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green machine
02-08-2011, 12:57 PM
I have a good friend that has this dog, I was looking over the dogs ped, and wanted to ask the opinions of the folks here. What do you guys think?

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=380132

kingkong1
02-08-2011, 01:14 PM
Dog looks good ,i actually have owned dogs off similar bloodlines.i love boyles/bolio boomerang blood.i have some dogs off addisons dudley ,dirty jersey ,backstreet truez ch.cortez etc...

benthere
02-08-2011, 01:26 PM
That is a very pretty dog, but in my opinion (you asked for it, right?) it does not have the very distinct type that the good dogs down from the Boyles blood have - neither do his parents. I don't know what the Milkman(or the people breeding his dogs) have done with their breeding program but they ended up with a lot of white spotted dogs that look nothing like the dogs they are descended from. I don't think most of the dogs that people refer to as "Boyles" dogs should be called that anymore anyway, because most of them are many generations removed from Mr. Boyles breeding program. Numerous breeders have created their own strains using dogs that originated from Boyles. WCC, BST, Milkman etc all produced families of dogs that are completely different from each other even though they may have had common ancestors. That dog definitely favors the Milkman/Goodman dogs of recent generations. Statuesque and pretty, but not the super strong bodied, rat tailed, short-haired dogs that I think of when I think of "Boyles" dogs.

green machine
02-08-2011, 01:32 PM
definately appreciate the opinion. keep em coming.

benthere
02-08-2011, 01:48 PM
this is my idea of what a "Boyles dog" should look like.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=5372

he would not get a second look from a judge at an ADBA show these days.

ChDynomite
02-08-2011, 02:20 PM
That is a very pretty dog, but in my opinion (you asked for it, right?) it does not have the very distinct type that the good dogs down from the Boyles blood have - neither do his parents. I don't know what the Milkman(or the people breeding his dogs) have done with their breeding program but they ended up with a lot of white spotted dogs that look nothing like the dogs they are descended from. I don't think most of the dogs that people refer to as "Boyles" dogs should be called that anymore anyway, because most of them are many generations removed from Mr. Boyles breeding program. Numerous breeders have created their own strains using dogs that originated from Boyles. WCC, BST, Milkman etc all produced families of dogs that are completely different from each other even though they may have had common ancestors. That dog definitely favors the Milkman/Goodman dogs of recent generations. Statuesque and pretty, but not the super strong bodied, rat tailed, short-haired dogs that I think of when I think of "Boyles" dogs.
I totaly agree with u. I have never been a fan of the vodoo dogs to me their not true to form of what the line should be. Just like many other lines that steem from the original Boyles stock. JMO! this is what i think a true modern day Boyles should look like. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=206302

Dream Pits
02-08-2011, 02:33 PM
this is my idea of what a "Boyles dog" should look like.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=5372

he would not get a second look from a judge at an ADBA show these days.

i predicted you were gonna post edie,i was close:D
i agree that the look of those dogs isnt what i was expected at all

green machine
02-08-2011, 02:34 PM
can you make that ped public so i can view it?

Flipside
02-08-2011, 02:35 PM
That is a very pretty dog, but in my opinion (you asked for it, right?) it does not have the very distinct type that the good dogs down from the Boyles blood have - neither do his parents. I don't know what the Milkman(or the people breeding his dogs) have done with their breeding program but they ended up with a lot of white spotted dogs that look nothing like the dogs they are descended from. I don't think most of the dogs that people refer to as "Boyles" dogs should be called that anymore anyway, because most of them are many generations removed from Mr. Boyles breeding program. Numerous breeders have created their own strains using dogs that originated from Boyles. WCC, BST, Milkman etc all produced families of dogs that are completely different from each other even though they may have had common ancestors. That dog definitely favors the Milkman/Goodman dogs of recent generations. Statuesque and pretty, but not the super strong bodied, rat tailed, short-haired dogs that I think of when I think of "Boyles" dogs.

This is part of where the white is coming down from!

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=72

rallyracer
02-08-2011, 02:40 PM
I have a good friend that has this dog, I was looking over the dogs ped, and wanted to ask the opinions of the folks here. What do you guys think?

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=380132


dog looks pretty well put together, and can obviously bring home the hardware.

stratos9
02-08-2011, 02:42 PM
Here's a Boyles female. IMO ...would be as good of brood bitch as anyone would dream of owning. She has proven it with her offspring. What is mixed with the Boyles is a line we have run for 10 yrs. All the dogs in this Ped have EARNED the right to breed and be on this Ped.

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stratos

mikefromMD
02-08-2011, 02:48 PM
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=72

resembles the original poster's ped...

youngslacker
02-08-2011, 02:49 PM
this dog seems to pertty...

ChDynomite
02-08-2011, 02:49 PM
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [206302] :: <B>SUPER KENNEL'S LUTHER JR.<B> (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=206302)

benthere
02-08-2011, 02:54 PM
I have a good friend that has this dog, I was looking over the dogs ped, and wanted to ask the opinions of the folks here. What do you guys think?

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=380132

the look in his eye tells me he'd rather stand than go when push comes to shove. he also lacks good bone in my opinion.
take a good look at the picture of Spanky and then look at this dog.
if you can't see any difference you need to get a hold of shank greedwood, I hear he's looking for a couple of new judges.

green machine
02-08-2011, 02:56 PM
benthere..i can appreciate your opinion but that dog gets pretty hot. I do see what your saying about the bone

Naustroms
02-08-2011, 03:43 PM
the look in his eye tells me he'd rather stand than go when push comes to shove. he also lacks good bone in my opinion.
take a good look at the picture of Spanky and then look at this dog.
if you can't see any difference you need to get a hold of shank greedwood, I hear he's looking for a couple of new judges.

the look in his eye ben?

dont know anything about the dog but if more people could tell that from a picture it'd make things a lot easier.

rallyracer
02-08-2011, 03:49 PM
the look in his eye tells me he'd rather stand than go when push comes to shove.


im glad we have ones as esteemed as yourself, folks that can tell the character of a dog by how it stands in its fenced in back yard for a photo, next to some plastic...those ARE some pretty challenging looking trophies now arent they :rolleyes:
because a dog wins conformation we now hold it against them? i have heard it all now.

Rock n Rye
02-08-2011, 05:01 PM
Spanky is not a Boyles dog he is a bolio boomerang dog.. Its more to thst breeding getting done then what meets the eye and more then Boyles.. Spanky sis Q o Hearts is not and never was considered Boyles so why is Spanky..

benthere
02-08-2011, 05:02 PM
the look in his eye ben?

dont know anything about the dog but if more people could tell that from a picture it'd make things a lot easier.

when evaluating an animal the first thing I look at is the eyes. I can see desire (or lack of) by the look in a dogs eyes.
here's an example:

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=291825

Rock n Rye
02-08-2011, 05:04 PM
That dog by green machine looks like them Andy Capp dogs.. His eyes don't mean nothin plenty confident dog's wit a dead stare that just went on to quit..

Rock n Rye
02-08-2011, 05:08 PM
Rollie (spanky son) had that look in his eyes make you think he be there all night.. but that mofo quit..

benthere
02-08-2011, 05:15 PM
im glad we have ones as esteemed as yourself, folks that can tell the character of a dog by how it stands in its fenced in back yard for a photo, next to some plastic...those ARE some pretty challenging looking trophies now arent they :rolleyes:
because a dog wins conformation we now hold it against them? i have heard it all now.


with a few exceptions most conformation judges don't even know what a gamedog looks or acts like. over the last few years the quality of dogs shown in the ADBA has become embarassing. look at the recent gazettes and the dogs that are making champion, they look nothing like gamedogs. the ADBA is creating a whole new type just like the bully breeders are doing, the only difference is one is fat and short the other is skinny and tall.

benthere
02-08-2011, 05:17 PM
Rollie (spanky son) had that look in his eyes make you think he be there all night.. but that mofo quit..

rollie was blind, he had cataracts, his eyes were totally glazed over! there were many good dogs off spanky, rollie wasn't one of them!!
but he threw some very game dogs, the blood was there. just shows how good of a stud spanky was.

benthere
02-08-2011, 05:39 PM
this ones got that look in her eye. and some boyles blood behind her.

her maternal grandsire had that look too.

benthere
02-08-2011, 06:20 PM
This is part of where the white is coming down from!

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=72

Kind of seems odd, cause WCC's Dirty Mary dogs were not white and spotted....

AGame
02-08-2011, 07:38 PM
this ones got that look in her eye. and some boyles blood behind her.




LMMFAO ahahaha please tell me this is a joke you can't even see the damn dogs eyes first of all second of all he is just pulling on a walk?? so that tells you how good of a dog you got huh the eyes and watching him walk the past few posts you have made were the most ridiculous i have seen from anyone on this site laughable at best

benthere
02-08-2011, 07:56 PM
LMMFAO ahahaha please tell me this is a joke you can't even see the damn dogs eyes first of all second of all he is just pulling on a walk?? so that tells you how good of a dog you got huh the eyes and watching him walk the past few posts you have made were the most ridiculous i have seen from anyone on this site laughable at best

that "dog" is a bitch. you better check your own eyes.

AGame
02-08-2011, 08:02 PM
that "dog" is a bitch. you better check your own eyes.


