Man Biter question

[Kuntry]

I did a little search on here, but not what I was looking for. I got this male and I think he will eat somebody up. I don't know alot about his history, he has tested me numerous times. For example if he doesn't want to listen or move off the couch or something and you take tone with him and grab him he would put off a growl.

Well he stopped that after letting him know I was the head of the house. Well one night I busted thru the door and hit him with the door as I was entering a room. He growled at me and stood on his hind legs for about 30 seconds. I took tone and made him sit, shake and do commands he merely walked off wagging his tail.


Well today my little black bitch is coming into heat and was raising hell with a neighbors dog thru the fence and apparently he thought I was hurting her as I brought her inside to him he went CRAZY! He jumped at me and tried to bite, I grabbed his collar and took some air from him and he got worse, I got his choker and put it on him and he was on extreme edge..I took him for a long walk(almost his last)and he acted normal. When I got home he acted normal.He hasn't bit me yet but I got kids and think I should pass him on or put him down.

My question is any advice on his behavior and what the hell should I do, he's big and I can control him but have no room for error if shit happens.

Kuntry

[fblb]

I would not suggest "passing him on" if you do you will only be giving the problem to someone else. If he was mine I would put one between his eyes, and call it a day, like you said you have kids to think about.

[pirateslife4me]

Sounds like he needs a "come to Jesus" talk.

[Kuntry]

I don't worry about his HA with the kids, its a dominent thing with him and I, I can't pressure this dog I think someone has beat him before. It's mainly when the bitch is
in heat, he goes NUTS. I hate to give up on him as I got alot of time in him and he
loves and protects the household. (Seen him protective of the wife and kids before)
it's just him challenging me....any handlers with tactics on working with him.

[Bobby Rooster]

if there is any doubt to his temperament, then I'd put a bullet in him.

[fblb]

You are the one that pointed out the kids not me. If it was a non issue why bring it up?
Make all the excuses you want for the animal.....if you have kids you should worry about it. Don't cry to anyone if something happens. Always amazes me what kind of excuses people will make for an animal when it comes to the safety of their children. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. I would put one in his head, and call it a day.

About time we agree on something, BR, lol.

[ben brockton]

that's not a manbitter. but i sure as fuck wouldn't have that dog around any kids.

[brindlexpitt]

if he will "eat someone up" and has tried numurous occaisions to eat you up, put the effin dog down. i dont know how you could ever trust a dog like that around your children.

and secondly, wth is your in heat bitch doing roaming around? lol

[duckmike]

If you came here and asked what you asked you already no the answer but to second the other posters above me put it down now before he hurts you or a loved one or for that fact even a stranger

[Kuntry]

I mentioned the kids because I thought it was a detail that needed to be in there whether he showed HA aggression towards the kids or not.. I wanted it to be part of the equation.

I guess the only excuse I made was his bitch was in heat and he goes crazy to protect her.

Me personally I dont feel the need to cry to anybody. I was asking for some advice from more experienced members. fblb I get that your advice is to shoot the dog.

ben brockton if hes not a manbitter, how do I put him in his place without over doing it?

Bobby Rooster I think he's a bluffer, I ain't scared and if I do get scared he will get it with my pig sticker.

[catchdog]

hes only stoppin cuz he knows youll hurt him, he doesnt like you, he'll get you one day.......

[Dream Pits]

Why take a chance? I know its a hard decision but you have to face reality. Its not like he goes after strangers, he goes after HIS OWNER! NO EXCUSE EVER, as a responsible parent you owe your kids a safe environment. Why take a chance?

[ShakaZ]

Well you keep playin with it buddy, and breed his crazy ass while you're at it cause that's all this breed needs... good going.

[BringBackup]

Wouldn't call him a manbiter yet, but he is certainly testing boundaries. If you just recently got him, he is trying to establish his place in the household. If I brought a new dog in the house he was right away acting a fool like that, no way would i let him on the furniture or loose in the house for any reason. Crate this dog! It's fine to have in the house to get him used to the surrounding, but you are allowing him too much freedom. He should be crated or kenneled 24/7 and the only time he is to brought out is to walk him or let him go potty. In the house, keep him on a leash. You can let him sit with leashed while you read the newspaper, watch tv, etc but he isn't allowed on the couch with you. You need to let him know you control every aspect of his life and aren't going to put up with that crap.

Read this article on how to establish structure with an adult dog. If you legitimately work hard at this, and the situation doesn't get better, then consider other options.

The Ground Work to Establishing Pack Structure (http://leerburg.com/groundwork.htm)

[ben brockton]

i ain't got the answer for that kuntry i don't have house dogs. imo there's other breeds more suitable for a life on the couch. im under the impression you are fairly new to dogs from reading your post. so considering your situation. you have two choices 1. bring him to a behaviourist or 2. dirt nap.

[ShakaZ]

or 3. beat the shit outta him and if he still do it dirt nap.

[Kuntry]

he's 50/50 in and out all day,, if I wanted something to keep caged or in a crate I would get ANOTHER bearded dragon. He gets excercise and goes in the woods a good bit with me, but a couch potato hes not. I've had him about 8mos or so he's 2 now. I'll do some research and keep you updated. I was looking for guidance and got mixed reviews.
Catchdog you might be right but I think he is still adjusting and learning the pecking order.(another excuse I know)

[viegas703]

he's 50/50 in and out all day,, if I wanted something to keep caged or in a crate I would get ANOTHER bearded dragon. He gets excercise and goes in the woods a good bit with me, but a couch potato hes not. I've had him about 8mos or so he's 2 now. I'll do some research and keep you updated. I was looking for guidance and got mixed reviews.
Catchdog you might be right but I think he is still adjusting and learning the pecking order.(another excuse I know)


By the eay your responding to peoples comments and advice it seems like you knew exactly what everyone was going to tell you. Ive come to learn that in the apbt there is a "no-nonsense" rule for man biting. With my pup who is now 8 months he used to have issues( i took him in after a family couldnt keep him) but i worked my best to help his issues. He has never growled or barked at me EVER. This dog couldnt be any more attatched to me actually, thats why i find it troublesome that your dog is agressive towards YOU not strangers. My dog will bark at stranger( not viciously growl) but he settles in quickly. Hes never bitten nor tried to bite anyone, hes just protective. I guarentee you if anyone tried to hurt me or a family member he would all out attack. People may find that a bad trait, but i honestly dont. hes very controlable and never lashes out at anyone. DEFINTELY not me or anyone in the household, he loves us. I think like people have said that dog needs to learn his boundaries QUICK. If he was beat, you should stay firm with him but not use physical force as i think that would do him more harm.

[ccourtcleve]

I think that any doubts in temperament should be handled by a professional. The people on this website may give excellent advice, but if you feel a dog may bite, humanely euthanize the animal or CORRECT the problem professionally. There is no room for slip up or news stories in this breed. We all will suffer from one bad dog. There are quite a few wonderful, stable APBTs out there. They should be the ones we put the time and energy in to.

[Kuntry]

thanks viegas703 sorry about how I was responding(still don't see what u mean) but I look at him like a pissed off teenager with his balls full, not a killer pitbull. I asked my 10year old if the dog scared him and he expressed "NO!" Me I don't beat him just he reads off of physical tension and voice intensity. After today the no-nonsense rule comes into effect. He hasnt bit me just tries alot of intimidation, and frankly it takes alot to scare me, today he didn't scare me but he did open my eyes that he has issues to be worked out.
shakaz I don't need to breed him all of them I have are rescues.

ben brockton I been around dogs my whole life, I have just recently got remarried and
got stepkids now so new in a way.

[viegas703]

thanks viegas703 sorry about how I was responding(still don't see what u mean) but I look at him like a pissed off teenager with his balls full, not a killer pitbull. I asked my 10year old if the dog scared him and he expressed "NO!" Me I don't beat him just he reads off of physical tension and voice intensity. After today the no-nonsense rule comes into effect. He hasnt bit me just tries alot of intimidation, and frankly it takes alot to scare me, today he didn't scare me but he did open my eyes that he has issues to be worked out.
shakaz I don't need to breed him all of them I have are rescues.

ben brockton I been around dogs my whole life, I have just recently got remarried and
got stepkids now so new in a way.

