dog food

[BigTex]

Hows it going folks? I was talking to someone in the chat earlier today and we got to talking about dog foods.....I feed diamond premium.....he feeds ole roy.....he says it compares to pro plan, diamond, eukanuba etc etc.....my question is what do YOU feed.....and whats your opinions on Ole Roy and Diamond?

[no1special]

I go back and forth between feeding Pro Plan and Nutro and raw. I used to feed Diamond but was not happy with the coats on my dogs. The other food you listed isn't even in my vocabulary and wouldn't feed it to a rodent. Cheaper is not always better. I will never ever even consider feeding Science Diet, Eukanuba, Iams and especially not Ole Roy. IMO they are crap.

[gator]

I have found nothing to be wrong with ol roy from walmarts for feeding the dogs on the chain.
I go back and forth between feeding Pro Plan and Nutro and raw. I used to feed Diamond but was not happy with the coats on my dogs. The other food you listed isn't even in my vocabulary and wouldn't feed it to a rodent. Cheaper is not always better. I will never ever even consider feeding Science Diet, Eukanuba, Iams and especially not Ole Roy. IMO they are crap.

[no1special]

I have found nothing to be wrong with ol roy from walmarts for feeding the dogs on the chain.
To each their own. I prefer not to feed mine the cheap stuff. I don't eat cheaply so why should my dogs? The guy I bought Blaze from has around 21 dogs on his yard and he feeds Nutro as well. Regardless of if my dog lives on a chain, in a dog run or in my house I feed what I feel is best for them :) As I said, to each their own.

[MMK]

there has been a few times i have ran out of food and was low on cash and had to buy a bag of old roy out of pure desperation just to fill some bellys. in my opinion it is garbage and dont recamend it but that is my experience with that brand. i like diamond, chicken soup brand, chicken quaters and any raw beef, deer meat i can get. but when the times comes were money is thin i can always hit up tractor supply and buy a bag of retriever which works good for me when i am in a pinch. 50lbs for 12 bucks and it isnt that bad for a fill in feed. i always try to keep a bag around at the house just incase of a unexpected shortage of cash. it never gave my dogs the runs or anything. but old roy never seemed to be a good solution for me. caused to much diareha and my dogs just never seem to look as good as compaed to when i was feeding my choice of food. maybe it has to do with the good diet i usually feed and then stripping back to what it had. maybe dogs that become acustom to it do fine but i didnt like it
MMK

[gator]

With me it isnt a matter of money or what I eat opposed to what my dogs eat that has nothing to do with it. It is simply that my dogs do well on it and I use the brown bag not the red bag.
there has been a few times i have ran out of food and was low on cash and had to buy a bag of old roy out of pure desperation just to fill some bellys. in my opinion it is garbage and dont recamend it but that is my experience with that brand. i like diamond, chicken soup brand, chicken quaters and any raw beef, deer meat i can get. but when the times comes were money is thin i can always hit up tractor supply and buy a bag of retriever which works good for me when i am in a pinch. 50lbs for 12 bucks and it isnt that bad for a fill in feed. i always try to keep a bag around at the house just incase of a unexpected shortage of cash. it never gave my dogs the runs or anything. but old roy never seemed to be a good solution for me. caused to much diareha and my dogs just never seem to look as good as compaed to when i was feeding my choice of food. maybe it has to do with the good diet i usually feed and then stripping back to what it had. maybe dogs that become acustom to it do fine but i didnt like it
MMK

[MMK]

i used the same didnt like it a bit, but i think it had more to do with what they were on previously than the food itself.
MMK

[gator]

I can agree with the fact that anytime you change a dogs diet there will be an adjustment period.
i used the same didnt like it a bit, but i think it had more to do with what they were on previously than the food itself.
MMK

[MMK]

true i expect stool change for a short time but never had it carry on for 2 weeks till my next pay till i could afford to get them back on the proper diet. i just never had good experience witht he brand all together. but if it is working dont fix it. it just never worked for me
MMK

[Bubba]

We are feeding Diamond in the green bag and are happy with it as far as kibble goes. I prefer the BARF diet overall, but can't do that right now. As far as Ol Roy, I have fed it when we were broke off our asses...but would not try to normally feed it. Corn has no real value to a dog, and thats basically what Ol Roy is...
BB

[puregame]

I was using the maxxium nutrition for my dogs for a few months. It did fine for them while I wasn't working them. I've switched back to Nutro Max now and the difference it makes is unreal. I'm a big fan of the nutro max and natural choice dog foods. It does really well for all my dogs.

PGK

[Icarus]

Right now I am using Nutro max. It seems to be working good for my dogs. If you look at the ingediants for Ole Roy its all corn meal and other crap that the dogs can't digest well. I wouldn't feed that junk to my dogs personally but , whatever floats your boat.

[GYD]

We use Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul which is made by Diamonds.

http://www.chickensoupforthepetloverssoul.com/ingredients.html

We've had great results with this kibble, so that's what we are going to be sticking with. We have tried many different kibble brands out there, and this brand has given us the best results. I've also heard very good things about Wellness, although have never tried it.

[MMK]

chicken soup brand is real good in my opinion. u will get good results with it but it ISNT CHEAP FOOD. but well worth it in the end. if i had the money i personally would feed nothing but fresh greens and raw chicken quaters and pet tab suppliments. but that diet for a maintence feed would drian a bank acount very quickly.
MMK

[LA_Headhunters]

I have used 'Ol Roy high energy even when putting one through keep. just have found better success using a mixture between Diamond High Energy and Diamond Premium Adult for all applications.Nothing wrong with 'Ol Roy though perfectly fine for dogs on the chain>

[J M A N]

I think Ol Roy makes your dogs crap a whole lot more. Never have liked it. The only food where you get the most out of your dog is Black Diamond.

If a dog aint training I try to keep them on a lamb & rice suppliment food.

[puregame]

I've heard that the chicken Soup food is really good. I thought about trying it, but i really like nutro... if it's not broken don't fix it, right?!?!

Right now I feeding my dogs: kibble (nutro max), chicken liver/chopped chicken, and green beans on sun, wed, and fri. Kibble, groung beef/chopped beef, and rice on mon, thurs. kibble only on tues and fri. I give them pet tabs, eggs, and brewers yeast tabs too, but that's pretty much how I feed them ((getting them ready for shows and such)).
PGK

[GYD]

We alternate with BARF/Kibble, because a full time BARF diet is very time consuming (for us anyway). However, I will say that BARF is the way to go!! Naw mmk, couldn’t afford 50 dogs on Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover’s Soul..one of the reasons we try to keep a moderately small yard. ;)

[BigTex]

i guess it depends on what youy have around for the barf diet....i live in the same town as the worlds 2nd largest poultry producer in the world(pilgrims pride) and i could get necks and backs from them for $.16 a pound.....real cheap.....cheaper than diamond kibble.....but like was stated it was pretty time consuming and hassle....overall though theres NOTHING better than a good barf diet

[CRG]

what about chicken soup for the dog lovers soul is that any good

[gator]

The size of your yard does help in your decision making also.
We alternate with BARF/Kibble, because a full time BARF diet is very time consuming (for us anyway). However, I will say that BARF is the way to go!! Naw mmk, couldn’t afford 50 dogs on Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover’s Soul..one of the reasons we try to keep a moderately small yard. ;)

[MMK]

yeah u can only buy what u can afford. right now i am down to 3 dogs as i did some heavy culling before rebuilding my yard. i got what i like now and going to work on some good breedings to build my yard back up from keeping everything i breed. so i like to splurge and feed them the best i can. but when i was up at around 10-15 dogs they seen alot more periods of cheapo food. and i definetly never see my self going over 20 dogs. too much work and money to keep up with that many.

crg8 yeah i like the chicken soup brand alot and would recamend it to anyone.
MMK

[no1special]

I've got a friend who's got like 22 dogs on the yard now and every single one of those dogs gets fed Nutro Natural Choice. My friend said a full 5 gallon bucket is used every day to go out to feed the dogs. That's a lot of dog food!

[slimm]

I am using Canidae, but I have only one dog:o. It is less expensive than Bill Jac, and around the same as chicken soup. he seems to love it, but he would probably love dry noodles too;)

[Bubba]

I am using Canidae, but I have only one dog:o. It is less expensive than Bill Jac, and around the same as chicken soup. he seems to love it, but he would probably love dry noodles too;)I've heard good things about that Canidae...unfortunately, I just don't have pockets deep enough to be able to feed it. We feeding Diamond green to the adults and Diamond puppy to the pups...for the adults we are going thru about 50lbs per week, which ain't really all that bad, I got a buddy that goes thru about 60lbs per day lol.
BB

[slimm]

I've heard good things about that Canidae...unfortunately, I just don't have pockets deep enough to be able to feed it. We feeding Diamond green to the adults and Diamond puppy to the pups...for the adults we are going thru about 50lbs per week, which ain't really all that bad, I got a buddy that goes thru about 60lbs per day lol.
BB
Whoa 50lbs a week. 60lbs a day is unimaginable. This bag cost me $32 for 40lbs.

[no1special]

BBK...how many dogs do you have on your yard? I can't remember what my friend said they go through a week. Might be more now that there are 22 dogs on the yard.

