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nc_pitbulls
10-05-2004, 11:56 AM
What Do You All Think Of DangerZone Pitbulls.I Have A Couple Of DangerZone Pups Around 4 Months. Got Them From Florida. They're Already Enjoy Tredmill , Playing Tug-A-War , And Playing With The Flirt Pole. Just Wanted To Get Some InSight From Everyone Else.

DeadGame
10-05-2004, 11:56 AM
what r danger zone pitbulls? some kind of kennel?

nc_pitbulls
10-05-2004, 12:08 PM
no it's a bloodline i did some research and they're hog hunting dogs , they're pitbulls. mostly used in florida. they can get up to 45 to 50 lbs.

DeadGame
10-05-2004, 12:10 PM
oh see i learn something new every time i come on here lol

nc_pitbulls
10-05-2004, 12:25 PM
same here i can always learn something new. doesn't hurt to learn more than what ya know.

B-I-Z
10-05-2004, 05:51 PM
There's some jamaicans here that run that line, dunno anything about them tho

B-I-Z
10-05-2004, 05:55 PM
im assuming you meant 'Dangazone"....

nc_pitbulls
10-05-2004, 07:56 PM
no i meant deangerezone http://www.petersonpitbull.com/ or http://www.petersonpitbull.com/beauty.htm

CRG
10-05-2004, 08:11 PM
those dogs are way over 50 lbs.you sure that is the right site

nc_pitbulls
10-05-2004, 08:17 PM
i jsut did a search on dangerzone and just saw that site. i was just tryin to show him meant dangerzone and not dangazone.

TERRIBLE TEXAS
10-05-2004, 08:20 PM
man those peterson pit bull are hogs

nc_pitbulls
10-05-2004, 08:28 PM
yea but the thing about dangerzone they come in all sizes the one i got from florida their parents were like 45 to 50 lbs

B-I-Z
10-05-2004, 08:57 PM
the ones im thinking of are game-bred....

nc_pitbulls
10-05-2004, 09:01 PM
yeah but i never heard of dangazone.....is it worth buying?

B-I-Z
10-05-2004, 09:09 PM
i'm not sure if its actually a line of dogs...i was talking to some cats about dogs at a show and they was tellin me bout their dangazone dogs. Theres a record label here thats based out of jamaica DangaZone so im thinking maybe they have dogs..

nc_pitbulls
10-05-2004, 09:14 PM
ahhhhhhhhh i'll do some research and see what comes up. i love doin research on news thing on pitbulls , even if a new bloodline.

puregame
10-07-2004, 04:43 PM
What Do You All Think Of DangerZone Pitbulls.I Have A Couple Of DangerZone Pups Around 4 Months. Got Them From Florida. They're Already Enjoy Tredmill , Playing Tug-A-War , And Playing With The Flirt Pole. Just Wanted To Get Some InSight From Everyone Else.
The Dangerzone bloodline comes from this dog. CH OEHLER'S DANGER ZONE (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3603) . His sire CH CAMARANO'S BUSTER JO (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3615)and is the foundation for this successful working line and a well title dog himself. This line is mostly a working line used for hog catching, weight pull and protection work. People also use them for confirmation showing as the are usually very inpressive looking dogs. This is a pic of Dangerzone. (see attachment)

This line tends produce very even-tempered bulldogs with lots of drive. These are the pics and ped of my boy Rude, who is 1/4 Danger Zone.

http://www.geocities.com/puregamekennels/pgp_Rude.html (http://www.geocities.com/puregamekennels/pgp_Rude.html)

Most Danger Zone dogs tend to look a certain way. Chocolate/ red noses. Though i have seen the red/ red nose dogs too.

Good luck with your pups.

puregame

MTNDOG
10-07-2004, 06:03 PM
I believe the dangerzone dogs are Amstaffs and are mainly used for weightpull if we are talking about the same dogs.

AJUST67
10-07-2004, 11:34 PM
Most Of That Bloodline Runs Above 60lbs, Like That Camelot Bloodline. And You Are Right It Is Dangerzone. A Few Dudes In Ga Use It For Show Ring.

puregame
10-08-2004, 12:45 PM
I believe the dangerzone dogs are Amstaffs and are mainly used for weightpull if we are talking about the same dogs.
Yes Danger Zone does have AmStaff is it blood. My dog Rude has two AmStaffs in the seventh generation coming from the Danger Zone blood. Buster Joe was a AmStaff/Pitt cross. When I get home I'll look at his papers and tell you exactly where it is in the ped.

Hey MTNDOG,or anyone else, take a look at my dog Rude's ped. Would you consider him an AmStaff because he has two AmStaff in the seventh Generation. Just curious. I asked ADBA when I got him and they said no he's not considered an AmStaff. But i asked a fellow breeder and he said yes.

puregame

nc_pitbulls
10-08-2004, 01:48 PM
this is one of the dog i got from frlorida off of dangerzone i have no ped , but i do have his papers.

MTNDOG
10-09-2004, 10:46 AM
Yes Danger Zone does have AmStaff is it blood. My dog Rude has two AmStaffs in the seventh generation coming from the Danger Zone blood. Buster Joe was a AmStaff/Pitt cross. When I get home I'll look at his papers and tell you exactly where it is in the ped.