Bro i wasnt trying to say you did anything wrong, it just seems like you knew they were going to tell you to give it the dirtnap. I think if you truly belive you can work with this dog than keep doing so right? its your dog, not ours. Only you know whats going on. Im still working with mine, everyday. Keep at it and things can turn around. When i said BEAT, i was reffering to the fact that you had stated you thought he may have been beat in his past. Keep at it and things can turn around for you. Good luck, keep us posted.

[Kuntry]

Alright I gotcha viegas, I think I can, just newer to kids, than dogs. The wife said he's a keeper and I am the only one he wants to growl at so I am gonna keep working with him and control the situation better. Thanks for the input and I'll keep ya posted.

I referred to "passing him on" I meant give him to someone who could catch with him or kennel or chain him. Then again if he had his nutz cut he would be an awesome lap dog.

[ShakaZ]

I was being sarcastic when I said breed him... seriously though do what you want with him just try to keep him out of the news and off of headlines.

[viegas703]

Alright I gotcha viegas, I think I can, just newer to kids, than dogs. The wife said he's a keeper and I am the only one he wants to growl at so I am gonna keep working with him and control the situation better. Thanks for the input and I'll keep ya posted.

I referred to "passing him on" I meant give him to someone who could catch with him or kennel or chain him. Then again if he had his nutz cut he would be an awesome lap dog.

Maybe extra bonding time will help eliminate his aggression towards you. Theres plenty of stuff you can figure out that you two can do together. Best of luck to you.

[Kuntry]

shakaz I see lol not no news going on around here.

viegas the bonding sounds like good advice..keep ya posted.

[fblb]

There is yet another problem. You "look at him like a pissed off teenager", it's an animal not a human being....you need to separate them into different classes they don't have as complex feelings as humans do.

He might change, he might not getting his "nuts cut"....I still can't figure out why you would take a chance when your children are involved. Just because your kid says he ain't worried, it's all good? I will be god damned if my animal growls at me in my house. Whatever you do it seems like you don't have the testicular fortitude to give the animal a dirt nap. Do what you want.

[outrightmike]

be carefull.with him being 2 he might be a time bomb.if you are to work with him you should be very carefull with him being around other people.for the love of pits if he gets worse and out of control put him down.good luck.

[Tommy TWO]

get rid of him asap

[outrightmike]

i see you got kids dont have them together.is losing a kid worth a dog? its not worth any chance.

[Kuntry]

fblb I would knife him, guns are for pussies....

outrightmike I would put him down before he gets anyone.

Tommy thanks for the advice, but I am a fool I guess no disrespect.

[fblb]

Wow a knife, you are so cool! Quick question, How would you put him down if you ain't there? LOL.

[outrightmike]

just remember it only takes a second to ruin a kids life.

[ShakaZ]

There is yet another problem. You "look at him like a pissed off teenager", it's an animal not a human being....you need to separate them into different classes they don't have as complex feelings as humans do.

He might change, he might not getting his "nuts cut"....I still can't figure out why you would take a chance when your children are involved. Just because your kid says he ain't worried, it's all good? I will be god damned if my animal growls at me in my house. Whatever you do it seems like you don't have the testicular fortitude to give the animal a dirt nap. Do what you want.
Fuckin right. That's why I said do what you want just keep the damn thing out the headlines.

[gog123]

kuntry it might break your heart but if a dog i was feeding went for me itll be dead 100%. Prevention is better than a cure and last thing breed needs is a man biter story in the pappers.

[gog123]

a knife because guns are for pussies...so inflicting pain and not ending the dogs life quickest way possible doesnt make you a pussy?

Comments as silly as that you deserve a good bite on the arse as a wake up call just hope its not one of your kids who pays the price.

[MISSAPBT]

If he gets worst and you arent wanting to put him down, then highly controlled situations are the key.
"Keep one if you must, but be careful."
Although my boy hasnt biten anyone, i no he is not good around male strangers so i will chain him, my old bitch was HA and i would also conrtol situations well, no incidents

[CLKENNELS]

I used to be one to murk a hound if he bit me ... I think BB helped me out with my questions a year ago... It sounds like he didn't grow up with you.. It sounds like he feels safe with the ol' lady and the kids..I think that his last owner who played the Alfa role treated him like shit.
I'm not tryna give you advice on what to do but I don't think he will harm the bay baes.. If he so much as growls at the kids I say do him in.. But I doubt he will.. Sounds like he just need to be man handled and put in his place which you are doing..
I will say if you got room outside to keep him at that's where he should be just in case..
Lastly if he is too much for you to handle I'm sure someone else in this world can deal so just shoot me a pm and u can just send him to me...
Good luck...

[Kuntry]

I'm not trying to be badass, simply stating I always got my blade on me I'm not a pistol packing dog whisperer like most on here. If he came at me I would stick him if it came to that. I guess I should be a troll and not post much. I plan on working with him, and being
the alpha male, he's not too much to handle just needs some time and handling I believe.
I'm gonna get the papers and see where he comes from and see if the kennels dogs have
history doing this.

I think he was mistreated and went from pet to neglect and I got him and been showing him some love.

As far as the teenager with full ball statement, I guess since the breed has such a bad rep I should treat him like a loaded gun with a hair trigger. I get it. Thanks again for the responses.

[viegas703]

I'm not trying to be badass, simply stating I always got my blade on me I'm not a pistol packing dog whisperer like most on here. If he came at me I would stick him if it came to that. I guess I should be a troll and not post much. I plan on working with him, and being
the alpha male, he's not too much to handle just needs some time and handling I believe.
I'm gonna get the papers and see where he comes from and see if the kennels dogs have
history doing this.

I think he was mistreated and went from pet to neglect and I got him and been showing him some love.

As far as the teenager with full ball statement, I guess since the breed has such a bad rep I should treat him like a loaded gun with a hair trigger. I get it. Thanks again for the responses.

Before you decide to quit on these forums just keep in mind your getting the usual NOOB ass raping everyone gets. I got it the worst and their givin it to you good man. But look, take the advice people give, ignore some of the dickhead comments and youll be good. At the end of the day, these are people that know much more than me and you about the breed and they are just trying to protect their favorite dog breed for getting more media time. Stick in there, good luck with your dog as im sure you can make a turn around.

[MISSAPBT]

I learnt from reading posts before i started posting ya gotta have tough skin to post on this forum LOL.

[ben brockton]

whatever you do YOU are the one that has to live with your decision. better safe then sorry a pet can be replaced.

[Kuntry]

Thanks I know about catching heat on here for being a newb.:D

Some good advice and I am all ears. Not going to give up on the forum just word my posts a little smarter.

[peppapig]

if the dog is manny and you cant correct it... have it put to sleep,or 9mm type ear plug....whatever is easiest for you and the dog.jmo

[CLKENNELS]

Thanks I know about catching heat on here for being a newb.:D

Some good advice and I am all ears. Not going to give up on the forum just word my posts a little smarter.

Post your words the same as you feel... Some people try to put emotions behind the text...
AAAAAAAnyway.... If you feel the lil kiddies are in danger,do what you got to do.. If you are the only one thats havin a problem wit the dog, see if you can handle him...If you cant pass him to somebody that can..
Hell, Maybe your a ugly SOB that only a mother can love!

[quinny]

It's your call mate! It doesn't sound as though you or the dog would have much of a life if you do decide to keep him around. Ive seen it work but it'd shit me to tears before too long! No kids, big yard, alot of patience and no nosy neighbours with dogs = different story. But if i were in that situation it'd be gooooone already!:dogkiss:

[viegas703]

Post your words the same as you feel... Some people try to put emotions behind the text...
AAAAAAAnyway.... If you feel the lil kiddies are in danger,do what you got to do.. If you are the only one thats havin a problem wit the dog, see if you can handle him...If you cant pass him to somebody that can..
Hell, Maybe your a ugly SOB that only a mother can love!


+1 lol....

[kingspoke]

Give him the Rodney King massage, if that doesn't work give him a 40 between the running lights. I like the idea of restricting his freedom to avoid him hurting any children. He has to earn your respect, and shouldn't be challenging you once you establish who is numero uno.

He seems too dangerous to have around children.