[Bubba]

BBK...how many dogs do you have on your yard? I can't remember what my friend said they go through a week. Might be more now that there are 22 dogs on the yard.Right now we are down to 14, plus 7 pups at 5wks old.
BB

[no1special]

Cool. So I'm thinking my friend probably goes through just as much...if not a little more...dog food a week. That's crazy LOL!! My friend feeds Nutro Natural Choice. I went and priced that stuff and it's not cheap at all. I feed it every now and then but mostly stick with Pro Plan. When in a pinch I'll feed Diamond but I don't like the results I get from it. One of these days when we've struck the lottery and become rich rich people I'll put every dog I'll ever own on a raw diet ;)

[Bubba]

Cool. So I'm thinking my friend probably goes through just as much...if not a little more...dog food a week. That's crazy LOL!! My friend feeds Nutro Natural Choice. I went and priced that stuff and it's not cheap at all. I feed it every now and then but mostly stick with Pro Plan. When in a pinch I'll feed Diamond but I don't like the results I get from it. One of these days when we've struck the lottery and become rich rich people I'll put every dog I'll ever own on a raw diet ;)We have fed the BARF diet and loved it, did it for about 1.5yr, give or take a couple mos...its not expensive if you can find a hook up. Go find a butcher and find out what they do with the scraps. My butcher here has to pay to dispose of his scraps, so I went down there and I would pick them up for him everyday...free Cow, Deer......the only thing I wouldn't take is the pork and he would put that seperate for me. Just an idea...
BB

[no1special]

That's awesome. I had contacted the only butcher out this way and he got all anal on me and wouldn't even let me buy any of the scraps. Said he'd get in trouble for it or some crap like that. I was like "ok whatever dude....it's not for me it's for my dogs." But he was adimant about not letting me have any of their scraps :confused:

[gator]

Damn never heard of a butcher doing that before. Where are you from?
That's awesome. I had contacted the only butcher out this way and he got all anal on me and wouldn't even let me buy any of the scraps. Said he'd get in trouble for it or some crap like that. I was like "ok whatever dude....it's not for me it's for my dogs." But he was adimant about not letting me have any of their scraps :confused:

[Bubba]

Damn never heard of a butcher doing that before. Where are you from?Tenn...its a menonite butcher...kinda like the amish people...
BB

[gator]

Sounds strange to me but then Im not familiar with the Amish ways so I`ll keep my mouth shut on that...
Tenn...its a menonite butcher...kinda like the amish people...
BB

[no1special]

Damn never heard of a butcher doing that before. Where are you from?
Without actually coming right out and saying where I am...I'm not quite in the central part of the US but I'm not really in the Western part either. I'm like between Central and Western parts. And I'm in a very small community too:o

[red_light]

i feel stupid on asking this question but can you please tell me what a BARF diet is........ thanks!!!!

[Bubba]

The BARF diet stands for Bones And Raw Food...

When we fed it, we fed Monday-Friday meat...nothing else but meat. Everyday I would gauge it to how my dogs looked and how they acted, and I seemed to have done real good on it and so did the dogs. On Saturdays, the dogs would get what ended up being a "slop" of veggies, fruits, and a bunch of tuna or some other fish...and Sundays we would fast, meaning no food. The purpose behind the BARF diet is to bring them closer to a natural WILD feed...and I'll tell you what...never have my dogs looked and seemed healthier than when they were on it. We feed it for about 1.5yrs...it took a bit to get it right and the amounts right...and it is a helluva lot more time consuming than kibble. One day we'll be back to feeding BARF...
BB

[red_light]

The BARF ...diet stands for Bones And Raw Food...

When we fed it, we fed Monday-Friday meat...nothing else but meat. Everyday I would gauge it to how my dogs looked and how they acted, and I seemed to have done real good on it and so did the dogs. On Saturdays, the dogs would get what ended up being a "slop" of veggies, fruits, and a bunch of tuna or some other fish...and Sundays we would fast, meaning no food. The purpose behind the BARF d...iet is to bring them closer to a natural WILD feed...and I'll tell you what...never have my dogs looked and seemed healthier than when they were on it. We feed it for about 1.5yrs...it took a bit to get it right and the amounts right...and it is a helluva lot more time consuming than kibble. One day we'll be back to feeding BARF...
BB
thank you very much for the info bro!!!

as i scanned through the posts, i saw someone mention about scraps being included in the barf diet.....can you please enlighten me on this one..........thanks again!!!!

[Bubba]

thank you very much for the info bro!!!

as i scanned through the posts, i saw someone mention about scraps being included in the barf diet.....can you please enlighten me on this one..........thanks again!!!!Scraps meaning meat scraps...the leftovers that the butcher has from his daily butchering...
BB

[red_light]

Scraps meaning meat scraps...the leftovers that the butcher has from his daily butchering...
BB
thanks again BBK!!!

but i do think that meat scraps from butchers there in the US is very much different from the meat scraps here in philippines. can you tell me what kind of meat scraps(part of the body) should be feed and not feed to the dogs. thanks!!

[LA_Headhunters]

thanks again BBK!!!

but i do think that meat scraps from butchers there in the US is very much different from the meat scraps here in philippines. can you tell me what kind of meat scraps(part of the body) should be feed and not feed to the dogs. thanks!!
Not to get in the way of BBK, Lean beef usually from the neck or hock of a cow is what I have found is best. I use the BARF diet while running on in keep. A little fat off a cow doesn't hurt either, but not too much!!!

[Bubba]

The scraps we would get from the butcher would be meat of all parts of the body...whatever they don't use to make their steaks and such like that...I would pick up 1-2 55gal metal barrells everyday full of scraps...I had more than I could feed and would give some to other friends of mine...

BB

[rocksteady]

You never had any problems with bones getting stuck, etc? I've read cases where dogs have died from preforated intestines from bones.. I've been looking into the BARF diet but all I can think of is my dogs ending up with perforated intestines or something.. Since I only have 3, it wouldn't be that much more expensive than feeding kibble. Do you have any good sites you could recommend?
Rocksteady

[BigTex]

just type in barf diet in a search engine.....i never had bones get stuck....and my dogs have had probably about every kind of bone there is.....you just DO NOT COOK THEM!!! raw bones are somewhat flexible and they have a little give too them......but when you cook them you make them real hard and brittle....and cooked bones wont break down and be able to be digested as easy as raw bones...alot of people will say well raw meat has bacteria and diseases....yeah and your point? Dogs are designed to eat RAW meat.....their stomach acids are stong enough to break down and neutralize some pretty nasty things....and not all bacteria is bad....best thing to do is just try it for yourself....find a local butcher and go get some meat scraps....i liked feeding chicken cuz its nearly solid protein and has little fat......but beef would work good too

[Bubba]

You never had any problems with bones getting stuck, etc? I've read cases where dogs have died from preforated intestines from bones.. I've been looking into the BARF diet but all I can think of is my dogs ending up with perforated intestines or something.. Since I only have 3, it wouldn't be that much more expensive than feeding kibble. Do you have any good sites you could recommend?
RocksteadyI did have one dog die from a preforated instestine...which is one of the reasons I stopped feeding BARF. It was a pup I had bred, and he was the best acting in the litter (not that it means anything). He was a crazy suma bitch that would tear into anything you would give you with extreme fury...and I think thats why he had a problem with the bone...I still recommend barf, just like everything else, you gotta be careful.
Like Big Tex said, DO NOT COOK IT!!!! BARF= bones and RAW food...when you cook the food, not only are you making the bones brittle, you are also KILLING MUCH OF THE NUTRIENTS in the food!!!!
BB

[BigTex]

you could also make the arguement of dogs choking to death on kibble...

[gator]

As in all things you have to be carefull, good piece of advice there my brother.
you could also make the arguement of dogs choking to death on kibble...

[dragonknight]

I feed my pitbulls Ole Roy dog food. I give them the Lamb and Rice formula. I do not recomend the red bag of Ole Roy just for my own reasons that I have noticed. It runs through their systems very quick not getting all the nutrients from it, but the lamb and rice that is put out by Ole Roy does the trick. Stools come out black and solid when fead the right amount. I have tried other brands. To me thats all they are other brands paying for the name. I do understand some brands add to their blend of foods. I see now in puppy food you can get DHEA in the food running up a 2 lbs bag of food over $10. I believe if as long as you put your dog on a good feeding program and stick with it it doesn't matter the brand you use. What hurts the dog is the changing of foods. The Ole Roy lamb and rice is also low in odor. I do know this eerything out there for dogs is not advertised for the dog but the dog owner and what do most people go for the items with the most hype. The pretty package, but the pretty package isn't always the best. Take for instance I knew a guy who gave his dog kibbles and bit I asked him why? He actually told me because the dog needed veriety in his food meaning the different shapes and flavors. People need to understand dogs are not umans but just what they are and they need structure to be good dogs. Well anyway thats enough from me just my 2 cents.

[dragonknight]

Oh just a few more words I went back and read some of the post about Ole Roy....Hmmmm...everyone has their own opinion, but I am here to say it works and it is not crap. Do your research, any way dog food is just a filler. Who feeds their dog a real diet that has to be hand prepared every day!!!!!!!!!!!! I only know a few. A real dog person doesn't just feed straight from the bag he has many things he adds to the food to keep him fit and ready. I don't give away my secrets, but I will say I give a cocunut exstract for the sugar for his reserve power in his muscles.


Who feeds their dog corn flakes, and turnip greens? If not hhhmmm ..... Why are you talking.

My first post I thought was just why not Ole Roy over the other but I read back and saw some calling it cheap and no good....lol...they must not be real dog people because any good dog man will tell you any dog fod will do because it is just the filler. The rest is hand prepared.

[dragonknight]

About the barff .... why are you feeding your dog raw meat ???????? what does he get from it ??????? why let him eat the bone or scapps you wouldn't eat ?????????? Give him the meat (beef if it is raw) this is for his protien intake.....Think about it like a body builder or track runner would for them selves how would they eat. They defently wouldn't eat the bones. Also with raw meat you have to be very carefull with your dog getting sick with todays illnesses. I do not feed mine raw because I would not eat it raw. You alo have the option of supplements most feed mills can get them. I like to give mine creatine made just for dogs I get it in a 60 day supply. I know some who give their dogs stuff that is given to cows.....I couldn't do that but I have seen it. Oh by the way I do not fight my dog I weight pull my dog.

Also if you want to train a dog and need a good book and video a guy by the name of Bob Stevens has some but I am not sure if he sales them any more I heard he was arrested for selling them. About 4 years ago I found his website and purchased everthing not knowing they were illegal to have...I watched the traing video and read the book and burned them when I heard you can get in trouble just for owning them. Scarry feeling expecially with kids get arrested just for owning a book...!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!

[njchmin]

About the barff .... why are you feeding your dog raw meat ???????? what does he get from it ??????? why let him eat the bone or scapps you wouldn't eat ?????????? Give him the meat (beef if it is raw) this is for his protien intake.....Think about it like a body builder or track runner would for them selves how would they eat. They defently wouldn't eat the bones. Also with raw meat you have to be very carefull with your dog getting sick with todays illnesses. I do not feed mine raw because I would not eat it raw.
Dogs eat raw meat. They eat bones. Thier diet is different than what you or i would eat. Thier bodies are made to be able to handle raw meat and bones. I have never had any of my dogs get sick from eating raw meat.