Hell ben i was looking for the eyes not the snatch so can you also tell em by the snatch now too?

virtualpedigrees
02-10-2011, 11:01 PM
This post is quite interesting, I'm involving myself only becus I have saw, rise and breed dogs that originated from Ronald Boyle's and WCC (Windy City combine) families of dogs some directly and some breed down from those two respectable breeders. I must agree, you can't tell anything about a dog by looking in his eye...and as far as Rollie (http://apbt.virtualpedigrees.com/details.php?id=74758) concerns I also heard about his blindness, but in his defends. I heard he do throw good dogs. I never had one, but I converse with his owner for a period of time and he informed me about the Rollie offsprings.

Now as far as Spanky (http://apbt.virtualpedigrees.com/details.php?id=120), Queen (http://apbt.virtualpedigrees.com/details.php?id=93), T-boy (http://apbt.virtualpedigrees.com/details.php?id=113) and Mavis (http://apbt.virtualpedigrees.com/details.php?id=688) they were littermates breed off of WCC yard, and Boyles had the Queen for a bit, did you also know that Queen of Heart (http://apbt.virtualpedigrees.com/details.php?id=93) was a conformation winner? Yea...it goes to show GREAT dogs are also real ring leader in judges eye. I believe the Andy Capp dog in the original posting take after the Dirty Mary (http://apbt.virtualpedigrees.com/details.php?id=355) gene (Redish fawn and white)

So my question to the poster who mention Spanky and Queen of Hearts are not Boyle's line, why you stated that can you explain? I am interesting in hearing your theory. Disclaimer: I understand Boyles didn't breed that litter, or did he.....:D

diggit
02-10-2011, 11:50 PM
That is a very pretty dog, but in my opinion (you asked for it, right?) it does not have the very distinct type that the good dogs down from the Boyles blood have - neither do his parents. I don't know what the Milkman(or the people breeding his dogs) have done with their breeding program but they ended up with a lot of white spotted dogs that look nothing like the dogs they are descended from. I don't think most of the dogs that people refer to as "Boyles" dogs should be called that anymore anyway, because most of them are many generations removed from Mr. Boyles breeding program. Numerous breeders have created their own strains using dogs that originated from Boyles. WCC, BST, Milkman etc all produced families of dogs that are completely different from each other even though they may have had common ancestors. That dog definitely favors the Milkman/Goodman dogs of recent generations. Statuesque and pretty, but not the super strong bodied, rat tailed, short-haired dogs that I think of when I think of "Boyles" dogs.


wowie, lots of banter here.

the OP's post (pedigree) the bottom side is the exact same as my male's. and to say my male lacks anything a boyles dog should be makes me laugh a little.

as well as some of the posts about "conformation" dogs. look at the pedigree... now is that dog bred for conformation OR does he just happen to look nice enough to WIN?? makes me wonder what people think the adba standard is built on?....

speaking from PERSONAL experience,... I love my double bred grandson to ch. voodoo. I plan on keeping this blood around my yard thats for sure.

have you taken a look at andy capps dam?
penny sue,...

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=143

now tell me, does that look like the OP's link? hmmm.... hmmm????

and also wasnt GRCH andy capp ROM a conformation champion too?? HMMm.....hmmm?? does that fact take anything away from him? no.

heres another.... double bred grandson to VOODOO.,.... who is a CHAMPION adba dog. gettin close to ace title too ;)

doesnt look like a boyles dog? ... if im not mistaken, he looks exactly like dirty mary.

and hes a whole lotta dog to handle.

and as far as boyles dogs not being spotted? lmao... get this one wet and hes got nice big ol' freckles. ill bet you dirty mary did too.

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/211-1.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/841.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/846.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/136-1.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/5032137690_72bac3f3f8_b.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/5030700123_e44bfa47f2_b.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/5023131943_1152357e64_b.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/5019683646_5d7ba98e6f_b.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/040-2.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/041.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/37612_10150223119475442_873170441_1.jpg



unless u have personal experience you should shut ur pie hole.


nahhhh

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/178.jpg

Dream Pits
02-11-2011, 04:33 AM
most the dogs i have seen are from the WCC strain and based on that i agree with BenTheres post. The thing people have to realize and the same blood will look alot different from yard to yard so everyones experience with a line is prob a little different.

CaesarIsis
02-11-2011, 06:47 AM
and as far as boyles dogs not being spotted? lmao... get this one wet and hes got nice big ol' freckles. ill bet you dirty mary did too.


The thing people have to realize and the same blood will look alot different from yard to yard so everyones experience with a line is prob a little different.

A pup i got out of a boyles/jeep/rasc litter down through mnt mans stuff is brindle/white and has a couple black freckles

ReleaseTheHounds
02-11-2011, 09:01 AM
I have to agree that the body type was not what I was expecting when I read Boyles blood and clicked on the ped link.

I know that isn't really a great contribution to tell your friend or anything, I was just really thrown off by how different the body was than I typically relate to Boyles dogs.

I don't agree with people saying they think the color or markings are unusual for the blood though...

ReleaseTheHounds
02-11-2011, 09:04 AM
Diggit - I think your dog has a totally different body than the dog linked, I think I usually associate Boyles with a sturdy looking dog, thicker than the dog linked in the original post - and I don't mean sturdy or thick in a bad way or anything relating to bully bullshit, I mean it in a good way. Your dog's body type fits with what I would expect to see when I hear Boyles.

benthere
02-11-2011, 09:32 AM
unless u have personal experience you should shut ur pie hole.


nahhhh


I have personal experience....with a lot more than just 1 dog from the line.

Rock n Rye
02-11-2011, 09:40 AM
Just a quick reference people get lost when they call dogs "Boyles" dogs.. Boyles is the man the imporant consideration is or least should be the blood in the dog.. He bred his game but average Hank/ red baby bitch to the Eli dogs to get some power and mouth.. RB line bred Dirty Mary which alot of stuff came from the Bobby/DM breeding.. Bobby is almost a 3/4 bolio dog.. Andy Capp is another who gets thrown into that Boyles dog and he also wasn't he was a 50% bolio dog.. Boyles linebred Hank x Bolio and Eli x Bolio the Queen nd littermates were made from Bolio x Boomerang.. Also he did not breed Bobby to Ready.. All he did was go pick up a pup.. The gentleman who made the breeding had a few string of bad events that is why WCC got Spank TBoy and Mavis(who was an outstanding bitch).. I have bought several from RB had great success with some and have peers who also had great success with them.. Chasing his name will leave you chasing forever.. It's the dogs who deserve the credit..

muaythai901
02-11-2011, 09:42 AM
Some of the things I hear on this site crack me up. The looks in his eyes, what would that have to do w/ him standing the line? Hell he looks like he's embarrased, kind of like a kid who has to take a pic w/ his aunt in sunday school clothes being forced to smile.

ben brockton
02-11-2011, 10:28 AM
"eyes are a window to the soul" im pretty sure yall herd that saying? just as in people dogs are no different. if you ever spent any time in the "bing" you will notice a punks eyes are different from a killer's eyes. that's not saying you won't get stuck in the back by the punk & the killer may give you a pass. lots of dogman take notice of eyes when looking at a prospect. is it 100% accurate no but it does play a roll.

green machine
02-11-2011, 10:30 AM
lol, looks i guess can be decieving, cause he is definately a confident dog and has no problems showing his ass. lol

Rock n Rye
02-11-2011, 10:38 AM
I seen plenty dogs look confused or be skiddish place a hound near him and then see if that look changes.. Had a bitch who wanted nothin to do with being rubbed or anything and even thought the bitch was depressed til she came of age and while walking a trail by the river got to see a hound and she went from depressed looking for a bridge with no water to oh yea baby time to ride the bike.. Place something around him and see how his look is..

Rock n Rye
02-11-2011, 10:40 AM
First off Milman's stuff looks nothing like Ronald's dogs. He will tell you the exact same thing. I know the line pretty good, and I have said for years that them rednosed, white, and cow patched dogs were suspect to me. I have seen solid white dogs with plum rednoses pop up off of Milkman's stock, give Ron a call and ask him how many white dogs he has popping up over there. I have never even seen a specked boyles type dog. I have bred these dogs for a while, and i pretty much only see black, buckskin, and red with blk noses. I see differsnt shades of any of those 3 colors, some with markings and some without. That dog does have that look in his eye if you ask me. It's not the look of a confident dog. Body language tells a great deal.

I'll take a buckskin or black.. Font send me nothing red nosed or ima think you Bobby Hall'd me...lol

Texican
02-11-2011, 10:41 AM
The Dog in My Avatar is Down Off some Boyles Blood a lil ways Back In the Ped....He is Off CH Boyles Bolt Action....I Think He resembles what is a Boyles Dog.....But that is My Opinion

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/166816_189124741110604_100000392373502_536949_7343 409_n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=436060&id=100000392373502)

Texican
02-11-2011, 10:43 AM
I seen plenty dogs look confused or be skiddish place a hound near him and then see if that look changes.. Had a bitch who wanted nothin to do with being rubbed or anything and even thought the bitch was depressed til she came of age and while walking a trail by the river got to see a hound and she went from depressed looking for a bridge with no water to oh yea baby time to ride the bike.. Place something around him and see how his look is..


My dog is the same way....Right there in the pic he tryna get to a dog ....lol

benthere
02-11-2011, 10:48 AM
"speaking from PERSONAL experience,... I love my double bred grandson to ch. voodoo. I plan on keeping this blood around my yard thats for sure"

I'm glad the voodoo dogs are working out for you in show and weightpull. voodoo was a notoriously poor producer of gamedogs

green machine
02-11-2011, 10:54 AM
I seen plenty dogs look confused or be skiddish place a hound near him and then see if that look changes.. Had Place something around him and see how his look is..