[junkyard]

it sounds a little like a dominance issue to me,he is obviously placing himself next to you on the pecking order and feels the need to challenge it there needs to be more to the story for you to get a real educated answer on the subject and it is no subject to be taken lightly, hence why i would like to hear more about the situation, what is in common everytime this happens? your direct movments that bring this on ect.
What is it that you do EXACTLY, when he reacts like this? how do you react voice wise and phyisically towards him? is the rest of the family around when this happens? Does he only act this way in reaction to the other dog you mentioned, or has he or can you see him trying to take the same aproach if your partner was involved.

ive had a male who would try to seperate me and my ex if we were playing around being vocal and a bit pushy for a laugh, he saw me as a threat to her and would seperate us with his body and growl a little.

i would honestly put him down regardless of the situation but if you want to keep him its on you. if you have to put him down and you are not going to shoot him, take him to the vet and do it the right way, hes not a pig, nor is he a person, hes a dog, and sticking with your knife, in my eyes makes you a dickhead, no offence but saying youl slit his throat comes across at the sort of tough guy who personally i dont want owning one of these dogs.

[Kuntry]

Never said I would stlit his throat, I said I would stick him and take him out if he attacked me, I am not gonna backwoods butcher the dog with a blade.. But if he bites me he's gonna get whatever I get my hands on blade, gun, frying pan etc. not trying to put off a tough guy I already explained that. Sorry to come off as a dickhead saying I would use a knife. This is what I meant by the knife statement...I will chose my words a little wiser and have the dog put down if need be.

Junkyard the only "detail" left out is another spayed female. When shit goes down it's like prison tension, or something with alot of tension in the air. I rotate the dogs out, there's never problems unless the black bitch is coming in heat. When she does the tries to get rid of the spayed dog.

Other than that if he feels threatened or he shows bad behavior I am usually bowed up, like I was all pumped up my body language would be like I am about to whoop some ass. I often cuss and yell too. Is this something I am doing wrong. The dogs have their own room and are in and out all day.

I feel like if a cusss and get fired up its my house not his and I am not walking on egg shells because of him. He growls I handle the situation the best I can, I calm him, get him out of the tense enviroment and I build his trust with work and woods time.

He humps,humps,humps blankets, etc. and just turned 2 in april. My black bitch is coming in heat to. Hope this helps.:o

[Yardboy]

Ok, why the hell do you have 2 completely INTACT RESCUE DOGS!? Both should be fixed to prevent a litter of unknown ancestry. Second, isn't that male a blue dog??? Here's my advice (like it matters:rolleyes:) fix the bitch. Accidents happen, plain and simple, doesn't take long. Second..........SHOOT THE FUCKING DOG...SHOOT THE FUCKING DOG...SHOOT THE FUCKING DOG... He's only two, which means he's still maturing. He's already shown that he's not going to submit to you and like you said, it's your house. When I yell in my home, my dogs duck their head down. Shit, Ernie runs upstairs and hides under the bed. And I've never done anything more than a smack on the hind end. He has no loyalty to you and it will get worse the older he gets. And one day he'll grow the nuts to bite especially if he ain't getting the fuck knocked out of him for growling and testing the waters. There's solid tempermant bulldogs all over the world, shoot that SOB and go get one. The kids will love it, it will grow up knowing it's place in the family, and you will have an experiences breeder who will be able to help you cause he should know his stock. Best part, if you stick around you'll most likely meet someone who would gladly give you a good solid bulldog with papers for free just for being responsible enough to reconize a bad apple and taking the proper steps to ensure it doesn't bite anyone.

"WHAT IF" one of the kids yells someday????
SHOOT THE FUCKING DOG!!!

[Kuntry]

Yardboy I see you can't stress enough to put a bullet in him. What's the point in an experienced breeder if all is lies and forged papers. I mean if papers don't mean anything and or not accurate what's so experienced about that in tracking history or ped.

I am just saying as I am inexperienced compared to this board.

[ReleaseTheHounds]

I cannot wrap my head around why you have multiple intact rescue dogs. You have stated several things:

1) You have no intention of breeding
2) You think the female coming into heat causes this issue with the male

Why can't you put 1 + 2 together and fix the damn dog and bitch if you want to try to keep the male around. It sounds like it would certainly reduce the issue.

Personally, I won't keep a dog that shows aggression or threat displays to me - if the dog doesn't respond to a little behavior work, good bye.

[junkyard]

Kuntry, have you ever been around any two dogs having a scrap? not bulldogs but any? with bulldogs its a hell of alot more intense, but when any dog is riled up and scrapping your energy will make them worse if you too are riled up, a bulldog will thrive on that shit. stay as calm as you possibly can. im bnot gonna jump on you about the intact dog yardboy has said enough but i am of the same opinion. i think it goes deeper than this but staying calm is paramount on these situations for them to go smooth.
a real simple solution would be to spay the intact bitch, but something tells me if it will find a way of happening again if he wants it too.
get that male and exercise the crap out of him, non of these are a full solution to the problem but they as a whole may help calm things down.
try that and see what happens, but as a two year old i think you may be in for some work. do a search on behavier on here and aggresion situations im sure there are 100 plus threads you can find usefull to your situation.
im thinking you may have some hard work ahead of you as you dont realy know what was done before you got the dogs. good luck.

[junkyard]

kuntry the reason alot of us are saying pts is because your story rings true of so many others and alot of them end up in tears. its simply passion, and not one of us likes a pitbull as another statistic. thats all.

[Kuntry]

junkyard you seem to be a wise member, I know 99.9% want me to smoke this dog. My black bitch came to me after a divorce and I lost my other dogs to the ex. She's special to me and onday I want to find a good male to breed with. This male came to me because he was to much for the previous owners with small children, my kids are older than the previous owners children. I will research some more and be careful the kids are not allowed around him until I figure him out.

junkyard I know you can't save them all, and I will be careful I want to listen and not seem like I got my mind set. I have seen dogs scrap, I am 34 now and have been around.

The male is gonna get worked the old owner jogged him over 3 miles a day and sometimes he doesnt get tired on my excercise routine. So I gotta step it up to wear him out more to try and calm things. I am not scared of the hard work, nor fear him with the kids. I hope I am not being stubborn and you guys are patient with me.

[peppapig]

Give him the Rodney King massage, if that doesn't work give him a 40 between the running lights. I like the idea of restricting his freedom to avoid him hurting any children. He has to earn your respect, and shouldn't be challenging you once you establish who is numero uno.

He seems too dangerous to have around children.:rofl: :hipsbat: "rodney king massage".......that is funny as fuck....im stealing that.....:D:D

[Yardboy]

Well, the point here is to get to know the breeder and know them as an honest person. No papers are exactly correct, but if someone has bred several generations of a family of dogs, then they know what to expect or what the goal is in a breeding and would be able to spot a problem better. I understand that your bitch is a good dog and means a lot to you but my personal opinion is that being a good pet isn't good enough of a reason to breed. Breeding should only be done to try to improve the breed as a whole. That's why I leave it to experienced folks. Seriously, that male is a problem. He was too much for them and he's gonna be too much for you too. If there were no kids i'd say maybe, but it don't matter how big a kid is, a bulldog can kill a grown man if he ain't careful. And even if the kids could fight the dog off, they could still be permanently scarred and like was said before, you owe it to those kids to give them a safe evironment. No kid should have to live in a possible threat when it could be easily solved with a .45 and replaced with a dog worth it's feed. That piece of shit ain't worth feedin if it's growling at the hand that feeds it. I got a pup who has an issue with this right now that I'm working with and don't think for a second that bitch will get by with it when she's grown cause if she don't learn now she never will. Shoot the fuckin dog man.

[Kuntry]

Yardboy shes more than a house pet to me, I have worked her on hogs and shes doing good. Had her on a few hunts with some seasoned dogs and she's got the spirit man.

My kids are not full time, it's split custody and there are hardly around this dog. I am the one who he has shown ha too. I have to admit after junkyard told me about being more calm in situations seems to make since. I get wound up pretty tight sometimes and he knows it.

If HA is shown again he will be disposed of. This is his time to do right or his time is up. Yardboy the black bitch is part of my life now, I don't want to fix her and if he has to go and I get me a pup off of her oneday I will do so.

I see what you mean about getting to know the breeder, I am just learning about peds. Seems like I def. joined the right forum. I appreciate all the feedback:cool:

[Yardboy]

Well, she's your dog. If she hunts good for you that'd be a reason I suppose. Just make sure the male is worthy too. Dont breed her to that blue POS. LOL. Seriously, I'd bury and replace his ass no questions asked without a second thought. You'd be a lot happier in the long run. Nobody likes culling dogs, I put a bitch down for showin her teeth at me and acting out one time. She slept in the bed with me from a young age, but at a year and a half she started acting funny. It wasn't easy, I still think about that bitch sometimes, but it ain't worth the risk.

