Old irish staff

[ohpitbulls]

My friend owns what he calls a old irish staff . An if someone would tell me what is the difference between all the staff bull terriers ?

[dannyboy]

My friend owns what he calls a old irish staff . An if someone would tell me what is the difference between all the staff bull terriers ?
A staff is a staff...ask him what dogs are behind his dog and i may be able to shed some light on it for you.
Cheers Dan

[Bastian]

The old irish staff is often taller than the standard staff. Some say its a pitbull, some say its a bad lokking staffie and some say its from old irish dogs. Its difficult to know the truth about it.

[Deniz]

Old Irish staff ? Isn't that just the Irish staff ...

[KBK]

When somebody says "Old Irish Staff" they are usually referring to Old game bred dogs going back to the likes of Physco / Dublin Red / O'Flynn and a few others, not show stock,check out the Staff thread / Sub Section

[jjbulls]

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm223/jjbulls/DSC01308.jpg this is Spike he is a line bred Irish stafford & can be traced back to the original dogs ... brought into the u.k. ;)

[ohpitbulls]

Does anyone know a good breeder in america with this line of dogs . My friend got his when he was in the uk an it is of the dublin red stran

[beanieman]

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm223/jjbulls/DSC01308.jpg this is Spike he is a line bred Irish stafford & can be traced back to the original dogs ... brought into the u.k. ;)
Correct me if i'm wrong John.
But did you not sel that dog for a 1000 euro to FH here in holland.
He's been bragging about it and how he payd so much money for a true 'irish stafford' .
But you still use him now in your promotion ???
FH is promoting the same dog as a true old time irish stafford on this site.
http://www.freewebs.com/irishstafford/

Could you please explain this.
Are you both now using the dog to get as much out of it as you can.
And for what purpose.
Or did you sel him a pup for 1000 euro's?
If so cuddo's to you mate for asking so much money and getting it for them.

[Blanco]

Like dannyboy said, a staff is a staff.

[OnTheRocks]

Don´t wanna make anyone upset, but really doubt that is a 100% pure Staff... He is built the wrong way, has the wrong head, wrong ears etc.

[ohpitbulls]

^^^then post a pic of a correct
Irish Staff

[jjbulls]

Correct me if i'm wrong John.
But did you not sel that dog for a 1000 euro to FH here in holland.
He's been bragging about it and how he payd so much money for a true 'irish stafford' .
But you still use him now in your promotion ???
FH is promoting the same dog as a true old time irish stafford on this site.
http://www.freewebs.com/irishstafford/

Could you please explain this.
Are you both now using the dog to get as much out of it as you can.
And for what purpose.
Or did you sel him a pup for 1000 euro's?
If so cuddo's to you mate for asking so much money and getting it for them.
I dont know where you got this rubbish from ..? we still have Spike . & he is at home here with us.. i would Never sell any of our dogs ....!! we have Sold Frank Hygberts 3 pups for £5oo each & that was over 2 years ago & they were all bitches... Who the fuck do you think you are accussing me of this shit ....you need to get your facts right ..! check the A.C.E.S. results & youl see Spike on feb 6 2010 in lure race .. i surgesr you put your brain into gear before you open your big mouth ......

[jjbulls]

Don´t wanna make anyone upset, but really doubt that is a 100% pure Staff... He is built the wrong way, has the wrong head, wrong ears etc. I dont want to upsett you either.. but have you ever seen an Irish Staff ?? wrong ears.. & wrong head ... Ha..!ha..! .....i sugest you go www.keetches-Irish-Staffords.com (http://www.keetches-Irish-Staffords.com) & our Spike is outa Troy & Motor.......:rolleyes:

[ohpitbulls]

^^^^^ that link did not work post a pic of a correct IRISH STAFF

[XXLbully]

http://www.keetchs-irish-staffords.com/

[oldtymer]

Dann's Rocky and Asquith Dart bred in ireland "irish staffords"
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b62/scarrs/danns_rocky__red_darth_of_asquith.jpg
A couple morehttp://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm115/otstaffs/thegreatbruce.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm115/otstaffs/trapwolfXmolly.jpg

[oldtymer]

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm115/otstaffs/rodgersoscar.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm115/otstaffs/rodgerssquaw.jpg

[oldtymer]

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm115/otstaffs/rodgersarchie.jpg

[nasher]

Dann's Rocky and Asquith Dart bred in ireland "irish staffords"
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b62/scarrs/danns_rocky__red_darth_of_asquith.jpg
A couple morehttp://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm115/otstaffs/thegreatbruce.jpg
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm115/otstaffs/trapwolfXmolly.jpg

old tymer some very good examples the great bruce and trap and not forgetting rocky & bess ;)

[beanieman]

I dont know where you got this rubbish from ..? we still have Spike . & he is at home here with us.. i would Never sell any of our dogs ....!! we have Sold Frank Hygberts 3 pups for £5oo each & that was over 2 years ago & they were all bitches... Who the fuck do you think you are accussing me of this shit ....you need to get your facts right ..! check the A.C.E.S. results & youl see Spike on feb 6 2010 in lure race .. i surgesr you put your brain into gear before you open your big mouth ......
Wel then it was indeed rubbish.
You do not need to get so upset about it.
There just questions, people talk i seen this dog on that site and in the beginning he had posted more pics of spike.
I really thought it was his dog and also what was told last year by his own neighbour and it could be possible that you both used him for sutted bitches.
A lot of dog changes hands in time between breeders.
And for what purpose, i personaly do not think he is fitting the standard of a good working dog, to big, to much bully, troy and motor have better offspring.
Nothing personal but my opinion.
Come on mate you had just 8 post and was already offering your pups to somebody who want a stafford she could pay for, in the states as i recal it.
I did not see the aces result, because i hardly check up on those.
Do love the events but not so much important for me to follow the stats of your dogs.
I just had questions and in your way you gave answer.

[Ragingstorm]

Is There An Irish Stafford Breed?