I dont feed my dogs ol roy because it goes right through them and they shit alot more. One of my dogs eats diamond lamb and rice for a sensitive stomach and the other 3 eat OMC Champion Dog Food.

[dora]

I've got a friend who's got like 22 dogs on the yard now and every single one of those dogs gets fed Nutro Natural Choice. My friend said a full 5 gallon bucket is used every day to go out to feed the dogs. That's a lot of dog food!no1speical
for 22 dogs that ain't a hole lota food...i feed about a 1/2 gallon jug to each of mine that is about 4 cups a dog food...sometimes a little more espeically when it is cold theY need the EXTRA nutrician...

[Texasbulldogs]

“Oh just a few more words I went back and read some of the post about Ole Roy....Hmmmm...everyone has their own opinion, but I am here to say it works and it is not crap.”
How can you state, Ole Roy is a good kibble? You obviously know nothing about canine nutrition. OleRoy is poison, nothing more! Please list the first ten ingredients of it, then say how it’s a good kibble.

“Do your research, any way dog food is just a filler.”
You shouldn’t be having others do “research”, when you yourself have yet too do any! Please explain how “dog food is just a filler”. Sadly Ole Roy isn’t even a “filler”! Was it their Class Action lawsuits against them for being unsuitable for dogs, that attracted you to it or maybe the pentobarbital additive?

“Who feeds their dog corn flakes, and turnip greens?”
Only cheapskates that know nothing about canine nutrition! Stop reading Fat Bill’s cheapskate, sub-par feeding guidelines. If you can’t afford to feed you dog’s appropriate kibble, get rid of them!

“I do not feed mine raw because I would not eat it raw.”
Have you ever thought…maybe our gastrointestinal system is vastly different from a canines?

“You alo have the option of supplements”
If you’re feeding Ole Roy and giving supplements…you are just wasting your money! Save the supplement money and put it towards a quality kibble!

[RIVES PITS]

I Personally Use Diamond Hi-energy And Can't Complain About Anything. My Dad Has Fox Dogs And He Buys It By The Pallet (20 Bags) If We Have Trouble Getting The Order In Time Then We Go To Trusty Ole Roy. It's A Quick Fix Until We Get Our Load. Must Say This About Diamond Continued Use Of This Particular Brand (hi-energy) Will Cause Liver And Kidney Failure Read An Article In Retriever Magazine Not Saying Don't Use Diamond But Switch It Up From Time To Time.

[ProudAPBTmomma]

I feed Diamond. It is packed full of protein and many quality breeders us it. Plus it is very cheep. At my co-op, it's about $16 for 40 lbs. But cheap isn't always healthy either.... I would definitely throw in the extra buck or two for quality dog food rather than just get what's cheap.

[Ballzee]

I only have 4 dogs, but I feed Nutro and purina mixed, they will dig around the nutro to eat the purina then eat the nutro(not all the time but they do this alot) I also feed some raw meats cos dogs acids are like 900 times ours so I know they can handle it, dogs at one time were wild animals they were made to eat raw meats and bones. my 2 cents

[lonesharkpits]

I personnally only feed premium dog foods. I have 10 dogs to feed and only want the best. I feed bil-jac hard food and frozen food. I also mix in a little sportsmans pride. I do not feel that ol roy is a good food to feed. They do not use premium ingredients and also use fillers such as corn meal.

[Miss Conduct]

We have 6 dogs at the moment, and we feed a food called Tops i believe its 28% pro and 15% Fat, i'll go out and check the bag when i get more clothes on lol.
Anyway, we have tried MANY different foods.
Foods i consider GARBAGE- Ole Roy (that food should be BANNED lol), Pedigree, Science Diet (science my ASS, and i even work at a vet clinic!) Purina, and Iams.
ALL of these foods have fillers as there #1 ingredient, what do fillers equal? More SHIT.
One of my dogs is a OFRN, and he has a rather coarse coat. All of those foods that say are good for coat can kiss my ass, his coat was horrible on them, and the rest of the dogs didn't look so good, plus TONS of cleanup (aka fecal matter).

I drive 3 hours to a partners house every few months to pick this food up, its not available in my state, so he buys it a ton at a time. His yard looks excellent on it (OVER 20 dogs), and mine do as well. They have nice coats, lots of energy, and less shit, which makes me very happy.
Also, the food in condensed (the 50 pound back looks like it would be a 35 pound bag), so you feed less. My dogs range from 33-51 pounds and they get no more than 2 1/2 cups per day for the biggest.

[misterdogman]

I have found nothing to be wrong with ol roy from walmarts for feeding the dogs on the chain.I guess when I have 'em on the chain I like a food that makes good solid stool because I feed some raw stuff too and want it to come out some what together ...also when they are getting ready to be kept they get no fat and or anything real tasty so I like to feed something a little better on chain in small chunk and a little higher in protein and fat...and Ol' Roy comes out soft and stinks so it must be non PH balanced and has crappy ingredients...I been feeding Sportmix on the chain for awhile because I had fed Diamond and Pro Pac in the past and they are all comparable to the highest priced premium stuff like Eukanuba and the other high priced crap... but all are cheaper... it's just Sportmix has 'em all beat...It has good ingredients and ratios and is only 16bucks for 50lbs... so for the same or barely higher price to Ol' Roy I figured I would feed a much better food IMO. I would never go to anything else but those... Sportmix, Diamond, Pro Pac or maybe another with very similar ingredients and under 25bucks for 50lbs...call me cheap but I still feed as good as anyone else or better when I add raw elements...and feeding more for less=more dogs for cheaper.

[SFK]

Sportmix is a great food when feeding a yard. If just a few Canidae. JMO

[Texasbulldogs]

“call me cheap but I still feed as good as anyone else or better when I add raw elements”
How do you come to that conclusion? No amount of “supplements” are going to help your dog rid the useless junk, you’re supplying them daily in their kibble!

“feeding more for less=more dogs for cheaper.”
Just what you need…more dogs. Price should never take priority over quality! If you can’t feed a quality kibble, get rid of some dogs!

[dragonknight]

Here is a link to my dogs picture and tell me if Ole Roy is hurting him.

http://www.geocities.com/dragonknight_31/

[dragonknight]

I also see that the adverage price for dog food is about $16 thats what I pay for a 40 lbs bag of Ole Roy. I can get Diamond at my local co-op for $13 for a 50 lbs bag. They also have their own blend I used for years (my local co-op) it ran straight through my dogs. I am sorry but I like Ole Roy and nothing any one can say other wise. Now if they ever stop the lamb and rice blend then I will change until then I'll stick with Ole Roy. Oh I know about all the feeding plans and suits and everything out their and still learning more. I know every one has their own opinion too, but why down the other guys opinion of what he likes to do. I know from experiance most people do what someone else does because they told them this was the way or it was the best. I see it here all the time. My findings are from trial and error my own experiances. I have talked with many dog people personally, by phone, by e-mail...reading their books watching their videos, reading magazines. The ultimate thing is what do you find that works best for you. If I ever find anything that works better for me I will take up for it too.

A guy I met told me one day how he feeds his dogs a couple times a month... He told me he had a hudge fenced in lot where he would put the dog then drop in a live meal and the dog had to run it down and kill it and eat it.

Anyone do that with their dogs!!!!

I raised catch dogs the big white bulldogs awsome powerfull dogs Ole Roy worked with them and they were hudge.

[chainsoff]

Here is a link to my dogs picture and tell me if Ole Roy is hurting him.

http://www.geocities.com/dragonknight_31/Feeding a quality food, not that Ole Roy poison, will get much better results.

[TERRIBLE TEXAS]

i also agree ole roy is garbage but that man is feeding his own dogs....let him

[chainsoff]

that man is feeding his own dogs....let himYou're absolutelt right B N P, each to his own. everyone has different results with different feed.

[AMJULIETTE]

WE USE THE GREEN BAG OF GOOD DOG AND IT WORKS GREAT WITH OUR DOGS.
IT IS MADE BY HI-TEK RATIONS.

[misterdogman]

“call me cheap but I still feed as good as anyone else or better when I add raw elements”
How do you come to that conclusion? No amount of “supplements” are going to help your dog rid the useless junk, you’re supplying them daily in their kibble!

“feeding more for less=more dogs for cheaper.”
Just what you need…more dogs. Price should never take priority over quality! If you can’t feed a quality kibble, get rid of some dogs!
Dont come jawing off at me when you dont know what your talking about just so you can look cool.. or sound like you know what your bumping your teeth about...NOT ONE TIME DID I SAY THE WORD SUPPLEMENTS...I never feed any chemicals, supplements or anything to dogs... but if you read some of the things I have posted you'd know that before you go off talking crap about what I feed and how many dogs I have. I know I feed better than the people on Ol' Roy and half the others. Also I said I add raw elements to the dogs diet not supplements...elements being things like yogurt, noodles, veggies and fruit, bones etc...maybe you should care about your own dogs and not worry about how many I am feeding. As long as their well fed on the chain, on QUALITY food like SPORTMIX who cares if a guy tries to save a little on the feed bill, you gotta save it somewhere and unlike some people around here I aint here to make money on my ability to get two dogs to screw and make puppies. Also who said my food was lacking quality...I said it was saving me money and that money allows me to keep more dogs...it all goes back to them anyway in the end ...so something is wrong with buying something as good as Eukanuba for a third of the costs...Id jump on someone feeding generic crap like Ol' Roy before I met toes with myself buddy, I feed this to prevent feeding junk...Sportmix is better than a lot of premium foods and if you can't properly read what I say then don't reply to my posts if your just trying to make someone look dumber than you.

"It is better to remain silent and let people think your a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". ~Nietchke

[TERRIBLE TEXAS]

no disrespect, but that dude texasbulldogs knows what comes out his mouth and he speaks the truth.....problem wit that is alot of people have sensitive skin but it aint his fault...






