Protection animals

[fblb]

There are several breeds of protection animals be it personal protection or a guardian to watch over the yard, and property, but if you were considering a good protection dog for your family, and property which breed would you choose, and why?

[ReleaseTheHounds]

Akita, all day and all night. They are not for the inexperienced owner though, as a primal breed they require a very firm and specific type of owner/discipline.

[Yardboy]

I tell you which breed I wouldn't choose. APBT. Hell no. If any other breed bites an intruder you're probably safe but with an apbt, you most likely to get a hassle and a front page. Last thing the breed needs is another bad report. It would be hard to decide, presa canario, or a cane corso. Or dogo. Like those big mastiff breeds.

[BGD]

For a family with young kids I'd say Bandog everytime, can't get a protection breed more stable with kids IMO.

[ReleaseTheHounds]

Oh crap forgot to answer "why".

The dogs are smart as a whip, they do not require training to do their job of guarding the house and their owner. In fact protection training often ruins their natural working ability I've been told. I like a dog that is smart, they are not barnstorming dogs - they will think out the best approach to a situation rather than charge in barking.

[fblb]

I would have to totally agree with you yardboy....people that use this breed as their choice for a protection/guardian dogs are nothing but another nail in the coffin to this breed, and should not have these dogs.

[fblb]

Thank you for your (as usual) well written reply....with a breed that I know quite well. The Akita is a damn fine dog, and who can't appreciate a dog that was used to hunt bear, lol.

[Muttkip]

Rottweiler hands down!

They are powerful dogs, a bit dumb, but they can get the job done...and their bite is massive and very deadly...I've seen first hand the damage a Rottie can do! They are also VERY VERY aloof towards strangers, but SUPER loyal to their families and will die to protect their property and family. And they're amazing with kids!

Another good breed I've found to be a great watch dog is the Beagle! My boy will bark and bay his full head off if there's something in the yard that's NOT supposed to be there. He even tried to go through a window to get to a man peeking in my window.....and I have a feeling had Beau gone through that window that guy would not have balls. Beau has this thing about going for the crotch when he's in attack mode lol!

[Naustroms]

german shep. i love rotties and have owned a few but a shep would be more of a deterrent imo. and they can move quicker than a rottie.

if money/grooming time was no issue i'd go black russian terrier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snAsiuydydU

[fblb]

Good answers y'all
Muttkip- I have owned a rottweiler when I was younger, and she was a very solid dog all the way around.

Naustroms- I like the look of those Black Russian Terriers.

[Muttkip]

Another choice of mine would be the Giant Schnauzer. They have amazing drive, quick on their feet, VERY agile, smart as hell. They have a powerful bite to and a great hold and a lot of heart. They're used as police dogs a lot and used in the German military as well.

I'd love to own one someday!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQGd30QSrFU

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[peppapig]

it depends.....on what its for......if you want a dog for an alarm against burglarys etc.....then any barky fucker will do....any burglar worth his salt wont try a house with a dog....but.....for dog on man action......a german shepherd is top notch....the authorities dont use em for nothing.....i had one bite me thru the big padded suit while i had the cage on my head....left a right pinch mark lol....:eek::D

[todd]

german shepherd is the one we have he is old but still gets the job done

[Poisoned]

I have a GSD, and have had them all my life... they are freaking awesome for deterring someone, they look bad, they have a reputation, and they are easily trained and good family dogs... My boy is just a year old and he's an amazing watch dog, however, he wouldn't attack someone unless they were threatening the living things here, he's certainly bite and bark up a hell of a storm though, but he won't latch on and shake the hell out of someone unless they're hurting someone here...

But think of it this way... If someone knows you have a dog and breaks in anyway, they're prepared, all it takes is one second, one bullet, and the dog's gone, not a big defense... A dog's biggest way of defending your home is with intimidation and their presence...