There's alot of confusion, what is an Irish Stafford and does such a dog exist
To clear up statements as to believers and the non believers of Irish staffords, it's really plain and very simple, if your born in the UK, your from the united kingdom and if your born in Ireland, your simply Irish and that goes very much in to the many debates on the internet as to whether there is an Irish stafford.... and the answer would be absolutley yes, but in saying that, if the question asked was, is the stafford breed itself from Ireland and the answer would be no, ALL the staffordshire bull terriers, in show, hunt and field, including the gamebred lines all of them either came down from staffords brought into Ireland from the UK or dogs bred down from the imports.. but there is no mistaken that the breed is 100% UK, I just feel that the Irish lads used them a little bit more to proove to themselves that what they were feeding and had on the other end of the lead was the real macoy, they could do what they were bred for and at the time the badger was the test.

There are so many different stories out there over the internet on the Irish dogs but only the folk that were there when all of this took place can verify what I am saying is the truth, I've been around and seen some of the best show, field and game Stafford's in the world, as a young boy I would be sitting in the back of my uncles car, which was an Austin A30, he also had a Mini Estate and I would be in the back seat of the car holding onto many of the great Stafford's of that time while we were taking them out to exercise, I would be in the middle of them all being bumped around.

Many great Stafford's were bred in Ireland and many great terrier men tested them on the badger....there were a very few that dabbled in the fighting end of things but a majority of the terrier men ran the dogs on the badger, well in those days, and at that point in time Ireland was plagued with the Badger and was in the Irish eyes a major concern for the disease TB... so the IKC (Irish Kennel Club) came up with the game cert, for terriers that could pull of hold a badger and was rewarded points on how good they did.... many of the terriermen saw this a great opportunity to make their dogs up, (Title Champion) so they traveled the length of the country for badger digs which were sponsored by the IKC, appointed noted IKC terrier men to judge the events, so came terriermen from all over Ireland to test their dogs, one of those men was my uncle William Delaney who produced so many great dogs, these same dogs were out badgering bright and early on the Saturday morning and trying to make it to the dog shows by the afternoon or they would look for shows held on the Sunday giving them enough time on the Saturday to go badgering, one has to remember that the badgers were many at this point in time and gave life to a network of terriermen all over Ireland looked forward in palying the game on the weekends... that was it... great dogs and great terriermen.

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[jjbulls]

No problem Beanieman..! we are all fine.. i just put up pic of Spike to show an example of the breed ... not to upsett anyone or to big it up .. he looks a good example of the line ..today.. there are many Irish blues who look very similar to Spike & many with similar peds . as anyone who knows about the physco & K.K. lines will know. just like to put you streight on 1 thing .. my post offering a pup to the lady. in the U.S. no money was mentioned .. if you would like to check my previous posts..! actually it would have been a privilage to send 1 of our pups to the U.S. & she would have only been charged shipping. ...There have been many Quality Irish dogs in the past .. but do any of you have any pictures of the dogs today ? ;)

[geezuss]

No problem Beanieman,, we are all fine here ,, i just wanted to post up a picture of wot an Irish line stafford looks like today .. & thats physco/kk lines .. im not trying to big it up o anything..as there are many good dogs with similar looks & peds to Spike .. its just an example of todays dogs ..& yes there are a few lines of Irish dogs .. which are pretty reare these days ..! just to put you right again .. when i offered a pup to the lady in U.S. there was no money mentioned ..like you said ..? my posts can be checked ..! we would have been privilaged to have sent a pup over here to the U.S. & as that lady was pretty strapped up for cash we would have just charged shipping only ..!! ;)

do you have a link to your kennel possibly that you can pm me id like to check your dogs out :) thanks

[Ragingstorm]

do you have a link to your kennel possibly that you can pm me id like to check your dogs out :) thanks

Here you go, im sure JJ wont mind me putting it up :)

jjbulls presents - Home (http://www.jjbulls.com/)

[beanieman]

??:confused:
I had a little of the same thing ;).
@jjbulls it is good to know the truth about this dog cause it means that person told so many lies.
It's not that i think he is a bad looking dog, but just not to the standard of the dogs that were in his 5ft and 6th gen.
If i do not have a certain character left in my dogs i would still like them to be a true stafford in build.
And even if a dog has the old dogs in his line's it does not mean he or she is the best representative of that breed.
We already have people who ***** them up by show standards an now to many go for to big of dogs, regarding the bloodline.
IMO it's a shame and to much has been lost now.
It is getting harder and harder to put a hold on good staffords and keep them like that.
I just seen beau i like that way more mate, that a good looking bitch !!

[jjbulls]

I had a little of the same thing ;).
@jjbulls it is good to know the truth about this dog cause it means that person told so many lies.
It's not that i think he is a bad looking dog, but just not to the standard of the dogs that were in his 5ft and 6th gen.
If i do not have a certain character left in my dogs i would still like them to be a true stafford in build.
And even if a dog has the old dogs in his line's it does not mean he or she is the best representative of that breed.
We already have people who ***** them up by show standards an now to many go for to big of dogs, regarding the bloodline.
IMO it's a shame and to much has been lost now.
It is getting harder and harder to put a hold on good staffords and keep them like that.
I just seen beau i like that way more mate, that a good looking bitch !!well mr Beanie man ..its a real shame its come to this..! as i said i was trying to portrey an example of an old irish line in todays lite ..its alll kinda distracted from the original Posts & i apoligise for that ..! perhaps we can look foprward to a more understanding & friendly future ...............jj

[dannyboy]

well mr Beanie man ..its a real shame its come to this..! as i said i was trying to portrey an example of an old irish line in todays lite ..its alll kinda distracted from the original Posts & i apoligise for that ..! perhaps we can look foprward to a more understanding & friendly future ...............jj

Have to say...your full of bollox :D

[BustaH]

blue stafford? irish/ english whatever breeding for color is not a true stafford imo, blue don't happen by accident, not saying this was intended but when I see a blue dog I consider it a mix. could be wrong but I doubt it.