Dont come jawing off at me when you dont know what your talking about just so you can look cool.. or sound like you know what your bumping your teeth about...NOT ONE TIME DID I SAY THE WORD SUPPLEMENTS...I never feed any chemicals, supplements or anything to dogs... but if you read some of the things I have posted you'd know that before you go off talking crap about what I feed and how many dogs I have. I know I feed better than the people on Ol' Roy and half the others. Also I said I add raw elements to the dogs diet not supplements...elements being things like yogurt, noodles, veggies and fruit, bones etc...maybe you should care about your own dogs and not worry about how many I am feeding. As long as their well fed on the chain, on QUALITY food like SPORTMIX who cares if a guy tries to save a little on the feed bill, you gotta save it somewhere and unlike some people around here I aint here to make money on my ability to get two dogs to screw and make puppies. Also who said my food was lacking quality...I said it was saving me money and that money allows me to keep more dogs...it all goes back to them anyway in the end ...so something is wrong with buying something as good as Eukanuba for a third of the costs...Id jump on someone feeding generic crap like Ol' Roy before I met toes with myself buddy, I feed this to prevent feeding junk...Sportmix is better than a lot of premium foods and if you can't properly read what I say then don't reply to my posts if your just trying to make someone look dumber than you.

"It is better to remain silent and let people think your a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". ~Nietchke

[misterdogman]

no disrespect, but that dude texasbulldogs knows what comes out his mouth and he speaks the truth.....problem wit that is alot of people have sensitive skin but it aint his fault...Whoever chooses not to read before posting something totally off the subject and with no regard to what you were originally saying can blame nobody but themselves. I cant care less what someone knows or thinks unless they say and do it in a normal manner... not like he did. I also cant care less about how sensitive you think my skin is, but when someone starts going off about something that is totally accusatory and off beat I am going to say something and he was way off base to jump on me for making valid points... I never said I fed garbage supplements or generic food or anything he spoke of...did you read the posts or are you just reading the first thing you saw and making a reply like he did...because it helps to read everything before jumping to a conclusion and waste my time also..

[Texasbulldogs]

“Dont come jawing off at me when you dont know what your talking about just so you can look cool…sound like you know what your bumping your teeth about.”
Sounds like solid advise, you should take! You knowledge of canine nutrition is nonexistent, obviously! You’re the only one “bumping teeth” around here!

“NOT ONE TIME DID I SAY THE WORD SUPPLEMENTS.”
Did you not say; “I guess when I have 'em on the chain I like a food that makes good solid stool because I feed some raw stuff too”? So, isn’t the “raw stuff” a supplement to the poisoned kibble you are feeding? Why the need for the added “raw stuff” for a chain dog, being your kibble should be more than sufficient? But anyone can plainly see it is cheap, poison, marketed too uneducated individuals like yourself, all in the name of profit! Why you would recommend and feed that, is a mystery to many.

“I never feed any chemicals, supplements or anything to dogs.”
Yes, you do…refer too above! To save you the trouble, if you are adding ingredients to a dog/s kibble you are “supplementing” its feed!

“but if you read some of the things I have posted you'd know that before you go off talking crap about what I feed and how many dogs I have.”
I have read your postings and idle chatter, none of which support your so called “knowledge” of canine nutrition! Your current feed says it all…severely lacking!

“I know I feed better than the people on Ol' Roy and half the others.”
Pure speculations on your part, once again! At the end of the day you and those feeding sup-par kibble are still feeding poison to your dog/s! Looks closely at the ingredient (first 10) of your “Sportmix” junk:
Chicken By-Product Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Meat Meal, Ground Wheat, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken & Liver Digest, Fish Meal, Salt, Vitamin A Supplement

Name one quality ingredient in that poison! All the ingredients are of poor quality, was not designed with the canine athlete in mind, just profit at the expense of your dog/s health. Heck we still didn’t even get into chelated minerals, probiotics, digestive enzymes, trace minerals, etc., etc., etc.

“Also I said I add raw elements to the dogs diet not supplements...elements being things like yogurt, noodles, veggies and fruit, bones etc."
Wouldn’t that implicate you, “supplementing”? What happened to “not one time did I say the word supplements”? Once again, you should take your own advise and READ, better yet try and retain the information! Why the need to add them “supplements”? None of which is needed and should be supplied by your dogs, quality kibble! Noodles…like your dog/s need another carbohydrate in their feed. LoL

“maybe you should care about your own dogs and not worry about how many I am feeding.”
I don’t worry about you or your dog/s, just dislike someone speaking and offering advise on something they themselves are clueless about!

“As long as their well fed on the chain, on QUALITY food like SPORTMIX who cares if a guy tries to save a little on the feed bill”
That’s just it, they don’t meet your own criteria! Mainly because your lack of knowledge and tightwad mentality!

“you gotta save it somewhere and unlike some people around here I aint here to make money on my ability to get two dogs to screw and make puppies.”
Hard to when the dog’s are in Croatia! Why is there even a need to sale a pup? Not only do you feed cheap poison, you sale dogs/pups…when do the dog’s see the benefit from all this “saving money” plan? Being you’re pups “starting price” is $1500, you’d think you could feed them quality kibble. Let me guess…they don’t?

“Also who said my food was lacking quality."
THE INGREDIENT SAY IT!

“I said it was saving me money and that money allows me to keep more dogs.”
So you can’t/won’t feed a quality kibble, because that will prevent you from getting more dogs? Typical minimalist mentality that seem to run amuck with those keeping these dogs!

“it all goes back to them anyway in the end”
I’m sure it does, once they become older, vet bills will be astronomical. But that’s normally the time minimalist like yourself get out, if you stay that long.

“so something is wrong with buying something as good as Eukanuba for a third of the costs“
No! You’re not feeding anything “as good” as Eukanuba! Even if you was, that isn’t anything to brag about, considering it is a junk kibble too.

“Id jump on someone feeding generic crap like Ol' Roy before I met toes with myself buddy, I feed this to prevent feeding junk”
What in the hell do you think Sportmix is? I’ll tell you “generic garbage”! Both Ole Roy and Sportmix are useless, slow, dog killers! Maybe you need to “meet toes” with someone who knows something about canine nutrition? You’re not feeding anything better than Ole Roy! If you think so, go look at the ingredients!

“Sportmix is better than a lot of premium foods and if you can't properly read what I say then don't reply to my posts if your just trying to make someone look dumber than you.”
Please come back to reality! Sportmix is not a “premium food” nor a “decent" one! Only a fool would even make such an outlandish statement! I don’t reply to make you look stupid, you do a fine job of that yourself. I only reply to hopefully keep other from making excuses and the same mistakes you are currently making!

[Texasbulldogs]

“I cant care less what someone knows or thinks unless they say and do it in a normal manner... not like he did.”
I did do it in a “normal manner”! You just didn’t get the reply you wanted and found out you truly are a minimalist, when it comes to your dog/s care!

“but when someone starts going off about something that is totally accusatory and off beat I am going to say something”
I presented factual evidence, in both my replies. I unlike you don’t speak about what I don’t know! Name one thing I said the was “accusatory and off beat” that wasn’t true.

“he was way off base to jump on me for making valid points”
What “valid points”? You made none nor have you ever made any about nutrition! Another FACT!

“I never said I fed garbage supplements or generic food or anything he spoke of”
Nor did I state you feed “garbage supplements”, but the facts are…you feed generic garbage kibble! Suck is up and face reality, you kibble needs vast improvements much like your knowledge! Price should never be a issue, when dealing with nutrition! If you can't afford quality feed, feed less dogs! Pretty simple!

“did you read the posts or are you just reading the first thing you saw and making a reply like he did”
I read your entire post, too bad you didn’t. Please tell me your not actually this clueless! I’m beginning to wonder, if you read and comprehended what you purportedly typed.

“because it helps to read everything before jumping to a conclusion and waste my time also.”
Why don’t you try “reading”! Obviously you haven’t or you wouldn’t be feeding and recommending Sportmix dog food! You seem to always be handing out "advise", start taking your own. Also you might want to read, read again, and comprehend what your signature says; "It is better to remain silent and let people think your a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

[dragonknight]

I have a question????????? Since alot of you are so againt the cheap poison that being "ole roy" other than the ingreadiance what else is the problem????? It sems we are all talking but nobody has posted the facts or a link to the facts......I have read a few articles about dog foods being bad but nothing concreat. I also would like to now how do we know if these high dollar dog foods don't have these same chemicals that is claimed to be in the cheaper ones. For some who do not know a chemical is claimed to be in some dog foods that help put down the big animals. They say testing show very little traces of it and they say it is not harmfull then some say it is. I believe if it is in the food really how could they sell it any way. Could someone comment on this??? Wel I am sure some one will I see that there are very pationate people here on this board and that is good we can all get many opinions and learn alot from each other.

[tiger]

i use diamond now but i use to feed mines ole roy saw nothing wrong with it,(I pushed my shopping cart loaded with ole roy by them as my mind went to remembering the great CHAMPION HONEYBUNCH R.O.M.) article was written by Irish Jerry in the American Gamedog Times.

[misterdogman]

“I cant care less what someone knows or thinks unless they say and do it in a normal manner... not like he did.”
I did do it in a “normal manner”! You just didn’t get the reply you wanted and found out you truly are a minimalist, when it comes to your dog/s care!

“but when someone starts going off about something that is totally accusatory and off beat I am going to say something”
I presented factual evidence, in both my replies. I unlike you don’t speak about what I don’t know! Name one thing I said the was “accusatory and off beat” that wasn’t true.

“he was way off base to jump on me for making valid points”
What “valid points”? You made none nor have you ever made any about nutrition! Another FACT!

“I never said I fed garbage supplements or generic food or anything he spoke of”
Nor did I state you feed “garbage supplements”, but the facts are…you feed generic garbage kibble! Suck is up and face reality, you kibble needs vast improvements much like your knowledge! Price should never be a issue, when dealing with nutrition! If you can't afford quality feed, feed less dogs! Pretty simple!

“did you read the posts or are you just reading the first thing you saw and making a reply like he did”
I read your entire post, too bad you didn’t. Please tell me your not actually this clueless! I’m beginning to wonder, if you read and comprehended what you purportedly typed.

“because it helps to read everything before jumping to a conclusion and waste my time also.”
Why don’t you try “reading”! Obviously you haven’t or you wouldn’t be feeding and recommending Sportmix dog food! You seem to always be handing out "advise", start taking your own. Also you might want to read, read again, and comprehend what your signature says; "It is better to remain silent and let people think your a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".



PM the rest of your non logical and blatently accusatory arguments to me to preserve the public forum please. If you feel the need to, at least keep it from effecting the people who aren't involved and just wanted to read people opinions on food instead of getting judged and called out by nutrition professionals...