This is very true. Let me see if I can dig up a couple pics of this dog at a show.

benthere
02-11-2011, 10:58 AM
The Dog in My Avatar is Down Off some Boyles Blood a lil ways Back In the Ped....He is Off CH Boyles Bolt Action....I Think He resembles what is a Boyles Dog.....But that is My Opinion

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/166816_189124741110604_100000392373502_536949_7343 409_n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=436060&id=100000392373502)

nice lookin' dog.
pedigree???

Texican
02-11-2011, 11:10 AM
nice lookin' dog.
pedigree???

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=382236


lemme know what you think.

jumper3202
02-11-2011, 12:23 PM
U can look into therr eyes n tell huh??? Wow heard it all now...

drz
02-11-2011, 12:26 PM
the look in his eye tells me he'd rather stand than go when push comes to shove. he also lacks good bone in my opinion.
take a good look at the picture of Spanky and then look at this dog.
if you can't see any difference you need to get a hold of shank greedwood, I hear he's looking for a couple of new judges.

The look in his eyes? From one picture? And this thread jumps the shark.

The original poster put up a dog that does look like a dog down from Dirty Mary. Who was a pretty key component in many of the dogs Boyles bred. I do agree that thick black dogs were more common coming from Boyles himself.

Dream Pits
02-11-2011, 02:48 PM
i think its a good thread, the OP asked for opinions and got them plus there is lots of info about the dogs and breeders that are associated with this "line".

green machine
02-11-2011, 02:52 PM
I agree, good thread. I can take the bad with the good, opinions are just that. and their appreciated.

Texican
02-11-2011, 02:57 PM
I am Learning More As it Comes.... Awesome Thread

killadev300
02-11-2011, 03:12 PM
nice lookin' dog.
pedigree???


nice looking dog and ped. Looks sturdy and strong. Is this the one who is skiddish? doesnt look it in that pic. Good luck with him

benthere
02-11-2011, 03:36 PM
As far as the look in the eyes go....no it is not 100%, but if you have been around enough great ones you realize that they tend to have a different look in their eye. In thoroughbred horse racing they call this "The look of Eagles".

benthere
02-11-2011, 03:37 PM
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=382236


lemme know what you think.

I am not familiar with the dogs in your dogs pedigree, so can't really comment on it.

diggit
02-11-2011, 03:55 PM
"speaking from PERSONAL experience,... I love my double bred grandson to ch. voodoo. I plan on keeping this blood around my yard thats for sure"

I'm glad the voodoo dogs are working out for you in show and weightpull. voodoo was a notoriously poor producer of working dogs


not from my experience.

its a good thing when people dont go out there glorifying titles... maybe some people should fallow the lead...

and shut...zee...pie... hole... keep ur shit to yourself.

good idea?

now what your saying is funny again,...

voodoo "producing"...

it also matters on what he was bred to.
his grand babies are doing real good in anything.

only reason why I piped up to begin with is because I KNOW for a fact my dog is super intense.

and maybe he is "thicker" then the OP's link because hes 1/4 jeep? and 1/4 alligator? hmmm....

funny how you pick just a few lines out of my rant, stop trying to keep ur head afloat fishie... your gunna get flushed.

diggit
02-11-2011, 03:58 PM
if voodoo has a pedigree dispute why is he DNA-p???

and why is he consistantly throughing pups that look like his sire?

bunch of BS.

Rock n Rye
02-11-2011, 04:08 PM
As far as the look in the eyes go....no it is not 100%, but if you have been around enough great ones you realize that they tend to have a different look in their eye. In thoroughbred horse racing they call this "The look of Eagles".

A man that enjoys horses along with dogs is a knowledgable man.. I Agree Q o H, Tornado, Zebo, Jeremiah, Mau Mau Miles Davis, Grch Art, Jeremiah and list of others had that wild eye look.. I personally ain't achieve that ace of those standards but have seen a great one.. I like my hounds to be confident no matter the circumstance but some dogs give you a great feeling.. If anybody ever seen Saigon he has that same feel if you look at him.. Good friend of mine sees him often (lucky bastard) and calls me to let me know how great life is..lol

Rock n Rye
02-11-2011, 04:10 PM
Was Voodoo parents DNA-p? If not then it means nothing to anything besides his offspring. I believe the camp who owned him later came to admit how he was bred different.. I heard his offspring were low percentage but that they were producing good hounds

Congoman
02-11-2011, 04:29 PM
Looks like this animal is built for the show ring. It's not really built for rugged field show. I really think they've gotten away from the line as in the type of animal this line is bred to be. I see the look in the eye of the animal that everyone else is talking about. I've seen skittish animals still have a great confident look in their eye. I haven't seen this animal live so I won't judge it. But from what I see this is not an animal I would think is a good canidate to be bred unless you breed it to a family of dogs that have a great bone structure.

Arizona_GameTime
02-11-2011, 04:38 PM
This is part of where the white is coming down from!

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=72

Lol...I was just about to post her ped n say the same thing.

ChDynomite
02-11-2011, 05:28 PM
if voodoo has a pedigree dispute why is he DNA-p???

and why is he consistantly throughing pups that look like his sire?

bunch of BS. unless parents were DNA it aint worth a shit. All it means is that all the offspring off of Voodoo can be checked to see if they are off of him. As fare as Vodoo producing< take if from people that actually know what they are talking about when it comes to working dogs! He was a very very poor producer and his kids arent producing that well either. Some produce OK!. You cant say a dog is a great producer unless you physically have seen good working dogs off him or the line in pure form for your own eyes. He did throw some pretty dogs:D

Rock n Rye
02-11-2011, 07:32 PM
The reason people see "Boyles" dogs mostly black thick dogs is because he bred most of his dogs around Bobby Jr who was a thick built dog.. I'm not tryna pry or create rumor this is a serious question.. I remember when Pat had them Bullyson n eli Jr dogs that he was breeding and then cake bolio tombstone stock but he still had some Eli.. Whatever happened to them Eli dogs??

rallyracer
02-11-2011, 07:39 PM
with a few exceptions most conformation judges don't even know what a gamedog looks or acts like. over the last few years the quality of dogs shown in the ADBA has become embarassing. look at the recent gazettes and the dogs that are making champion, they look nothing like gamedogs. the ADBA is creating a whole new type just like the bully breeders are doing, the only difference is one is fat and short the other is skinny and tall.

whats funny is that i just looked back at some gamedogs from 50 years ago in the YF&M yearbook volume 8 jan-dec 1960. and all the dogs pictured working were of a very similar look to the dog the OP posted.

as far as acting? does a "gamedog" have to ~show its ass~ in the show ring to be considered "real"? if a dog doesnt, what does that mean? ... absolutely nothing.
as far as "quality of dogs shown in the ADBA" -have you been to a show, or are you just going by whats pictured in the gazette? if you have been to a show then you realize the fault in your statement...there are many different flavors being shown these days.

rallyracer
02-11-2011, 07:51 PM
and let me clarify something- i dont consider many of these dogs "boyles" dogs, but moreso ~boyles~ dogs.

sure, they may be heavy on "boyles" dogs, but they arent directly "boyles" dogs

example....
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=301858
not a "boyles" dog, nor a "BST" dog, but heavy on both.

benthere
02-11-2011, 08:11 PM
and let me clarify something- i dont consider many of these dogs "boyles" dogs, but moreso ~boyles~ dogs.

sure, they may be heavy on "boyles" dogs, but they arent directly "boyles" dogs

example....
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=301858
not a "boyles" dog, nor a "BST" dog, but heavy on both.

do you even know BST and why are you throwing his name around??

benthere
02-11-2011, 08:12 PM
whats funny is that i just looked back at some gamedogs from 50 years ago in the YF&M yearbook volume 8 jan-dec 1960. and all the dogs pictured working were of a very similar look to the dog the OP posted.

as far as acting? does a "gamedog" have to ~show its ass~ in the show ring to be considered "real"? if a dog doesnt, what does that mean? ... absolutely nothing.
as far as "quality of dogs shown in the ADBA" -have you been to a show, or are you just going by whats pictured in the gazette? if you have been to a show then you realize the fault in your statement...there are many different flavors being shown these days.

Did you run an ADBA club for the last 15-20 years?
I assure you the dogs are not the same as they used to be.

QUICKFIRE
02-11-2011, 10:12 PM
I have been dealing with performance dogs for the past 8 years and I can see the shy skittish look that everyone is speaking of in this post and I have seen the dog in person and he is shy and acts a bit spooky so to speak. However as far as game goes I have no clue about that. I have a little Jack Russell bitch that is real spooky aroung strangers but she will whoop the rest of my Jack russell's real quick. I personally do not like working with shy or spooky dogs you never know when the pressure is going to get to them and they are going to curr up on you. Just my 2 cents.

QUICKFIRE
02-11-2011, 10:20 PM
This is my boy Tug I have no clue who Boyles is or what a Bolyles dog is suppose to look like. I have been researching Pitbull pedigrees for a short time and when I study tugs pedigree I thought the white head probably came from Dirty Mary. Allot of the dogs in FL from that line have white heads. Here is a link to his Pedigree and Picture of his father that I was told was from all Boyles dogs. ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [119481] :: GHK'S JECKAL (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=119481)

preme
02-11-2011, 10:28 PM
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/customavatars/avatar10725_19.gif


heres that look ben i know wat your talking about i get that responce to when i say i look them inthere eyes to see that firer always thought it was just me , im sure it probably means nothing in the grand scheme of things but its a pleasure to see that look of ready ..