the pics old tymer put up are staffords.:D

[Lipcurl]

I've met many breed enthusiasts , but f**k me i have never met a bullshitting bunch of bullshitters than i have in the english/irish/french/taiwan stafford bull terrier, so up their own arse with self importance its unreal. Dont be fooled, own what you want and feed what you want, no matter what you own you will be slatted. 99% are pet worthy and 99% are just that, pets. But, those who feel the need to argue their worth from chinese whispers, get a life. You know who you are, ive read your crap and its just the same old "from the horses mouth" shiote. "In 1967 this happened" get the fuck over it... ill pay £3000 to the first who can bring me an irish (dublin bred , or whatever shiote) SBT and they can prove everything in their dogs pedigree, hell i will buy 5 ! Story tellers are a dime a dozen, johnnydark said it all when he was selling limerick blues, i have donegal smutts that have done more than a whore on speed, £300 discount to gamedog members... :rolleyes:

[roobs]

nice post lippy. someone had to say it.
1%.....one percenters are the best f#$k the rest.

[willy wuss]

Hey friend:D.......wanna chat hahaha
I take forums like dead serious......almost as fun as knitting a quilt with my grandma;)

One last thing before I finish this sight......What if?, Is there?, Has there? would there?, could there? just alot of questions....what does this make me if I carry on like this.......?
Answer: I don´t know a damn thing.

[willy wuss]

One last thing before I finish this sight......What if?, Is there?, Has there? would there?, could there? just alot of questions....what does this make me if I carry on like this.......?
Answer: I don´t know a damn thing.

Good luck with your dogs the rest of ya.....cheers & have nice one

[culabula]

there were native bull n terrriers,bull terriers,bulldawgs, pit-dogs,or whatever you want to call them in ireland throughout the 1800s up to at least 1920s.maybe they were brought over from britain before that time but as far as i know all of those lines died out here(except through american pitbulls who carry these lines waaay back).if you check out colbys galtee,his parents were imported from a Mr hutton in ireland.Also a lot of the early american pit men had irish surnames i.e galvin,feeley,slattery,burke etc.My own great grandmother who was born 1n 1899 and died 1n 1998 said she remembered people going to dog fights.this would have been about 1910.it was never a hugely popular sport in rural ireland ,so there probably wasnt a very large population of these bull n terriers .the kerry blue terrier was known as a serious battler in them days also and as an uncontrollably psychotic guard dog,they have been ruined by the show fraternity these days though.
Incidentally i own a bitch who could pass for a litter sister to colbys galtee,tige etc.if I was dishonest I could make up some bullshit about her being an "original irish bulldawg" and sell pups for big bucks .she is a first cross plummer terrier/american pitbull and I.M.O the hardest hitting working terrier(underground on foxes) ive seen in this country.by the way have any of the british users of this forum ever heard of a dog called the Hackett white or "hacketts white" .he was used in the creation of the plummer terrier and was supposedly a legendary pit dog in british midlands.Im not sure exactly when he was born but id say around 1950s.
maybe anyone who remembers him is dead but any info would be greatly appreciated.Ill try and post apicture of my bitch once i figure out how to do it.

[culabula]

shes the bitch on the ground in my profile pic.the one in my arms is her half sister afull bred plummer terrier.

[sunbeam]

the hackett white, aka tarka was supposedly a stafford that was around in the early 60's BUT with like lots of other stuff plummer wrote, who knows if it is true, the man would make up stuff for entertainment value. later on he changed the whites breeding to an apbt, which was ludicrous as for 1 thing the pit bull was not known in the uk at the time and for another the dogs he named as sire and dam were born later than tarka !

[jjbulls]

Have to say...your full of bollox :D
for that kinda responce mate you are a complete Prick...! & deserve no respect ....arsehole...!

[12 gauge]

a lot of people like to talk in forums but very little show, I dont take shit serious until they show me dogs that impress me. anybody can and would talk about this dog and that one, but can you say your present stafford is worth talking about?. i feed and pick poo after my dogs, if you dont believe my dogs can be as good as any other, move on and dont say a word just show me your dog(s) is/are better than mine, Irish, English, American whatever.

[culabula]

thanks sunbeam.the plummer/apbt cross pups were interesting.all but one came out like turn of the century bull n terriers.both parents were stunning examples of their respective breeds.the dog was a 56 pound powerhouse apbt with unbelievable drive over a crazy game 13 pound plummer bitch.i didnt know the papers/breeding of the dog but he threw a lot of pups to apbt bitches with pure white heads and/or 1 blue eye(id be thinking a good bit of bolio/carver breeding but no idea really).the pups displayed extreme hybrid vigor,practically walked out of the womb.they all grew to about 25lbs in fully fit condition and about 14 inches.i was just wondering about that hackett dog because of my intrest in plummer terrier etc.brian plummer definately created an excellent breed of terrier(ive heard mixed reports about some though)
he seemed like a fairly strange guy though,he brought another mysterious bull terrier cross into them in the mid nineties shortly before he died.two of my pups were red and white rednoses with yellow/green eyes.so do you think the dog was ficticious or K.c staff or some unregistered bull terrier(did any unregistered game stafford strains survive ww2).thanks again for your help:)

[jack the lad]

Plummer put irish staff back in the in the 90's so that's where you yellow eye's come from after saying he would never put bull terrier back in the and wished he never did:rolleyes:.the man was full of shit I know.He was my school teacher lol.;)

[12 gauge]

was he your chemestry teacher bud? lol!

[geezuss]

would that mean that he has the blue pauls and red smutts in his blood?i dont understand about the irish staffs?thanks


http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm223/jjbulls/DSC01308.jpg this is Spike he is a line bred Irish stafford & can be traced back to the original dogs ... brought into the u.k. ;)

[venom]

nice looking dogs, but if they were bred for performance then most likely there will be dogs that do not fit the bill as far as standard goes and looks! A dog that would never be bred based on his looks not meeting show or breed standards could be bred hundreds of times based on his performance. So to say a dog is not something based on the way he looks, i don't particularly agree with that if it is a performance dog...