[Kuntry]

Yardboy, that's why I started this thread. I was reading on here and didn't want him knocking her up if he's a problem dog. I am not trying to be a backyard breeder and screw up the breed by passing on bad traits. I am a quick learner and hope to have some fine dogs in the future.

[junkyard]

another thing you havent elaborated on Kuntry is the places the dogs have in your house hold. so you have 3, are all three house dogs? are they around in a group only when you are around or are thgey a pack togethger all the time? do you crate and seperate or do the dogs have chain spots? if you have all three dogs loose together all the time? dont be offended for me asking, but the simplest things aint so simple for some.

Are all three dogs rescues?

[Yardboy]

I did notice on that "pix of you" thread that your bitch was on a pretty shottie looking cable tie out. Didn't want to say anything right from the word go cause you're new on here, but I would definitely look into some better tie outs. Don't know if your yard is fenced or whatever, just seen that one and in the pic. Not trying to be a dick or anything. Also, I noticed you said you just want to own some good bulldogs. Part of that comes with being honest with yourself. Honestly, is this male something you really want? Most blue dogs ate bred for one thing and one thing only.......to be blue. That's it. Not cause they're good at anything or have any desireable traits. Just because they're blue. You do what you want, but I'm pretty new at the dogs too and I want the same thing you want. Good solid honest bulldogs. And honestly I'd shoot that blue piece of shit without blinking an eye and go get a dog that showed me what I wanted to see. And in the end I'd be glad I did. Hesitating to cull when it needs culled will always hold you back. Just my 2€.

[Kuntry]

junkyard the dogs are seperated the black dogs used to rotate with the spayed female and male. Not anymore as I have learned heat cycles and a stupid male around will make a bitch go territory and pecking order crazy. So they were seperate each with a bedroom, or two outside one inside rotation. Now the spayed dog doesnt see sight of the others at all.

Yes all three were found strays or given to me. Yardboy the cable tie out is petsmart shit, we have a tether law enforced here.I used it to let them use the bathroom not to stay on, they are ok you have to inspect the ends after every use. I have a 6' fenced back yard now privacy panel style.

I am not taking you guys advice lightly, I will do the right thing. I am not going to have a headline story. I see the importance now I have read back through this. I know where you guys are coming from I watched these boys cull em for a long time now.

I feel you on the "blue" thing I m gonna get the mutts papers and see where and what he is. And it can be educational for me to learn on. He's good size for the hogs, very powerful dog and not to big for the briars and thick stuff. I haven't introduce him into a hog only woods time getting him to listen.

[AmericanDogMan]

I couldnt keep my mouth shut. ;)

Look man; If you aint going putem down.

Cut his nut's. Do us all a favor. He aint supposed to be breeding if he's a "rescue" :cool:. Your adding to the problem (right).

Just do it, Alot of states do it for free when it comes to pitbulls. Take the dog and getem fixed. Or you should see yourself as the destruction of the breed. A rescuer with no sense. Any dog can make pups at anytime. You should be on Animal Planet.

No two thoughts about it. Getem fixed then if dat dont work putem' to sleep.

Headline
Step father sees warning signs. Post on pitbull forum does nothing kills his wife's kids. Does 2 years. That's if I was judge LMAO. Boy if I was the father of them kids I'd have a talk with you

[Kuntry]

The father of the kids have been around him and approved the dog, he's a lawyer. laugh it up.

Why should I be on Animal Planet?

If I was trying to destruct the breed I would have sold him already to one of the local drug boys to do what ever they do with them. Every gas station I go to someone wants him or a pup. I am considering putting him down, or cutting his nuts.

Or I could be destructive to the breed and not ask for help, mate him to my black bitch and give the dogs to the worse people I can find. Now that would be destructive.

If it is a news report it will be him mauling me not the wife and kids. I have gotten the advice I need and this thread can be closed if need be.

Keep an eye out on the news for that headline.:rolleyes:

[Yardboy]

Oh shit, I knew it was coming..........:eek:

[fblb]

Only way to have fine dogs is to only keep fine dogs.

[PERRO]

I'm confused. The title of your thread read "Man Biter question". So you know he's a man biter or at least you think he is but you still want to keep him? If you don't plan on breeding, and he's not cut get him cut. I don't think it will change his behavior much but you can try. If that doesn't change him put him to sleep. With kids or not it's never worth the risk.

[DEATH-GRIP]

Their is no tolerance for a man bitter especially if you have children !!! Accident waiting to happen & do-not give him away he must be put down !

[peppapig]

lets see a pic of said dog kuntry!!just seems as your a newbie that most of your posts have been about a man biting dog.

[Kuntry]

I am a newb dammit, he's in my pics on here. Perro not trying to confuse but I am new and should have worded my thread a little wiser. Sumbitch aint bit me and if he growls again I will put him down, I get it.

[MISSAPBT]

Maybe the title should have be renamed. :D

[Kuntry]

Maybe the title should have be renamed. :D

No doubt, I learned my lesson on wording my topics and info better.

I wasn't trying to be an idiot or ass....

[Super Sport]

Didn't read the whole thing but I would put him down, before something happens to a kid. No excuses.

[duckmike]

you ever get the idea this thread is going around in a circle and that most of us are wasting are time? you asked for advice and then all you do is give excuses why you won't follow it then you tell us what a bad-ass with a knife you are .I'm not impressed and i think you're foolish

[Kuntry]

you ever get the idea this thread is going around in a circle and that most of us are wasting are time? you asked for advice and then all you do is give excuses why you won't follow it then you tell us what a bad-ass with a knife you are .I'm not impressed and i think you're foolish

Never said I was badass, you are the last person I would want to impress. Thank you go back to sleep. This thread is Over.:rolleyes:

[ReleaseTheHounds]

Never said I was badass, you are the last person I would want to impress. Thank you go back to sleep. This thread is Over.:rolleyes:

See the internet is a funny little thing. You can't start a thread for advice then when you don't like the answers tell people the thread is over, you opened your question up to public viewing and response and that is what you will get.

I don't understand why you don't just get the male snipped. It might help, it might not. However, the alternative is giving him a dirt nap and you seem to want to give him more chances. You mention his trigger is your bitch going into heat, so obviously he is very hormonal. Fixing him might help, and if it doesn't you didn't lose a damn thing because you said yourself he is a rescue that should not be bred. If it doesn't help, he gets a dirt nap - but if it does help, wouldn't you be glad you tried? I just see no reason for this rescue dog to be intact...

I have no issue with intact animals for breeding or working purposes. I have no issue with intact pets even if the owner is responsible enough to ensure they don't mate, but it sounds like in the case of your guy this might be a shot in the dark to chill him out a bit. The chances may be slim but what do you have to lose?

[Kuntry]

well I worded it wrong he's not a rescue from a shelter he was given to me. I do like the advice I was given. Some of it may be very beneficial. When I said the thread is over I got the answer to my question I don't need people to keep responding about me being bad ass with a knife.

If any one of you fuckers were getting mauled by a dog and you carried a knife would you not use it to save your life? That is what I meant.

The internet is a funny thing I am not going any where I like the forum. I haved started more excercise and time with him one on one also. I have changed my body language with the dog I am more calm and relaxed when I handle him and it's showing good signs.
the tension is down.

[ben brockton]

:moony::vovvetliten:

[Kuntry]

:lala: Here ya go!

[roughcur calling]

stick him in the fastlane........sink or swim

hell, u fed him so u can see him cur out.......

if he lasts.3x then put him on a chain and starve 4 three days. then let the kids try 2 feed him under supervision.

never 4get we r jus a glorified can opener.......people can keep dogs but dont confuze dem wit friendz!!!!!!!!!!!!!:dogdrink:

[Yardboy]

WTF.........:rolleyes:

[outrightmike]

stick him in the fastlane........sink or swim

hell, u fed him so u can see him cur out.......

if he lasts.3x then put him on a chain and starve 4 three days. then let the kids try 2 feed him under supervision.

never 4get we r jus a glorified can opener.......people can keep dogs but dont confuze dem wit friendz!!!!!!!!!!!!!:dogdrink:
:confused: meth is a hell of a drug!:eek:

[fblb]

Charlie murphy!

[junkyard]

some one needs to come down on that shit!