Cynthia
02-11-2011, 10:38 PM
GHK LMAO :dogdrink:

NobleKnls
02-11-2011, 10:50 PM
I agree with Ben. The "Eye of the Tiger" isn't just a song. There is no way of knowing, but I have noticed that when they are looking through there opponent that is exactly where they plan on going. You don't know until you know, everything else is just an opinion.
You show dog people can not compare a fiery dog to a proven bulldog. U just can't unless that dog has been there. Alot of dogs prove to not be true to the standard at the end of the day. The difference b/w Queen Of H and the dogs in the conformation ring is simple she walked the walk. Your dogs may just be talking the talk. I go to conformation shows sometimes, so you can't stereotype people. Some of the best dogs I have owned wouldn't have gotten a second look out there. Its something fun to do, but it has very little to do with the standards that created this breed of working dog.
Yall are comparing Model Race cars to Nascar race cars. Looks don't mean diddly, its whats under the hood not how pretty or how loud your motor is. Or, Models to Porn Stars... Keep the models and give me the profesional workers...:D
Basically, yall are comparing apples to oranges...:dogdrink:

diggit
02-11-2011, 11:08 PM
how else could voodoo be bred if hes consistantly throughing dogs who look like dirty mary and andy capp and nitro (his sire) and penny sue? and his offspring and there offspring,.. the voodoo dogs are extremly consistant!

they ALL look alike. there is always going to be some sore ass spreading rumors that a pedigree is not true.

I have worked with and spent a lot of quality time with many of his grand kids.

they ARE out there. otherwise I dont see why so many people keep the blood and keep going back for more.

again just because you cant "read" whats on the net because people are not "putting it out there" doesnt mean they are not out there ;)

Rock n Rye
02-11-2011, 11:27 PM
His sire not the suspect it's his mom that the breeder was saying is not bred that way.. He can throw dogs that look like his sire his top side is at said or tighter.. The dam is the one the breeder nd owner was shouting out was a scatter bred bitch..

chainbound
02-12-2011, 12:27 AM
my friends pup
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=354583

rallyracer
02-12-2011, 06:01 AM
do you even know BST and why are you throwing his name around??


i swear sometimes you have the comprehension level of Pit #5


the dog posted is my dog

rallyracer
02-12-2011, 06:03 AM
Did you run an ADBA club for the last 15-20 years?
I assure you the dogs are not the same as they used to be.


run a club? no, but have attended ADBA shows for the past 20 years.
the only difference, by and large, is the blue dogs and more bully types showing up
as i stated earlier, you get several different types at these shows, and have for years.

Rock n Rye
02-12-2011, 08:07 AM
and let me clarify something- i dont consider many of these dogs "boyles" dogs, but moreso ~boyles~ dogs.

sure, they may be heavy on "boyles" dogs, but they arent directly "boyles" dogs

example....
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=301858
not a "boyles" dog, nor a "BST" dog, but heavy on both.


i swear sometimes you have the comprehension level of Pit #5


the dog posted is my dog

I think his question was do you know BST personally? I had a few Dirty Jersey dogs before I knew J and I had a few Bullyson dogs before I knew B or F.. So I think his question was do you know BST personally.. I don't think he was being offensive and I'm not jumping on you but before the thread goes to hell maybe we can keep it positive.. Some good posts so far?

green machine
02-12-2011, 08:09 AM
I have been dealing with performance dogs for the past 8 years and I can see the shy skittish look that everyone is speaking of in this post and I have seen the dog in person and he is shy and acts a bit spooky so to speak. However as far as game goes I have no clue about that. I have a little Jack Russell bitch that is real spooky aroung strangers but she will whoop the rest of my Jack russell's real quick. I personally do not like working with shy or spooky dogs you never know when the pressure is going to get to them and they are going to curr up on you. Just my 2 cents.


Quickfire...I will have to disagree with you on this one man, I dont see the shy skittish or spookyness you say you see when you see him. Everytime I see this dog at the show he seemed confident to me.

Rock n Rye
02-12-2011, 08:12 AM
Oh and your dog ped to my eyes look like heavy Bolio with Eli and Hank.. Nice bred dog how is sire producing?

benthere
02-12-2011, 08:14 AM
I think his question was do you know BST personally? I had a few Dirty Jersey dogs before I knew J and I had a few Bullyson dogs before I knew B or F.. So I think his question was do you know BST personally.. I don't think he was being offensive and I'm not jumping on you but before the thread goes to hell maybe we can keep it positive.. Some good posts so far?

I think you've got better "reading comprehension" than RR.

D Game Butcher
02-12-2011, 08:29 AM
Yall have posted so much ridiculous shit in this thread its retarded. Milkman's stuff is fire down from hitman especially. Anyway this is one I got from ronald not to long ago, and shes a beast with lungs out of this world.
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [380240] :: D.BUTCHER'S SUGAR (http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=380240)

D Game Butcher
02-12-2011, 08:32 AM
This tends to be what ronalds dogs typically look like as far as markings go.

rallyracer
02-12-2011, 08:46 AM
I think you've got better "reading comprehension" than RR.


do you even know BST and why are you throwing his name around??


reading comprehension what? if you have another question then ask it directly, dont beat around the bush.
let me spell it out for you- i posted a dog that many people call a "boyles" dog based on the dogs in his pedigree. the dog is one i personally own. read the post again- im not "throwing his name around". its not making mention of anyone knowing anyone in particular-its about dogs bred from one group or person being lumped into one particular group...i.e. "boyles" in this case. if you had been paying attention you would have seen the point, but it was clearly missed.

rallyracer
02-12-2011, 08:49 AM
Oh and your dog ped to my eyes look like heavy Bolio with Eli and Hank.. Nice bred dog how is sire producing?


and yes, this is how i break down the blood aswell.
good things have come from Ivan

Rock n Rye
02-12-2011, 08:49 AM
The dog looks like a few of the dogs behind it with a sort of Andy Capp look who was RB favorite dog.. Does anybody use or has anybody tried the Andy Capp stuff thru HPK

Rock n Rye
02-12-2011, 08:53 AM
This tends to be what ronalds dogs typically look like as far as markings go.

Looks like his favorite dog Andy Capp

QUICKFIRE
02-12-2011, 01:21 PM
Andy Capp was a gorgeous dog IMO

preme
02-12-2011, 05:00 PM
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/albums/thumbs//8/4e2ac4bb5dc0e48c3a06f8eb2cb3a5f2_8797.jpg?dl=12975 48002

D Game Butcher
02-13-2011, 09:37 AM
Gorilla the more you talk, the more I realize you know nothing except what you've learned from the computer. Realize your in the presence of men before you open your mouth. The dog came from Ronald. If you knew what you were talking bout you'd know the only breeding kow girl has done off ronalds yard was to hancock. Just kick back and keep learning greenhorn Lol @ u.

Rock n Rye
02-13-2011, 10:07 AM
D Game I assure you Gorilla is no greenie bro... A good gentleman with worlds of knowledge just doesn't like the milkman stuff..

D Game Butcher
02-13-2011, 11:33 AM
Yeah I know where she's at also, just letting you know, I also heard Ronald say he probably shouldn't have sold that dog. As far as the hit man shit maybe you haven't seen any but I know dog men who have a couple on there yards. People that I go to to get dogs.

john396
02-13-2011, 04:45 PM
I have a male off of ch.jethro look just like that. How does you feel about the ch.jethro dogs?

Boze
02-13-2011, 05:40 PM
the look in his eye tells me he'd rather stand than go when push comes to shove. he also lacks good bone in my opinion.
take a good look at the picture of Spanky and then look at this dog.
if you can't see any difference you need to get a hold of shank greedwood, I hear he's looking for a couple of new judges.

the way a dog looks in his eyes when standing for a picture certainly have nothing to do with a dogs desire to stand or go

john396
02-13-2011, 06:39 PM
the way a dog looks in his eyes when standing for a picture certainly have nothing to do with a dogs desire to stand or go
yeah you are right about the look in the eyes. It don't mean nothin. He might just be people shy.

cutt
02-13-2011, 07:36 PM
what if the dog was cockeyed? lol , Id rather care for the look in the eyes after the fact....

AfroSamurai
02-13-2011, 08:24 PM
what if the dog was cockeyed? lol , Id rather care for the look in the eyes after the fact....
that's a great question!!!

Xibalba
02-14-2011, 06:56 AM
was just searching some nice boyles (bolio) dogs on my side of the planet LMAO :D
These 2 got my eye...

APBT ONLINE PEDIGREES (http://apbtpedigrees.com/printpedigree/out.php?recordID=63704)

APBT ONLINE PEDIGREES (http://www.apbtpedigrees.com/printpedigree/out.php?recordID=67852)

Kristi
02-14-2011, 10:02 AM
I like those 2 Xibalba

green machine
02-14-2011, 07:03 PM
here is a better picture of him also.

12270

Rock n Rye
02-15-2011, 06:39 AM
here is a better picture of him also.

12270

Looks more confident

Xibalba
02-15-2011, 07:07 AM
I like those 2 Xibalba

yeah always nice for see that there are still some good ones on this side with this blood,
always wanted to import outta the US like i did in the past, but i think will contact this guy for look what's up :D

green machine
02-15-2011, 08:50 AM
Looks more confident


I agree, hes a confident dog, I dont know why he used that picture for his ped. Its not the best picture of him.

