Por??

[EliDogs]

I don't know if this has been asked before but how does a dog become a producer of record??:confused:

[SpencerPits]

Crossposted from another forum:


PRODUCER OF RECORD

The Producer of Record (POR) is a title which was set up to reflect the true nature of a dogs ability to produce. A great producer does one thing, and that is produce bulldogs consistently. It is the sole duty of the POR title to reflect the genetic ability of these bulldogs.

These bulldogs are found and reflected upon in many ways, what the POR does, is unique. All aspect and accomplishments of their offspring, is weighed and then measured next to consistency. The POR system is very simple, and direct.

All bulldogs will have their offspring's accomplishments listed in this fashion, with no exceptions.

(during a show)
A dog that curs............ -3.0 points
A dog picked up game....... 1.0 point
1st win.................... 1.0 point
2nd win.................... 2.0 points
3rd win.................... 3.0 points
4th win.................... 4.0 points
5th win or more............ 5.0 points

Example.... A dog who has won 2, and picked up game on its 3rd would receive 1.0 point for its 1st, 2.0 points for its 2nd, and 1.0 point for being picked up game. Total = 4 points for its sire and dam.

(producing producers)
Every dog that produces a POR, they are to receive 6.0 points.

Example.... A dog has produced 2 POR dogs, they are to receive 12.0 points.


OVERALL

Each point will only account for 2 dogs, 1.0 point = 2 offspring. (if a dog has 20 points, they can have no more than 40 offspring. If a dog has 50 points, they can have no more than 100 offspring)

Any dog who does not have enough points to account for its offspring, does not deserve the POR title.

Example.... A bitch that has 10.0 points, and 20 or less offspring, she has reached the POR title. If the same bitch has 21 offspring and only 10.0 points, she is not POR.

There is no difference in the scoring for males and females, all are held to the same standard, and must not exceed the points to offspring ratio.

[SpencerPits]

BTW - some of what is written above...I have never heard of. So, I cannot personally verify how acurate it is. Just FWIW...

[440rider]

so in this sense is it better to go with a dog that has repeated POR in the ped over Rom or #of dogs with xW's in order to predict what kind of offspring will be produced?

for example: if you breed a 4x to a 1x and POR to a POR or to the offspring of a POR which is a better determiniation of the quality of dogs produced?

[Bubba]

Its all a roll of the dice, titles don't mean you'll get better dogs.
BB

[440rider]

surely if you are breeding off a POR dog the likelyhood of getting a good dog is higher considering the offspring that have been produced in turn elevating him to the POR status (under the above equation).
As is breeding dogs with good peds is a better predictor of ones without knowledge of background. Not saying peds make the dogs but they give you an Idea of where it came from, what it's made of (genitically) and the ground work to where it has the possibility of going.
I know it's luck of the drawl but what's the determining factor to even consider drawling?

[Bubba]

The determining factor should be the fact that you are using Good PROVEN stock.
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[440rider]

The determining factor should be the fact that you are using Good PROVEN stock.

yes, that goes without saying! i think what i'm getting at is does POR make a differrence if considering 2 litters if both litters are off proven stock, same blood, but 1 litter has POR in it more x than the other in 4 gens?

[Bluepit50]

yes, that goes without saying! i think what i'm getting at is does POR make a differrence if considering 2 litters if both litters are off proven stock, same blood, but 1 litter has POR in it more x than the other in 4 gens?I bet you did good in Math as a kid..........lol

I know that breeding has alot to do with probabilities, math, as well as luck.
One thing I know is that breeding from proven parents helps alot, atleast with what i've seen. Not saying anything bad of papers or bloodlines, but I like to get straight to the point. My stragedy will be examining proven dogs, and also looking for proven grandparents as well, anything more or less will not matter to me. Then considering i've found 2 proven parents that have proven grandparents, I will then evaluate what they have as far as how they structurally are built, their wind, and what I personally like......what kind of bite they have. I will try to get as much as possible from each area, then hope that the offspring will come out how I like. Once I have something good then I can do my own breeding to improve any areas even further. Personally anything past grandparents on a ped does not impress me, any dog can have winning great grandparents, I will concentrate on stronger influences, the grandparents and the parents. Hey, i'm just learning so i'm sure there are flaws to this stragedy, anyone with advice please give it.:)

[EliDogs]

Thanks for the info, makes since now..

[masta of game]

so rom is like frisco.. 500 offsprings with say only 25 are ch .

por is %...like a dog with 10 offsprings and 10 of them are ch

[BluegrassAPBTC]

Correct me if I am wrong but POR was a term used by the Registry and ROM was a term used by the SDJ.

[masta of game]

wtf

GR. CH. BROOD BITCH BRENDA (22 XW)(ROM) (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=193656)

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=193656



http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/offspring.php?dog_id=29&offset=50&orderBy=registered_name

[IMAT2AK]

Crossposted from another forum:
Sounds about right to me, however I haven't heard about some of it.

[MinorThreat]

Terry started POR when "your friend and mine" was around in 1995