Hey MTNDOG,or anyone else, take a look at my dog Rude's ped. Would you consider him an AmStaff because he has two AmStaff in the seventh Generation. Just curious. I asked ADBA when I got him and they said no he's not considered an AmStaff. But i asked a fellow breeder and he said yes.

puregame
Id say he is a Amstaff/pitbull cross like you said...his top 1/4 is mostly old amstaff blood. I wasnt able to research the bottom 1/4 but res looks like eli/redboy jocko...He's a big boy too....Also I would not consider him a Danger zone dog...Good luck with him though he is a nice looking big dog...

puregame
10-09-2004, 12:23 PM
Also I would not consider him a Danger zone dog...Good luck with him though he is a nice looking big dog...
No I don't consider him a danger Zone dog but he carries lots of their characteristics. Wish i had pictures of him in his prime. I don't do anything with this dog, he's just the house pet. Besides I think he's half horse, LOL. Thanks though, He is a handsome goof.


puregame

dangersouth
10-26-2004, 05:07 PM
dangerzone pitbulls are really nicely conformed i have 2 females and a male all dangerzone blood heavy the male is only 7-and a half months at 98 pounds dad was very heavy on buster joe females are 65 and 70 at 6 months very wide and low dogs. besides buster joe and his so called outcross to a staff i dont think u will find too much more in their backgrounds -i just breed'em big-- not tall either. lovin this site too alotta great dogman and dogs on here

pit stop
10-26-2004, 05:31 PM
guys, the old AmStaff blood you are referring to were pit bulls! What is this AmStaff/pit cross stuff? Just because the AKC decided to call them something else does not make them something else.

Now, I will agree that after some time and breeding for different specific standards, the AMStaff and the APBT can be considered separate breeds.

But the dogs in your ped's from way back are just as much APBT as they are AmStaff. Two names, same breed.

Pit Stop

BaldHeadTough
11-06-2005, 11:55 PM
What's Up All.... :cool: I know that this is a way old post... But I feel the need to educate!!!! Sorry if I come off rude, but you guy's have the "Dangerzone" Blood Line all Wrong. Here's a Link to a MSN Message Board I put together. You'll find all the info that you need.
Knowledge is Power....! ;)

http://groups.msn.com/TheDangerzone

The "Dangerzone" line is bred for Hog Hunting, Weight Pulling, Show and Conformation...! The males average 80-100 lbs. and the females average 60-85 lbs. They are by no means Sloopy, Slow or Lazy.... Check out the link and tell me what you think!!!!

Marty
11-06-2005, 11:59 PM
The males average 80-100 lbs. and the females average 60-85 lbs. They are by no means Sloopy, Slow or Lazy.... Check out the link and tell me what you think!!!!If there this big there mutts not pit bulls! Sorry stay around and learn and your right Knowledge is Power ;)

runt
11-07-2005, 12:32 AM
I don't know about dangerzone dogs but I do know that all pits thats big are not mutts ,there is one here thats as game as anything I've ever saw.He has alot of wind and he's about 90lbs nothing tells the story like the box.but I like mine around 30 to 50lbs.

Marty
11-07-2005, 01:28 AM
Sorry to break the news to ya! but your 80-100 lbs. dogs are crossed with something else not pit bull I can assure you ;)

BaldHeadTough
11-07-2005, 01:41 AM
Thanks for the replies.... Did you check out the link I provided for you?
Here's a picture of Oehler's "Dangerzone" grandmother on his Sire's Side.
http://www.amberlitekennels.com/scatesstar.jpgPR SCATES' AMBERLITE STAR (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=61317)
I bet she'll tear your dog a New A** Hole... LoL ;)
"Dangerzone" derived from game lines.
Just through years of consecutive line breeding, has the size come in.
Just b/c they're big, doesn't mean that they don't have drive or game!!!!
You like to face other dog's, we like to face Wild Hog's.... Now who has Game??? :D
Trust me, I plan on staying a while, I would like to learn more about the Game lines...
p.s.
This is your warning we do not talk about matching dogs! (Marty) I have a Friend and all he Breeds is tight "Jeep". He's well respected in Central Florida... I also have a couple of other friend's the breed "Eli" "Bullyson" Bolio". Are your dog's papered? What does their pedigree look like..? Sorry if I coming of rude, it's just late and I'm tired... Peace out!!! :cool:

BaldHeadTough
11-07-2005, 01:46 AM
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=4>
4 GENERATION PEDIGREE
CH OEHLER'S DANGER ZONE (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3603)
</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left colSpan=4><TABLE cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pictures/3603.jpg </TD><TD vAlign=bottom align=left>OWNER: OEHLER
REGISTRATION #: G224,034
SEX: MALE
ENTERED BY: webmaster (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/comCenter/userProfile.php?username=webmaster)
POSTED: 2001-04-09
LAST MODIFIED: 2004-10-15
No OF VIEWS: 1749 times
View Log (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/pedigreeLog.php?dog_id=3603)

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TH colSpan=4>Generations in Pedigree</TH></TR><TR align=left><TD>First</TD><TD>Second</TD><TD>Third</TD><TD>Fourth</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left rowSpan=8>(Sire) CH CAMARANO'S BUSTER JO (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=30966)</TD><TD align=left rowSpan=4>CHERICO'S JO JO (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3617)</TD><TD align=left rowSpan=2>PR TARANTINO'S JO RIPPER (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=15349)</TD><TD align=left>PR O' NEIL'S BEAU JACK (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3844)</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>PR TARANTINO'S JO JO (MAPLE'S) (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3846)</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left rowSpan=2>PR STORMS' CORVINO LADY (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=5481)</TD><TD align=left>PREVATT'S SAXON (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=39549)</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>PR PREVATT'S CRICKETT (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=19112)</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left rowSpan=4>PR SCATES' AMBERLITE STAR (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=61317)</TD><TD align=left rowSpan=2>JAY'S MONSTER (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=37643)</TD><TD align=left>'PR' MAZZEIS' CAPTAIN (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=37574)</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>YENTA OF TUFFTOWN (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=19110)</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left rowSpan=2>PR BLONDIE OF TUFFTOWN (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=4229)</TD><TD align=left>'PR' MARTINS CAESAR OF TUFFTOWN (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=5342)</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>PR MARTIN'S CASAS TOPO (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=4757)</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left rowSpan=8>(Dam) CAMARANO'S DODGER (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3616)</TD><TD align=left rowSpan=4>HATTABAUGH'S MR. BEN (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3619)</TD><TD align=left rowSpan=2></TD><TD align=left></TD></TR><TR><TD align=left></TD></TR><TR><TD align=left rowSpan=2></TD><TD align=left></TD></TR><TR><TD align=left></TD></TR><TR><TD align=left rowSpan=4>HATTABAUGH'S BLONDIE (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pedigrees/myPedigrees/printPedigree.php?dog_id=3620)</TD><TD align=left rowSpan=2></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Marty
11-07-2005, 01:51 AM
Are your dog's papered? What does their pedigree look like..? Sorry if I coming of rude, it's just late and I'm tired... Peace out!!! :cool: yeah no problem i need to be in bed to lol
Yes I have peds on my dogs... http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=174136
Shes breed for looks lol what ya think? and we don't talk about I bet she'll tear your dog a New A** Hole... Lol you should read the rules ;)