Xibalba
02-15-2011, 09:25 AM
here is a better picture of him also.

12270

This dog looks like a clone of the little brother of my bitch !!
Nice looking dog!

benthere
02-15-2011, 09:47 AM
here is a better picture of him also.

12270
he looks like a dog that would do well at ADBA shows but lacks the bone for real competition.

he looks like a whippet compared to this:
http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/HarajukuLuvr/?action=view&current=capp.jpg

Rock n Rye
02-15-2011, 09:51 AM
he looks like a dog that would do well at ADBA shows but lacks the bone for real competition.

he looks like a whippet compared to this:
http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/HarajukuLuvr/?action=view&current=capp.jpg

I agree doesn't have great or anywhere near same structure of Andy

benthere
02-15-2011, 10:16 AM
I agree doesn't have great or anywhere near same structure of Andy

andy capp wouldn't even get a ribbon at today's ADBA shows.

green machine
02-15-2011, 10:30 AM
I do agree that his bone structure is a bit small compared to some I see down in his ped. I just wanted to show a better picture of him, because the origional picture many said he looks skiddish and shy and he definately isnt.

Rock n Rye
02-15-2011, 11:10 AM
Naw the Ribbons Capp would get wouldn't be from ADBA

ben brockton
02-15-2011, 11:18 AM
we talking about dog show trophies lol. that stuff is opinion based like all other judged events. these dog show are the equivalent to ms.america or a body building comp.

Dream Pits
02-15-2011, 11:51 AM
which is why i dont take it seriously. its nice to chat with other dog people and see some nice dogs but as far as the actual contest, its more of a rec thing for me.

green machine
02-23-2011, 09:04 PM
heres a couple pictures of the OP dog in the ped, hes less than shy and skiddish next to another dog.

12311

12312

dolemite
02-23-2011, 09:12 PM
I asked an old time Dog Man once...What if you crossed Some Eli with some of the Pat Patrick stuff..He laughed and said.."I THINK YOU CALL THEM BOYLES DOGS"..:D

PleaseReguardMe
02-23-2011, 09:37 PM
he looks like a dog that would do well at ADBA shows but lacks the bone for real competition.
I couldn't disagree more, that dog looks great and his build reminds me of this grand champion who was dog of the year 2 deifferent years and dog of the decade. That dog looks better than Capp not worse in my opinion. Andy was a little too over done for my taste build wise but as a bulldog he was sporty without question.


http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/virgil(1).jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:history.back(1))http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/2virgil.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:history.back(1))
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/2gambler%20gr%20ch%20virgil.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:history.back(1))



http://www.game-dog.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12270

Congoman
02-23-2011, 10:12 PM
There's absolutely no way I would take an animal built like this over an animal with Capp's structure and build. You need that rugged muscular structure.

PleaseReguardMe
02-23-2011, 10:49 PM
You need that rugged muscular structure.

No you absolutely do not need that "rugged" structure. It may not hurt any but you certainly do not "need" it. These well known greats support the fact the you don't need a heavy framed or heavy boned animal.

There are many more but here's some well known greats that are correctly build apbt's.........

Ch.Jeep
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/jeep.jpg (javascript:history.back(1))

Ch.Homer
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/3%20ch%20homer%20rom.jpg (javascript:history.back(1))

Gr.Ch.Art
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/1art.jpg (javascript:history.back(1))

Ch.Chinaman
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/1chchinamanrom.jpg (javascript:history.back(1))

Gr.Ch.Midnight
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/midnight(1).jpg (javascript:history.back(1))

Gr.Ch.Miss Rage
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/johnson_gr_ch_miss_rage.jpg (javascript:history.back(1))

Congoman
02-23-2011, 11:05 PM
You're are right it's not a requirement but it sure helps. You do have to have an extremely athletic animal be it heavy structure. A lot of people breed for different traits and that's what makes these animals special. I personally like an athletic, thick structured, smart, intense worker.

PleaseReguardMe
02-23-2011, 11:46 PM
You're are right it's not a requirement but it sure helps. You do have to have an extremely athletic animal be it heavy structure. A lot of people breed for different traits and that's what makes these animals special. I personally like an athletic, thick structured, smart, intense worker. There it is, you like thick structure. Thats fine and there isn't anything wrong with liking what you like. I personally never saw an athletic dog that had a thick structure too.


I know nothing at all about this animal other than its structure and build are perfect for a performance apbt and thats coming from someone who doesn't even care for Ronald Boyles bred dogs.
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12270

Congoman
02-23-2011, 11:54 PM
There it is, you like thick structure. Thats fine and there isn't anything wrong with liking what you like. I personally never saw an athletic dog that had a thick structure too.


I know nothing at all about this animal other than its structure and build are perfect for a performance apbt and thats coming from someone who doesn't even care for Ronald Boyles bred dogs.
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12270

That's a key a lot of people don't think you can get thick structured athletic animals. They are out there. And they really are hard to beat. I'll post a pic of a 41lb female I've got that is 5 weeks post pups. And she's extremely athletic.

PleaseReguardMe
02-24-2011, 12:17 AM
That's a key a lot of people don't think you can get thick structured athletic animals.

I think someone did a photo shop edit and streched that other photo of Andy Capp because this is him in a perfect picture as a young dog and he looks nothing like that other picture.


http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/23gr_ch_andy_capp.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:history.back(1))

benthere
02-24-2011, 07:53 AM
There it is, you like thick structure. Thats fine and there isn't anything wrong with liking what you like. I personally never saw an athletic dog that had a thick structure too.


I know nothing at all about this animal other than its structure and build are perfect for a performance apbt and thats coming from someone who doesn't even care for Ronald Boyles bred dogs.
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12270

that dog has good 'show conformation' and little more. the dog lacks the bone it needs to win multiple contests against real bulldogs.

preme
02-24-2011, 08:16 AM
good bulldogs cum in all shape and sizes ..

wardogkennels
02-24-2011, 08:52 AM
good bulldogs cum in all shape and sizes ..

I agree.:)

benthere
02-24-2011, 09:34 AM
good bulldogs cum in all shape and sizes ..

yes they do, but there are strong dogs and weak dogs, a weak dog may make a good show dog but it won't go far in the real world.

PleaseReguardMe
02-24-2011, 12:44 PM
that dog has good 'show conformation' and little more. the dog lacks the bone it needs to win multiple contests against real bulldogs. No he does not, your wrong. You may not like the build but to say his build lacks what it takes to be victorious is just plain not true. I will attach six other dogs built just like the one you think couldn't possibly make it happen to back up what I just said. Meaning I made a statement and backed it up with photos of well known animals supporting what I said. If after that you still disagree after seeing side by side photo's then its you arguing history which is pretty hard to do since its already happened making it history.

Gr.Ch.Virgil is built just like the dog in question and maybe even a bit lighter built yet.
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/2gambler%20gr%20ch%20virgil.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:history.back(1))

Gr.Ch.Midnight
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/midnight(1).jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:history.back(1))

Gr.Ch.Miss Rage
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/johnson_gr_ch_miss_rage.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:history.back(1))

Ch.Chinaman
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/1chchinamanrom.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:history.back(1))

Ch.Homer
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/3%20ch%20homer%20rom.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:history.back(1))

Ch.Jeep
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/jeep.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:history.back(1))

And lastly the dog in question thats build just about the same as all these that made it happen.
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12270

benthere
02-24-2011, 06:35 PM
you think that dog is built like jeep or midnight!!!!!!????
go back to your stratton book and read some more. you got alot to learn.

PleaseReguardMe
02-24-2011, 08:16 PM
you think that dog is built like jeep or midnight!!!!!!????
go back to your stratton book and read some more. you got alot to learn.You keep missing the point entirely. NO I do not think they are built exactly the same. I think all the dogs I mentioned or posted a photo of are a "lighter framed" animal thats what they have in common, not that they were all the same height or length, head shape or anything like that only lighter framed animals nothing more. My only point is a lighter framed animal can and has done well proving you don't have to be thickly structured.

deadgam33
02-24-2011, 10:25 PM
I get what u mean and yes virgil was a little boned dog but had a hell of a mouth and did get his leg broken but he still did his thing.

PleaseReguardMe
02-24-2011, 10:31 PM
I get what u mean and yes virgil was a little boned dog but had a hell of a mouth and did get his leg broken but he still did his thing. Exactly and the dog that did it was a big heavy boned thick bodied dog and he paid the ultimate price and the lighter boned dog went on and beat 2 more champions and one of those was another thickly boned dog named Ch.Dingo.

Dream Pits
02-24-2011, 10:33 PM
i look at it like this. You have the slender super athletic basketball players and you have the muscular powerful players. And then you have LeBron who is the biggest and the most athletic. There are advantages to both but i'm with Congo about trying to get the best of both worlds

Sampson1
02-24-2011, 10:42 PM
Or you have Anderson Silva who is damn near untouchable. Not a thickly built dude who makes big boned strong guys look like children.

Dream Pits
02-24-2011, 10:48 PM
Or you have Anderson Silva who is damn near untouchable. Not a thickly built dude who makes big boned strong guys look like children.
lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZifNbdjev8

Sampson1
02-24-2011, 10:56 PM
Now find a thick big boned fighter who hasnt ever lost. Actually find one other then maybe Fedor who hasnt got knocked the fuck out.
We can go round and round all day but its as simple as this. Big boned fighters bring certain things to the table lighter framed fighters bring other things to the table. Now decide which is best. Thick heavy bones are harder to break once caught But lighter bones are harder to catch.