Here's my baby, still got a few years to fill out. (only on the extendable because he was swimming in front of my house)
http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz174/PamDouble/P6040731.jpg
http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz174/PamDouble/P6040738.jpg


But it depends on the individual dog. My old GSD bitch would bark at you until you came in, then she'd help you carry our stuff out... lol I've met labs who would seriously maul you for stepping on their property, and I've met cane corso's who'd greet any stranger who came in their yard like a long-lost friend.

Comes down to the bloodlines and the individual dogs.

[illmatic96ss]

k9 swinford

[peppapig]

poisoned.....i meant the barking of a dog is enough to rouse neighbours or sleeping houseowners up to a break-in....not so much the prescence of a chihuahua.....just the racket it will make......of course a big dog making the same noise is always better....lol...:)

[junkyard]

ive said it a million times in these threads. fila fila fila.

and for a dog with pure presence and looks you cant go by a male fila or a male neo. full grown versions of those beasts will put any would be burglar off.

[ElJayBee]

I like South African boerboels. Mine does a damn fine job of guarding my family, other animals, and my property. And has had no training to do so.

That's why I chose the boerboel over some other protection type breeds. They don't require any training to know when to protect. And they're not blindly aggressive like some breeds so you can have family and friends over to your house no problem. But if they think you're not OK with a certain person being there, or if you're not home, that person would be making a grave mistake to try and enter the house or yard. And they are fantastic with children. Mine has been around infants and toddlers alike and is always very gentle and watchful over them.

Also, they don't generally have the dog aggression problems that Presas, Swinfords, and bandogs can have. So they are a good choice if you're trying to find a breed that can also protect your yard.

[peppapig]

theres a guy in britain with one or 2 boerboels........n they do look fecking monstrous.......i wouldnt like a yard of them....your feed bill would be sky high me thinks.....n not to mention the clearing of elephant size "doo doo"......lol....so you find them more placid eljaybee??

[coop-dog]

Junkyard I have read many times that the Fila has become more of a big loud threat display.Which would be enough to scare the shit out of me,but people say you can chase them off if you have the balls to try.Me I would go with a good Bandog,I have a couple bullmastiffs not fat sloppy ones and they have always kept people away.

[MCS]

French Mastiff, A friend of mine has one, it is great with kids, alert and loud, not such a liability. They are more of bark you into a corner and wait for the master to come, if the master is threatened or they feel a threat then they will defend. It is 157 pounds and eats 30 pounds of california natural in about 2 weeks. The head is massive.

[Poisoned]

poisoned.....i meant the barking of a dog is enough to rouse neighbours or sleeping houseowners up to a break-in....not so much the prescence of a chihuahua.....just the racket it will make......of course a big dog making the same noise is always better....lol...:)

My bad, my post wasn't aimed specifically at you, but the topic in general.

I've heard only good things about BoerBoels.. never met or seen one working, but from what I've heard, I'd want one...

[peppapig]

french mastiff MCS??......is that a dogue de bordeaux/"turner n hooch" dog thing??

[junkyard]

coop, i have heard the very same things. i was told by this by alot of people who do protection as a sport, and i would have to admit threw me off a bit.
before they died out a couple of friends had one each from the same fella. they were big staunch gaurding machines but when they got to know you, they were just big drooly teddy bears.

anyway i thought of it this way.........would any of the people that said that about them, have ever been in a real time situation where it could truly be tested? i doubt it. these dogs were not sport dogs they were gaurd dogs. i i would bet you my left ball that not a single one of those haters would have put themselves as the intruder without a sleeve or suit against one of these dogs. not one.

[Laced Wit Game]

Fila or dobie!

Or dogue de bordauex

[MCS]

french mastiff MCS??......is that a dogue de bordeaux/"turner n hooch" dog thing??

Yes it is, the official spelling was too difficult for my american education ;).......At least Laced gave it a try!:D

[peppapig]

god loves a trier lol.....:D:p ....only ever known one dogue...not personally...but a close friend had it...n it turned on the family..well...the head of the household..dog was a male.....they thought they wud snip it....give it a chance etc.....made no difference.....it was still a big challenging fucker to my mates authority......in the end...sent back to the breeder...the dog was bought from pup n left friend at over a year old!...im not saying its the breed as a whole....but thats the closest ive heard or got to one!

