Staffordshire Terrier vs. APBT

[beanx]

What is the real difference? Id really like to know, the only difference i can see is that APBT seem to have bigger heads? I could be wrong but that's the only difference i can see from pictures. If anyone could fill me in on the differences if any that would be great, i have been searching around for a while and really haven't found much information. thanks guys!

[TwistedMettle]

Performance genes.

[beanx]

so thats really all then? No obvious physical differences or anything?

[Colossus]

one is bred for performance and one for show.

[duckmike]

to expand on what twistedmettle stated staffordshires breeding program changed from the original way that these dogs were bred which was performance based to a show dog based way of breeding which these dogs originally were never bred for.in other words while apbt was bred with really no consideration at all for looks and only for performance the staff was bred to look like a performance animal which belive me is not the same and if you want a real apbt you should avoid any-blood with staff in-it

[beanx]

it doesn't matter either way with me, i just purchased a 3month old staffordshire and im just trying to learn about the breed. I don't plan on turning him into any kind of "game" dog or whatever its called. Can staffordshire terriers be trained to work like a apbt if need be? Is it just that they don't have the aggression that the apbt has? Sorry for all the questions i just like to learn.

[brindlexpitt]

theres a huge difference in looks if you put them up side by side because theyre not bred for performance

[AmericanDogMan]

duckmike I thik thats too simple a def cause castillo is show bred but IMO they are apbt's.

http://d988256.u38.infinology.net/images/Copy%20of%20tweetieidahomay2005.jpg

Below:
APBT

American Pit Bull Terrier Network (http://www.apbtconformation.com/adbastandard.htm)

Best example google game apbt for a newbie is lil bit

Game apbt lil bit image by Marty2k6 on Photobucket (http://media.photobucket.com/image/Game%20Apbt%20lil%20bit/Marty2k6/Lilbit15.jpg)

Game apbt lil bit image by Marty2k6 on Photobucket (http://media.photobucket.com/image/Game%20Apbt%20lil%20bit/Marty2k6/Lilbit24.jpg)

http://www.stillwaterkennels.com/-%20New%20Folder%20%282%29/Customer%20Pics/MartysLilBitVelcro.jpg


STAff

American Pit Bull Terrier Network (http://www.apbtconformation.com/akcstandard.htm)

Labeled incorrect as apbt but its a staff
http://www.grimeskennel.com/images/doc/Doc.jpg

just go to this website

American Pit Bull Terrier Network Pit Bull Encyclopedia A to Z about the APBT (http://www.apbtconformation.com/)

and play around...

[AmericanDogMan]

Best example of an apbt that's BLUE
controversial but if there was a blue one this is it

http://www.dooziedog.com/dog_breeds/american_pit_bull_terrier/main.jpg

by converse best example of a blue staff

http://breederinfocenter.com/images2/20060114023616_100105_5.jpg

http://www.cruisinkennels.com/pictures/Blue%28fullsize%29.jpg

http://www.puppysites.com/deluxe/diamondbarkennels.jpg

http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/classified_images/6521.jpg

http://www.freewebs.com/ofthelittlerascals/Cirkle%20Cs%20Simon%20R%20Blue%20Scott.jpg

Thicker structure: exaggeratory: less form; beautiful animals just not PIT's

Not as Athletic

Football player vs Bodybuilder

Because of the UKC there are alot of Pit Amstaff mixes... Example my avatar http://www.bulldoginformation.com/american-pit-bull-terrier-red-nose.jpg

is as mastiff a pit as acceptable more than that and it's an amstaff 100 and no longer fits function

[AmericanDogMan]

Pics of my personal dogs are similar to lil bit...

[beanx]

so basicly the apbt is the strongman of the breed and the Stafford is the bodybuilder of the breed. The pits have the muscle and the drive to use it but the staffs have all the looks but not the drive that a apbt has correct?