[culabula]

Plummer put irish staff back in the in the 90's so that's where you yellow eye's come from after saying he would never put bull terrier back in the and wished he never did:rolleyes:.the man was full of shit I know.He was my school teacher lol.;)

thanks Jack i was thinking along the same lines or wondering did it come from a chocolate fell or apbt.Ive read one or 2 of his books-id say he was given to exaggeration all right.Everything he wrote about breeding/genetics was lifted straight from J.H.walsh(stonehenge) and a dutch guy called Haagedoorn.you can download the E-book: Animal breeding by haagedoorn if you google his name.Its the best i ever read on the subject,not overly scientific and full of practical info.
Getting back to the staffs,even k.c show bred lines throw the occasional little psycho.staffs have become very common here in ireland in the last few years but its more difficult to find a good one.Maybe the showring champions of yesteryear were well proven in teastas mor trials on badgers
and the benefit of this game selection is nearly fizzled out now.i know a fellow had good show staffs and most of them were good workers.this was a good few years back.
I went to a dog show last year(hadnt been at one since i was a kid) and was surprised at how bulldog like,top level show staffs had become

[teigansmika]

Hello everyone . Dont mean to jump in on disscussion but only new to site and dont know where to post pics of me dogs . This is Teigans Mika . She is from Pounders Stella and Garys Lagen , She is 2 and quater years old . Very Atheletic and obidient , great around my daughter and other kids , maybe abit to friendly with her tounge . She is great with my other staff (max) as he is 15 now . He didnt like her at first but just puts up with her now lol .
We use Teigans Mika as her paper name but we as a family call her Shiva (dont laugh ) was the wifes idea from the movie polar express .
Anyway back to this dog of mine .
She is a real fine example of the old time staffords .In her pedigree we have Fair & Squares champion Milo , East streets Mac , East Streets Beanie 2 , Flanders FieldBoys 3 , Farmer Boys Blue , Farmer Boys Blue Bell , Kaos Kennels Blue , KK Scrag , Scratch Kennels Haggler , Flanders Field Boys Beanie ,East Streets China , This line goes way back to East Streets Jocko , Ricky B`s Champion Psycho , Farmer Boys Jonah the list goes on and on but heres a couple of pics of her and any comments , good or bad will be answered .

[No Surrender]

Can you tell if this dog of jjbulls is proven (and I dont mean jumping over and over a piece of wood) or is it bred just to produce "pretty blue dogs"
If it is the 2nd answer can you tell me why its has been mated to a bitch as it will only produce infearior staffords and there is more than enough of those about. People like you are the downfall of this great breed

[Hairy Kelly]

Hello everyone . Dont mean to jump in on disscussion but only new to site and dont know where to post pics of me dogs . This is Teigans Mika . She is from Pounders Stella and Garys Lagen , She is 2 and quater years old . Very Atheletic and obidient , great around my daughter and other kids , maybe abit to friendly with her tounge . She is great with my other staff (max) as he is 15 now . He didnt like her at first but just puts up with her now lol .
We use Teigans Mika as her paper name but we as a family call her Shiva (dont laugh ) was the wifes idea from the movie polar express .
Anyway back to this dog of mine .
She is a real fine example of the old time staffords .In her pedigree we have Fair & Squares champion Milo , East streets Mac , East Streets Beanie 2 , Flanders FieldBoys 3 , Farmer Boys Blue , Farmer Boys Blue Bell , Kaos Kennels Blue , KK Scrag , Scratch Kennels Haggler , Flanders Field Boys Beanie ,East Streets China , This line goes way back to East Streets Jocko , Ricky B`s Champion Psycho , Farmer Boys Jonah the list goes on and on but heres a couple of pics of her and any comments , good or bad will be answered . you have got some good blood behind her mate.in my eyes east streets bred some crackers

[teigansmika]

sorry thought i put a couple of pics up of her .. Anyway here they are .
These were taken over the fields on our daily 8-9 mile walk .

[teigansmika]

can only seam to load up 5 pics at a time so heres a couple more .

[teigansmika]

thanks for the comments hairy .
I thank the breader for this dog . She`s a cracking example .

[general]

sorry thought i put a couple of pics up of her .. Anyway here they are .
These were taken over the fields on our daily 8-9 mile walk .

by the looks of the bitch mate i would say the bitch never covered 8-9 miles in her life time, never mind daily, for a 2 1/2 year old bitch it could do with a diet and a walk.

[teigansmika]

well general . you the first to comment like that so ill just ignore it . But thanks anyway , suppose your dogs are lean and ribs showing are they ??

[gog123]

I agree mate, that dog is being feed to much if your honestly walking that many miles every day.

[XXLbully]

i was thinking the same,she could easily lose a few pounds.

[general]

well general . you the first to comment like that so ill just ignore it . But thanks anyway , suppose your dogs are lean and ribs showing are they ??

over the years my champion dogs have appered in mags/ books all over the world !!!! yes they all are lean and had rib showing .i can see in dogs things that others dont see , be honest to others and others will be honest with you, i never meant to offend you in my post.

[teigansmika]

no offence taken my friend , just that you use your dogs for different pourpeses (no good at spelling ) sorry .
Ive always belived that if the dogs ribs are showing and is bang on the game weight then i belive that , that dog is going to be a little more aggresive than a dog that is fed just meat and mixer .
Everyone has their opinion of a nice dog , im sure as hell your dogs are exellent for what you use them for , anyway going for a doobie as starting to bite my nails lol
I dont walk 8-9 EVERY day but we do about atleast 6-8 , we been out thisnorning and done 6 miles and im going to make a couple of smokes and go out again and do 2 and half miles , i do know how much we walk as route is posted

[bip]

I agree with the others. she can lose a few kg...