[MCS]

They got this one from hungarian stock. Dunno if that makes a diff. and shipped him here to the states. This one has had problems with skin and allergies but it is said to be not the norm. I would have perhaps considered sending him back, but other than that seems to be a decent dog.

Anyone with Cane Corso (Italian is a wee bit easier to sound out):p experience? never known one, but read they are supposed good with family and of a solid temper.

[ElJayBee]

theres a guy in britain with one or 2 boerboels........n they do look fecking monstrous.......i wouldnt like a yard of them....your feed bill would be sky high me thinks.....n not to mention the clearing of elephant size "doo doo"......lol....so you find them more placid eljaybee??

haha, actually mine doesn't eat too much. only 3 cups a day. and yeah, her "poo" is a little big, lol, but she only does it once a day, so it's not too bad. but i'm with you, don't think i would want a yard full, lol

and yeah, they are great with family, friends, and welcome guests. but unwanted people best beware. i have to put mine up when i know the pest control guy or other maintenance workers are coming. she tries to eat them, so i feel pretty confident she would annihilate an intruder or thief.

but she's super friendly and happy with our family, friends, and their children. a big mushball, lol. lets the kids lay on her and poke her and she just licks them in the face, lol

Here are a couple of pictures of her:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg220/lauriejblack/Eisha/eishafarm-1.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg220/lauriejblack/Eisha/eisha.jpg

[peppapig]

They got this one from hungarian stock. Dunno if that makes a diff. and shipped him here to the states. This one has had problems with skin and allergies but it is said to be not the norm. I would have perhaps considered sending him back, but other than that seems to be a decent dog.

Anyone with Cane Corso (Italian is a wee bit easier to sound out):p experience? never known one, but read they are supposed good with family and of a solid temper.my freinds got a corso.....i like it alot....hes doing a bit of sleeve with it.....i know it from pup....but woe betide anyone it taggs lol....ill try n send sum pics via pm....

[peppapig]

they are a rare dog so to speak are they not eljaybee?.....

[MCS]

good looking dog ElJayBee, all your dogs are on point.

And thanks Peppa

[ElJayBee]

they are a rare dog so to speak are they not eljaybee?.....

yeah somewhat, although they are beginning to gain popularity here in the States, which I'm not happy about. Too many BYBs here in the States. But if you're ever looking for a good one, I can point you in the right direction.

Mine was bred in South Africa.


good looking dog ElJayBee, all your dogs are on point.

Thank you very much MCS. :)

[MCS]

Yeah that is what I hear with the French Mastiffs too, Turner and Hooch made everyone want one and that breed got into the BYB game here. Even the official french mastiff club sites mention go to to europe and get stock from there.

[SilentDobe]

Dobermanns, Donovans, German Shepherds for me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfax_3Hss_w

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[killadev300]

I like the look and the drive of the dutch shepherds, not to big, agile , quick and easily trained. They look fierce and love to work

[Bama_Bulldog]

Malanois or dutch shepard. These 2 blow the GSD out of the water. If you are not an experienced handler do your research cause these dogs are not for the average person. I have helped work all of these breeds and the Mals and dutch shepards are bar none head and shoulders above the rest. Stay away from the schutzand dogs, their stock has been watered down drastically. Find someone with ties to the KMPV trials in Holland. PM me if you want some info on a stateside breeder. A co-worker of mine has a dog off of Jet that is straight fire and a very social animal.

[SilentDobe]

Malanois or dutch shepard. These 2 blow the GSD out of the water. If you are not an experienced handler do your research cause these dogs are not for the average person. I have helped work all of these breeds and the Mals and dutch shepards are bar none head and shoulders above the rest. Stay away from the schutzand dogs, their stock has been watered down drastically. Find someone with ties to the KMPV trials in Holland. PM me if you want some info on a stateside breeder. A co-worker of mine has a dog off of Jet that is straight fire and a very social animal.

