named Luis Magana to be a kennel partner, and over the matter of a few years...Tony and Luis had a falling out of sorts. Luis kept the kennel name and breedings going under the Coldsteel name. Anyways, there was already a "Coldsteel Pits" in operation by a well-known and respected dogwoman by the name of Tanya. I personally think that the name gaffe by Tony was unintentional, but seeing as how Luis Magana made a name for himself, by way of screwing people over, burning bridges, stealing from other breeders, not following through on breeding/puppy deals, and generally shady business practices...I definitely understand why people would assume the name was "stolen" and used to sell pups.

Luis tried changing his kennel name to "Hazard Jo Kennels" at one point (partially due to the flak he got about stealing Tonya's name), but died shortly after finally making that decision.

mccoypitbulls
02-28-2013, 03:07 PM
most people that get schooled or humiliated usually just change their handle and come back and pretend like they know something about the breed when in all actuality don't have a clue what a bulldog is. funny how it works, j

Naw they log in under another handle and come defend their old handle and in reality one handle is a pawn and the other is the puppet master! I think its called the muppet babies or fraggle rock.


shhhhhh ---i think that they went that way----------------------------------->

Iverson's Pits
02-28-2013, 05:23 PM
cant stand that arrogant little prick. I think he was a member here at one time..until he got schooled/humiliated

I have some pretty strong opinions about the guy you are referring to....a little bit more personal than forum BS though.

Iverson's Pits
02-28-2013, 05:25 PM
I guess I'm confused. Was the Coldsteel bitch bred to the Lopasay/Mayday pedigree that was posted ???

Pitman24
02-28-2013, 06:25 PM
I guess I'm confused. Was the Coldsteel bitch bred to the Lopasay/Mayday pedigree that was posted ???

Noo I just posted the ped because I got a pup off the loposay breeding and wanted more info on it...

Iverson's Pits
02-28-2013, 07:17 PM
Ok....so, do you have a dog out of Coldsteel's Kahlua & Cream ???

Pitman24
02-28-2013, 08:01 PM
No. I dont

Iverson's Pits
02-28-2013, 08:07 PM
Ok.....so, may I ask why you were curious about the dog/pedigree ???

Pitman24
02-28-2013, 08:16 PM
My first bulldog with ped papers and I wanted info on what I had...I didn't know much on the vdog and loposay part of the ped

Iverson's Pits
02-28-2013, 09:02 PM
My first bulldog with ped papers and I wanted info on what I had...I didn't know much on the vdog and loposay part of the ped

So you have your first dog with ped papers containing Coldsteel's Kahlua n Cream, but you don't have a dog out of Kahlua n Cream? I give up....

Pitman24
02-28-2013, 10:17 PM
Bro your confused I think. My ped was taken down for having an email address on it. Your mistaken me with the guy who originally posted

Iverson's Pits
02-28-2013, 10:25 PM
Bro your confused I think. My ped was taken down for having an email address on it. Your mistaken me with the guy who originally posted

Oh.....shit. Ok. Nevermind then.

m.godoy
03-17-2013, 09:18 AM
ok guys here is the ped. http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg110/saranmiguel24/ped.jpg