Anybody ever heard of Ali?
Yeah I figured you did. lol

Sampson1
02-24-2011, 10:57 PM
Oh and Dream you may have misunderstood my other post. I clearly stated "damn near untouchable" LOL

deadgam33
02-24-2011, 11:01 PM
Im with please on this one. Plus i really rather have a not so thick dog super athletic.

kayo45
02-24-2011, 11:13 PM
lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZifNbdjev8
And how long ago was this fight again?

Dream Pits
02-25-2011, 12:04 AM
Oh and Dream you may have misunderstood my other post. I clearly stated "damn near untouchable" LOL
lmao, yeah bc he sure got touched that night
im just playin devils advocate tho to be a dick:D

Sampson1
02-25-2011, 12:50 AM
Lol yeah everybody's touchable.

rallyracer
02-25-2011, 07:01 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Background_brick_wall.jpg

BOCKennels
02-25-2011, 08:12 AM
I believe it pretty much boils down to being able to use the gifts genetics gave you.

Sure, a thick boned dog is more durable, but guess what he pretty much NEEDS to be, as he just is not going to be as light on his feet as a thinner boned dog.

A thinner boned dog is more athletic and can either be a larger dog at the same weight, or carry more muscle at the same weight.

Both types can and do win multiple shows. It's something like do you like a George Foreman, plodding in and going for it, or do you like a Floyd Mayweather, avoiding damage while dishing it out.

I prefer the Floyd Mayweather. Whatever the style you prefer, the body type should fit it.

For example, if you like the "in thick of things" just going for it driving bulldog, you want that thicker bone so he CAN take the punishement.

If you're looking for that slick "dancer" avoiding trouble, the thinner boned larger dog has the advantage for this style. He can move faster and he can stay out of reach better than the thicker dog, as he is bigger at the weight.

Gameness is the part of the equation that gets the thinner boned dog to the finish line should his durability get tested...

benthere
02-25-2011, 10:35 AM
I believe it pretty much boils down to being able to use the gifts genetics gave you.

Sure, a thick boned dog is more durable, but guess what he pretty much NEEDS to be, as he just is not going to be as light on his feet as a thinner boned dog.

A thinner boned dog is more athletic and can either be a larger dog at the same weight, or carry more muscle at the same weight.

Both types can and do win multiple shows. It's something like do you like a George Foreman, plodding in and going for it, or do you like a Floyd Mayweather, avoiding damage while dishing it out.

I prefer the Floyd Mayweather. Whatever the style you prefer, the body type should fit it.

For example, if you like the "in thick of things" just going for it driving bulldog, you want that thicker bone so he CAN take the punishement.

If you're looking for that slick "dancer" avoiding trouble, the thinner boned larger dog has the advantage for this style. He can move faster and he can stay out of reach better than the thicker dog, as he is bigger at the weight.

Gameness is the part of the equation that gets the thinner boned dog to the finish line should his durability get tested...

gameness won't help you when you are mortally wounded in the first few minutes of a contest.
the 'real world' wasn't an ADBA conformation show where the light boned skinny dogs take home the trophies.
a 'show dog' in the old days had to be tough AND light on his feet.
those of you who got your knowledge from ADBA dog shows, books and the internet will never get what it really took to make a bulldog that could win multiple times over top competition.
that is the reason i was criticizing the dog in the original post.
to most of you he looks to be the 'real deal' to me he looks like a shell of what a bulldog should be.
most of you don't (or more likely cannot) see what i see.

BOCKennels
02-25-2011, 11:10 AM
I've only ever been to like 2 or 3 adba shows, anmd I've never read any of the history books. So please enlighten us as to why all of the dogs posted above were light boned, and achieved greatness?

You have to put your mouth on something to "mortally wound" it, and the taller thinner boned dog, can put his mouth on the hog first, and ride him out.

I've seen dogs as thin boned as can be ride out a one hit killer hog without getting a tusk in them. It's much easier to do so with a thinner bone structure, as your faster. You can also be the stronger dog, less bone can equal more muscle at the same weight. IMO durability is second to athletic ability, you only need the first if you lack some of the second.

It's a matter of opinions and preferences, but to sit here and tell me that they CAN NOT win multiple, is pure balderdash. It may not be your preference, but your statements are NOT fact, just opinion.

rallyracer
02-25-2011, 11:16 AM
your statements are NOT fact, just opinion.


BOC, you will have greater success directing your comments to that brick wall...its a lost cause.

BOCKennels
02-25-2011, 11:21 AM
BOC, you will have greater success directing your comments to that brick wall...its a lost cause.
Ahhh, I'm bored at work today. Maybe banging my head against this brick wall will make the day go faster. :D

Congoman
02-25-2011, 11:31 AM
It all boils down to what you like. I like my animals thick like Andy Capp but they've got to be athletes. Also Chinaman doesn't really look all that small to me. He's just long which is cool with me and I do get a lot of animals built somewhat like him. Others want a really light built animal that is fast. I like my animals really fast too. Thing is when the light animal runs into rough terrain and gets himself in a bad spot gameness will only do so much.

BOCKennels
02-25-2011, 11:38 AM
Got another question...

Let me know how BONE STRUCTURE keeps you from getting MORTALY wounded?

Pretty sure a busted wheel aint a mortal wound, and with any type of MORTAL wound, I don't see where bone structure comes into play. Durable hide, sure that helps, but bone structure?

Thanks

BOC

benthere
02-25-2011, 12:34 PM
BOC, you will have greater success directing your comments to that brick wall...its a lost cause.

you're right. you'll never get it.

benthere
02-25-2011, 12:38 PM
There are few, and I mean very few dogs that can stay completely out of trouble. In the real world things are not so cut and dry as one dog is athletic and dances and stays out of trouble and another is a short winded driving thick dog. Most dogs are somewhere in the middle, but if you have to lean in one direction or the other it is better to lean to the durability side of things. Bone sturcture is very important because it goes hand in hand with musculature and that is what dictates durability or the lack thereof.

BOCKennels
02-25-2011, 01:00 PM
There are few, and I mean very few dogs that can stay completely out of trouble. In the real world things are not so cut and dry as one dog is athletic and dances and stays out of trouble and another is a short winded driving thick dog. Most dogs are somewhere in the middle, but if you have to lean in one direction or the other it is better to lean to the durability side of things. Bone sturcture is very important because it goes hand in hand with musculature and that is what dictates durability or the lack thereof. Besides one of the best hold out, stay out of trouble artists I know of was about 2 feet wide in the chest..lol.

Thanks for the response, but I do disagree with the part about bone structure going hand and hand with musculature, unless I'm misunderstanding what your saying. The most muscular dogs I've owned were thin boned, they can carry more muscle at the same weight.

I also agree that those dogs that can stay completely out of trouble are few and far between, but when ya got one, you got a world beater. I do know I've never seen a thick boned dog pull that off, the only ones I've seen pull it off WERE thin boned, quick and agile.

I don't believe you are the only one who lives in the "real world" as you put it. "Real world" references to thinner boned dogs who won multiple shows were given, you didn't address them.

You posted a black dog before on a thread similar to this, and I sure wouldn't have called that dog thick and durable. I liked how he was built, I can appreciate durability, but not to the point where those thick bones hinder athletic ability. The original point of the discussion was you saying a dog like the one pictured COULD NOT win multiple shows, and I very much disagree with that. Sure if he had to take a whooping in every show, you're probably noit seeing 5 out of that boy. Yet there were a whole bunch up above with similar bone structure, that sure did win 5...

Now how'd they do that??? It isn't possible according to you...;)

benthere
02-25-2011, 01:12 PM
Thanks for the response, but I do disagree with the part about bone structure going hand and hand with musculature, unless I'm misunderstanding what your saying. The most muscular dogs I've owned were thin boned, they can carry more muscle at the same weight.

I also agree that those dogs that can stay completely out of trouble are few and far between, but when ya got one, you got a world beater. I do know I've never seen a thick boned dog pull that off, the only ones I've seen pull it off WERE thin boned, quick and agile.

I don't believe you are the only one who lives in the "real world" as you put it. "Real world" references to thinner boned dogs who won multiple shows were given, you didn't address them.

You posted a black dog before on a thread similar to this, and I sure wouldn't have called that dog thick and durable. I liked how he was built, I can appreciate durability, but not to the point where those thick bones hinder athletic ability. The original point of the discussion was you saying a dog like the one pictured COULD NOT win multiple shows, and I very much disagree with that. Sure if he had to take a whooping in every show, you're probably noit seeing 5 out of that boy. Yet there were a whole bunch up above with similar bone structure, that sure did win 5...

Now how'd they do that??? It isn't possible according to you...;)

that black dog i posted was a very durable dog with good thick bone. he had a neck like a bull.
he was NOTHING like the first dog pictured in this thread.

BOCKennels
02-25-2011, 01:22 PM
I like a good strong neck myself, and all I was saying was I REALLY liked that black dog, but he didn't look too thick boned as I recall, but I could be quite wrong.