[Kuntry]

:thumbsup:

[roughcur calling]

kuntry .......your dog seems to be a prime candidate for a bait dog.

now if he turns out like bullyson id keep him nuts and all :D

no dog is kin to me but he would get his chance to impress.......i dont call my mutts game thats for other to judge.

if my cur wants to taste me he better of tasted a bonafide champion and shined, lol!

there are rough curs, curs and rank curs..........he seems to be the latter, lol!

remember game dogs end up useless and dead game dogs r.i.p

people have pits as pets, i just run rough curs :dogstare:and the odd game dog :dogkiss:

[Laced Wit Game]

bait dogs huh?:rolleyes:

[ReleaseTheHounds]

Bait dogs? Man my eyes are rolling so hard they are about to fall out of my head.

I either smell bacon or something fishy. :rolleyes:

You sure seem to love your curs too.

[Laced Wit Game]

nothin wrong with lovin your currs lol

get em fixxed and put em to work somewhere else where they prosper.

[ReleaseTheHounds]

Didn't mean it that way, just never seen someone talk about curs so damn much in every post - even his user name has cur in it.

[outrightmike]

he should be used as pp bait man.:D

[Yardboy]

kuntry .......your dog seems to be a prime candidate for a bait dog.

now if he turns out like bullyson id keep him nuts and all :D

no dog is kin to me but he would get his chance to impress.......i dont call my mutts game thats for other to judge.

if my cur wants to taste me he better of tasted a bonafide champion and shined, lol!

there are rough curs, curs and rank curs..........he seems to be the latter, lol!

remember game dogs end up useless and dead game dogs r.i.p

people have pits as pets, i just run rough curs :dogstare:and the odd game dog :dogkiss:
You should switch your family doctor........allow me to refer you to one:
Jack Kevorkian - Pit Bull Forums (http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43642)

[fblb]

ROTFL!!!! That's funny I don't care who you are.

[Yardboy]

Dr. K culls hard!!!!!:D

[roughcur calling]

;)so i guess you fellas run low down belly scratching game dogs....lol!

until you meet a rough cur......

[fblb]

You should change your name to Dumbcop_calling, better luck next time.

[DirtyD]

I have a cur..he licks his balls pretty rough :dogkiss:

[Kuntry]

Two guys walking down the street see a dog licking his balls, one guys says to the other "I wished I could do that". The guy looks at him and says," Don't you think you should at least pet him first":D

[roughcur calling]

I have a cur..he licks his balls pretty rough :dogkiss:

comes from a great line.....lol!

sire was gr.ch.jeep from rankcur bo and dam was honeybunch out of famous roughcur bullyson!

[AGame]

comes from a great line.....lol!

sire was gr.ch.jeep from rankcur bo and dam was honeybunch out of famous roughcur bullyson!


well shit can you name one that you consider a game dog there rough

[DirtyD]

comes from a great line.....lol!

sire was gr.ch.jeep from rankcur bo and dam was honeybunch out of famous roughcur bullyson!

Oh my god you guys are killing me here LOL :lolbangtable:

[DirtyD]

Two guys walking down the street see a dog licking his balls, one guys says to the other "I wished I could do that". The guy looks at him and says," Don't you think you should at least pet him first":D
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

[Dream Pits]

You should switch your family doctor........allow me to refer you to one:
Jack Kevorkian - Pit Bull Forums (http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43642)
lmfao, cull hard

[roughcur calling]

well shit can you name one that you consider a game dog there rough

well now you fellas are asking....
it will be the one standing over the dog thats on the floor!

plenty of roughcurs out there from ac/dc, smart and the philippines.

gamedogs are rare and always will the rest are just curs, lol!

i like mine rough....hell they might even turn out to be game!
but you don't wanna find that out....it wont be pretty.

[junkyard]

i tell you what dude for someone with nine posts you are have decided to man the fuck up.

[Yardboy]

comes from a great line.....lol!

sire was gr.ch.jeep from rankcur bo and dam was honeybunch out of famous roughcur bullyson!
Jeep never made Gr Ch and Bullyson wasn't no fuckin cur........

[Yardboy]

Roughcur, think your family should have made a few outcrosses two generations before they had you

[roughcur calling]

i tell you what dude for someone with nine posts you are have decided to man the fuck up.

hell brother since jeep was they second coming of christ, aint no one allowed to voice an opinion, lol!

been here before but will get banned just the same, lol!

ps the box brings the truth with it

[DirtyD]

Roughcur, think your family should have made a few outcrosses two generations before they had you

:lolup: I love this thread, it just keeps getting better and better!

[rallyracer]

i tell you what dude for someone with nine posts you are have decided to man the fuck up.


....momma said "life is like a box of chocolates"

[junkyard]

but jeep wasnt the second coming of christ your wrong.
what he was , was a champion bulldog who produced alot of great offspring.

maybee you should seek out some tight jeep blood and give it a try, maybee you wont have so many "rough curs" eating all your food and shitting on a spot they dont deserve.

[roughcur calling]

but jeep wasnt the second coming of christ your wrong.
what he was , was a champion bulldog who produced alot of great offspring.

maybee you should seek out some tight jeep blood and give it a try, maybee you wont have so many "rough curs" eating all your food and shitting on a spot they dont deserve.

i take my chances with my rough curs thanks, lol!

i dont think theres any room left on the jeep bandwagon, lol!

[Yardboy]

i take my chances with my rough curs thanks, lol!

i dont think theres any room left on the jeep bandwagon, lol!
You're gonna lose a lot of money in your lifetime......

[Yardboy]

....momma said "life is like a box of chocolates"
This is clearly the result of extreme inbreeding.......

[DirtyD]

....I am running out of laughing icons.... :lolbangtable:

[Kuntry]

what is a "rough cur" I thought a cur was a hunting dog that didn't hunt:confused:

[junkyard]

dumber than a box of rocks

[Kuntry]

dumber than a box of rocks

Hey I was just asking you ain't gotta call me dumb.:D

[Yardboy]

Cur=quitter is the short response. But all dogs will quit at some point unless it's dead game or gets picked up.

[Yardboy]

Not the same meaning as what hunters use.

[roughcur calling]

what is a "rough cur" I thought a cur was a hunting dog that didn't hunt:confused:

cur is a dog used for many things. but where found wanting in the box. the term was also used to slander a man and his dog. but a game dog is a site to behold!

its like a compliment.... which is paid to you by your peers.

but folks on here think its a god damn right given to them by bit of paper!!

[Yardboy]

A cur is a cur is a cur.....I don't give a fuck if it's rough, rank, or just plain cur, it gets a hole in the head and a shallow grave for being a worthless piece of shit. Anybody who brags about having rough curd needs a new mentor and has a lot to learn. Papers don't make a dog game, only a good test will tell you that. Don't feed the curs or the trolls......

[roughcur calling]

A cur is a cur is a cur.....I don't give a fuck if it's rough, rank, or just plain cur, it gets a hole in the head and a shallow grave for being a worthless piece of shit. Anybody who brags about having rough curd needs a new mentor and has a lot to learn. Papers don't make a dog game, only a good test will tell you that. Don't feed the curs or the trolls......

every dog is a cur until PROVEN otherwise........

that sums up 80% all pits!

folks just like to think their dog is GAME i like to KNOW!

[Yardboy]

I'm not interested in hearing about what you know, let's talk about what you don't know:
1. Jeep wasn't a grand champion
2. Bullyson was game
3. A cur is a bad thing

[Yardboy]

4. Where the hell do you get 80% from. If it ain't tested you don't know and can't get the figures. A dog doesn't magically become game while being tested. It either is or isn't. You just don't know until you test it.

[roughcur calling]

4. Where the hell do you get 80% from. If it ain't tested you don't know and can't get the figures. A dog doesn't magically become game while being tested. It either is or isn't. You just don't know until you test it.

the vast majority of owners dont test let alone cull but they sure as shit breed!

[Yardboy]

Can't argue with that.........

[Kuntry]

:crap: just thought it was funny not arguing.

[peppapig]

Two guys walking down the street see a dog licking his balls, one guys says to the other "I wished I could do that". The guy looks at him and says," Don't you think you should at least pet him first":Dold one.....but a good one.....:D:D

[Kuntry]

old one.....but a good one.....:D:D

I only recently heard it and I about spit drink all over the computer.:)

[roughcur calling]

if you want a chance of owning a game dog get him from a dogman not a breeder. there easy to tell apart;

breeder will come running up with the mutts peds!

a dogman's pup will have the parents close by and they will be full of holes!

ps a dogman will sooner give you old scooter whose best days are behind him rather than a gold plated pup!