[AmericanDogMan]

red and other color amstaffs... The heads and necks on amstaffs are thicker... they would get destroyed one on

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/i/american_staffordshire_terrier.jpg

http://kelticwarrior00.com/graphics/amstaff.jpg

Imageshack - milagrasbigboiofhotshotgi6.jpg (http://img186.imageshack.us/i/milagrasbigboiofhotshotgi6.jpg/)

http://www.puppysites.com/deluxe/divinityamstaffs.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NF_bd0MO2DU/0.jpg
http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/920/10022306.JPG
http://images.marthastewart.com/images/content/web/pets/akc/2009Q1//akc_amstaff_bloom_xl.jpg
http://www.olmar.purebredpuppy.com/Tommy.jpg
http://www.dotcomamstaffs.com/Cauzie_page_pic.jpg
http://www.everythingamstaff.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/srckys_amstaffs_budweiser.jpg

Now no one ask this question again ...lol

[AmericanDogMan]

so basicly the apbt is the strongman of the breed and the Stafford is the bodybuilder of the breed. The pits have the muscle and the drive to use it but the staffs have all the looks but not the drive that a apbt has correct?

Nah pits are more like special forces/greenberrets/Navy Seals/boxers

and AMstaffs are BodyBuilders/Or just fat asses...Can even be strongmen Just cause u can squat 900lbs dont mean

Holyfield
Pavlik
Tyson
Ali
... can't whoop u

[Dream Pits]

castillo dogs are not gamedogs. they have good drive but dont compare to real gamedogs. They were bred with size in mind.

[duckmike]

i looked at some of the dogs shown above and saw nothing that looked game just a-lot of fat block-headed dogs

[DEATH-GRIP]

i looked at some of the dogs shown above and saw nothing that looked game just a-lot of fat block-headed dogs looked game ?? so they have to look game to be game ? interesting :rolleyes:

[roughcur calling]

looked game ?? so they have to look game to be game ? interesting :rolleyes:

careful you dont get banned..............they looked mighty fine to me, honest.

[MinuteMan1979]

I have to wonder how these people who can't find basic breed info on the internet, can find, join, and post on this forum? Is it just me or does that sh!t seem strange?

Anyway, that's the kind of info you should have found out WELL before u got a dog. So you don't know squat about AmStaffs, but you're the proud new owner of one! I mean the AKC. Website will tell you about the amstaff...

Idk man...

[DEATH-GRIP]

I have to wonder how these people who can't find basic breed info on the internet, can find, join, and post on this forum? Is it just me or does that sh!t seem strange?

Anyway, that's the kind of info you should have found out WELL before u got a dog. So you don't know squat about AmStaffs, but you're the proud new owner of one! I mean the AKC. Website will tell you about the amstaff...

Idk man...
the sad thing is this is the majority of what most peeps do ! get a dog that they know nothing about , thats why the dog pounds are full , when that pup grows up & acts like it supposed to they cant handle it !!!

[MCS]

the sad thing is this is the majority of what most peeps do ! get a dog that they know nothing about , thats why the dog pounds are full , when that pup grows up & acts like it supposed to they cant handle it !!!

But how can you resist those shiny blue pups! they are a rarity these days!!:D

[duckmike]

Roughcur you're kidding right ? theres nothing about those fat dogs above that looks like an apbt other than the fact they have four(fat)legs

[roughcur calling]

Roughcur you're kidding right ? theres nothing about those fat dogs above that looks like an apbt other than the fact they have four(fat)legs

i was joking......im not into looks.......i like any dog that meet metal with metal and still crosses the line. if they do that i guess im in love!:dogkiss:

[Young SeNsE_VA]

one is bred for performance and one for show.

Nuff said :D

[AmericanDogMan]

castillo dogs are not gamedogs. they have good drive but dont compare to real gamedogs. They were bred with size in mind.

I agree I dont think there amstaffs tho... I think they are show bred apbt's

[AmericanDogMan]

i looked at some of the dogs shown above and saw nothing that looked game just a-lot of fat block-headed dogs

'You did read the labels above each set of pics, right?

http://www.stillwaterkennels.com/-%20New%20Folder%20%282%29/Customer%20Pics/MartysLilBitVelcro.jpg

lil bit looks hella good as an example of a game dog... most of the rest were amstaffs...

Anyway, i was just trying to help him out...

[duckmike]

he doesn't want are help he said" it doesn't matter either way with me" then he goes on to tell us he bought a staff and he's posting on a site called game-dog .com seems to me he's already got everything figured-out shit he'll be selling dogs in another year

[Naustroms]

You guys are thinking American Staffordshire Terrier/AmBully. The OP is talking about SBT.

[AmericanDogMan]

You guys are thinking American Staffordshire Terrier/AmBully. The OP is talking about SBT.

Now it makes sense...

[duckmike]

Jeez Louise ! that figures enuff said on my part

[shortbedder]

OP,
I have had great experiences with both breeds. You said you wanted a good dog, you got one. It's not a bully or amstaff, it's a staffordshire bull terrior.And they can hold there own.