[teigansmika]

no way .. a thin dog is a hungry dog . = aggression . JMHO

[nasher]

no way .. a thin dog is a hungry dog . = aggression . JMHO

there is a difference between a conditioned dog and a thin dog for starters muscle mass and time and dedication do yourself a favour stop feeding the meat(I presume tinned) as it is full of shit and mixer try a decent kibble or even better feed raw and a little bit of friendly advice cut down on the feed a little;)

[oldtymer]

no way .. a thin dog is a hungry dog . = aggression . JMHO

You are way wrong there, a lean well exercised dog does not equal a thin dog nor does it equal an aggresive dog ,what it does equal is a well looked after animal !!!! Plus a dog that is a little under weight is far better than a dog thats over weight.

[teigansmika]

Cheers for the advice nasher . Might try the kibble . Thanks again

[apbt395]

can use tell me wit breed thes are pls l have been told she Old irish staff but not sure dose not look like staff and wee bit taller v st jaws

[XXLbully]

no way .. a thin dog is a hungry dog . = aggression . JMHO

we don't mean malnourished !
its the same for you. if you got fat on your ribs they won't show. but if they do are you obviously malnourished? i don't think so, but youl'' be in a better health.
and for the behaviour thing i won't even argue.

[apbt395]

this is tru irish staff game bred http://www.game-dog.com/forums/albums/thumbs//5/646b968729443cf47a14fa0b11674070_5420.jpg?dl=12701 17800

[apbt395]

game breed http://www.game-dog.com/forums/albums/thumbs//5/631dbfc1c956f5d7a677de6689aad2e6_5422.jpg?dl=12701 17800 staff pup

[Hairy Kelly]

thanks for the comments hairy .
I thank the breader for this dog . She`s a cracking example .
You are Ok mate but take on all of the advise she would look ten times better:cool:

[TheIII]

AMEN damn near obese.

[Ragingstorm]

no way .. a thin dog is a hungry dog . = aggression . JMHO

As said, there is a vast difference between a conditioned dog to a skinny under fed dog.....and what you will find with a properly exercised conditioned dog is, their temperaments are normally better because they have let off steam that a fat dog doest get to release. IMHO

[jjbulls]

Can you tell if this dog of jjbulls is proven (and I dont mean jumping over and over a piece of wood) or is it bred just to produce "pretty blue dogs"
If it is the 2nd answer can you tell me why its has been mated to a bitch as it will only produce infearior staffords and there is more than enough of those about. People like you are the downfall of this great breed
Well, to be honist .. Spike has not been tested in the pit.. or rolled to any extent. so you are right there .! But he is a good perfomance dog . & Iput up his picture as an example of his Irish line in todays lite .. he is a Physco & K.K. "Kaos Kennells" bred dog .. he is in no way compareable to the old fighting dogs ..! although he shows the traits..! i have many pictures of the old Irish fighting dogs ..! but do you have any pictures of the dogs today ? .............jj

[jjbulls]

As said, there is a vast difference between a conditioned dog to a skinny under fed dog.....and what you will find with a properly exercised conditioned dog is, their temperaments are normally better because they have let off steam that a fat dog doest get to release. IMHO
good point Sonia.. we were at the U.k. iron dog competion last year . & the dog that came 4th who was litter sis to the winner . was an example of this ...! ripped to the bone & you could see every vertebree on her back & looked like a skelleton... I felt very sorry for her ..!

[gog123]

skinny and weak yet managed to place 4th in an event called iron dog? Ethier she was strippd or the other dogs was shite....or only 4 dogs enterd :D

[Ragingstorm]

good point Sonia.. we were at the U.k. iron dog competion last year . & the dog that came 4th who was litter sis to the winner . was an example of this ...! ripped to the bone & you could see every vertebree on her back & looked like a skelleton... I felt very sorry for her ..!

Cheers John.

John I know exactly what you mean, not a lot of people get the whole balance of conditioning a dog right. I know the dogs you mean John and it looks to me they strip the dog down by reducing its food and then work the dog, I personally increase my dogs food and weight by a few pounds and then bring it down with exercise.
Gog, the dogs are striped and to be honest you can tell a lot of the dogs at these shows have been starved for a day or couple days before the actual show and their food most definitely has been reduced for longer periods. The best conditioned dogs that I have seen have come out of Riskys Kennels and Mattys dogs... at these shows, they are healthier not only for the show but in the long run and far superior IMO.

But realistically most of the show fraternity starve their dogs to win points for conformation, regardless if the dog is in the ring getting stomach cramps or looking un-interested and miserable. I dont think they understand a malnourished dog will not perform to the standard of one that has been allowed to eat and get some kind of energy into its system. The only reason I think that dog came 4th was because they push their dogs to that extent all the time........hence their dogs arent consistent with their results and sometimes just look like they need a feckin holiday. :D

[No Surrender]

Forgive me for being thick "What does a dog have to do to be an Iron dog"

[gog123]

when ive been to a show it was full of posers in the car park...many owners there wank over dogs behind theirs and give it the big i am....these arent all just silly hoodie kids ethier alot are people youd think know better....then you have people who say i do this and that like the bloke here who walks his dog miles daily...yet the dogs are fat as fuck lol...think ill get as drunk as i did that time peppa and then have a few laughs at one of the shows later this year :p

[peppapig]

lmao......the usual then.....:D

[gog123]

just not on a park bench with my juice :p

[peppapig]

just sit there like 2 nutjob pissheads n shout abuse at them......lol....sounds a fucking great day....lmao...:D

[Ragingstorm]

Forgive me for being thick "What does a dog have to do to be an Iron dog"

The usual, a race over 100 meters or something, A Frame, Weight Pull, quickest bike ride over 1km, high jump and obstacle course.