[Kuntry]

if you want a chance of owning a game dog get him from a dogman not a breeder. there easy to tell apart;

breeder will come running up with the mutts peds!

a dogman's pup will have the parents close by and they will be full of holes!

ps a dogman will sooner give you old scooter whose best days are behind him rather than a gold plated pup!

I am a new guy and I believe all of this.

[Yardboy]

Shit is startin to smell like the stock yards round here. :eek:

[Yardboy]

Don't believe all of it, old scooter will more likely be kept as a retired stud and be the daddy of that "gold plated pup"

[Laced Wit Game]

:confused: WTF is going on???? :confused:

[Laced Wit Game]

it seems as if YB is giving me some competition as the sites smart ass! lol

[roughcur calling]

Don't believe all of it, old scooter will more likely be kept as a retired stud and be the daddy of that "gold plated pup"

your right but you think like a breeder. dogmen are not looking for a constant revenue stream. they know old scooter wont be competing. the pup is for the future and he has lost most of his learning his craft. the dog game takes time! if your honest and trustworthy he'll sure as shit give you his yard!

no man is an island....we are all standing on the shoulders of others.....here endeth the sermon, amen .

[Laced Wit Game]

A cur is a cur is a cur.....I don't give a fuck if it's rough, rank, or just plain cur, it gets a hole in the head and a shallow grave for being a worthless piece of shit. Anybody who brags about having rough curd needs a new mentor and has a lot to learn. Papers don't make a dog game, only a good test will tell you that. Don't feed the curs or the trolls......

a little harsh but he's right ;)

[roughcur calling]

a little harsh but he's right ;)

NEVER FORGET.......youngens!

NOT ALL DOGS THAT LOSE ARE CURS MOREOVER NOT ALL DOGS THAT WIN ARE GAME .

[Laced Wit Game]

i didnt mean it like that, all im sayin is make friends in all revenues. (dock diving, weight pull, pig hunt, hang time, ect.), get your currs fixxed and put em to work somewhere else where theylle succeed and not be looked on as rejects lol!

[Laced Wit Game]

all dogs are curs at some point

[DirtyD]

Couldnt of said it better laced!

[roughcur calling]

all dogs are curs at some point

the dog game is a harsh mistress and many dont have the stomach for it. a GAME animal is hard to find and even harder to produce....its a life's work.

theres better ways to enjoy animals BUT they will never be GAME.

[Yardboy]

Sad part is I wasn't even trying:D......if I was I would have responded with something like....."Tell me more oh wise one".........

[Yardboy]

it seems as if YB is giving me some competition as the sites smart ass! lol

Forgot the quote.....

[junkyard]

kuntry i wasnt saying you were the box of rocks i was talking about trollcur.

trollcur, all i am seeing from you is a bunch of shit that is seeming to be said for arguments sake, "every dog is a cur till proven otherwise" that is the attitude that has helped fill your yard up with shit dogs, you keep refering to as rough curs.

go in through the whole process with that attitude, and you will own nothing but curs till the day you die, but on the other hand you seem pretty happy with that anyways.

[peppapig]

Roughcur, think your family should have made a few outcrosses two generations before they had you ding ding ding......we have a winner:D:D:D:D :cheerleader2:

[roughcur calling]

go in through the whole process with that attitude, and you will own nothing but curs till the day you die, but on the other hand you seem pretty happy with that anyways.

i know a man that was able to chat to Pete sparks.....

he told him "don't go on what you have read or heard but what you have seen"

the only time you will SEE a GAME dog will be in the box. I've seen a FEW but seems folks got dozens on their yards, lol!

[quinny]

Let the man feed his shit eaters, he seems more than happy too!:D

only time you will SEE a GAME dog will be in the box Might be the best way, but not the only way;). Every dogs gonna quit on you at some stage, but fuck to happily rant on about a yard full of "rough curs" PFFFT.

I've seen a FEW If you've seen a few why not learn a thing or two from them instead of holding your cur badge up so righteously!?!?

[roughcur calling]

If you've seen a few why not learn a thing or two from them instead of holding your cur badge up so righteously!?!?

my friend it seems humility is wasted on this site, lol!

i dont call my dogs game thats what OTHERS have done to the cost.

aint no hiding place in the box!

[quinny]

aint no hiding place in the box! Plenty of walls for your curs to jump though I'd imagine :rolleyes:

[junkyard]

oh SNAP:dogkiss:

[quinny]

The shit from this "rough cur/prison fucker" has had me and a few mates in stitches all day! Smells like a rotten pussy!:D

[Butch&Luna mmmm]

When one of my dogs would try to bite me and being humann aggressive, I would say good Bye to him and sent it to heaven.

[deadgam33]

man shoot this dog already stop thinking about it.

[ben brockton]

"all dogs are curs at some point" that ain't true at all. plenty of dogs proven there wasn't no cur in them. they are called gamedogs.

[Kuntry]

Man I like this damn dog and if he does bite me I still probally keep this mofo. Sounds crazy I know...

[MCS]

thought this thread was dead LOL

[Kuntry]

fuk i mean he's "blue" man and growled one time you know I need to kill that sumbitch. lol I mean he ain't 31lbs. and pit proven.

[catchdog]

yeah keep him,so he will bite yer ass, where is yer logic, explain

[Kuntry]

Well catch, if I can call you that. I have been raised racing horses, real flighty, free spirited animals, if you trust them you can win...If you don't you are just a mere competitor wasting his time and effort working to train to win that next event... But when you trust an animal and you spend time with one you can easily explain it in person or in front of someone as a goofy ass dog or a killer that needs a bullet. I trust my judgement, I guess I could have had a better choice of words for my first posts but I aint making any excuses for this dog,if he was to bite me he would have done it already is what I am saying.

[Yardboy]

fuk i mean he's "blue" man and growled one time you know I need to kill that sumbitch. lol I mean he ain't 31lbs. and pit proven.
I know you're being sarcastic, but honestly, you're right. The dog is blue, shows aggression toward it's owner, and hasn't displayed any qualities that make it a desireable representative of the breed. Makes more sense to me to put the F'er down and get another one that meets all the desired traits. Why waste money feeding a blue cur that you can't turn your back on???? Doesn't make any sense.

[Kuntry]

He's agile, he listens to commands, he stops when I stop walking. He's not food aggresive, he is almost as fast as my female on the ground which is half his size. He plays as much as the rest and doesn't show any lack of nothing but his place in the pecking order which I have been working withl. And he growled at me a couple times when he thought I might hurt him which I wasn't it was just tension and bad body language which has changed due to this great forum. Now I handle him different and he get's twice the exercise.

[ReleaseTheHounds]

Man I like this damn dog and if he does bite me I still probally keep this mofo. Sounds crazy I know...

Sounds selfish to me personally. You got kids involved, it the dog puts his teeth on someone in your family he needs to go because he will probably do it again. If he bites you today, he could bite your kid tomorrow - there is nothing special about a dog that will bite the hand that feeds it.

[outrightmike]

keep it from the kids,since you keeping it.im watching a man bitter but no kids,and loves me and his owner but anyone els stay away.if your were he can get ya,your treespasing.its alot of responsibility.and not to be taken lightly.

[Kuntry]

Well I don't take it lightly, and not to much selfish either the kids are not here much..anyway he ain't bit yet, jsut some growls.

[HighCoastHiker]

Well catch, if I can call you that. I have been raised racing horses, real flighty, free spirited animals, if you trust them you can win...If you don't you are just a mere competitor wasting his time and effort working to train to win that next event... But when you trust an animal and you spend time with one you can easily explain it in person or in front of someone as a goofy ass dog or a killer that needs a bullet. I trust my judgement, I guess I could have had a better choice of words for my first posts but I aint making any excuses for this dog,if he was to bite me he would have done it already is what I am saying.


I went back and read your original post and the conversation that has brought you to this point.

I know you't already getting plenty of well-deserved shit, so I won't add much more.

My feelings are these;
if you truly knew what to do and how to handle this situation you wouldn't have typed the first post.

I really don't care if the dog bites you or not, but I do share concern for your family and children.

Many of us here have kept or keep man-biting dogs. Dogs are dogs and any dog will a little dignity will bite if pushed enough; whether pushed fairly or unfairly.

