Why give dogs away

[duckmike]

<meta http-equiv="CONTENT-TYPE" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><title></title><meta name="GENERATOR" content="OpenOffice.org 3.2 (Win32)"><style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> </style> I don't get-it it seems like a-lot of people on this site have a problem with some-one selling dogs but they have no problem with someone giving dogs away when in my opinion thats a lot worse than selling a dog. I'm not talking about the person that farms-out a dog here-and-there I'm talking about just giving a dog away like thats a great and nobel thing to do.Doesn't any-one cull any-more?Why would any-one that really cares about these dogs want to devalue them so much that they just give them away.Isn't there enough ill-bred dogs in the hands of ill-mannered and unknowedgble people already.I'v got a novel idea if you can't raise the pups you're intent on haveing and find your-self with dogs that are-not better (not as good,not just about as good) but better than what you started with then cull-them don't put them out-there and dilute and devalue the fine blood-lines that make this breed so great because I assure-you that every breeder that you brag-about having in your dogs blood-line culled and most culled hard

[gog123]

Some people offer pups for free then i hope they are selective as to who is able to get one from the huge list i expect many get wanting a dog purely because its free.

I see it as a respect thing....only person id ever give a dog to wouldnt have to pay because i know they are 100% for me to even want them to have a pup or dog....if not then no matter how much money is offerd the answer is no.

[ReleaseTheHounds]

Paying money for a pup does not a good owner make.

People who give dogs away to others here are often giving dogs to close friends or people they know and trust to own the dogs well.

Having $$$ be the main determining factor on if someone gets a pup or not over say responsibility and character is why people talk poorly of folks peddling pups.

[TheIII]

If someone offered me a free pup I would still probalby send them some cash just out of respect to help them out. But it is a nobal thing to give away something worthy and not expect money shows your doing it out of love and not greed. Like a donation to a good cause & I think this is after culling not instead of.
On the other hand why not give away a lesser dog to someone that wants a companion as long as they are upstanding and the animal cant reproduce it shouldent be an issue.

[JoeyNzoey]

I fully agree TheIII my girl was given to me for free off of a friend of mine but I still gave him some cash especially because he was departing off to another state I knew it couldn't hurt him and it certainly is nothing compared to what my girl has become for me ;)

[duckmike]

giving away dogs devalues them and i agree that money does not make a responsible owner but putting inferior(lessor) dogs out there because you don't want to cull is bad for this or any other breed

[Naustroms]

giving away dogs devalues them and i agree that money does not make a responsible owner but putting inferior(lessor) dogs out there because you don't want to cull is bad for this or any other breed

why is giving away dogs the same as giving out inferior stock because the breeder is afraid to cull? you're arguing the wrong topic here.

[duckmike]

i never said giving dogs away was the same as giving out inferior stock because the breeder is afraid to cull.if it read that way i'm sorry because i didn't mean it to. what i was trying to say is giving dogs away devalues the breed .

[AGame]

i never said giving dogs away was the same as giving out inferior stock because the breeder is afraid to cull.if it read that way i'm sorry because i didn't mean it to. what i was trying to say is giving dogs away devalues the breed .


My personal opinion if you are in it for the money or what you can get out of your dogs then you are in it for the wrong damn reasons plain and simple if you wanna make money of dogs breed cur ass Bullies hell what am i sayin thats not just my personal opinion i would hope alot of others feel the same way about it

[Yardboy]

Ok, giving away a pup isn't giving away inferior stock. There's no way to tell how the stock is gonna turn out at that age. To give one away to a trusted person is a sign of the utmost respect. It's like saying I know you and I know you'll do right by this dog and that is more important to me than $$$. This sounds like a complait a peddler who sells dogs would come up with. Mad cause they can't sell dogs cause other folks give them away.