I'm not arguing that the original dog has perfect conformation, I'm specifically arguing that a dog MUST be thicker boned than he is to win multiple shows...

benthere
02-25-2011, 01:32 PM
I like a good strong neck myself, and all I was saying was I REALLY liked that black dog, but he didn't look too thick boned as I recall, but I could be quite wrong.

I'm not arguing that the original dog has perfect conformation, I'm specifically arguing that a dog MUST be thicker boned than he is to win multiple shows...

the photo didn't do him justice. he was ungodly strong.

benthere
02-25-2011, 01:33 PM
The problem with this discussion is pictures are deceiving. Jeep, Virgil, Midnight, Homer are in no way a fine boned dogs. Profile shots do not really tell you the thickness of a dogs structure. I am not arguing that a fine boned dog can't win, but rather it is the exception and a serious disadvantage. At this point I think we can agree to disagree.

BOCKennels
02-25-2011, 01:35 PM
The problem with this discussion is pictures are deceiving. Jeep, Virgil, Midnight, Homer are in no way a fine boned dogs. Profile shots do not really tell you the thickness of a dogs structure. I am not arguing that a fine boned dog can't win, but rather it is the exception and a serious disadvantage. At this point I think we can agree to disagree.

Fair enough... Thanks for the convo.

green machine
02-25-2011, 01:43 PM
good arguements on both sides, entertaining. but its funny how far off topic this thread has gone, I origionally asked how people felt on how the dog was bred. Not his conformation or bone structure. But I do appreciate everyones feedback.

ben brockton
02-25-2011, 01:44 PM
bone density has little to do with size. bigger is not always better in this case. bigger bone's = more muscle= bigger dog. more muscle expend more energy you can see where this is going ? to many factors involved to say one is better then others. shit take em how ya get em because they don't come easy.

Rock n Rye
02-25-2011, 02:12 PM
No you absolutely do not need that "rugged" structure. It may not hurt any but you certainly do not "need" it. These well known greats support the fact the you don't need a heavy framed or heavy boned animal.

There are many more but here's some well known greats that are correctly build apbt's.........

Ch.Jeep
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/jeep.jpg (javascript:history.back(1))

Ch.Homer
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/3%20ch%20homer%20rom.jpg (javascript:history.back(1))

Gr.Ch.Art
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/1art.jpg (javascript:history.back(1))

Ch.Chinaman
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/1chchinamanrom.jpg (javascript:history.back(1))

Gr.Ch.Midnight
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/midnight(1).jpg (javascript:history.back(1))

Gr.Ch.Miss Rage
http://www.antohinkennels.com/gallery/johnson_gr_ch_miss_rage.jpg (javascript:history.back(1))

Not sure about Art or Chinaman but I seen the other ones in person and all with the exception of Virgil were far from thin bone.. Virgil wasn't thin just thin for his weight but he possessed other tools that were equalizers like his intensity and his mouth he was also strong and a hard driver.. You can't tell in the pics but those other hounds had great body structure and were more thick bone.. Also had rough hydes...

Dream Pits
02-25-2011, 02:26 PM
good arguements on both sides, entertaining. but its funny how far off topic this thread has gone, I origionally asked how people felt on how the dog was bred. Not his conformation or bone structure. But I do appreciate everyones feedback.
some of my fav threads have gone off topic! as long as its good convo(which this is) i'm all for it.

green machine
02-25-2011, 02:28 PM
me too, its definately been really informative, I have enjoyed the bickering back and forth too lol

Buddy Red
02-25-2011, 03:13 PM
This male was breed by Milkman and he has some damn good bone structure and so does his offspring
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/260122.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=260122)

puppdlr
02-25-2011, 04:37 PM
One could ask a clear question,or clarify as soon as you feel the thread had strayed.
Sometimes the answers to both questions are the same.Weak looking dog ,some say. This gets some backs up and as far as either conformation or breeding/pedigree weak means weak.
Boyles dogs .or Dirty Mary and Queen lines when inbred or tight line bred sometimes end up ,after a few generations, as frail,and might need some new blood.
Those who value a durable dog show an understanding by the outcross in their peds.
Those who value a "tight ped" show nice neat little dogs in their pics,why show a pic when the? was about ped?



good arguements on both sides, entertaining. but its funny how far off topic this thread has gone, I origionally asked how people felt on how the dog was bred. Not his conformation or bone structure. But I do appreciate everyones feedback.

green machine
02-25-2011, 04:47 PM
if you go back to the origional post, i never posted a picture, just the ped. the picture they were all talking about was in the pedigree.


then, several pages in,when i did post a picture, it was in response to someones comment about the look of the dog being shy and skiddish.

mexdogman
02-25-2011, 09:46 PM
i have some back street stuff down my way. Also got a litter bred tight on the boyles bolio(ch. comanche) on top. Addison dudley ch. pandi on bottom. I have been very happy for some time with the comanche dogs out here on the west coast. Just started getting dogs from out east with addisons dudley and blood bonds lil dudley as the spice i want to add to my boyles bolio dogs.

Sampson1
02-26-2011, 08:07 PM
If anybody on this site is a horse fancier you may understand that width and or "Thickness" of bone has little to do with Density of their bones. Lets use the Arabian for example. The Arabian is THE horse used to add wind, speed, and bone DENSITY to other breeds of horses. Now if you've ever seen the Arabian you'll obviously think their frail do to the "thin" looking bones. But its been proven the Arabian has the most dense bones.

That being said the look of a dogs bones has absolutely nothing to do with how strong or dense they are. So the dog the o.p posted may or may not have tough dense bones. People are so quick to say this or that is or isnt black and white but fail to realize there the ones who are color blind. This is in no way aimed at any one poster.

therealjudge
02-27-2011, 12:26 PM
is that dog mace in yo face diggit?? Hey Benthere, you going to be in Sedalia this year??

MinorThreat
02-27-2011, 08:06 PM
boyles

<a href="http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/HarajukuLuvr/?action=view&amp;current=masonsbirthday100.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/HarajukuLuvr/masonsbirthday100.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

benthere
02-27-2011, 09:30 PM
Nope. Don't have any bulldogs anymore and don't want anything to do with the ADBA.


is that dog mace in yo face diggit?? Hey Benthere, you going to be in Sedalia this year??

poorfarmkennels
02-28-2011, 08:34 PM
dont trust pics on the net and weak/frail dogs are fucking common in the untested blood of that blonde dog

Copper
03-03-2011, 06:36 AM
A lot of topics concerning the so called Boyles-Line!

I have only one thing to add, THX Mike for being there when the right Female was bred to the right Male!

Grtzzzzz

PREACHER
03-16-2011, 08:21 AM
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/albums/thumbs//9/cfa99076d5f00d0487547480df5c45d3_9016.jpeg?dl=1300 179802 (http://www.game-dog.com/forums/album.php?albumid=269)

PREACHER
03-16-2011, 08:23 AM
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=384472

Rock n Rye
03-16-2011, 08:58 AM
i have some back street stuff down my way. Also got a litter bred tight on the boyles bolio(ch. comanche) on top. Addison dudley ch. pandi on bottom. I have been very happy for some time with the comanche dogs out here on the west coast. Just started getting dogs from out east with addisons dudley and blood bonds lil dudley as the spice i want to add to my boyles bolio dogs.

Dudley ROM was one if better producers of his time a damn good dog.. Lil Dudley should follow in his steps of they breed him right...

kingkong1
12-13-2011, 12:00 AM
WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER THIS $500 STUD AS?...http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=410967

Erie Outlawz
12-13-2011, 12:04 AM
I just spent along time going threw this thread there are some interesting opinions of how a dog should look and act to be a bulldawg in this thread lol. As far as what a boyles bred dog paper wise should look like this is my idea of a boyles dog and boyles didnt breed him:

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=116366

Erie Outlawz
12-13-2011, 12:06 AM
WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER THIS $500 STUD AS?...http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=410967

id consider him 3/4 backstreet truez 1/4 scatterbred

Naustroms
12-13-2011, 11:04 AM
good looking, well structured "boyles" bitch

http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/196264.jpg

Dream Pits
12-13-2011, 11:15 AM
i think the main point is that boyles dogs are known for their incredible durablity, moreso than most other lines. When u go to see a boyles dog the last thing u expect to see is a frail or fine boned dog.

Erie Outlawz
12-13-2011, 12:04 PM
good looking, well structured "boyles" bitch

http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/196264.jpg

Kinda got that dirty mary look to her hows she bred naustroms

Erie Outlawz
12-13-2011, 12:08 PM
i think the main point is that boyles dogs are known for their incredible durablity, moreso than most other lines. When u go to see a boyles dog the last thing u expect to see is a frail or fine boned dog.

Ya the funny thing is what they were arguein about is not on there anymore the pics are all gone and pedigrees have been changed since but i think alot of pics just dont do a dog justice especially older pics take ch paz jr hes got 2 pics on peds online i dont think they looked anything like him when i seen him he was beastly and the pics just dont show it

Boze
12-13-2011, 12:32 PM
The problem with this discussion is pictures are deceiving. Jeep, Virgil, Midnight, Homer are in no way a fine boned dogs. Profile shots do not really tell you the thickness of a dogs structure. I am not arguing that a fine boned dog can't win, but rather it is the exception and a serious disadvantage. At this point I think we can agree to disagree.
virgil was most definitely a fine boned dog and that is coming straight from the owners mouth his exact words were virg's only flaw was that he was thin boned,

benthere
12-13-2011, 01:16 PM
id consider him 3/4 backstreet truez 1/4 scatterbred

scatterbred true but the sassy bitch was a straight up killer. she was stompin' mudholes in alot of "better bred" dogs. the dog she was bred to ch superman quit so in my opinion sassy was a better dog than superman. if you look a little harder at sassy's ped you'll see the old boomerang blood from r. dockery that has stood the test of time. if you look at her maternal grandsire you see hobby house buddah, a very game durable winner and a notorious producer of some very good bulldogs. not the kind of thing you know if you get your information from the internet. only dogmen had that blood, it wasn't peddled or advertised. the far bottom is some old scatterbred dogs from the midwest, nothing special.
what i'm saying is its too easy to look at a pedigree and say "this is pure boyles" or "this one is pure BST" or "that is shit 'cause its outcrossed". i'm not impressed by "pure this or pure that" thats language for peddlers.