Like I said, I've kept iffy dogs. However, the guardian-angel that prevented a child from being attacked by an iffy dog that would never bite me and which I thought I had in control right in my kitchen convinced me that even if I were offered a dog with a ped so perfect it came chiseled on a solid gold tablet, it ate nothing but air every night and shit platinum bricks every morning, and was a proven quintuple grand-champion, I would have to pass.

No dog or ego-trip is worth scars on my kids. We're not talking about race-horses here.

[roughcur calling]

"all dogs are curs at some point" that ain't true at all. plenty of dogs proven there wasn't no cur in them. they are called gamedogs.

they're also DEAD that what dead game means........i dont ever want to see that. pick him up. hell its hard enough to campaign a mutt to Ch. with out him getting beyond repair..........do right by him and give him some pu-tang :dogtongue:

[roughcur calling]

Man I like this damn dog and if he does bite me I still probally keep this mofo. Sounds crazy I know...

hope its you and not the kids:mad:

[Kuntry]

Highcoast my responses changed along with my attitude as soon as I said I heard enough feedback. I had options ya know dirt nap, behaviourist, 3xthe exercise and discipline to
let him know his place is not the head of the household, cutting his nuts etc...

[Dunlap 1]

I'm with Bobby and Ben. I would shoot him because like you said, you do have kids and the last thing we need is another pitbull report for him biting someone or killing your kids.

[Dunlap 1]

Kuntry, you could always be like Floyd Boudreaux and knock him out with a shovel. Put on some long sleeves and a towl's under the shirt. Push him to the limit and IF he attacks you, beat the hell out of him...get really angry and beat the living shit out him till he can't take it....lol I did it with my female and she stopped real quick. There is a thing that causes dogs brains to swell or gives them headaches like humans. Maybe a simple trip to the vet will determine what is wrong. I know you said you have had enough info but with a situation like this, take all the advice you can get.

[Kuntry]

Dunlap 1 thanks man I am still taking advice, vet sounds like an option too!

[AmericanDogMan]

they're also DEAD that what dead game means........i dont ever want to see that. pick him up. hell its hard enough to campaign a mutt to Ch. with out him getting beyond repair..........do right by him and give him some pu-tang :dogtongue:

I agree wholeheartedly, with this statement. Although some of the shit you've said is a bit off the wall.

[Kuntry]

only pootang round here is my little black dog and shes coming in heat. Ya'll advised me not to breed him now I need to get him some puss.

[Dunlap 1]

Take him to the vet. Let him decide what is best. I would suggest one that you know. I have 2 vets I go to, Doc Buttler and Doc Sharp. Like you said about horses, there high strung. Dogs aren't any different and they mean well but sometimes them being aggressive means there trying to tell you something. I know when I get hurt or I'm in pain, I get pissed off at the world and anyone who stands in my way. One thing is were did you hit him with the door? Were did you grab him when he was on the couch? These my be signs of skin problems, arthritis, hip displasia, shoulder pains, headaches, etc. Get some tests done and then make your decision. Like horses, sometimes the good ones turn out sour and there is nothing you can do. The only diffenece between horses and dogs are size, weight and teeth! I've raised mustangs there CRAZY! I had one pick my cousin up by his back. We got him cut and that was the end of that. Not saying it works on all animals. Good luck

[AmericanDogMan]

they're also DEAD that what dead game means........i dont ever want to see that. pick him up. hell its hard enough to campaign a mutt to Ch. with out him getting beyond repair..........do right by him and give him some pu-tang :dogtongue:


only pootang round here is my little black dog and shes coming in heat. Ya'll advised me not to breed him now I need to get him some puss.

Dude: no one was talking to you about your dog; I think must have given up hope.

Homie; was the referring to how he label's and handle's his dogs: I referred to his quoted statement as being proper treatment for truly game pit IMO. (that's prior to 1976 that is; no one fights dogs here from what I understand)

[Kuntry]

The door thing was a problem when I first got him I would bust through the doors and he would always be laying on the other side sleep or just waiting on me. The main time I swung in and hit his ribs/hind area. NOW we all knock before we open the door and you can hear him jump up.

[Kuntry]

Dude: no one was talking to you about your dog; I think must have given up hope.

Homie; was the referring to how he label's and handle's his dogs: I referred to his quoted statement as being proper treatment for truly game pit IMO. (that's prior to 1976 that is; no one fights dogs here from what I understand)

My bad man, I read it wrong. I thought he meant my dog needed to get laid.

[deadgam33]

man just shoot that fucking man biter all ready b4 he really does something u goin to regret....:confused::confused::confused::confused:

[Kuntry]

man just shoot that fucking man biter all ready b4 he really does something u goin to regret....:confused::confused::confused::confused:

But I would be shooting a growler not a biter...

[AmericanDogMan]

My bad man, I read it wrong. I thought he meant my dog needed to get laid.

Man: I can appreciate your love for the breed and all, and your interest. My two cents says; go buy some Castillo (good conformation type dogs) Keep em from pups; raise show em' breed and leave the garbage alone. Go get some ofrn pretty UKC dogs: keep the look of the breed alive; push the bully crap into their own breed. Raise em' from pups. Leave the rescue stuff to the soccer moms

And
Stay away from working bulldogs in your current situation (until you know more at least). The kids will have fun handling at shows you know. I'm being real here just throw the dogs out and start over. Do a search on Castillo/Gladiator shit like that. And then you can breed and no one would be mad at you. You'd be doing the breed justice: in look anyway (even collies/bordercollies got show lines)

Dont feed the junk

[deadgam33]

0k a lot of ppl told u already u dont want to listen watch this b another case where owner gets bit then ppl start blaming the hole breed just cause u dont want to get rid of it..

[roughcur calling]

APBT are lovely companion dogs that have high prey drive.......as long as it is directed at a dog you should be able to cope. the minute that dog gets confused about what is the target......hes a liability! personally i dont like dogs........... thats why i prefer these kind of animals. they hate each other. dog and bitch thats fine only if they know im the boss without getting ideas that they can join forces. i dont want to go to shows or parks where there are numerous other gay dogs sniffin each others ass. dogs are basically disgusting animals but they have many redeeming qualities.....being loyal to a fault is one good example. as an owner of said animal you have to constantly power trip on the mutt. reinforce your position over him by food and attention. He shouldnt get either unless he has done something for it......sit, stay, paw. My kids aged 8 and above have the mutt under manners......period! if he dont beg he dont get fed.......stop being a pushover!:dogdrink:

[ReleaseTheHounds]

Well I don't take it lightly, and not to much selfish either the kids are not here much..anyway he ain't bit yet, jsut some growls.

I meant what I said in reference to your quote where you said if he did bite you you would probably even still chose to keep him. With children around I think if he does bite, he needs to go. Even on a secure chain set up in the backyard when kids are around you would have to be super vigilant, you wouldn't want your child to wander into his spot and be bit, etc.

I know he has not bit you yet, I think you saying you'd keep him if he did bite you is foolish though.

[Kuntry]

UPDATE: you don't have to say I told you so I been pushing this dogs buttons every since I made this thread. He was laying frog style today, I walked up behind him and grabbed his legs(didn't spook him) just did what I usually do. He got pissed turned around and growled at me and stared me down...I got better shit to do motherfucker had his chance. If somebody wants this dog he is out of maximum pitbulls. He's done here and free if someone wants him. DID NOT BITE YET JUST GROWLS. GEORGIA HEAT IS GONNA GET HIM.

[Yardboy]

NO.......He's your dog, he's your responsibility. Be a man, take that POS out in the woods, put one between his eyes and let the buzzards feed on him. Least that way you can sleep tonight knowing you did what needed to be done and the birds got a meal out of it. Don't pass your problems on to the next person. It's YOUR responsibility.

[Kuntry]

Yard I know that dude, somebody earlier on in this thread said they may take him off my hands or something. It's really hot outside ole boy musta got dehydrated or something. He's over....R.I.P. Achilles

[Yardboy]

26 min ago you was gonna give him away and now he's rip? That was fast. Oh well........you're better off.

[Kuntry]

I'm not stupid I said early on I would take care of it and be responsible so we can all sleep. I was just giving the fellow a chance he screwed it up without making a headline.

[Yardboy]

Calm down buddy, nobody called you stupid.......well I didn't anyway......just glad to hear he ain't able to bite you or the kids anymore.