[Laced Wit Game]

good point ^^^

[Laced Wit Game]

i was always curious about religous folks into the dogs.

i mean we can sit here and say "responsible breeders/dogmen cull" this & that all day long. and it sounds good, and makes perfect sense.

but heres a shade of gray for me,

were there not any religous breeders? i mean, it prolly wouldnt bother me as far as the religion part goes because im not very religous,

but what about the old timers or dogmen of today? you would think that atleast some of these folk were pretty religous and culling would get in the way of theyre religous values, i mean i just cant really see a hardcore god fearin christian playing god by giving life and then takin it?

like i said i aint no bible thumper or nothin just a subject i was curious on.

[Yardboy]

Ou should read about Jacob and the spotted cows. Or the fact that animals were used as sacrifice. Or how God had some kill Everyman woman child and animal when they were in battle.

[Great Expectations]

Like a few said on here already, I give dogs away to people I trust with my freedom. As far as pushing bad stock off to someone else that's damn sure not me. Anyone is more than welcome here, all the bad stock is sitting here lol, I give all the good shit away.

[Laced Wit Game]

Ou should read about Jacob and the spotted cows. Or the fact that animals were used as sacrifice. Or how God had some kill Everyman woman child and animal when they were in battle.

WHAT?!?!?!:eek::eek::eek:

lol what ru talkin bout YB, i never read the bible is that in there?

[duckmike]

to clear-up a couple of things i never said farming out dogs to trusted and true friends was wrong its a practice that's always gone -on.what i was commenting on when i started this thread is a-lot of posts go on about giving dogs away and maybe I'm a pessimist but i don't believe in a lot of cases that the people they're giving dogs to are screened all that good or are capable of taking care of these dogs in the way that they should.just look around in any city or town look at all the pit-bull and pit-bull mix dogs roaming around by themselves or in the hands of less than responsible owners i truly believe that there are to-many of are breed of dogs out there and its detrimental to us and are breed of dog to just give dogs away that we don't want or don't have the room for and i firmly believe that any-dog that's not better than the dogs you started with should be culled.and by the way i'm not god or any thing like that I'm just mike and when i had dogs i never sold them or gave them away so i could care about monetary gain i've never wanted or recieved any.at this time i have 1 dog that's all i need all i want but when i had a yard i culled

[Naustroms]

i still dont understand what you're talking about.

who's been talking about giving away bulldogs to random people? who's been talking about giving away dogs of sub-par quality?

believe it or not most street pits are a product of $50 newspaper ads not people giving bulldogs away. if someone is giving away bulldogs you can bet its not to some random person passing by or someone who can't fully handle the commitment.


WHAT?!?!?!:eek::eek::eek:

lol what ru talkin bout YB, i never read the bible is that in there?

if you're up for some really good fiction, crack it open sometime. its really somethin else

[Laced Wit Game]

i wouldnt know where to start, and i cant even understan/comprehend half the shit it talks about to be honest.

[venom]

Honestly, there is not alot of our dogs out there.
There are a lot of look alikes, but not the same breed.

Also, if you're talking pups... i dont see where culling them comes in. If you wanna cull a dog before it even comes of age, just send em to me. I'm sure a lot of folks will take em all damn day. Culling is just removing an animal from your breeding program for w/e reason... if you wanna cull pups instead of giving them to people that would make use of em.. maybe it isnt the people who want the pups who should be evaluated on responsibility and love for the breed.

[venom]

cull em if they have some physical incapabilities.

but i think most people on here giving dogs away are given em to someone who they trust, or someone who previously gave them a dog and maybe they swap pups... has happened since the begining. nothing new.

[ReleaseTheHounds]

I never thought we were speaking of giving away dogs out of the breeder's fear to cull. As I posted above, I am speaking of people who understand that trust and really knowing the person you are giving your pup to rather than giving a pup to someone because they answered your ad in the paper and have the $$$ is a smart choice. If anything I think the person selling to someone they don't know or trust devalues the breed more far more than someone giving a pup away to a trusted friend does...

