30 degree angle.

[the_flamingo]

I've head that the dogs legs should have a 30 degree angle for conformation. Could someone please show me a picture of exactly what this is refering to. I was also curious about the lenght to width to hight ratio as well. Is there any webpages refering to this? Thanx.

[SpencerPits]

www.apbtconformation.com (http://www.apbtconformation.com)

Has some great info. It's more geared towards the UKC standard, but it'll give you a general idea.

[SpencerPits]

Here is some info on rear angulation:




http://www.apbtconformation.com/hock-joint.jpg





FIGURE 17 - Hock joint angulation is what many refer to when they say "angulation" . This figure shows the location of the hock joint and shows the rear pasterns perpendicular to the ground. A proper angle for the hock joint would be roughly 45 degrees with the ground (blue line meeting the ground). The GREEN LINE behind the dog is perpendicular to the ground and forms an equilateral triangle with the blue line. Notice the pasterns are standing parallel to the ground while the topline is maintained. Dogs without proper angulation can be made to appear to have a good amount of angle to the hock joint but in so doing it drops or raises the topline out of plane. When stacking the hockjoint angle should be no more or less than that required to put the rear pasterns perpendicular to the ground while maintaining a flat topline. The APBT should not have too little or too much angulation (AVERAGE AND MODERATION)

[rocksteady]

thats a nice site, it gives pics of what its describing

Here is the ADBA version They dont go into too much detail but give a couple drawings at the bottom of the page

http://www.adba.cc/p_pdetails.asp?fpid=32

[SpencerPits]

Also - as for length/height ratio (I assume this is what you mean), ideally the dog should be square from shoulder to hip bone and down to the floor. It seems to be becoming more and more common to see dogs too long in the body though (a couple of mine are like that). Height/weight ratio should be between 1:2 (ADBA) and 1:3 (UKC). For instance, a dog that is 18" tall would ideally weigh between 36 (ADBA) and 54 (UKC) lbs. I prefer the ADBA standard. To me, the closer you get to the 1:3 ratio with most dogs that just means they're fat. Don't get me wrong - that's not always the case, but a lot of times it seems to be true.

[the_flamingo]

Thanx for all of the links. That is exactly what I'm looking for. The first one is more UKC stuff, but gives me an excellent idea. I think that Jaha is too long in the body. I'm going to measure him tonight and see. Again THANK YOU! :D

[the_flamingo]

Also - as for length/height ratio (I assume this is what you mean), ideally the dog should be square from shoulder to hip bone and down to the floor. It seems to be becoming more and more common to see dogs too long in the body though (a couple of mine are like that). Height/weight ratio should be between 1:2 (ADBA) and 1:3 (UKC). For instance, a dog that is 18" tall would ideally weigh between 36 (ADBA) and 54 (UKC) lbs. I prefer the ADBA standard. To me, the closer you get to the 1:3 ratio with most dogs that just means they're fat. Don't get me wrong - that's not always the case, but a lot of times it seems to be true.Jaha is 18.5" tall and weights about 43 lbs. what would that make him? Do you divide the height by the weight or is it the other way around?

Forgot to add, he is 22" long. Now it says the UKC standered prefers a slightly longer dog than tall, he is 18.5" tall. What about the ADBA? I didn't see what they prefer, unless I'm blind and I missed it. ;) Also what do they mean about slightly? 18.5" and 22" is a pretty good difference...

[SpencerPits]

At 18.5" at the withers, a 1:2 ratio would be 37lbs. 18.5:43 = 1:2.324...so, he's really close to the 1:2 ratio. And since he's still a pup, I wouldn't expect him to be right at the 1:2 ratio anyway. To figure out his ratio, it's like converting fractions. 18.5/43 =1/? Since I don't know how much you know about converting fractions, I'll assume nothing and explain step by step. You take 1x43 and divide by 18.5. In this case, since you're converting to a 1/? and you'll be multiplying by 1, you might as well just say divide his weight by his height. 43 divided by 18.5 = 2.324... Hope that makes sense. LOL.

[the_flamingo]

At 18.5" at the withers, a 1:2 ratio would be 37lbs. 18.5:43 = 1:2.324...so, he's really close to the 1:2 ratio. And since he's still a pup, I wouldn't expect him to be right at the 1:2 ratio anyway. To figure out his ratio, it's like converting fractions. 18.5/43 =1/? Since I don't know how much you know about converting fractions, I'll assume nothing and explain step by step. You take 1x43 and divide by 18.5. In this case, since you're converting to a 1/? and you'll be multiplying by 1, you might as well just say divide his weight by his height. 43 divided by 18.5 = 2.324... Hope that makes sense. LOL.
Ok, I think I get that now. ;) I knew it had to be either that or the other way around which got me a 1:4.3, and I didn't think that he was that bad, LOL.

Do you know anything about the lenght? He is 22" what does the ADBA prefer as far a lenght goes?

[SpencerPits]

When you measured his length, did you measure from chest to rear end, or shoulder to hip? As far as I know, there is nothing saying your dog has to be a certain length. Just that the dog should ideally be "square" when viewed from the side. So, if Jaha measured 18.5 at the withers, you'd want him to be as close to 18.5" in length as possible. And that is measuring from the shoulder bone to the hip bone. Maybe it's just me, as I've not seen or heard anyone else ever point this out, but like I said it seems to be getting more and more common to see dogs too long in the body. Regardless, seeing as Jaha is still a pup, I'd worry more about angulation than perfect proportions. Reason I say this is cause he may still have some height to gain as he matures and may end up being "square". IMO, pups are the hardest ones for a newbie to be able to judge conformation on. At least to me it is harder to look at the conformation of a pup. All I can really tell you is study the standard, study the two webpages posted, and go to shows. While you're at shows, don't be afraid to ask the judge(s) questions. You can usually catch them either in between classes or after the show.

[the_flamingo]

I measured chest to rear end. I thought that he still had a little hight to gain, I know he probally going to gain a bit more weight too. ;) I sooo excited to go to this show in May! I'm trying to be prepared, lol. At the last club meeting they told me and Dave that club members have to work... :eek: And that we have to wear Security shirts... So it looks like I might be a busy woman at the show, LOL.