J Henry
11-07-2005, 01:55 AM
Hey, Marty that is one good looking dog you have there.

pitbulllvr25
11-07-2005, 10:36 AM
I must agree, she looks GREAT! awsome representation and build.

tommy3
11-07-2005, 02:30 PM
What's Up All.... :cool: I know that this is a way old post... But I feel the need to educate!!!! Sorry if I come off rude, but you guy's have the "Dangerzone" Blood Line all Wrong. Here's a Link to a MSN Message Board I put together. You'll find all the info that you need.
Knowledge is Power....! ;)

http://groups.msn.com/TheDangerzone

The "Dangerzone" line is bred for Hog Hunting, Weight Pulling, Show and Conformation...! The males average 80-100 lbs. and the females average 60-85 lbs. They are by no means Sloopy, Slow or Lazy.... Check out the link and tell me what you think!!!!
Yeah, those dogs are crossed with some other breed or they were bred for size and looks over many, many generations to get that big (more than likely crossed). Those lines are known for show and not work. If they are known to be good working dogs, you would see them more often working than showing. They are way out of APBT standards anyways. I can't see them winning any shows outside of the UKC and AKC because they are known to place dogs that are out of standard. Maybe they are nice dogs, but you couldn't pay me to put one on my yard.

BaldHeadTough
11-07-2005, 03:25 PM
I feel like I'm Preaching to a DEAF CHOIR.......! LoL
"TommyT" here check out this link. It's to a kennel called Iron Hill Kennels ( http://www.ironhillkennels.itgo.com/ ). Look at a male named "Reno" he has his UWPCH Title. Is that working enough for you. He's very tight bred "Dangerzone". He pulls 7-8-9-10,000 lbs. Can your lil doggie do that? Can your lil doggie take down a Wild Hog.... ! I think not!!! Please people do a little research before you run off and post what you don't know. I haven't said one ignorant thing about any of your dog's. I joined this forum to learn more about the Game Bred Line's. I know a little bit, but not as much as my own. "Dangerzone" is not mixed with any other breeds. Just selective line breedings!

P.s.
"TommyT" you made a comment about looks of the "Dangerzone" dog's. Take another look at the picture of your lil doggie!!!
Doesn't look like 'PR' Scates' "Amber-lite", or any of "Marty's" dog's, or "J Henery's" dog. In my opinion, your dog's face has the look of an American Bull Dog.... Maybe your dog is crossed with something....

p.s.s.
I'm not trying to make enemies with any of you all. I actually want to learn more about the game lines. As my dog's ancestors came from the game line, that derived from spain. I've Done My Homework!!!! Peace Out....

luv_a_bull_girl
11-07-2005, 04:39 PM
I feel like I'm Preaching to a DEAF CHOIR.......! LoL
"TommyT" here check out this link. It's to a kennel called Iron Hill Kennels ( http://www.ironhillkennels.itgo.com/ ). Look at a male named "Reno" he has his UWPCH Title. Is that working enough for you. He's very tight bred "Dangerzone". He pulls 7-8-9-10,000 lbs. Can your lil doggie do that? Can your lil doggie take down a Wild Hog.... ! I think not!!! Please people do a little research before you run off and post what you don't know. I haven't said one ignorant thing about any of your dog's. I joined this forum to learn more about the Game Bred Line's. I know a little bit, but not as much as my own. "Dangerzone" is not mixed with any other breeds. Just selective line breedings!
i quote this from the bully breeds magazine....
"Wilhe Make It, a little 34-pound American Pit Bull Terrier... pulled 2,030 pounds on May 6, 1995,.... That's 59.7 times his own body weight." these dogs can pull... they might not b able 2 pull as much as the bigger dogs but don't doubt them... and many on here don't think a big dog is a good hog dog... they prefer game bred smaller dogs...

tommy3
11-07-2005, 04:42 PM
I feel like I'm Preaching to a DEAF CHOIR.......! LoL
"TommyT" here check out this link. It's to a kennel called Iron Hill Kennels ( http://www.ironhillkennels.itgo.com/ ). Look at a male named "Reno" he has his UWPCH Title. Is that working enough for you. He's very tight bred "Dangerzone". He pulls 7-8-9-10,000 lbs. Can your lil doggie do that? Can your lil doggie take down a Wild Hog.... ! I think not!!! Please people do a little research before you run off and post what you don't know. I haven't said one ignorant thing about any of your dog's. I joined this forum to learn more about the Game Bred Line's. I know a little bit, but not as much as my own. "Dangerzone" is not mixed with any other breeds. Just selective line breedings!