"It is better to remain silent and let people think your a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

[440rider]

With all the mentioning of junk kibble and poor nutrition, Tex, can you name a few of the good ones for those reading the post that may be in question of their feed?

I have been feeding pro plan regular/performance to my dogs since 96'. I am happy with it and my dogs seem very happy as well. I 'm not to familiar with other feed since I have only fed pro plan. How does this feed match up to others?
Tks

[SFK]

With all due respect to Texas Bulldogs knowledge & education with caring for these dogs I can only speak of my personal experience with the High Energy Sportmix. I had switched over to this food along with a partner of mine about 6-7 months ago. (On the yard) I still feed Canidae to the dogs I keep at home & in keep. My partner has taken dogs off the yard to conformation shows with NO conditioning, or even a bath & either won or placed in most of the ADBA shows they had entered. I have also been given compliments on the condition of my yard dogs, including their coats & energy levels, & when I know the only thing going into them is the Sportmix I really can't complain. my dogs get around a coffee can a day, & if anyone thinks my dogs are suffering from this food please feel free to view my gallery. I also think that Exceed is a good food, but again these are only my opinions you own it you feed it what you want.

[misterdogman]

With all due respect to Texas Bulldogs knowledge & education with caring for these dogs I can only speak of my personal experience with the High Energy Sportmix. I had switched over to this food along with a partner of mine about 6-7 months ago. (On the yard) I still feed Canidae to the dogs I keep at home & in keep. My partner has taken dogs off the yard to conformation shows with NO conditioning, or even a bath & either won or placed in most of the ADBA shows they had entered. I have also been given compliments on the condition of my yard dogs, including their coats & energy levels, & when I know the only thing going into them is the Sportmix I really can't complain. my dogs get around a coffee can a day, & if anyone thinks my dogs are suffering from this food please feel free to view my gallery. I also think that Exceed is a good food, but again these are only my opinions you own it you feed it what you want.Wow someone else who feeds the same stuff as me...do you give raw foods also... which I do... and was told I know knothing about nutrition...Maybe we are weird because according to what a dog needs from a person who knows more than me I guess we shouldn't be feeding it. I like it and have super healthy active and well cared for dogs... ask anyone who has seen them...and like you they always looked ready for show and fit and trim ...IMO Sportmix is great chain food but who cares im sure Ill hear about how wrong I am later...

[D.R KING]

Feeding a quality food, not that Ole Roy poison, will get much better results.
If you think he looks great now, change the food and he'll knock your socks off, but hey, its your dog..

[D.R KING]

Been fed Nutro max, his whole life....looks great to me...

[Texasbulldogs]

“other than the ingreadiance what else is the problem?”
Being the ingredients are what feeds the body, what more do you need? Post the ingredients of Ole Roy dog food, then try to list one (yes only one) quality ingredient in it, that’s designed for a working canine athlete!

“It sems we are all talking but nobody has posted the facts or a link to the facts”
How did you come that that conclusion? There are plenty of articles/thread on this board dealing with nutrition (use the search function!). Just because you might not know if they are factual or not, doesn’t mean they aren’t.

“I have read a few articles about dog foods being bad but nothing concreat.”
Then you need to continue reading, there are numerous factual articles pertaining to canine nutrition. Post your current kibble, someone will dissect it for you, if not I will attempt (most likely its all ready been discussed).

“I also would like to now how do we know if these high dollar dog foods don't have these same chemicals that is claimed to be in the cheaper ones.”
All you have to do is read the label, know what it is your feeding (canine), and what they require to thrive!

“For some who do not know a chemical is claimed to be in some dog foods that help put down the big animals. They say testing show very little traces of it and they say it is not harmfull then some say it is. I believe if it is in the food really how could they sell it any way. Could someone comment on this???”
Are you referring to ethoxyquin? Dog food manufacturers use synthetic preservatives because they keep their kibble from oxidizing longer (endless shelf life), than natural ones (tocopherols and ascorbic acid). Has nothing to do with being better or more beneficial to the dog/s!
Ethozyquin; Is a pesticide according to the Farm Chemical Handbook! The FDA allows 0.5-5 ppm in human foods, but for some ungodly reason allows 150 ppm in pet and livestock feed. Which when dealing with dogs, that somewhere in the neighborhood of roughly 300 times more than allowed for our (human) safety (pound for pound)! Look up “ethoxyquin” with the Chemical Toxicology of Consumer Products and see their rating of it! Or look at the Occupational, Safety and Health Administration, rating of it! Then see if you want it in your dog/s kibble. This chemical is used because it is the cheapest and most potent.
Or was you asking about butylated hydroxyoluene, or butylated hydroxyanisole? Either why there is safer, wiser choices when dealing with preservative additives

[misterdogman]

“other than the ingreadiance what else is the problem?”
Being the ingredients are what feeds the body, what more do you need? Post the ingredients of Ole Roy dog food, then try to list one (yes only one) quality ingredient in it, that’s designed for a working canine athlete!

“It sems we are all talking but nobody has posted the facts or a link to the facts”
How did you come that that conclusion? There are plenty of articles/thread on this board dealing with nutrition (use the search function!). Just because you might not know if they are factual or not, doesn’t mean they aren’t.

“I have read a few articles about dog foods being bad but nothing concreat.”
Then you need to continue reading, there are numerous factual articles pertaining to canine nutrition. Post your current kibble, someone will dissect it for you, if not I will attempt (most likely its all ready been discussed).

“I also would like to now how do we know if these high dollar dog foods don't have these same chemicals that is claimed to be in the cheaper ones.”
All you have to do is read the label, know what it is your feeding (canine), and what they require to thrive!

“For some who do not know a chemical is claimed to be in some dog foods that help put down the big animals. They say testing show very little traces of it and they say it is not harmfull then some say it is. I believe if it is in the food really how could they sell it any way. Could someone comment on this???”
Are you referring to ethoxyquin? Dog food manufacturers use synthetic preservatives because they keep their kibble from oxidizing longer (endless shelf life), than natural ones (tocopherols and ascorbic acid). Has nothing to do with being better or more beneficial to the dog/s!
Ethozyquin; Is a pesticide according to the Farm Chemical Handbook! The FDA allows 0.5-5 ppm in human foods, but for some ungodly reason allows 150 ppm in pet and livestock feed. Which when dealing with dogs, that somewhere in the neighborhood of roughly 300 times more than allowed for our (human) safety (pound for pound)! Look up “ethoxyquin” with the Chemical Toxicology of Consumer Products and see their rating of it! Or look at the Occupational, Safety and Health Administration, rating of it! Then see if you want it in your dog/s kibble. This chemical is used because it is the cheapest and most potent.
Or was you asking about butylated hydroxyoluene, or butylated hydroxyanisole? Either why there is safer, wiser choices when dealing with preservative additives

What about Vitamin E as a preservitive in conjunction with tocopherols and ascorbic acid ...good bad or indifferent???...thats what the Sportmix uses as a preservitive.

[dragonknight]

Well if these chemical are in one dog food they must be in all of them because it is all proccessed food. The only way you can really get the best diet is to raise your own cows ... LOL ...

I was talking to a friend about the dog foods yesterday he knew about claims of the poisons in the foods back in '95. He told me he cycles between different brands and includes raw meats and sometimes live bait.

He also told me about city water not being very good for dogs because of the chemicals use to keep it clean. Can any one elaberate on that?

[Texasbulldogs]

“What about Vitamin E as a preservitive”
It is a natural preservative, like stated in previous post.

“Well if these chemical are in one dog food they must be in all of them because it is all proccessed food.”
How and where do ya’ll come up with these outlandish statements? All dog feeds are not made the same, nor are they processed the same!

“I was talking to a friend about the dog foods yesterday he knew about claims of the poisons in the foods back in '95.”
They’ve been using chemicals like BHA, BTA, etc for over 30 years in the cheap kibbles.

“He told me he cycles between different brands and includes raw meats and sometimes live bait.”
What is the purpose or need for the “cycling” of the diet? There is no need for that, nor is there any benefit from cycling between cheap, sub-par feeds.

[440rider]

He told me he cycles between different brands and includes raw meats and sometimes live bait.
What is wrong with a good kibble? Is the reason behind cycling between different brands. Are people feeding ol roy and garbage food because of the $$ or do they truely believe it is good for their animals or just good enough? I never supplement my feed just curious to what the reasons behind this are? Tks

[dragonknight]

How old r you Tex? All food is proccessed if you buy it from a store or co-op. There is no telling what ends up in the food no matter what the company says. It is no different than getting you a steak from the butcher. He gets his meat somewhere else. Unless it is a butcher who raises his own, and still what did that cow eat what ever it eats you eat. Same for the dogs. The thing is nothing is perfect!

Why not cycle dog foods? Shouldn't you cut back on fat or protien intake changing it up. I never said anything about brands of food but what you feed your dog.

[Texasbulldogs]

“Why not cycle dog foods?”
Being most feed sub-par feed, all you end up doing is upsetting the gastrointestinal tract of the dog, at the least! Why should one cycle their dog/s feed and what benefit would you get?

“Shouldn't you cut back on fat or protien intake changing it up.”
Again, what would be the purpose of “cutting back” and cycling a dogs maintenance diet? They have their daily nutritional requirement that should always be meet if not exceeded! If anything, you would only increase their quality, never detract it!

[WeekendWarrior]

I didnt have time to read the whole thread so ill ask now. Does anybody else use natural choice? I was talked into buying it at petsmart when I first got my pup. Just curious to see if anybody else uses it or has any opinions on it. For a 20lb bag of large breed puppy it is $29 at the local southern states.

[JohnsonKennels]

http://boffemkennels.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/diamondlogo.jpg.w300h300.jpg (http://www.diamondpetfood.com/)

my dogs love, it's cheap and has all the goods too. check it out, lots of protien

[Flipside]

I have been feeding Canidae for 2 years now and am pleased with it! Before I was feeding Kirklands from Costco!

[D.R KING]

I just got some Canidae, I'm gonna switch for a couple of week and see where my dogs go from there. If nothing really changes, I'll go back to nutro

[dragonknight]

where can you buy Canidae is at walmart or at co-ops?