"KMPV"...really? You mean KNPV and most Mals are nerve bags as well as Dutch Shepherds being handler eaters (those that have not been crossed with Mals). I say for a family dog, neither one is suitable....

Also, it's Schutzhund. BTW, my Dobe above is a Schutzhund dog.

[ElJayBee]

"most Mals are nerve bags as well as Dutch Shepherds being handler eaters (those that have not been crossed with Mals). I say for a family dog, neither one is suitable....


I agree with this completely. They're bad to redirect onto the handler. And certainly not to be trusted in a family environment, generally speaking.

[Bama_Bulldog]

"KMPV"...really? You mean KNPV and most Mals are nerve bags as well as Dutch Shepherds being handler eaters (those that have not been crossed with Mals). I say for a family dog, neither one is suitable....

Also, it's Schutzhund. BTW, my Dobe above is a Schutzhund dog.
Sorry there internet police officer didn't realize typos were such a crime. You find nerve jobs in every breed. I believe the question was about protection dogs, not family dogs. Personally for a protection dog I want one that will ignore the sleave and bite the targeted area on the perp. The Schutzhund dogs I have worked with would chase the sleave if pulled off and thrown. I am in no way knocking your dog. Your style your choice. Personally If I am getting a protection dog, I'm getting the real thing.

[ElJayBee]

A dog can be both a protection and a family dog. Many times, a family dog is even better at protection than others because he feels a real need to do what he is doing.

and I agree that protection dogs don't need to be trained just for the "sleeve". they need to get the job done.

i also agree that there are "nervy" dogs in every breed. but from what i've seen mals and dutches seem to be worse. but if you're an experienced handler and aren't looking for a family dog, and want something super-athletic, i think they can be right for you. they are super high-drive, which is what sometimes gets them into trouble.

me personally, i need a dog that doesn't require protection training to be able to protect. i need a thinking dog that can make the right decisions on when to be all out mean, and when to be gentle, and not necessarily rely on me to tell him what to do. i need something that's gonna chill on the couch with me unless someone comes knockin. that's why i like the mastiff breeds, the boerboel being the best fit for me.

but everyone has there own personal preferences. not everyone needs the same thing. but thankfully there are many breeds available for protection than can fit the needs of the individual.

[SilentDobe]

Sorry there internet police officer didn't realize typos were such a crime. You find nerve jobs in every breed. I believe the question was about protection dogs, not family dogs. Personally for a protection dog I want one that will ignore the sleave and bite the targeted area on the perp. The Schutzhund dogs I have worked with would chase the sleave if pulled off and thrown. I am in no way knocking your dog. Your style your choice. Personally If I am getting a protection dog, I'm getting the real thing.

I do believe there was a post further in asking what would be suitable for protection AND family. One of the answers was a Swinford, which I agree with. Most bandogs can be great with the family due to the feriocity and their mastiff-like laid back nature in the house. I personally, like you, prefer a more athletic dog. I know you weren't knocking my dog, I didn't say you were. I was merely giving an example of what a cross-trained Schutzhund dog is capable of doing, just ask Jon Narodisky of Falawoods K9 thinks of him. ;) So, do not blanket every Schutzhund dog, IMO they are better than hardcore Ring dogs.

I do not deal with handler-sharp dogs more than the average "punking". I understand if you want the "real thing", I certainly do, that's why I wanted a civilly and fight driven dog as well as high prey for the flashy stuff. But, also, most dogs need to be taught to come off of equipment through presence and the threat not going away. Most Schutzhund trainers end every fight once the dog has bit onto the sleeve/suit.

Sure, there are nerve bags in every breed of dog. EVERY breed. There are just problems with herders first, then to narrow it the GSD, Malinois, and Dutchies are civil driven dogs with little prey (if, again, it is a true Dutch shepherd and not a Mal mix) and is very sharp on the handler...no thank you. I have enough to deal with with my Dobermanns and GSDs I currently have now.

BTW, a "typo" is a crime when you are referring to a certification such as KNPV. JMO