[MinuteMan1979]

How do u know he's talking about a Staffy Bull?

[Naustroms]

How do u know he's talking about a Staffy Bull?

because their is no "Am" in front of Staffordshire Terrier in the title. Not to mention in the first post he says that the APBT head is a bit bigger which would not be the case if he was talking about AmBully or American Staff.

[beanx]

double post......

[beanx]

lol i love how some of you guys are pure assholes to people that ask questions to learn information. I dont think you need to know EVERY single thing about a dogs breed to take care of one. This isnt my first dog and a month into it it doesn't seem any different from when i raised my akita! You feed it, you teach it to use the bathroom outside, you play with it, and you discipline it when needed. The only reason i got this dog in the first place was because it wasn't being taken care of by his previous owners and i felt i could give it a better home/life. So keep being assholes and try to put people down on forum if it makes you feel better thats very grown up of you. To the people that helped me understand the differences and took the time to answer my questions like people on a forum are suppose to do i really do appreciate it. All forums have their trolls, apparently this one is no exception. thanks.

[peppapig]

if there was no assholes how could the shit on here come spurting out?:D its a forum,many people,many characters,many views.grow some thick skin,roll with the punches you take and try and throw some back.if not,you might as well not post.;)

[peppapig]

oh.....forgot to add.....to survive this forum.....dont believe a word that comes out of roughcur calling's posts....case in question= http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43914

[beanx]

im a member of many forums and i realize every forum has there assholes. None of them bother me its just a shame that there are a few people on this website that feel like you need a PHD to own a staffy or apbt. They are a dog.

[fblb]

The same thing that separate's the APBT from all other breeds gameness....Seriously though there are many different things that separate the two breeds. One being the staffordshire bull terrier has been bred for (the majority) show/conformation for many, many years. They are no longer bred for the blood sports that made them. Their conformation standard is totally different than the APBT's, and so is their mentality, and physical state. They are just two different breeds. That is what is different about them in a nut shell.

[pit#5]

Wile no one wants to say they are game like an APBT –
Still you will own some thing that is not a <ST1:pLabrador</ST1:place
Still could have more Dog Aggression than most other dog breeds
And statically a game one could show up

[bionic]

OP can you humour me please? Are you talking about an Amstaff or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier?

Naustroms, I know he doesn't say it's an Amstaff but technically speaking, a Staffordshire Terrier is an Amstaff. The SBT has the word "bull" in it but the Amstaff doesn't.

If the OP can clarify what he bought then he would get better answers.

[BOCKennels]

im a member of many forums and i realize every forum has there assholes. None of them bother me its just a shame that there are a few people on this website that feel like you need a PHD to own a staffy or apbt. They are a dog.

And a Lion's a cat... Does having kitties all your life qualify you to get one without even knowing what the difference between it and a tiger is? You going to raise it the same as you're persian amigo???

Do you go buy a M-16 without any knowledge of how it works cuz you had a b.b. gun when you were a kid? They are both guns.

Knowledge is best gained before entering into a situation, that's all. And the basic knowledge of WHAT the breed your getting is all about, would be a good base to start with.

I didn't see anyone being an A-hole..?

And ARE you talking about a Staffy Bull, or AmStaff? I mean the fact we all have to ask is a good example of WHY you do some research first, as nobody here even knows for sure WHAT breed your talking about. You would have specified if you had a bit more knolwedge on the breeds, and you would have gotten better answer's friend...

[pit#5]

I think it is obvious the post heading Staffordshire Terrier vs. APBT OP is talking about Amstaff as if he was talking about Staffy Bull, then it would not only be head size difference he'd be mentioning it would include dog size. <O:p</O:p
Game is the difference as I remember being around a bunch of game dogs Hollingsworth bull was a massive dog in size But a red nose (a big thing) so other then that any Amstaf breeder would have loved his structure and on the opposite end I saw, Cowgirl she was so small but built like a truck a Staffy Bull breeder would have love her . <O:p</O:p
Since one can find APBTs that do look like Staffordshire Terrier and Staffy Bulls The game quality is the difference as all three breeds still share the love of humans, are still not really guard dogs per say, and still have an air of confidence around other dogs. <O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p
When I stated <O:p</O:p
Wile no one wants to say they are game like an APBT –
Still you will own some thing that is not a <ST1:pLabrador</ST1:p
Still could have more Dog Aggression than most other dog breeds
And statically a game one could show up.<O:p</O:p
I was trying to say respect & be careful what you have it’s still a heck of a dog.<O:p</O:p

[venom]

Usually when people use the word Stafford/Staffordshire, its in reference to the original dog with that name. Only once it has American infront of it does it mean something else. Unless the person is unaware of the differences in the breeds.