Naustroms
12-13-2011, 01:17 PM
Kinda got that dirty mary look to her hows she bred naustroms

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=196264

Erie Outlawz
12-13-2011, 01:45 PM
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=196264

lol ya i can see why she would have that queen of hearts look to her nice bred dog

benthere
12-13-2011, 01:48 PM
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=196264

nice bitch!!

williewonka1
12-13-2011, 02:14 PM
almost got a pup off her and grch sam jr. a while back. naus you own her?

Erie Outlawz
12-13-2011, 03:32 PM
lol ya i can see why she would have that queen of hearts look to her nice bred dog

sorry i ment dirty mary but she does have the queen in her alot too always wanted one off bull i mean dam 15 wins between the parents thats sick lol

ROCCITY
12-13-2011, 05:23 PM
Interesting thread. The epitome of a Boyles bred dog is SNIPER (below). Enjoy!

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/377107.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=377107)

ben brockton
12-13-2011, 09:00 PM
didn't super man die in his grch match?

benthere
12-13-2011, 10:11 PM
didn't super man die in his grch match?

he lost to KA.

Boze
12-13-2011, 11:19 PM
Interesting thread. The epitome of a Boyles bred dog is SNIPER (below). Enjoy!

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/377107.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=377107)

now thats a boyles dog for those that want to no hes one of the best out there

phill
12-14-2011, 10:58 AM
this is my idea of what a "Boyles dog" should look like.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=5372

he would not get a second look from a judge at an ADBA show these days. , ours to if spanky and back road were both alive at the time would they have been bred and if it were what would you say of a breeding like that ?? just board had that one on my mind for a while didn't know where to post it . and did backroad have sibblings not listed in the data bace ?

phill
12-14-2011, 11:02 AM
now thats a boyles dog for those that want to no hes one of the best out there we didn't have a name for a kitten we picked up at the rest stop in indana on our way back from the possum palace dog show in florida
and sniper has been on my mind for that weekend so we named her sniper and she's a mean animal

sos combine
12-16-2011, 08:58 PM
22919CH Barack "O" Boyles

phill
12-16-2011, 09:40 PM
thanks i feel better already

Naustroms
12-17-2011, 08:46 AM
thats a greeat pic if him

Xibalba
12-17-2011, 12:03 PM
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=196264

my friend owns this dog... very nice bitch, she stayed with me for awhile.. a reall sweetheart :)
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=222792

Sratch2win28
12-17-2011, 01:04 PM
he lost to KA.
Did KA use J.J or Willie Jr to lay Superman down?

phill
12-17-2011, 01:33 PM
thanks for that champ ribbon judge green

phill
12-17-2011, 02:01 PM
i was having trouble with him the day he champed out and a very good handler who did take him out to get that ribbon thanks so much it'll always be rembered

nfahred
12-17-2011, 04:29 PM
I thought this dog took him down. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=104905

D Game Butcher
12-18-2011, 10:01 AM
This bitch is 110% bulldog.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/224440.jpg (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=224440)

D Game Butcher
12-18-2011, 10:05 AM
These should prove worthy of feeding as well!!!

FISH GREASE (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Pedigrees&file=printPedigree&dog_id=411273)

datruth813
03-12-2012, 05:00 PM
anybody has ronald boyles number im here in florida and cnt find him tryna get me some boyles dogs thanks

ben brockton
03-12-2012, 07:27 PM
out of dogs & nothing left. you shouldn't have a problem finding that blood in FL.

bbad
03-12-2012, 11:13 PM
Here's a Boyles female. IMO ...would be as good of brood bitch as anyone would dream of owning. She has proven it with her offspring. What is mixed with the Boyles is a line we have run for 10 yrs. All the dogs in this Ped have EARNED the right to breed and be on this Ped.

<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="100%" bgColor=black align=center><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#e9e9e9>HTML CODE:</TD><TD bgColor=#f1f1f1>BBD/N2K'S CRAZY BITCH (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=378049)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


stratos

didn't see anyone post on this stran of boyles blood if you guys do deem it boyles. heard good things about it though, any opinions
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=371232
what you think about him?

BADDCLYDE
03-13-2012, 09:55 PM
didn't see anyone post on this stran of boyles blood if you guys do deem it boyles. Heard good things about it though, any opinions
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=public&file=printpedigree&dog_id=371232
what you think about him?



the reason is it was not peddled and kept in the circle of friends not many know much about it i like it that way some of my best dogs are off crazy

act284
03-14-2012, 03:15 AM
I love the T-Boy/T. Walker stuff

W-TOWN
03-14-2012, 08:02 PM
i have a good friend that has this dog, i was looking over the dogs ped, and wanted to ask the opinions of the folks here. What do you guys think?

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=public&file=printpedigree&dog_id=380132

am i wrong but i see a jeep/rascal mayday bred dog but you you guy's are having a boyles conversation i'm lost..

W-TOWN
03-16-2012, 05:41 PM
"speaking from PERSONAL experience,... I love my double bred grandson to ch. voodoo. I plan on keeping this blood around my yard thats for sure"

I'm glad the voodoo dogs are working out for you in show and weightpull. voodoo was a notoriously poor producer of gamedogs

i dont know ch voodoo's percentage as a producer but i know we have a game game son off him that's throwing fire in his pups, already have a ch off him and he's just started his stud career ,
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=277520
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=283980

hardtime
03-16-2012, 07:58 PM
i dont know ch voodoo's percentage as a producer but i know we have a game game son off him that's throwing fire in his pups, already have a ch off him and he's just started his stud career ,
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=277520
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=283980

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=10776 i like that on stubby i liked what i seen off him

benthere
03-16-2012, 09:31 PM
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=277520

This dog visually fits the profile of what I think of as a Boyles/Bolio dog to a T.

Hurstmob
03-17-2012, 02:20 AM
i dont know ch voodoo's percentage as a producer but i know we have a game game son off him that's throwing fire in his pups, already have a ch off him and he's just started his stud career ,
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=277520
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=283980

I like Stubby been thinking bout maybe breeding him to that JuggxKim dog in the future how them stubby/jugg breedings coming along.

The Saint
07-10-2012, 09:15 AM
wowie, lots of banter here.

the OP's post (pedigree) the bottom side is the exact same as my male's. and to say my male lacks anything a boyles dog should be makes me laugh a little.

as well as some of the posts about "conformation" dogs. look at the pedigree... now is that dog bred for conformation OR does he just happen to look nice enough to WIN?? makes me wonder what people think the adba standard is built on?....

speaking from PERSONAL experience,... I love my double bred grandson to ch. voodoo. I plan on keeping this blood around my yard thats for sure.

have you taken a look at andy capps dam?
penny sue,...

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=143

now tell me, does that look like the OP's link? hmmm.... hmmm????

and also wasnt GRCH andy capp ROM a conformation champion too?? HMMm.....hmmm?? does that fact take anything away from him? no.

heres another.... double bred grandson to VOODOO.,.... who is a CHAMPION adba dog. gettin close to ace title too ;)

doesnt look like a boyles dog? ... if im not mistaken, he looks exactly like dirty mary.

and hes a whole lotta dog to handle.

and as far as boyles dogs not being spotted? lmao... get this one wet and hes got nice big ol' freckles. ill bet you dirty mary did too.

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/211-1.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/841.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/846.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/136-1.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/5032137690_72bac3f3f8_b.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/5030700123_e44bfa47f2_b.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/5023131943_1152357e64_b.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/5019683646_5d7ba98e6f_b.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/040-2.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/041.jpg

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/37612_10150223119475442_873170441_1.jpg



unless u have personal experience you should shut ur pie hole.


nahhhh

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy298/bunnypit/178.jpg

Didnt you have some dogs off a dog which came from South Africa, named Pepper? He was down from a dog named Wahl's Buck Junior?

The Saint
07-10-2012, 09:24 AM
Some I bred close to a decade ago.
http://www.sa-apbt.co.za/base/details.php?id=75546&gens=6

Foundation
07-11-2012, 12:39 AM
Yeah Voodoo is my favorite boyles dog and that dog up there ^^^^^^^^^ is very nice...

hitmanpitz03
01-17-2013, 11:17 AM
How are the pups doing

daddycorey
01-22-2013, 04:38 PM
Dog looks good ,i actually have owned dogs off similar bloodlines.i love boyles/bolio boomerang blood.i have some dogs off addisons dudley ,dirty jersey ,backstreet truez ch.cortez etc...
YOU DO I HAVE A GR D OF CORTEZhttp://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=361709

AGK
01-22-2013, 05:14 PM
YOU DO I HAVE A GR D OF CORTEZhttp://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=361709

www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=361709 (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=361709)