[Ragingstorm]

when ive been to a show it was full of posers in the car park...many owners there wank over dogs behind theirs and give it the big i am....these arent all just silly hoodie kids ethier alot are people youd think know better....then you have people who say i do this and that like the bloke here who walks his dog miles daily...yet the dogs are fat as fuck lol...think ill get as drunk as i did that time peppa and then have a few laughs at one of the shows later this year :p

Youre right a lot of people at these shows profess to have the best dogs in the world when clearly they dont........I have probably in my time of going to shows only seen a handful of dogs that i'd say were worth placing at all.
The whole show fraternity is a joke IMO, most of these people are nobodies just there to finally get a glimmer of glory they couldnt achieve in their own life themselves.
I do go to shows because I like to see whats out there and occasionally you do come across a fantastic dog, but the people well Id rather not even speak to a lot of them.

[jjbulls]

Well in the u.k. dog fighting is banned..! its good to have the history .. in the blood .. we do the next best thing ..!! which is compete with them .. but you guys are obviously fighting your dogs.. & i respect that & your opinions.. but if you aint ?? & you are makin these statments then you are all ...Wankers..!! :D

[gog123]

wow jjbulls i cant even explain what a stupid comment that is?

No one has any interest in that other than from a history point of view. Most probally dislike the shows because its full of wankers who think they have good staffords because it jumps abit of wood....they also tend to sit all day and talk about the dogs who actually done something other than exercise and use this to sell pups. Nothing wrong with your shows.. i just dont feel it deems a dog breed worthy and even more so when so many poor staffords are in shelters...im sure some of those would be more than able to exercise at a show.

[Bulldoghistorian]

when I had staffs they wouldn't run the100 m
does that mean they were not good staffs?

[RR3000]

Question,where are the Irish dogs at now,that one would consider a good example of it's lineage ?

[gog123]

all i can say is if you dont know you dont need to know....i think if you dont know then there is a reason for that....probally another prat wanting to breed dogs and wank over dogs behind em on the papper.

Go to a local shelter youll find many staffords needing a loving home.

[No Surrender]

Where do you think the Irish dogs are???????????? There in Ireland RR3000

[portierd]

Can anyone tell me where the blue color is coming from, because i hardly believe it's coming from the blue paul dog, what crosses are made in creating the Irish stafford?
Colby took some good dogs to the US but the blue dog what is shown here doesn't look like that kind of dog!

[dannyboy]

Its a dilute of black i believe, and when they get a diluted dog, they tend to breed it with another diluted dog, to up there chances of more diluted dogs :confused:

[oldtymer]

Can anyone tell me where the blue color is coming from, because i hardly believe it's coming from the blue paul dog, what crosses are made in creating the Irish stafford?
Colby took some good dogs to the US but the blue dog what is shown here doesn't look like that kind of dog!

Blue like danny said is a dilute of black,as for the blue paul the dog is more myth than factual !!! Any stafford born and bred in Ireland is an Irish stafford. To me the phrase irish stafford was more or less coined after psycho and stomer met and suddenly in the early 90's peddlers were so say selling puppies down from these two dogs. (stormer was only ever bred once) Forget all the bullshit that irish stafford is a code name for pitbulls,reality is it is just a peddlers dream name.

[gog123]

Anyone else get tired of the same old shit?:D Just thought to my self if your that thick that you dont know about the breeds then go find another dog. As for the blue paul shit who actually cares? if they was any good someone would still be feeding them now...people just dream to much about dogs behind their dogs. If your happy to feed what youve got then dont worry about anyone else.

[Sasha's]

Blue like danny said is a dilute of black,as for the blue paul the dog is more myth than factual !!! Any stafford born and bred in Ireland is an Irish stafford. To me the phrase irish stafford was more or less coined after psycho and stomer met and suddenly in the early 90's peddlers were so say selling puppies down from these two dogs. (stormer was only ever bred once) Forget all the bullshit that irish stafford is a code name for pitbulls,reality is it is just a peddlers dream name.

They call everything that isn't short legged an irish stafford

[ChrisJGreen]

They call everything that isn't short legged an irish stafford

I call them chicken shop pit's.

[jjbulls]

O.k. mate i can take that on board ... so how do you guys .. test your dogs . ?

[Tigerlines]

theirs only one test and i think you know what that is . Any one stating other methods, are fantasists, wannabes, or jockers!

[No Surrender]

What a stupid question on an open forum, use your head jjbulls

[oldtymer]

O.k. mate i can take that on board ... so how do you guys .. test your dogs . ?


I'm pleased to say my boy past his "TEST" first time !!!!! To say i'm over the moon is an understatment :D:D:D:D

http://www.dogloversdigest.com/assets/content//Dog_Driving_Car.jpg

[TASOSCHATZ]

Guys it is not about stupid questions or the obvious testing, it is about people that act like they do the obvious, nobody nows them and pretend to be traditional dogmen. If jj new for sure who does what, he wouldn't ask, I think, but you have to recognise that among the members of this forum exist many internet dogmen who are this and nothing more, easy and ready to talk but when it comes down to it, they just hide behind the law and the forum rules etc.
Nothing is personnal against anybody specific and I mean it.

[Tigerlines]

thats exactly why it is a silly question... your likely to get a silly answer...LOL

[ChrisJGreen]

Dog fighting is for small cocked pussyoles that are too fuckin pussy to fight themselves.

[andrewp35]

Really how did you get to that conclusion chris J Green?

[ChrisJGreen]

Really how did you get to that conclusion chris J Green?

Because i fuckin say so jimmy.

[gog123]

better not own one of the breeds these small cocked people helped create and preserve then ay chris?

Fuck me if i didnt enjoy some other posts on here id remove my acount the level of stupidity and lack of respect is a joke....think a few shandys tonight and i might just tell a few idiots how thick and pointless their breedings are lol

[nasher]

call me thick but aint this forum called game dog anyhow im off to hug a tree :dogkiss:

[12 gauge]

got me a new game dog his name is barb-q

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac268/memmabulldogchap/lelikehond.jpg?t=1272051987

[LordRommel]

thats a dead game dog :P

[portierd]

This dog is dead allright! But what a beauty!
The irish dog is in my opinion the purest, but i don't think the dog what is called the Irish stafford of today is the same irish dog of the past.
And deep game dogs are very rare i have been told, gameness is lost very fast, you really have to know how your breeding and which pup you select from the breeding.