Maybe I am wrong but to me farming out means you are temporarily placing the dog or you retain some sort of breeding rights, or the dog is going with a kennel partner a sale is a final transfer - I didn't consider farming out as part of this conversation.

[duckmike]

I'm not talking about culling healthy pups and theres postings all-over this site about placing dogs giving dogs away etc and i don't believe for a second that all of the street dogs are the product of 50 dogs i think a lot are the result of people breeding registered dogs then finding out they couldn't sell them because a-lot of people that want these dogs won't pay top dollar or any dollar and they have more dogs than they can take care-of so they give them away .I have no problem with how many dogs someone has as long they takes care of them

[duckmike]

Adivina:may-be farming-out wasn't the right term to use but if you trust some-one enough to give them a dog is that where your interest in that dog and them ends ?you no longer have no contact with them? you woudn't take the dog back if they were unable to care for it ?you woudn't get mad if they were breeding it to every cur they came in contact with? that might-not be considered farming out but having read some of your other postings and respecting them and while not noing you personally i think you would mind and probably try to get the dog back.I'm not talking about you and naustramous and some of the other frequent posters on this site which i respect but when i started this thread i was talking about the posts i'v seen with the cavalier attitude that i'll just give it away and to me just giving a-dog away with no expectations and no condition is-not-right.thats what i meant and i should have been a little clearr er and for that i'm sorry sometimes i post without clearly stating what i was trying to get at

[ReleaseTheHounds]

Adivina:may-be farming-out wasn't the right term to use but if you trust some-one enough to give them a dog is that where your interest in that dog and them ends ?you no longer have no contact with them? you woudn't take the dog back if they were unable to care for it ?you woudn't get mad if they were breeding it to every cur they came in contact with? that might-not be considered farming out but having read some of your other postings and respecting them and while not noing you personally i think you would mind and probably try to get the dog back.I'm not talking about you and naustramous and some of the other frequent posters on this site which i respect but when i started this thread i was talking about the posts i'v seen with the cavalier attitude that i'll just give it away and to me just giving a-dog away with no expectations and no condition is-not-right.thats what i meant and i should have been a little clearr er and for that i'm sorry sometimes i post without clearly stating what i was trying to get at

I think maybe I didn't express myself right. I agree with what you are posting here exactly. And I certainly did not mean your interest in the dog ends, but more that the dog becomes the property of someone else where as farming is a more temporary situation with an expectation of return and not just saying you will take the dog back if they do something wrong/can't keep it, etc like you would if you were selling. I agree with you and I think we are just both reading each other wrong. :D

[ReleaseTheHounds]

I'm not talking about culling healthy pups and theres postings all-over this site about placing dogs giving dogs away etc and i don't believe for a second that all of the street dogs are the product of 50 dogs i think a lot are the result of people breeding registered dogs then finding out they couldn't sell them because a-lot of people that want these dogs won't pay top dollar or any dollar and they have more dogs than they can take care-of so they give them away .I have no problem with how many dogs someone has as long they takes care of them

I get what you mean now. Sorry mate. :)

[Beaverhunter]

i have givin away 3 times as many pups as i have sold, i dont breed unless i wanting some for myself, i will not just give a pup to anyone, im sure i have placed pups in the wrong hands before by accident but i am pretty choosey about where my pups go, if i dont feel that u are not a good enough dogman to be honest with yourself and the dog i wouldnt offer u one, plus if u give me a pup and he turns out, well then we are both winners because i got a good dog for nothing and u have breeding rights or a free pup out of him or her coming your way if u want. if i buy that pup from u and he turns out then oh well, u can buy a pup from me if i want u to have one.its just a respect thing to me, everyone seems to think its all about money, JMHO.

[peppapig]

whether giving them away or selling,the most important thing is the person doing the receiving of said pup.are they worthy/capable of having that pup,whether they have paid good money or not.