[Texasbulldogs]

“I'm gonna switch for a couple of week and see where my dogs go from there.”
If you’re only going to give any kibble a “couple of week” trial period, you’re wasting your time! At a minimum it take 4-6 weeks for a dogs system to adjust to a new diet. In two weeks they haven’t even had sufficient time to expel the garbage it was feed prior to the switch. Always give at least 3 months minimum, unless you notice a significant decrease in health and vitality.

[jadedpitgirl]

I have a male (rescue) who was fed strictly Ol' Roy before he came to my place. Before I knew better, I kept him on it. He actually did pretty well with this feed. After doing some research, I thought I was doing my dogs a favor by switching to Pedigree:o When I got my last female from a breeder friend, she told me to switch to Maxximum Nutrition. She fed everyone of her dogs (25+) this food and they all looked great. My 3 dogs did okay on it, but I recently switched again. I have now been using Intimidator dog food (50 lbs/$24) and my dogs are doing so much better. They aren't as "fat" or "bloated" looking like they seemed to be on the other feed, they have so much more energy, and I am extremely impressed. Before my switch to the Intimidator, I had used Nutro for a 6 month period, and wasn't liking it at all. All in all I believe I will be sticking with the Intimidator along with the 2-3 days of feeding meat.

[dragonknight]

I found this it may be of interest to some:
source is: http://www.k-9power.com/creatineart.htm

Wild vs. Supermarket Meats
Other researchers examining the relationship between domestic and wild animals within the same species have noted striking differences in lipid content and profile depending on whether the animals are fed wild or domestic diets. This difference within the same species, influenced solely by diet, suggests that there are significant but subtle differences in wild and domestic meats.

One of the most important differences in wild and domestic meats appears to be Creatine content. Although more research remains to be conducted, it can be said that all meat is not the same. Clearly, meat is much more than a mere vehicle for dietary protein.


Based on studies by Mesch and other researchers, it appears that wild dogs can "wolf" up to several kilos of fresh wild meat at a sitting. Since muscle tissue is the primary repository of Creatine, it can be reasonably said that wolves consume relatively large amounts of Creatine when lucky enough to make a kill, or scavenge. Based on French research, this wild meat may contain more Creatine than domestic meats. At any rate, dogs enjoy meat and will eat large amounts at almost any opportunity. With every bite of meat they take, Mother Nature makes sure they get Creatine, too.


It can also be said that dogs are evolutionary-designed to consume not just meat, but also the Creatine within the meat as part of Nature's wisdom. Interestingly, the first major Creatine study in America was conducted on dogs in the early 1920's at Cornell University. Scientists found a sharp rise in protein/nitrogen retention when exogenous Creatine was supplied in the diet. Increasing protein retention is important because it is stored in muscle tissue, and less is lost through the kidneys.


But unlike meat, and especially wild meat, commercial dog food contains very little Creatine. This may be one reason why meat diets, most recently advocated by Dr. Billinghurst, and others over the years, report meat-based or meat-supplemented diets as providing more health benefits than dry commercial dog food alone.


The lack of Creatine in commercial dog food, and the replacement of it in meat, may be a part of Nature's wisdom of feeding meat to dogs. So when you feed meat, you provide much more than just protein and amino acids; you replace "lost" wild nutrients missing from commercial dog food. Science is just now beginning to understand "why" meat is so beneficial and productive to dogs. One of these "lost" factors lost in modern foods, but contained in meat, is certainly Creatine.


So when you feed meat to your dog--especially raw meat-- you're also supplementing Creatine because Creatine is built into the molecular structure of meat-part of the package. It's clear that Creatine intake is NOT new for dogs. Actually, the absence of Creatine is new. Until commercial dog foods came into being, dogs consumed Creatine in the meat they ate from our plates. With modern dog foods, Creatine intake virtually stopped.

[Miss Conduct]

Does anyone know what Topic the Rate your dogfood was under??? I'd like to rate mine.

[Jenn]

http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6106

There you go :)

[NC]

Hey folks..new poster here. I actually just stumbled across this board and decided to see whats up. I own 2 pits, Boomer and Cheyenne. Boomer is 7 months Cheyenne is 4 months and she's of the Big Ben bloodline. I started out feeding them Purina puppy chow, but now I hear thats not a good food for them. I want to feed them both a decent food but without breaking the bank. So what does anyone know about a brand called Maxximum nutrition. I was looking at it...crude protein 28.00% crude fat 17% crude fiber 3% moisture 10% calicum 1% posphorus .80% omega6 2.30% omega 3 0.23 %...... any suggestions?

[SMOKIN HEMI]

I have always feed my dogs Diamond Premium Adult, sometimes I will add and egg for his coat. Sometime I will mix it with Pedigree lamb and rice they have it like a stew.

[NC]

I am looking a feed that is good for them, but also good for my wallet, there is a farmer feed supply up the road from me and they have many many different types but I am not sure whats what.. the guy there suggested one called intimidator 28/18 said that is what he feeds his dogs

[SMOKIN HEMI]

diamond premium adult is 23.00 swints feed store in Jonesboro ga. 23.00 for HIgh energy also..

[SMOKIN HEMI]

50pd bag you can't beat that

[BoiBoi]

Well i feed my dog Innova Evo, its one of the best foods out there for dogs because its made from all raw foods. A 28lb bag runs about 30 to 35 dollars but it last longer than a big bag because u only need to feed a little bit because of the high nutritional content. I used to feed my dog cheap super market food that came in 50lb bags and i would go through that big bag in a month now the small bag last me just as much if not a little longer. If u spend a little more money now ur save a lot of money later.

[NC]

the intimidator was 26.00 I think for 50lbs..which isn't bad. but they had so many different brands. Some sort of chicken soup something or another was another one that has been suggested to me. But I don't have a price it. the purina I was feeding my 2 I'd go through 50lb in a month

[NC]

But I also throw some cheap steak or chicken meat in for them fairly often too for a little raw meat in their diets. Hopefully I'll get a picture of them on here soon

[BoiBoi]

U need to take them off that purina junk as soon as possible. check out this website it'll help u decide what to feed. www.dogfoodanalysis.com (http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/)

[cemoreno]

I feed Diamond Naturals Large Breed Puppy it runs $26.00 40lbs. here in N. Texas. I switched to it because it was highly recomended by many breeders here. Plus my dogs quite eatting there Nutro Food they just picked at it and I have heard of this problem with many of my friends. Also this food scored 108 A+ on that food rating post.
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6106

[14rock]

Chicken soup is a decent kibble. Check out the link BoiBoi has already posted.

[Red_Chrome]

I feed Solid Gold Hund-N-Flocken(Adult Lamb and Rice) and a 1/2 lb. Raw food every day through the week. They get fed 6 days 1 day fast. Repeated every week.I have a question though on the rate your dog food was the score for the solid gold Hund supposed to be 63 and a D or 93(thats what it says) and a B. caus eit says 93 and a D. Just curious.

[purplepig]

I use Beef and More from Sam's. Used Ole Roy when I was 16. Found out that most of the nutrients are passed to poo instead of into the dog. I pay about 15 bucks for 40#bag. Look at it and correct me, if needs be! I am no nutritionalist.
P Pig

[monsterVili]

i have a buddy who feeds old roy and i think his dogs look like crap but from what i see it doesn't effect their performance, he is also on a tight budget and has more dogs than i. i feed nutro makes the coat look good and i can keep the chain areas clean of crap as none of my dogs have had diarrhea since i started feeding it and that was 5yrs ago.

[Riptora]

Ol Roy made one of my dogs sick and made his allergies wild.
Petco used to have the most awesome kibble. It was made by them, I think it was called Solid Gold, or Pet Gold, I know it had the word "Gold" in it. It was a VERY nice quality and almost as cheap as Ol Roy. They had Chicken and Lamb. I bought the lamb and the ingredients were great, the lamb was #1 on the list and the food was nice and oily... my dogs did great on it and I couldn't believe what I was getting for the price. It was only a few dollars more than Ol Roy.
Too bad they discontinued it... I was not a happy camper.

[debodebo]

I feed chicken soup for the puppy lovers soul. It has been working out well for me. I don't know when I need to switch to the puppy to the dog kibble. He is only 12 weeks now.

[NC]

Does anyone know anything about a brand called intimidator 28/18? This was suggested to me buy the guy at the feed store as one he had success with. And its reasonable at 28.00 for 50 lbs

[debodebo]

Sorry never heard of it.

[tickdog]

has anyone tried river run dog food?any thoughts about this brand would help.

[cheese]

river run's first five ingredients: meat and bone meal, yellow corn, brewers rice, corn gluten, animal fat.
after you combine the two sources of corn it would most likely be the first ingredient and that is no good. also i dont think meat and bone meal are great sources of protien.
I am no dog food expert but i have genaral knowledge about reading the label and what ingredients to stay away from. corn being one of those ingredients.

[GSDbulldog]

meat and bone meal

Be wary of unspecific forms of "meat". This can include euthanized companion animals, roadkill, leftover meat/organs from slaughter, etc. It's rendered down in a big "meat stew" before it makes it's way into your dogs food. Sounds yummy, doesn't it?

River Run is just as bad as Ol'Roy.

I can guarantee you something though- Your dogs rear will run like a river on that food.

[Jasper]

I feed Wellness with some Variety lamb meat in it. Sometimes I add eggs with the shells and Nutricoat for the coat to look nice and shiny.

[purplepig]

I feed mine Beef and More. Any comments?

[Boss' Mom]

I feed Innova Dog Food. Since I made the switch from puppy to dog food about a month ago, my dog has lost 2kgs (4.4lbs) even with feeding the maximum recommended amount for very acitve or "performance" dogs. However, it has the highest amount of calories per cup than any other foods...lol so anyway, other than the fact I have to feed my little spaz even more than it recommends, I love this food. I also like the Wellness foods :)

[NC]

I was talking to my brother in law today about dog foods. He raises huntin' dogs, coon hounds especially and he feeds something called Black Gold. Does anyone here know anything about this brand he has nothing but good things to say about it.

[NC]

This is the ingredients list on the Black Gold Ultimate Pup formula... any suggestions?