[Kuntry]

lmao yard I am calm, I was just sayin I ain't stupid ya know. Taken care of.

[junkyard]

Kuntry, please dont stir the pot by saying that sort of shit, its uncalled for when youve heard the strength of our veiws.

its your choice but you dont need to argue it. no offense

[BoogiemanBlood]

26 min ago you was gonna give him away and now he's rip? That was fast. Oh well........you're better off.
Yep a load of shit. One minute he's available, next minute when somebody calls bullshit he's dead. Yeah right.

If that dog came from the maximus kennels I found on the web you got yourself a bonafide man biter american bully.

[quinny]

UPDATE: you don't have to say I told you so I been pushing this dogs buttons every since I made this thread. He was laying frog style today, I walked up behind him and grabbed his legs(didn't spook him) just did what I usually do. He got pissed turned around and growled at me and stared me down...I got better shit to do motherfucker had his chance. If somebody wants this dog he is out of maximum pitbulls. He's done here and free if someone wants him. DID NOT BITE YET JUST GROWLS. GEORGIA HEAT IS GONNA GET HIM. Don't try to force that shit or responsiblity on someone ele bud. He's your dog you bought him or aquired him, you should have responsibility. Everyone has told oyu what they though, or they would have done. Do something about that dog and get rid of it before it gets rid of someones kids, or even you. It's your dog, Therefore it's your problem!!:confused:

[Yardboy]

Yep a load of shit. One minute he's available, next minute when somebody calls bullshit he's dead. Yeah right.

If that dog came from the maximus kennels I found on the web you got yourself a bonafide man biter american bully. What you get for buying a turd.
That GA heat must be pretty tough stuff:)

[quinny]

Why fuck around with a dog thats more than happy just sitting there. If I was a dog, I'd dig right into ya...

[outrightmike]

hope he can take care of buss not tieing it in the sun with no water.dont believe he r.i.p..do it quik.

[Kuntry]

I didnt buy him man he was a freebee. You want him with the papers I haven't put him to sleep yet the wifes got the car. Don't say load of shit my vet and other places are a couple miles away to put him down. He's secured until she gets home from work.And don't say BULLSHAT if you don't know me. I'm in the city limits you fool I cant just go popping off rounds in my neighborhood.

[outrightmike]

yep,most vets will do it no charge with reason.

[Kuntry]

Why fuck around with a dog thats more than happy just sitting there. If I was a dog, I'd dig right into ya...

No offense sir but I was doing it so my little boys didn't. They are not here this week and i needed to test his temperment since I had been warned by people who know. If my 7 yr. old grabbed him today instead of me I don't want my little one to be scared of dogs much less one that tries to growl and intimidate his dad ya know. thats why I screwed with him, maybe he had a right to growl and spin around since I messed with him. I have listened to alot of advice and it hasnt worked he did it again and hes gotta be dealt with.

[quinny]

You cant have tried too hard mate it's been what, a week? Shouldn't have fucked with him, you stepped the line of trust with a dog that is already showing dominant and aggressive behaviour toward you. You fucked it all up and probably will continue to do so, fuck waiting for the car from your partner, take him for a looooong walk!

[outrightmike]

no no no hell no.not any dog of mine has any right to face me off.unless your toturing it!

[fblb]

You cant have tried too hard mate it's been what, a week? Shouldn't have fucked with him, you stepped the line of trust with a dog that is already showing dominant and aggressive behaviour toward you. You fucked it all up and probably will continue to do so, fuck waiting for the car from your partner, take him for a looooong walk!

Don't matter how long it has been really. What do you mean he shouldn't have fucked with him? His house, his dog...the man has every right to touch his dog or hell even shoot him if he want's. No reason in the world why that dog should have acted the way it did. He did nothing wrong by grabbing the dog. Fuck a dog if it's owner can't mess with it whenever they feel like it. I ain't got no patience for an animal that act's that way to it's owner.

[Kuntry]

You cant have tried too hard mate it's been what, a week? Shouldn't have fucked with him, you stepped the line of trust with a dog that is already showing dominant and aggressive behaviour toward you. You fucked it all up and probably will continue to do so, fuck waiting for the car from your partner, take him for a looooong walk!

It's my house homie, I ain't kissin dogs ass, I will fuck with him or any dog that's in my house. He's crazy and has history apparently or this guy wouldn't have gave me his 1200dollar mutt. I don't need a line of trust with him.

[junkyard]

Kuntry my advice to you is too stop posting on the topic.
If you have made the final choice get it done and let us know, there is no point any of us or you for that matter if hes done arguing back and forth for no reason other than for you to try to save a bit of face,.

If you getting him a dirtnap, welldone got to be a hard choice for you to make, but your doing the right thing.

[quinny]

Most dogs I've grown up around have their limits when it comes to the who what when where and whys that it shows aggression or dominance towards other dogs or people. If not addressed early can become a prick to manage, not even talking bulldogs! So I'd be wary as all hell with a bulldog, Or save yourself the drama and log off and sort that situation out now!! 22 bullets are worth far less than a family!

[quinny]

Lines and trust go hand in hand with any breed mate! And if you cant draw one with a bulldog, he's gonna own your ass for the rest of his life! And good on him from what i can gather...:cool:

[BoogiemanBlood]

I didnt buy him man he was a freebee. You want him with the papers I haven't put him to sleep yet the wifes got the car. Don't say load of shit my vet and other places are a couple miles away to put him down. He's secured until she gets home from work.And don't say BULLSHAT if you don't know me. I'm in the city limits you fool I cant just go popping off rounds in my neighborhood.Listen you said he was RIP earlier. Here's the post in case your lame brain can't remember it.


Yard I know that dude, somebody earlier on in this thread said they may take him off my hands or something. It's really hot outside ole boy musta got dehydrated or something. He's over....R.I.P. Achilles

You tell more stories than mother goose!

[Kuntry]

I didn't say that I didn't remember saying it.:)
I said rip because hes as good as put down. I didn't say I shot him, I took him to the vet, or called animal control to pick him up. I said rip achilles you got me sherlock.

[BoogiemanBlood]

It doesn't take Sherlock to figure out you talk out of both sides of your mouth with neither side knowing wtf they're talking about.

[pit#5]

Considering how non human agression was such an important item with the PB in days gone by, I don't see any reason why it should still not be first on the list of how a PB is still to be.
I feel sure the dog is testing you, so who is next ? Any way even if no body is next , Do you want to get hurt from your own dog? who needs that.

[joelkckit]

you have other options. u can donate it to the drinkers in the P.I. they surely love azucena. hehehe. just kidding. peace.:)

[7mmrowland]

Is this dog dead yet? I have no problem posting a pic of my 4 year old who has a forever scare on her face from a piece a shit ill mannered testing APBT!

[K9_Trainer]

Many of the responses here show a total lack of knowledge about dogs and a complete lack of responsibility as well. The dog is reacting to your behavior and it will only continue to get worse as long as you continue to proceed with tension and uncertainty. Be firm, calm, patient, consistent, and so forth. Don't ever touch your dog in anger. Not only does that make you a coward and a bully, but it's absolutely certain to create more problems than it solves. Spend the $100-150 on a good 6-week training program. It'll help you learn the basics and enable you to help not only this dog, but all of your future dogs.

[99jakc]

Since when has a biter passed this trait on, This is a joke !? good dog to good dog can produce biter !? The Dog is NEVER the problem. You need to find its trigger and i dont mean the one on a gun.

[dayair1]

Since when has a biter passed this trait on, This is a joke !? good dog to good dog can produce biter !? The Dog is NEVER the problem. You need to find its trigger and i dont mean the one on a gun.

You sir are wrong. Aggression can and is passed on in canines, DA and HA. You don't think protection breeds are more HA aggressive than say, labs? This is how people get bit, and children hurt, by people making excuses for their dogs. " He only growls to warn you, but he won't bite", "don't go near him while he's eating, or playing with his ball", " he bit you because you where running" ect, ect!

And to say "the dog is NEVER the problem" is just ignorant.
Now there are times you can manage it, or at times fix it with proper training. But I have seen dogs with a screw loose, that no training in the world was going to make that animal stable.
And yes, sometimes the best thing for a breed is to "find the trigger", so to speak.

[The Manc]

did the op have it put down then,anyone no?

[Bushwick Bill]

send the boy for a dirt nap b4 the kids get bit