P.s.
"TommyT" you made a comment about looks of the "Dangerzone" dog's. Take another look at the picture of your lil doggie!!!
Doesn't look like 'PR' Scates' "Amber-lite", or any of "Marty's" dog's, or "J Henery's" dog. In my opinion, your dog's face has the look of an American Bull Dog.... Maybe your dog is crossed with something....

p.s.s.
I'm not trying to make enemies with any of you all. I actually want to learn more about the game lines. As my dog's ancestors came from the game line, that derived from spain. I've Done My Homework!!!! Peace Out....You just proved that you know nothing about a true bulldog. First off, these dogs are not bred for weight pull. So, who cares if the dog can pull weight. ANY DOG CAN PULL WEIGHT. And just to prove that any dog can pull weight, regardless of size, ACE of ACE Poor Boy, a Sorrells dog, is a couple of generations back in my dog's pedigree. The dogs from my line are proven. In the show, weight pull, and in the field. There are plenty of Sorrells dogs here that have taken down many hogs and I guarantee they can do it better than a 100 lb mutt with bowed legs. You said my dog looks like it is an American Bulldog mix? My dog placed 2nd in an ADBA show last month. My dog is completely up to standard unlike yours. He is from a very well established line and breeder. There is a very strong respect from doggers concerning my dogs background unlike yours. Therefore, you need to do some research before talking about something that YOU don't know about.


By the way, I am under the impression that your comment was directed at the dog in my avatar. That dog is GRCH Banjo. You are talking trash on one of the greats. My dog is in my gallery. He happens to be Sorrells with some Banjo thrown in.

luv_a_bull_girl
11-07-2005, 04:56 PM
You just proved that you know nothing about a true bulldog. First off, these dogs are not bred for weight pull. So, who cares if the dog can pull weight. ANY DOG CAN PULL WEIGHT.
exactly.....

B
11-07-2005, 05:03 PM
I feel like I'm Preaching to a DEAF CHOIR.......! LoL
"TommyT" here check out this link. It's to a kennel called Iron Hill Kennels ( http://www.ironhillkennels.itgo.com/ ). Look at a male named "Reno" he has his UWPCH Title. Is that working enough for you. He's very tight bred "Dangerzone". He pulls 7-8-9-10,000 lbs. Can your lil doggie do that? Can your lil doggie take down a Wild Hog.... ! I think not!!! Please people do a little research before you run off and post what you don't know. I haven't said one ignorant thing about any of your dog's. I joined this forum to learn more about the Game Bred Line's. I know a little bit, but not as much as my own. "Dangerzone" is not mixed with any other breeds. Just selective line breedings!

P.s.
"TommyT" you made a comment about looks of the "Dangerzone" dog's. Take another look at the picture of your lil doggie!!!
Doesn't look like 'PR' Scates' "Amber-lite", or any of "Marty's" dog's, or "J Henery's" dog. In my opinion, your dog's face has the look of an American Bull Dog.... Maybe your dog is crossed with something....

p.s.s.
I'm not trying to make enemies with any of you all. I actually want to learn more about the game lines. As my dog's ancestors came from the game line, that derived from spain. I've Done My Homework!!!! Peace Out....
Let's stick with the topic at hand. You don't know anything about our dogs by your own admittance and size isn't everything. You will do well to stick around and learn but don't try to pretend you know it all and please quit turning threads into a pissing match. Most of the people on this board have plenty of experience and you won't ever get anything but the truth out of all of them. There is a lot more to these dogs than pulling weight and "hunting" hogs. You obviously stick to what you know but you should do more reading and less talking until you know who you are talking to.

Regards,

B

Verderben
11-07-2005, 05:06 PM
I feel like I'm Preaching to a DEAF CHOIR.......! LoL
"TommyT" here check out this link. It's to a kennel called Iron Hill Kennels ( http://www.ironhillkennels.itgo.com/ ). Look at a male
alot of those dogs erily resemble Dogue De bordeuxs. and they certainly arent "pit bulls"

Luigi
11-07-2005, 05:20 PM
I checked out that ironhillkennels link. Those dogs are definately not related to Marty's dog, lol.

Gamebred dogs historically resemble dogs like Marty's, Trubsdiary, and many, many others on this forum. All you need to do is check out people's avatars to see what a true pitbull should look like, (oh---except mine). :)

That is not to say that these other dogs aren't "pitbulls" as they have evolved, (sadly, in my opinion)---but as in the ironhillkennels dogs, somewhere along the line, at some point, something was mixed in to give those dogs that bulky, large headed appearance. It's not that they aren't "pitbulls" per se, and it's not that they aren't tenacious in whatever they do---they simply don't fit the historical standard of a gamebred pitbull.

Check out the avatars . . .

miakoda
11-07-2005, 06:05 PM
Why, why, why, why, why? Why do you & those kennels feel the need to change the breed standard? So they can be used as catch dogs? So they can be shown? When being shown, only dogs fitting the breed standard should be allowed to & those dogs are waaay outside of the set breed standard. As for being bred big to catch hogs, well, that whole excuse is utter bullshit. The bigger the dog, the bigger chance of serious injury. I would NEVER hunt with a dog over 60lbs. That's right. Most of my catch dogs are in the 40lb to low 50lb range & I would have it no other way. You (using this term in general) breed oversize muscle bound dogs. You really think they have the agility needed to out maneuver a 80lb javolina? Or a 500lb boar? They do not! I have seen these dogs seriously injured (many times fatally) b/c they just can't move. I'm tired of patching up oversized mutts who have no business being thrust into a position that they can't handle.

Overall, there is NO need to change the breed standard. This breed can do anything & everything while still maintaining it's true form. People make their excuses, but at the end of the day all it boils down to is that these people want bigger "pits" because it makes them feel "big" & "cool" & they think it will boost their ego to be seen walking around with a big "pit" with massive head, massive chest (leaves waaay to much open), & so muscle bound that it couldn't get out of the way of a 1,000lb tortoise "speeding" down the road.

You cannot make excuses to change this breed. You want bigger dogs, then give them a new name. (But I bet 99.9% fo the people wouldn't go for that because then they wouldn't be able to say "I got a pit"). Go ruin a different breed & leave this one the way it is.