Chicken, Chicken By Product Meal, Corn Meal, Fish Meal, Poultry Fat (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols - Source Of Vitamin El, Brewer’s Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Ground Whole Grain Barley, Dried Beet Pulp, Vegetable Oil, Natural Poultry Flavoring, Potassium (‘Blonde, Dried Egg Product, Brewer’s Dried Yeast, Salt, Fructooligosaccharides, Essential Vitamins, & Proteinated Minerals

[Dirty3rd]

Diamond here. Puppy for the pups and high energy adult for the older ones. I agree there are equally good brands out there but I've been more than satisfied with Diamond.

[flip]

Authority here...it's a bit pricey but my dogs seem to enjoy it!

[Boss' Mom]

This is the ingredients list on the Black Gold Ultimate Pup formula... any suggestions?

Chicken, Chicken By Product Meal, Corn Meal, Fish Meal, Poultry Fat (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols - Source Of Vitamin El, Brewer’s Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Ground Whole Grain Barley, Dried Beet Pulp, Vegetable Oil, Natural Poultry Flavoring, Potassium (‘Blonde, Dried Egg Product, Brewer’s Dried Yeast, Salt, Fructooligosaccharides, Essential Vitamins, & Proteinated Minerals
I try to stay away from any foods with by product and fillers like corn. They've listed chicken by product meal as the second ingredient, and corn right after that. I wouldn't recommend that food. Hope that helps :)

[Boss' Mom]

Well i feed my dog Innova Evo, its one of the best foods out there for dogs because its made from all raw foods. A 28lb bag runs about 30 to 35 dollars but it last longer than a big bag because u only need to feed a little bit because of the high nutritional content. I used to feed my dog cheap super market food that came in 50lb bags and i would go through that big bag in a month now the small bag last me just as much if not a little longer. If u spend a little more money now ur save a lot of money later.
Just to let you know, Innova Evo's protein content is too high and a lot of people have had problems with that food. Just a friendly tip. I feed Innova dog food, and I really like it. Just as good quality with a healthier protein content :)

[Family of 4]

Ole roy is crap. Along with everything else from wal mart. Everything is full of corn in by products. Spend the extra money money on the good food you will spend less down the road. I used to feed purina and my male alon could go through 50 bucks a month. I feed authority harvest baked to my dogs and I go through 2 40 bags a month. Costing me 64 bucks. I love it itit contains no corn or wheat no by products no aritificail coloring or flavoring.

[420puffer]

I really want to try the Kirklands from Costco. Any reasons why I should NOT try it? I heard its comes from Diamond.. Thats the only reason why I havent tried it yet because of the problem a year ago or so..

[Riptora]

There is a very neat food called the Verve which is a dehydrated bucket of raw food. It sounds great, pretty genius. It is sold on the Leerburg.com web site and I've seen some articles about it. I think it's the next best thing other than cooking for your canine.

My ex's father bought a bag of the cheapest dog food I've ever seen. It was actually called Dog RATION! LOL, I thought was funny... not for the dog though.

[NCPatchwork]

I like SportsMan's pride. I like it alot..none of my dogs really liked the old food I was feeding so I switched to that. My male and female look great and they LOVE the food.

[NC]

Think I am going to give the chicken Soup for the puppy lovers soul stuff a try. They sell it near me and its pretty reasonable. That or the Nutro.. gotta check the feed store tomrrow.

[purplepig]

I am feeding a food that has :

Analysis
Crude Protein(min)27.0%, Crude fat (min) 11.0%, Crude Fiber(max)3.5%, Moisture(max) 10.0%, Linoleic Acid(min)1.5%, Alpha-Linolenic Acid(min).3%, Calcium;Phosphorus Ratio 1.5:1.0

Ingedients
Fresh Beef, ground yellow corn, soybean meal, corn gluten meal, beef and bone meal, wheat, wheat middlings, animal fat, flaxseed, yeast culture, fish meal, calcium carbonate, dicalcium, phosphate,potassium chloride(isn't this poison?), salt, choline chloride, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, dried whole whey, vitamin E, manganese proteinate, vitamin A supplement, beta carotene, vitamin B12 supplement, copper proteinate, d-calcium pantothenate, vitamin D3, niacin, lecithin, riboflavin supplement, biotin, ethylenediamine dihydriodide, pyridoxine hydrochloride, cobalt proteinate, folic acid, thiamine mononitrate, sodium selenite.

I am pretty ignorant as to what most of those words mean. Is this bad kibble or not?

[debodebo]

I use the chicken soup for puppy and love it . I think I am going to start skipping puppy food all together and start them out on Chicken soup for the dog lovers soul.

[Boss' Mom]

I am feeding a food that has :

Analysis
Crude Protein(min)27.0%, Crude fat (min) 11.0%, Crude Fiber(max)3.5%, Moisture(max) 10.0%, Linoleic Acid(min)1.5%, Alpha-Linolenic Acid(min).3%, Calcium;Phosphorus Ratio 1.5:1.0

Ingedients
Fresh Beef, ground yellow corn, soybean meal, corn gluten meal, beef and bone meal, wheat, wheat middlings, animal fat, flaxseed, yeast culture, fish meal, calcium carbonate, dicalcium, phosphate,potassium chloride(isn't this poison?), salt, choline chloride, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, dried whole whey, vitamin E, manganese proteinate, vitamin A supplement, beta carotene, vitamin B12 supplement, copper proteinate, d-calcium pantothenate, vitamin D3, niacin, lecithin, riboflavin supplement, biotin, ethylenediamine dihydriodide, pyridoxine hydrochloride, cobalt proteinate, folic acid, thiamine mononitrate, sodium selenite.

I am pretty ignorant as to what most of those words mean. Is this bad kibble or not?
Avoid fillers like corn (which a lot of dogs have problems with because they are allergic) and avoid by-products. Neither ingredient is good for the dog.

Go for health foods, much higher quality (and higher price) it'll last you a lot longer than crap food will, plus your dog will be a lot healthier :)

[purplepig]

Avoid fillers like corn (which a lot of dogs have problems with because they are allergic) and avoid by-products. Neither ingredient is good for the dog.

Go for health foods, much higher quality (and higher price) it'll last you a lot longer than crap food will, plus your dog will be a lot healthier :)
So is this crap food? I feed them 3 1/2 cups per day, and that is the high side rating off the bag.

[Boss' Mom]

So is this crap food? I feed them 3 1/2 cups per day, and that is the high side rating off the bag.
What do they weigh? My dog is 47lbs and I feed 2.5 cups per day (for very active or performance dogs)...Actually I've had to up it to 3 cups because he is losing weight, but that's not very common, his metabolism is still very fast. Here's some foods I like and would recommend: Wellness, Innova, Canidae, Nature's Variety and I've also heard Timberwolf is very good (I haven't seen the ingredients before).

[purplepig]

What do they weigh? My dog is 47lbs and I feed 2.5 cups per day (for very active or performance dogs)...Actually I've had to up it to 3 cups because he is losing weight, but that's not very common, his metabolism is still very fast. Here's some foods I like and would recommend: Wellness, Innova, Canidae, Nature's Variety and I've also heard Timberwolf is very good (I haven't seen the ingredients before).
the heaviest female that I have now weighs about 50, and really, she needs to lose alittle. The female in my sig pic is the heaviest one that I have now. I have a pup that will be larger when grown. I have mostly gone for the game dogs. One of the best dogs I ever had weighed 32#. All of my dogs are short. Tallest being about a hand below my knee. Chopper is my only male on the place now(Gaff), I do have two more coming, one of which I am very excited about. Sorrell on bottom and Beaudrox on top (I know I prob. mispelled it).

Jay

[Boss' Mom]

the heaviest female that I have now weighs about 50, and really, she needs to lose alittle. The female in my sig pic is the heaviest one that I have now. I have a pup that will be larger when grown. I have mostly gone for the game dogs. One of the best dogs I ever had weighed 32#. All of my dogs are short. Tallest being about a hand below my knee. Chopper is my only male on the place now(Gaff), I do have two more coming, one of which I am very excited about. Sorrell on bottom and Beaudrox on top (I know I prob. mispelled it).

Jay
Boss is kinda tall, I think...but it might just be because I'm short ha. He's just above my knee. Anyway, check out some of those foods and look at the ingredients, I don't understand all of the terms, but I do understand most. If you like, I can grade the foods for you. I know Innova is about 112 grade A+ food.:)

[jratl1]

Does anyone feed their dogs Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium I haven't seen any opinons on it. I also heard that it is better to feed a puppy adult dog food than starting them out on puppy food. What is yalls outlook on that?

[maryellen1]

purplepig, switch your dogs off that crap food, andyou will feed them less, and they will look and feel better., like everyone said, corn and fillers are no good, and with those ingredients they are actually making the meat go down on the ingredient list.
if you want a good food, thats not to expensive, try:

www.canidae.com (http://www.canidae.com)

www.timberwolforganics.com (http://www.timberwolforganics.com)

the Dick van patten dry is kinda expensive, i tried it and for $43 for a 30 lb bag my dogs did better on the canidae, which for a 40 lb bag was only $30 by me.

you want to stay away from anything that has by products, beet pulp, guar gum, sugar, salt, and anything that has alot of grains and fillers..

[jratl1]

purplepig, switch your dogs off that crap food, andyou will feed them less, and they will look and feel better., like everyone said, corn and fillers are no good, and with those ingredients they are actually making the meat go down on the ingredient list.
if you want a good food, thats not to expensive, try:

www.canidae.com (http://www.canidae.com)

www.timberwolforganics.com (http://www.timberwolforganics.com)

the Dick van patten dry is kinda expensive, i tried it and for $43 for a 30 lb bag my dogs did better on the canidae, which for a 40 lb bag was only $30 by me.

you want to stay away from anything that has by products, beet pulp, guar gum, sugar, salt, and anything that has alot of grains and fillers..
I found a 35lb bag for bout $32.99 at petco. Do you think it is worth it?

[jratl1]

I'm sorry the 35lb bag is of the dick van patten.

[maryellen1]

YES.. its very expensive by me for some reason, and that price by you is a good price..

[Boss' Mom]

Does anyone feed their dogs Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium I haven't seen any opinons on it. I also heard that it is better to feed a puppy adult dog food than starting them out on puppy food. What is yalls outlook on that?
I don't think it's better to feed dog food to a puppy, but a lot of people do because they think feeding the puppy food is not necesssary, and in a lot of cases, that's true. I fed mine puppy food up until about a month ago, but only because he's always been quite thin, and he wouldn't do very well on the adult food do the the lower caloric content. It all depends on your dog. You could try feeding him/her the adult food and see how he/she does. Hope that helps :)

[maryellen1]

i have never fed any puppies puppy food, i put them right on adult food when they come in. i have not noticed any difference, the ones that come in my house do fine on puppy food. the only dog that got puppy food was my gsd when she was a pup and i switched her to adult food at 6 months old, so i am not sure if there are any difference.