[Colossus]

why are debating about what he means... dude! what do you mean! Amstaff or Staffy!?

[beanx]

I was talking about the difference between a Staffordshire Terrier and a APBT. Not a Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

BOCKennels,
You are 10000% correct. I should probably take the dog and tie it to a tree in the woods across from my house and through rocks at it like its previous owners did until i totally understand every aspect of the "BREED"! God for bid i try to feed it and take care of it and give it a good home before i know anything about it! Since its a pitbull, staffordshire terrier WTF ever it might not drink water and eat dog food or something, and i wouldn't want to make that mistake now would i? Id hate for it to morph into some kinda of gremlin or something after it takes a bite of "Purina Puppy Chow" after midnight or some crazy ass shit like that.

Do you not realize i rescued the dog from a bad home? Did you forget to read that part or did your E-Penis get hard and force you to start typing some sort of dickhead response?

[Colossus]

I was talking about the difference between a Staffordshire Terrier and a APBT. Not a Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

One is bred for show/looks and one is bred for work/performance.

[venom]

An American Staffordshire Terrier is what you are refferring to. The confussion comes from staffordshire being the actual place the dogs come from. So naturally just the word stafford would bring to mind the English dog and not the American dog... people just call them amstaffs.

The difference is one has been bred for show. The selected breedings have been choosen for cosmetic reasons where as the APBT has been bred for performance. The dogs are really not the same at all. Different temperament, slightly different shapes and sizes. You'll notice the Amstaffs will be more bulky and square looking than most APBT's. The biggest difference besides the dogs drive and temperament will be its health. Amstaffs have a lot more health issues than the APBT... So those will be the main differences. They both originally come from the same stock of dogs but two totally different breeding programs taking them in the opposite directions. Hope that answers your question.

[MinuteMan1979]

Yes,

Being an arrogant know it all prick is the BEST way to get help.

The info you are asking for would easily be found in 30 seconds on a google search.

The difference between a AMERICAN Staffordshore terrier and an APBT, is the same as the dif between most of the psoters on this site and you. One's all show and no heart, and ones legit.

Maybe if
you throw rocks at it, it'll make it as tough as you are!
;)

But honestly, THANKS for saving the dog from a douche bag. It Is to be commended.

And that's correct NEVER feed it after midnight, or it will become a blood thirty savage, and probably drag little children out of they're beds to feed.

But you already knew this, so whatta you need our help for?

P.S., don't forget to feed it kittens and gun powder!

[BOCKennels]

Well look at you big boy!

If it's JUST a dog, what do you even need to know the answer to your question for!?

As has been said, even the mostly SHOW bred AmStaff is twice the dog your akita was. Be forwarned your probably going to deal with some dog aggression.

And from here on out, piss off if thats your attitude... I didn't come at you like a dick, and I sure as shit can be a BIG one. Another DOUCHE WAFFEL with a "PIT BULL"... yay for you!!!

I suggest(ed) doing some research, as you can find out the info you're requesting without having to broadcast to the word you know nothing about the dog you own, and then get all cur snappy when you get told to do some F'ing RESEARCH. I don't give two sh!ts if you "saved the dog". Put it to sleep, it's uneducated owners like you who think it's "just another dog" and don't treat it any different that get these dogs on the evening news...

Pat yourself on the back, as I aint doing it for you.

[AmericanDogMan]

I was talking about the difference between a Staffordshire Terrier and a APBT. Not a Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

BOCKennels,
You are 10000% correct. I should probably take the dog and tie it to a tree in the woods across from my house and through rocks at it like its previous owners did until i totally understand every aspect of the "BREED"! God for bid i try to feed it and take care of it and give it a good home before i know anything about it! Since its a pitbull, staffordshire terrier WTF ever it might not drink water and eat dog food or something, and i wouldn't want to make that mistake now would i? Id hate for it to morph into some kinda of gremlin or something after it takes a bite of "Purina Puppy Chow" after midnight or some crazy ass shit like that.

Do you not realize i rescued the dog from a bad home? Did you forget to read that part or did your E-Penis get hard and force you to start typing some sort of dickhead response?