Btw, I looked at some of those pics & I have 1 thing to say:
1. we own O.E.B.s & if they were a differnt color then they too could pass as "pits" in those kennels

Luigi
11-07-2005, 06:13 PM
Why, why, why, why, why? Why do you & those kennels feel the need to change the breed standard? So they can be used as catch dogs? So they can be shown? When being shown, only dogs fitting the breed standard should be allowed to & those dogs are waaay outside of the set breed standard. As for being bred big to catch hogs, well, that whole excuse is utter bullshit. The bigger the dog, the bigger chance of serious injury. I would NEVER hunt with a dog over 60lbs. That's right. Most of my catch dogs are in the 40lb to low 50lb range & I would have it no other way. You (using this term in general) breed oversize muscle bound dogs. You really think they have the agility needed to out maneuver a 80lb javolina? Or a 500lb boar? They do not! I have seen these dogs seriously injured (many times fatally) b/c they just can't move. I'm tired of patching up oversized mutts who have no business being thrust into a position that they can't handle.

Overall, there is NO need to change the breed standard. This breed can do anything & everything while still maintaining it's true form. People make their excuses, but at the end of the day all it boils down to is that these people want bigger "pits" because it makes them feel "big" & "cool" & they think it will boost their ego to be seen walking around with a big "pit" with massive head, massive chest (leaves waaay to much open), & so muscle bound that it couldn't get out of the way of a 1,000lb tortoise "speeding" down the road.

You cannot make excuses to change this breed. You want bigger dogs, then give them a new name. (But I bet 99.9% fo the people wouldn't go for that because then they wouldn't be able to say "I got a pit"). Go ruin a different breed & leave this one the way it is.

Btw, I looked at some of those pics & I have 2 things to say:
1. a close friend owns an Am.Staff./Bourdeaux mix & Clifford loos EXACTLY like those "pits"
2. we own O.E.B.s & if they were a differnt color then they too could pass as "pits" in those kennels
Honestly, I guess I have to agree with this. I truly love all dogs, (almost) :) but I do feel messing around with the mix is what is causing all these unstable dogs that are attacking people. They're being called pitbulls, and they are screwing things up for the actual historical Pitbull breed dog and their owners.

This is not to say that all these pseudo pitbull variations are unstable, but all the bsl and pitbull problems have cropped up with the invention of these new age "pitbulls." : (

Luigi
11-07-2005, 06:45 PM
Mia, I thought some of them looked like they had Catahoula Bulldog in them, (the black & white female, etc.), or maybe even some Presa . . . who knows . . .

BaldHeadTough
11-07-2005, 09:18 PM
XQZZZZZZZZZZZ Me!!!
Hold on one second!!! You people are way out of line.
First off, if you go back to the original thread. You had people talking about the "Dangerzone" line, that didn't know the first thing about it. So I replied back to inform you Ignorant People about the line!!!!! Everthing that someone/whoever said was totally wrong.
So every one of you, that Jumped on Me, are Way Out of Context Here!!!!!!!!!!

Luv_a_bull_girl, I'm glad you made a reference to the Bully Breed Book/Magazine... I thought that I did, but I must have removed it. The Chocolate Red Nose dog Hooked up to the sled w/the green collar; is "Reno" from Iron Hill Kennels. They have three dog's, in there, 5 different times. I thought that I put it in my reply from before, but must have deleted it out of there. I know of the stats you read as I have read the book front to back several times!!!

TommyT, if you knew how to read, and didn't misunderstand or misinterpret what I was saying you would know everything I stated was directed towards my line. For your information, I have "Sorrells" in my Pedigree, which all derived from Spain!!!! Have you done your home work? Can you tell me where "Sorrell's" came from and who was the breeder? Run Quick...! Go Look up the website so you don't look stupid!!!! Give me the name of the foundation dog that "Sorrells" came from, and what was the name of that Kennel?
You talk about BSL. Do you even know what it stands for? Just as people have stereotyped our breed, you stereotyped the bigger A.P.B.T as having bowed legs. Man, Go Learn Something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All my dogs have almost perfect conformation. I have dogs of the A.D.B.A standards, and UKC standards. I'm assuming your know there is a difference!

B, The only thing I don't know about the game bred lines is how to match them or any of the rules. Well, I know a little bit about the rules, but only from what I've been told. I know about most of the lines and where they came from. I have "Sorrell's", "Hemphills-Wilders", "Wood's", "Wilder's" in my 5th-6th-7th generation of my pedigree. I've only seen to the 7th generations, so there has to be more!!! Not to mention, I bet NONE of your dog's have contributed to any of the "Sorrell's" ROM titles. (Register of Merit) I never said that pibulls are "Only Used" of catch work or weight pulling. I stated what my line was mainly used for.
If you are going to Quote me, Quote me Verbatim!!!!!!!!!

Hey Lugi..... Were's Mario....? Don't you guys have to go find "Bowser"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You all need to learn how to read.
I NEVER STATED THAT "IRON HILL KENNELS" DOGS LOOKED LIKE GAME BRED DOGS, OR MARTY'S DOGS!!!!!!!
Where did you get that?
Oehler's "Dangerzone" derived from and Amber-Lite (which is the bitch I posted earlier) 'PR' Scates' "Amber-lite Star" (which derived from "Castillo's", "Wood's", "Wilder's" and I think some "TNT") bred to some "Corvino"!