[mikefromMD]

I switch between Nutro and Innova (currently feeding) mixed 3 - 4 times a week with alot of raw meat, some gizzards and liver as well as green beans, greens and salmon oil mixed in. My dogs are very healthy, look great and have alot of energy.

[Linz216]

im using nutro, just started but seems to be working fine for me

[14rock]

I fed Nutro for awhile, it was the *best* (I use that term lightly) I could find in my area. I fed it for about 2 months and for the first few weeks, they looked great. The entire last week I fed it, extreme hair loss, diahrea, trouble keeping weight on the dogs as it was going straight through them before being digested. I switched to Timberwolf awhile ago, and am absolutely pleased. I still havent hit the "3 month transition" period, this is the time it takes for the old junk to exit the body. I'm getting pretty close, and the dogs look better by the day. Extremely healthy coats,tons of energy, small dark stools once a day.

Chloe is sampling Canidae, and doing extremely well on that too. She had severe skin problems when she was re-homed, and being almost a pure white dog, was to be expected. She was being fed Authority, and her body was a red, painful looking sight. Her coat was also quite dull. On Canidae, she is no longer pink, and her coat is beautiful.

I would recommend both Canidae and Timberwolf, I plan on mixing in a bag of Innova Evo in a few months for a one-bag rotation, so I would also recommend that. Chicken Soup, Dick Van Pattens, etc are also good foods.

[BoiBoi]

My dog has been on innova evo for a little over a month now after being on beneful for almost a year and a half. Should i expect the transition phase to take a little longer because he was on the junk food for that long. Right now he's got small stools but he also has some diahrea, im just wondering if the diahrea is from the transition.

[14rock]

A general rule of thumb is it takes about 3 months to rid the body of old junk. He will keep looking better and better by the day :D

[maryellen1]

switching from beneful to innova evo is a BIG switch.. you went from basically crappy food to top of the line lobster.. your dog is probably having the runs due to the switch, it usually takes a mont to have normal stools for some dogs, however, the innova evo could be too rich for him.. with the innova, you should also be feeding ALOT LESS.. never follow the feedigns on the bags, i would say give your dog only 2 cups of food per day depending on what his energy is like. it is possible he cant tolerate that rich food. you might have to lower the notch to maybe Canidae instead of the INNOVA, as innova evo has 42% protein, which is ALOT for most dogs. most dog foods protein levels hover between 21-34% which is more normal.

[BoiBoi]

I do only feed him 2 cups a day and he is already looking better and has a lot more energy, but the only thing is he has some diahrea. I think maybe i'll see what happens after this next month and if he still has it then ill switch to something with less protein like canidae or just plain innova dry dog food.

[maryellen1]

i would switch him now. dont bother waiting another month. when i switch dog foods i dont do it gradually, i do it at that moment, sometimes the dogs have the runs, but rarely.. for your dog to still have the runs,sounds like the innova evo is too good for him LOL. the innova large breed dog food for adults has 25% protein which is alot less then the evo at 42%.. a working dog that is constantly on the go would probably do good with the 42% protein. innova dry dog food has 24% protein.

timberwolforganics.com most of their food has 24% protein.
canidae has around 22-24%

some dogs just dont do good on higher protein. when you switch him to a lower protein food the longest he should have the runs should be a day, two days max..

[BoiBoi]

I don't know i think i'm still going to hold off for this last month because this still might be a form of detox because he was on the bad food for so long, but thanx for the tip.

[maryellen1]

hey no problem!!! let us know what happens.

[14rock]

Get a test done for worms, they will cause the dog to have the runs. Theres no reason the dog is having the runs on Innova ;)

[maryellen1]

shoot i forgot about worms!!! GREAT advise!!! yes, get him tested for worms!!

[BoiBoi]

I was actually thinking about that because it seemed a little odd that he had the runs from food for that long a period, im gonna have to give my vet a call and get the tests run. Who knows the food might be just fine and maybe it is worms.

[Boss' Mom]

i have never fed any puppies puppy food, i put them right on adult food when they come in. i have not noticed any difference, the ones that come in my house do fine on puppy food. the only dog that got puppy food was my gsd when she was a pup and i switched her to adult food at 6 months old, so i am not sure if there are any difference.
The difference is that the puppy foods tend to be a lot more nutrient dense. I had to keep Boss on puppy food until he was 10 months old. Even though Innova dog food has the highest caloric content of any of the health foods, it's still not enough for him. That's the only reason he's still on Innova, actually. Once his metabolism starts to slow down, and I can feed him the max recommended amount without him losing weight drastically, I will probably switch to Canidae. But yeah, that's one reason to feed a puppy puppy food. Some just don't do well on the adult until after their metabolism has slowed down a bit.

BoiBoi - Innova is a good food, however, Innova EVO has a very high protein content. Too high, IMO. Worms might have something to do with the diahrea, or it could be the food.

[BoiBoi]

Boss' Mom, thanks but i already know that innova evo has a very high protein diet thats because its the closest thing to feeding the b.a.r.f. diet which in my opinion and a lot of other peoples is the healthiest diet for your dog. Now that i think about it im pretty sure my dog must have some form of worms because i don't think any food would make him have diahrea for this long.

[Noname]

Innova is well known for giving dogs the runs just as it is known for its recalls. How is evo similar to a BARF diet? There has been a number of individuals write about the harms of such high proteins in a dog food. I believe Texasbulldog even wrote something about it on this board? But would still like to here how it is comparable seeing how raw is 70-80% water and the highest protein of an animal is around 18%. A dog in a keep doesn't need that much protein. Hell from what I've been told by a number of people into nutrition. Not even sled dogs get such high percentages of protein.

[dog-man]

Hey guyz, I currently feed canadae, but its a lil more than what I can afford right now, been checking out some dog foods with no corn and found this brand , looks pretty good to me and its only $22 for a 43lb bag, what do you all say about this dog food, I think its alright , not great, especially for that price .


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Lamb Meal, Brewers Rice, Chicken Meal, Rice Flour, Rice Bran, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Dried Beet Pulp, Dried Egg Product, Salt, Yeast Culture, Potassium Chloride, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Copper Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Zinc Oxide, Magnesium Oxide. </td></tr><tr><td colspan="5"> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="5">Guaranteed Analysis:</td></tr><tr><td colspan="5"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="300"><tbody><tr><td>Crude Protein (minimum) </td><td>23 </td></tr><tr><td>Crude Fat (minimum) </td><td>14 </td></tr><tr><td>Moisture (maximum) </td><td>10 </td></tr><tr><td>Crude Fiber (maximum) </td><td>3 </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody> </table> </td></tr><tr><td colspan="4">
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[Game Face]

try rebell get half a pallet for 110.00 at the feed store its a maintain food about 11.00 a bag no corn

[NC]

ok I finally decided on an affordable brand and I', in the process of switching my dogs over to it. Diamond lamb and rice large breed puppy, 24.00 for 40lbs..not bad and its better than ol' roy and those other cheap-o brands. And they didn't turn their noses up to it when I fed them some out of hand today.

[BoiBoi]

Innova is well known for giving dogs the runs just as it is known for its recalls. How is evo similar to a BARF diet? There has been a number of individuals write about the harms of such high proteins in a dog food. I believe Texasbulldog even wrote something about it on this board? But would still like to here how it is comparable seeing how raw is 70-80% water and the highest protein of an animal is around 18%. A dog in a keep doesn't need that much protein. Hell from what I've been told by a number of people into nutrition. Not even sled dogs get such high percentages of protein.
Um ok so does anybody on this forum even know what they are talking about anymore. A little over a month ago i posted a thread because i wanted to find out what was the best possible food to feed my dog because at the time i was feeding him junk supermarket food. All i ever heard was that if u can afford it get innova evo, its the best possible stuff for your dog and now i got this telling me that the food isn't all that good. Whats funny is that EVO was rated at the top on the dog food analysis website so what am i supposed to believe now?

[Boss' Mom]

Well, I've always thought that the evo has an unhealthy protein content. Some people like the food, and I suppose some dogs do well on it. I'd have to assume only dogs that are extremely active do. Anyway, I just don't think the evo is a good choice. There are plenty of health foods that have a normal protein content that are very high quality. Also, I'm pretty sure the evo has a high grade, but when grading the foods, I don't think you add or take away points for protein content, that may be the reason for it being "one of the top foods." Correct me if I'm wrong anyone :)


BoiBoi, if you think your dog is doing well on the food, and want to keep him on it, go for it. We're just trying to let you know that a lot of people agree the protein content is too high and that people have had problems with the food. Good luck! :)

[BoiBoi]

Boss' Mom, The most problems i've heard that people have had with the EVO is kidney problems and that was because the dog already had problems with its kidney's and the EVO just exposed it. Anyway im gonna stick to the EVO for a little while longer atleast until i get the worm tests done then i can see if it was the food or worms.

[14rock]

High Protein is fine in a active dog, as long as it has no underlieing kidney problems. It doesnt cause illnesses, it simply brings them forward if they are present. Innova Evo is a good kibble, the best? I dont think so, but its definetly top 3 and I would feed it.

[BoiBoi]

thanks 14rock, I feel confident that my dog will be at his best with this food so until something comes up im gonna stick to it.

[maryellen1]

Boi Boi, if you are going to keep your dog on the EVO, then i suggest having regular blood tests done every 6 months to make sure the 42% protein is not causing problems with his kidneys....

[BoiBoi]

Boi Boi, if you are going to keep your dog on the EVO, then i suggest having regular blood tests done every 6 months to make sure the 42% protein is not causing problems with his kidneys....
Read 14rock's post right before mine. My dog doesn't have kidney problems and the food won't cause him to have any kidney problems later.

[maryellen1]

i didnt see 14 rocks' reply.. oops.. i would still even though your dog is healthy do blood work to make sure.. just my opinion. another great food is www.timberwolforganics.com (http://www.timberwolforganics.com) they deliver to your door.