[12 gauge]

the only thing is not many people can handle a proper bred stafford, they rather have a fat-low slung, faceless one, why? i dunno know, their idea of a stafford is beyond me. the more ch's you see in a ped the faster and easier you can sell them, no matter if the ped is a hung one, they are still believed to be pure "staffords". Try to explain other wise, all they have in their minds is if the stafford isnt show material is crossed with something else, most of the time with pit

[milesaway]

Dont know if its just me but all the so called irish line dogs are nothing more than mongrels they got just as much ebt and yankee blood in them as they have staffy blood.Cant see many guys out there with a true full blown staffy ped that is true if your claimimg to have a so called irish stafford. Back then the irish boys made a killing breeding the ass off dogs to sell to the uk market and pissed most of the money up the wall lol and probably had a good laff to themselves about the uk guys walking about with their irish mongrels with a nice hung ped lol.

[bandog billy]

cracking bitch mate,got one the same age 44lbs,looks fat like yours,go all fuckin day tho,what weights in her ?? theses fuckin clowns dont know shit. look at her big barrel chest,you dont get that without proper exercise,i love her.

[Blanco]

Well, the ebt blood is well watered out by now. We're talking 20 years ago and a dusin breedings later.

[gog123]

alot talk about game staffords but i honestly dont know to many who actually find out...bit like the pits in people breeding for the ped but i think its more common in staffords to be honest.

[milesaway]

Well, the ebt blood is well watered out by now. We're talking 20 years ago and a dusin breedings later.

Guess that will be true, plenty will have yankee blood mixed in still. Makes a nice mongrel though.

[BustaH]

cracking bitch mate,got one the same age 44lbs,looks fat like yours,go all fuckin day tho

doing what? eating burgers>?


,what weights in her ??

looks like about 3 tins of cheap dog food crap a day to me. [/QUOTE]



,theses fuckin clowns dont know shit.
so we should all listen to you? give me break lmao!

look at her big barrel chest,you dont get that without proper exercise,i love her.

ever heard of bone structure? dude she's a nice looking dog, but she IS overweight, no question, at least for a performance dog...but...if we are talking pets or ego extensions, well that's a different matter. :)

[12 gauge]

if we think about it, there's no pure staffords anywhere and there will never be, linebred yes but never pure, they are all mongrels, some for 70+ years, some 20+ years not much of a difference. several decades back crossed with bt's, more terrier introduced etc.. now crossed with english bulldog, pug, pits etc..

to me it's a matter of choice, what many people dont seem to grasp is the term "Irish", it can be any stafford from Ireland. most of these dogs were from english stock and many remained as, others chose to put other breeds in it and they are facing the consequences now with size, temp and no heart, etc...

there's plenty of Irish staffords (from ireland) that are within the old and new standard that are worth having without any other breed infused, bigger isnt always best, many people had learnt this the hard way.

[Blanco]

Agree with the post above

[OnTheRocks]

if we think about it, there's no pure staffords anywhere and there will never be, linebred yes but never pure, they are all mongrels, some for 70+ years, some 20+ years not much of a difference. several decades back crossed with bt's, more terrier introduced etc.. now crossed with english bulldog, pug, pits etc..


You posted the solution yourself. When dogs are bred to produce workers, and the offspring is kept by people who use them, any crossed ones will be weeded out! You need to own dogs that you get from working people, who in their turn got them from people who worked them! And you need to work them.

There are plenty of pure Staffs about, if you regard dogs with influx of other breeds seventy years back as mongroels, then there are no pure breeds! Most breeds have not even been on record for seventy years!

The BT part is something people seem to be hung up on. Its a very small portion! One mating is a proven fact, and that mating took place around 1960! The original BT cross "Kilwikie Lad" where a game and a highly regarded badger dog! Another influx in the Psycho line is claimed at a later date, but that is disputed by some respected people. The two breeds are so close related so it really has no big importance.

When it comes to APBT influx, I have only once been showed something that could be regardes as more than just rumours! But still it could not be called cold hard facts by any means! And again it was not enough to make a difference. There was a lot of people that tried to cross the breeds in the 1970´s and 1980´s, but it soon enough became common knowledge that it did not work! First generation where fine, second where rubbish. So it got weeded out by it self! And if you think about it there are a lot more Stafford blood in the APBT than there are APBT blood in the Staffords!

Those other crosses you claim has been done. Well that would just produce curs! The problem is solved as long as you breed for the right reassons. Now we have found the root problem, people dont breed for the right reassons anymore. Which is the greatest danger for a working breed.

When it comes to the term Irish, it is pretty specific in my book! It has actually not much to do with "stafford from Ireland". Traditionally it is dogs tracing ancestry to four specific blood lines that where kept and worked in Ireland. Most of the stock where later sold to the UK, then exported to Europe, then some where imported back to the Uk. The conclusion is that most of the genuine stuff is therefor not even found in Ireland these days. Out of these four bloodlines there are 2 that still can be considered to be alive and well. Both has produced good dogs up to this date! Perhaps not purely linebred, but with a slight infusion of other lines.

[bandog billy]

see if the guy comes back with a weight for her -

[theoak]

there are many different staffs we got swedish staff, irish staffs, german staff and even african staff and chinese hahahaha

[Blanco]

Bravo!! And the award for the guy who thinks he's most funny goes tooo.....
THEOAK!!!:rolleyes:

[jakmcferran]

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm223/jjbulls/DSC01308.jpg this is Spike he is a line bred Irish stafford & can be traced back to the original dogs ... brought into the u.k. ;)
can i have your number mate i will pay whatever the price for two of these dogs

[reids]

ure off yer nut

[bandog billy]

ure off yer nut << :D :D :D

[blockbuster bob]

the dog in the back i think is bred from a dog i had bud :D

[eastend]

Why would you even want to own a staff when you can own a real bulldog and why anyone would want to import them into a country were you can legally own the real thing, as some pointed out earlier this forum is called ..............................................blue dogs make me laugh.:d

[12 gauge]

there's curs and good dogs (real deal like you said) in both worlds. it's not staff is called stafford. now if you are talking about the shit you see here in our US, then yes i have to agree with you. in other countries is a different story. i've owned both breeds and the staffords i've known dont lack in any department as their close cousins.