Miakoda, another person that doesn't know how to read. :confused: Jumped all over me, b/c you misread, or misinterpreted what I said. "As for being bred big to catch hogs, well, that whole excuse is utter bullshit. " How is that an excuse. You all started a thread about the "Dangerzone" line, with out a hint of knowledge. Not one thing that someone said about the line was true. So, I chimed in to inform people about it, then EVERYONE JUMPED ON ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What is that about?
NOT ONE OF YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE "DANGERZONE" LINE, SO WHY ARE YOU TALKING???????
SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!!!!!!! ;)

Just b/c there are bigger doesn't mean they are mixed with anything, as I have provided more than enough proff. If you want more info, let me know. I can also steer you in the direction of some of the other bigger lines that are mixed, Which I Choose to Stay Far Away From....! Trust me, I'm on the same page with most of you all..... I feel strongly against mixing other breeds into my line, on any line to produce size.... It's Total BullSh*t... I'm not for it, and don't like it!!!!

fyremyst
11-07-2005, 09:48 PM
BEEEP BEEEP BEEEEEP Please dont adjust your screen this has been a test simply a test to see if your eyes can bug out of your heads while spinning on your shoulders from the steam rolling out of your ears.. please do not attempt to adjust your screen.. we now return you to our regularly scheduled program rantings & ravings of the wound too tightly BEEEEP BEEEP BEEEEP

miakoda
11-07-2005, 09:50 PM
LOL. I know how to read & I even wrote that the term "you" was being used as "you" in general. It was not directed to you, baldie, but maybe if YOU knew how to read, you would've figured that one out.

You can defend 100lb "pit bulls" all you want, but we're talking about American Pit Bull Terriers, not general "pit bulls".

Quit yelling or we'll shut YOU up.

BaldHeadTough
11-07-2005, 10:34 PM
It's All Good in The Hood.....! :cool: I'm not mad at anybody...! ;) Just do me one Favor! Look at the Name of the Thread we are posting on. It is and was about "Dangerzone" Dog's. Some how the topic is being forgotten...

14rock
11-07-2005, 10:40 PM
It's All Good in The Hood.....! :cool: I'm not mad at anybody...! ;) Just do me one Favor! Look at the Name of the Thread we are posting on. It is and was about "Dangerzone" Dog's. Some how the topic is being forgotten...
Just remember this was an OLD thread, and the question was asked over a year ago I believe.

BaldHeadTough
11-07-2005, 10:50 PM
This to I know...

BaldHeadTough
11-07-2005, 11:02 PM
never mind picture is to big to upload

Marty
11-07-2005, 11:08 PM
never mind picture is to big to uploadHere I'll hepp ya out... http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1348

luv_a_bull_girl
11-07-2005, 11:27 PM
XQZZZZZZZZZZZ Me!!!
Hold on one second!!! You people are way out of line.
First off, if you go back to the original thread. You had people talking about the "Dangerzone" line, that didn't know the first thing about it. So I replied back to inform you Ignorant People about the line!!!!! Everthing that someone/whoever said was totally wrong.
So every one of you, that Jumped on Me, are Way Out of Context Here!!!!!!!!!!

Luv_a_bull_girl, I'm glad you made a reference to the Bully Breed Book/Magazine... I thought that I did, but I must have removed it. The Chocolate Red Nose dog Hooked up to the sled w/the green collar; is "Reno" from Iron Hill Kennels. They have three dog's, in there, 5 different times. I thought that I put it in my reply from before, but must have deleted it out of there. I know of the stats you read as I have read the book front to back several times!!!

TommyT, if you knew how to read, and didn't misunderstand or misinterpret what I was saying you would know everything I stated was directed towards my line. For your information, I have "Sorrells" in my Pedigree, which all derived from Spain!!!! Have you done your home work? Can you tell me where "Sorrell's" came from and who was the breeder? Run Quick...! Go Look up the website so you don't look stupid!!!! Give me the name of the foundation dog that "Sorrells" came from, and what was the name of that Kennel?
You talk about BSL. Do you even know what it stands for? Just as people have stereotyped our breed, you stereotyped the bigger A.P.B.T as having bowed legs. Man, Go Learn Something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All my dogs have almost perfect conformation. I have dogs of the A.D.B.A standards, and UKC standards. I'm assuming your know there is a difference!

B, The only thing I don't know about the game bred lines is how to match them or any of the rules. Well, I know a little bit about the rules, but only from what I've been told. I know about most of the lines and where they came from. I have "Sorrell's", "Hemphills-Wilders", "Wood's", "Wilder's" in my 5th-6th-7th generation of my pedigree. I've only seen to the 7th generations, so there has to be more!!! Not to mention, I bet NONE of your dog's have contributed to any of the "Sorrell's" ROM titles. (Register of Merit) I never said that pibulls are "Only Used" of catch work or weight pulling. I stated what my line was mainly used for.
If you are going to Quote me, Quote me Verbatim!!!!!!!!!

Hey Lugi..... Were's Mario....? Don't you guys have to go find "Bowser"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You all need to learn how to read.
I NEVER STATED THAT "IRON HILL KENNELS" DOGS LOOKED LIKE GAME BRED DOGS, OR MARTY'S DOGS!!!!!!!
Where did you get that?
Oehler's "Dangerzone" derived from and Amber-Lite (which is the bitch I posted earlier) 'PR' Scates' "Amber-lite Star" (which derived from "Castillo's", "Wood's", "Wilder's" and I think some "TNT") bred to some "Corvino"!