If your talking about the amstaff look at the pics I posted in the beginning of thread. That's all you need to know. And although, BocKennels approach maybe a little course for a newbie he's right a true apbt is not a regular dog. Care, knowledge and time needs to go into the animal. And if their a pet they need to bond and they need boundaries. Not beat downs but firm boundaries. Their working dogs more so than any other dog; they need something to do that challenge's them to the point of exhaustion or they'll be very mischievous.

[beanx]

obviously knowledge is what im trying to achieve. Usually when people ask questions they are wanting to learn and thats all im trying to do.

Plus i highly doubt if i raise this dog like i did my other that it will turn into some child killing beast of epic proportions. If i would have left it witht he previous owner then yes i could see it happening there. But i'm pretty sure it takes alot of fucking up on the owners end to turn a pitbull type dog mean. I'm no expert but this dog is way to friendly to me and everyone hes around to hurt anyone.

[AmericanDogMan]

obviously knowledge is what im trying to achieve. Usually when people ask questions they are wanting to learn and thats all im trying to do.

Plus i highly doubt if i raise this dog like i did my other that it will turn into some child killing beast of epic proportions. If i would have left it witht he previous owner then yes i could see it happening there. But i'm pretty sure it takes alot of fucking up on the owners end to turn a pitbull type dog mean. I'm no expert but this dog is way to friendly to me and everyone hes around to hurt anyone.

By Mischievous I mean digging escaping and killing racoons; breaking down his kennel... Chewing a support beam in your home... Stuff you didn't know was possible or didnt think would annoy you.

[beanx]

the only time he is outside is when im with him, he doesnt have a kennel because all of my dogs are inside dogs. He can kill all the coons he wants ill praise him for that. He has chewed up a few things but you get that with any puppy. Chewing up a support beam though i think we would have some problems lol...

[MinuteMan1979]

"All my dogs are inside dogs"

And if/when he decides he doesn't want to "play" with any of the other dogs, but would rather try and kill them, what are your plans?

Most apbt and staffs are going to show some dog aggression, be prepared to have to keep them seperated at all times and NEVER NEVER leave them together unsupervised. Are u willing to deal with a dog that WILL NOT stand other animals? There's a good chance u could get one no matter HOW u raise him...

[beanx]

he gets along with my akita great, he gets along with my cat great he is actually scared of the cat. I suppose if it were to happen then i would climb that hill once i get there. But i see no reason they wont be fine together.

[MinuteMan1979]

But i see no reason they wont be fine together.
And THAT is because u did no research on the breed in the first place...

COUNT on him wanting to DESTROY the Akita and the cat at some point...

Then COUNT ur blessings if he never does...

[bionic]

COUNT on him wanting to DESTROY the Akita and the cat at some point...

Then COUNT ur blessings if he never does...

OP, this is the best advice you've got so far. Hope for the best but be prepared for the worst. You'll most likely have some DA issues in your house and it won't be something you'll be able to train out.

[Oldskool Brent]

Best Example I can give you is to relate them to a musclecar.

<acronym title="American Pit Bull Terrier">APBT</acronym> - all original 1970 Chevelle SS with an LS6 454 big block in it.

AmStaff - 1971 Malibu with a Chevelle SS paintjob and a nicely built 350 smallblock in it.

AmBully - 1972 Malibu, with 24" Dubs, heavy flake candy apple green paint job, stripes, hydraulics, crushed velvet interior, powered by Chevy 292 straight 6 engine.

[AmericanDogMan]

:goodposting::goodposting:

I'm loving this post... Just sold my first classic 1969 buick skylark custom 350 v8 small block

Bought a 1970 Buick GSX replica... Stealth Black

like an upgrade from an AMStaff(69skycustom)

to CH APBT (1970GSX)

You know the 455; Hemi owner's try to deny was the best street engine of it's time

[Oldskool Brent]

:goodposting::goodposting:

I'm loving this post... Just sold my first classic 1969 buick skylark custom 350 v8 small block

Bought a 1970 Buick GSX replica... Stealth Black

like an upgrade from an AMStaff(69skycustom)

to CH APBT (1970GSX)

You know the 455; Hemi owner's try to deny was the best street engine of it's time

I'm 6 years into a 2 year restoration of my Buick Grand National, lol.

[NMWAPBT]

the apbt max wieght and the staffy max wieght is also different