[eastend]

sorry have to disagree, staff, stafford its all the same you can not compare it to the real thing in the us or europe, of course there is the exception but as a whole no way, a dog or breed that excells at a game or field sports is not a working dog, even a police dog its a game to the cur thats all that its learnt since the day it was selected.
To have honour be classed as a working dog or bred the dogs must want to working when it is faced with a mountain of pain. Thats just my opinion.:)

[12 gauge]

have you owned a good stafford you can base your facts on? not the show excrement you see on webs. it'll be silly to think that only here in america; pitdogs have kept true to type and especially when they originated from england and exported to Ireland and the US. what makes you think they didnt have the same principles when selecting their stafford. these people are a bit reserved when it comes to talking about their acomplisments with their dogs and telling their business. i have owned both, and i also have my opinion.

[brenner]

12 guage, i think you just hit the nail on the head, irish dog men in general dont seem to shout to the rest of the world about their dogs, so understandably the rest of the world dont seem to rate them. i cant help but think there is a connection to be made between whats expected of working staffords in ireland and the attitude of irish dog men, in that these dogs were bred to work and "face a mountain of pain" in silence, making any noise at the quarry was seen as a weakness and of course the same can be said about men who feel the need to keep shouting about their buisness to the world. it seems to show weakness in character when people need to keep making noise, i think there is alot to be admired about these dogs and the men who live by them. just a thought

[RickyB]

The Irish dog men dont keep staffords and havent done so in more than 20+years, APBT's have totaly replaced staffs on the sporting scene, my oppinion is staffordshire bullterrier is just a name the KC gave this breed they are all bulldogs, as them being English? there are match reports (before 1900) from every part of the british isles, the KC recognizing them was maybe the worse thing could happen them, the owners of staffordshires pre KC recognition... if the had a chance to breed to the likes of Gr.Ch."Zebo", they would'nt ?, do you think they would see him as a different breed ?..
except for the very few as a breed they just not as good as the APBT, , just my oppion...R

[nobody]

The Irish dog men dont keep staffords and havent done so in more than 20+years, APBT's have totaly replaced staffs on the sporting scene, my oppinion is staffordshire bullterrier is just a name the KC gave this breed they are all bulldogs, as them being English? there are match reports (before 1900) from every part of the british isles, the KC recognizing them was maybe the worse thing could happen them, the owners of staffordshires pre KC recognition... if the had a chance to breed to the likes of Gr.Ch."Zebo", they would'nt ?, do you think they would see him as a different breed ?..
except for the very few as a breed they just not as good as the APBT, , just my oppion...R
Have to agree the numbers of good 'staffords' are getting slimmer by the day and for those who are good, the APBT is a difference.
Nice time btw for this 1 how would you rate this dog ?
ONLINE PEDIGREES
(http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=367111)

[RickyB]

he was around in the 1980's, game dog, good wind, easy to train, nothing much else..R

[Mikemorabito]

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm223/jjbulls/DSC01308.jpg this is Spike he is a line bred Irish stafford & can be traced back to the original dogs ... brought into the u.k. ;)

i really like a lot this boy, looks awesome

[saber0606]

The dog above looks like the dad of my dog. He is supposed to be an American Stafford but it seems there has been messed with his papers so I don't know his true background.
Uploading pics doesn't seem to work right now so here is a link to that dog:
http://americanstafford.tk

And here you can see my dog:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1942883737381.2114898.1401108845

[The Manc]

i really like a lot this boy, looks awesome
nice looking dogs but more a dog for weight pulling or the aframe.

[nobody]

nice looking dogs but more a dog for weight pulling or the aframe.
That is just what a good linebred working stafford should NOT look like.
Those dogs are the peddled blue's.
He is posting this dog as a true 'psycho' bred dog while i have the pedigree at home it is KK breeding and the dogs that did do anything are in gen 6 and 7.
Dogs like beanie, milo, angel conan and such, that dog is pretty much starting to look like an am staff, jmo

[hellb]

Always the same confusion on Staffy lines, here's a pic of the 3 lines, PURE BREED in the middle the Irish line:
20168

[zen]

nice dogs jj.i think ontherocks comments on your dogs are invalid as we know these fine examples of the irish staffords are clearly in perfect proportion.i have a bitch like these at 52lbs at the moment as i dont work her to hard in hot weather

[zen]

i agree.as i had a pair of patrick type dogs in the late 80s early 90s.i know the differences.yes kc dogs are only bred for what they look like and to hop on 1 leg.not for the outstanding physical qualities the have

[zen]

would it be right to say certain irish types would have been desendents from the blue paul

[RickyB]

The answer to that is no

[RickyB]

The answer to that is no....R

[jonnim]

Always the same confusion on Staffy lines, here's a pic of the 3 lines, PURE BREED in the middle the Irish line:
20168

quite possibly the most stupid post on this board EVER

[jonnim]

would it be right to say certain irish types would have been desendents from the blue paul

sorry i should of read further down,this wins the most stupid post comp EVER

[Nash]

They are psycho bred dogs, there was some blue ones in that line. <== That would be the winner.

[RickyB]

Some blue in the "Psycho" line, what does that prove ? most of that line where brindle and white, having some blue colour proves nothing or that they are descendants of blue pauls, that strain of bulldog died out or was blended into other strains about 100 years ago, they ware not a different breed just a different strain...R

[Nash]

I was hoping you saw the irony in my post Ricky. People have been sold all kinds of nonsense.
I'm sure that line i posted was one of them.