Miakoda, another person that doesn't know how to read. :confused: Jumped all over me, b/c you misread, or misinterpreted what I said. "As for being bred big to catch hogs, well, that whole excuse is utter bullshit. " How is that an excuse. You all started a thread about the "Dangerzone" line, with out a hint of knowledge. Not one thing that someone said about the line was true. So, I chimed in to inform people about it, then EVERYONE JUMPED ON ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What is that about?
NOT ONE OF YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE "DANGERZONE" LINE, SO WHY ARE YOU TALKING???????
SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!!!!!!! ;)

Just b/c there are bigger doesn't mean they are mixed with anything, as I have provided more than enough proff. If you want more info, let me know. I can also steer you in the direction of some of the other bigger lines that are mixed, Which I Choose to Stay Far Away From....! Trust me, I'm on the same page with most of you all..... I feel strongly against mixing other breeds into my line, on any line to produce size.... It's Total BullSh*t... I'm not for it, and don't like it!!!!
lol no problem... :: reads signature:: and has someone been watchin star wars

RollinRuger
11-07-2005, 11:44 PM
Why, why, why, why, why? Why do you & those kennels feel the need to change the breed standard? So they can be used as catch dogs? So they can be shown? When being shown, only dogs fitting the breed standard should be allowed to & those dogs are waaay outside of the set breed standard. As for being bred big to catch hogs, well, that whole excuse is utter bullshit. The bigger the dog, the bigger chance of serious injury. I would NEVER hunt with a dog over 60lbs. That's right. Most of my catch dogs are in the 40lb to low 50lb range & I would have it no other way. You (using this term in general) breed oversize muscle bound dogs. You really think they have the agility needed to out maneuver a 80lb javolina? Or a 500lb boar? They do not! I have seen these dogs seriously injured (many times fatally) b/c they just can't move. I'm tired of patching up oversized mutts who have no business being thrust into a position that they can't handle.

Overall, there is NO need to change the breed standard. This breed can do anything & everything while still maintaining it's true form. People make their excuses, but at the end of the day all it boils down to is that these people want bigger "pits" because it makes them feel "big" & "cool" & they think it will boost their ego to be seen walking around with a big "pit" with massive head, massive chest (leaves waaay to much open), & so muscle bound that it couldn't get out of the way of a 1,000lb tortoise "speeding" down the road.

You cannot make excuses to change this breed. You want bigger dogs, then give them a new name. (But I bet 99.9% fo the people wouldn't go for that because then they wouldn't be able to say "I got a pit"). Go ruin a different breed & leave this one the way it is.

Btw, I looked at some of those pics & I have 1 thing to say:
1. we own O.E.B.s & if they were a differnt color then they too could pass as "pits" in those kennelsRight on point...as usual. great honest and truthful post.:) and isn't tudor's goldie one of the sorrells foundation dogs?

B
11-08-2005, 01:29 AM
B, The only thing I don't know about the game bred lines is how to match them or any of the rules. Well, I know a little bit about the rules, but only from what I've been told. I know about most of the lines and where they came from. I have "Sorrell's", "Hemphills-Wilders", "Wood's", "Wilder's" in my 5th-6th-7th generation of my pedigree. I've only seen to the 7th generations, so there has to be more!!! Not to mention, I bet NONE of your dog's have contributed to any of the "Sorrell's" ROM titles. (Register of Merit) I never said that pibulls are "Only Used" of catch work or weight pulling. I stated what my line was mainly used for.
If you are going to Quote me, Quote me Verbatim!!!!!!!!!

You don't need to be telling us we're ignorant on our own forum. Please keep your petty insults to yourself. There is no saying how your dogs are bred but they aren't anything what a GAME-DOG owner wants in a dog. Its pretty damn easy to stick any papers on any dog and its obvious with the registeries putting papers on 100lb odd colored mutts. There are very few people with integrity left in this dog game and those people aren't running 60+lb mutts claiming them to be purebred. I don't run Sorrels dogs so I don't know what you are talking about in that sentance. I don't run whatever sounds nice or looks pretty. I run what works best. The keyword in that last sentance is works. I don't even register my dogs but I know how each and every single one is bred. My friends might get a dog or two from me here to see how my yard is progressing but I also don't sell dogs. People out there churning out pups to any Tom, Dick, or Sally with money in there face are peddling bastards that don't deserve to be owing dogs. Those people are dog users and abusers and they use color, size, and "claims" to sell there dogs. My dogs earn a spot on my yard through hard work and my dogs keep my name and reputation intact. Trust me, my 25-50lb dogs can do a HELLUVA lot more then your overgrown bandogs. Once again you need to realize you're in GAME-DOG.COM trying to tell us how we do things. If we were on some massive funny colored dog site you very well might be the expert in that situation. On here, you need to give respect before anyone is going to give you some. Listen to what myself and the rest of these people are saying or leave the thread alone and get back to learning some more. Just like all the other "big" dog backers that come and go on this board, you either stick around and learn or move on just like the fad dogs most of those people breed. Looks, size, and color aren't any way to breed pitbulls. Just so you know, most of the people replying to you on this thread have ridiculous amounts of years experience with this breed and their knowledge surpasses many "experts". You're coming across very closed minded and you might want to listen to what some of these people are trying to tell you. Lastly, there is no such thing as "ROM" anymore because fighting dogs is illegal and no one here breaks the Animal Welfare Act of 1976.

Regards,

B

J Henry
11-08-2005, 02:21 AM
First off, the Sorrell's line did not come form Spain. They came down form the Corvino line in turn was some of the old stuff brought to this country from the England and Ireland. The Hemphill, Wilder stuff is from OFRN stock, also from Ireland. How did you come up with Spain?? Just asking. As for the comment made about the way my dog looks LOL!! I don't have a picture of my dogs on this board. The dog in my avatar is Bullyson. Ever heard of him?? As for the DangerZone dogs I have no idea what they are all about. I don't realy care. I know I have no use for a dog that big and would not feed one.

tommy3
11-08-2005, 05:37 AM
TommyT, if you knew how to read, and didn't misunderstand or misinterpret what I was saying you would know everything I stated was directed towards my line. For your information, I have "Sorrells" in my Pedigree, which all derived from Spain!!!! Have you done your home work? Can you tell me where "Sorrell's" came from and who was the breeder? Run Quick...! Go Look up the website so you don't look stupid!!!! Give me the name of the foundation dog that "Sorrells" came from, and what was the name of that Kennel?
You talk about BSL. Do you even know what it stands for? Just as people have stereotyped our breed, you stereotyped the bigger A.P.B.T as having bowed legs. Man, Go Learn Something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All my dogs have almost perfect conformation. I have dogs of the A.D.B.A standards, and UKC standards. I'm assuming your know there is a difference!


I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off. Spain? Are you serious? Wow, you really should stop making posts like this. Give you the name of the foundation dog? There is no single foundation dog. I know Sorrells dogs buddy. BSL? there is no need to be a smartass. As for the bowlegged comment, I was referring to dogs I saw on the websites you posted. Not, big dogs in general. If you want to learn something, you should read about these dogs before posting. Everyone here wants to help you learn, but as long as you make unknowldedgable comments and try to tell us that we are wrong when we keep the dogs as they are supposed to be, you will not learn anything. As B said, many of the people you are talking down on have been dealing with these dogs in their true and original form for many years and we know what we are talking about. We couldn't care less about looks. It is about how the dog performs. Please, sit back and learn.

Luigi
11-08-2005, 06:42 AM
na, na, na, na, na . . . lol . . . ;)

My point was/still is, neither of the two types of "pitbulls" mentioned in this link thus far are the historical standard for an American Pitbull Terrier/gamebred pitbull.

Call them pitbulls if you'd like~type large~type bold . . . :)

The ones in the links are mixes. They may be considered "pitbulls" now, but at SOME point in their breeding they were mixed with something more bulky and large headed in order to get that appearance. It's just nothing to get hysterical about~it's all good. ;)

jbh38
11-08-2005, 07:01 AM
Okay, I haven't read everything on here, but I have read enough to know that this has gotten way out of hand. First, we are Iron Hill Kennels, our dogs are NOT mixed with anything, matter of fact they are DNA profiled back at least 3 generations that we have bred here. I didn't start this and what was posted about Dangerzone in the very beginning of this thread was true. When we were in Florida, they were used for catch dogs, and they were some of the best around. When we moved to Delaware, well, no hogs to catch. We met people that introduced us first to UKC confirmation, and yes, Reno usually won at least Best Male when he showed, we didn't show that long, it wasn't really what Jimmy wanted to do. Reno is 19 1/2 inches, at the last weightpull 2 weeks ago he was 74 lbs, his sister, Kitty, is 18 inches, 66 lbs, not huge monsters, their mother is solid black and weighs 55 lbs. One of Miss Kitty's daughter's, Ruby, was at the UKC Premier this year and took Best of Winners on Saturday, then qualified in weightpull, she was the ONLY APBT to get the total dog award at the Premier. So we are not breeding crap. We do know what we are doing. (and no, Ruby is not the only one to win conformation out of Reno's offsprings or hold weightpull titles, so it isn't just one good dog we produced, but we are very proud of her)
We were introduced to weightpull, the first time they pulled was at an ADBA show in NJ. They are very loyal, hard working dogs. And you are wrong, not every dog can pull weight, they have to have the drive and desire to do it, we have had some that won't, they have been spayed/neutered and placed in pet homes. Yes, these dogs will run bigger than a game bred dog, but I don't appreciate somebody saying ours our mixed, they are not. They are correct, not bowlegged, easty-westy, none of that, our dogs work, if they don't, they don't stay here and if they aren't correct, they can't work.
Yes, Reno, Ninja, Kitty, several of Reno's children have been or are in the Bully Breed magazine, Training Secrets for the Bully Breed, Dog World, there was an article done on Jimmy and Reno in Dog Fancy a couple of years ago, they are in calendars, whatever, all this because we met a photographer that works for Dog Fancy and she fell in love with Reno, so she has photographed the dogs, that doesn't mean anything other than she took nice enough pictures to go in these places.
I have and can trace their pedigrees back to the 1800's, I have no idea what country the dogs came from.
All I know is that these dogs are standard, UKC standard, not ADBA, and we never claimed them to be. I know the difference in dogs, on our yard we have a wide variety, the website hasn't been updated in quite a while, I have a jeep/nigerino female, we also have 2 from the Scotlin line, we have our Dangerzone, we have Camelot/Dagger and we have pure Dagger. I don't come on here and say anything about anyone's dogs, maybe make a comment on weightpulling or something, but I come here to read and learn, so don't put my dogs down from something someone else is saying and unless you have seen them in person, you don't really know what we have and unless you know us personnally, you don't need to make comments about our character. Like I said, ours are working dogs, and yes, we have all sizes for different weight classes and also because we love pit bulls, regardless of size or color, it's the dog that matters to us.
We do know what we are doing, so please, if you have comments to make, keep us out of it.

miakoda
11-08-2005, 11:43 AM
matter of fact they are DNA profiled
DNA profiling doesn't tell you what you're dog is, it only serves as a basis for breeding so one can say that they're 100% positive that the sos & so puppies are truly from so & so and so & so.

Science has yet to be able to tell boxer DNA from Cairn Terrier DNA from Great Dane DNA. Much less "pit bull" DNA to differentiate betweent he "pit bull" breeds & definitely trying to figure out bloodlines is just a plain joke that only back yard breeders suggest to people to have done in order to clear the dogs out so they can get on with selling the next litter.

There is NO blood test that can prove canine lineage. Sorry.

jbh38
11-08-2005, 12:20 PM
definitely trying to figure out bloodlines is just a plain joke that only back yard breeders suggest to people to have done in order to clear the dogs out so they can get on with selling the next litter.
I don't think that was called for, as I said, unless you know us, you can't judge our character or our breeding practices, just because we health test and DNA profile that means we are trying our best to be sure we put out quality dogs without defects and yes, prove that the parents are who we say they are. We are far from a backyard breeder. Also most of our adult dogs have their CGC (Canine Good Citizen), so I guess in your eyes that is useless too? I guess only having maybe, if that 1 litter a year, and placing most of them in working/show homes, or pet homes with a spay/neuter contract constitutes a backyard breeder now? We went to shows/weightpulls from March until just last weekend in Hickory, NC, at least one a month, sometimes more, now, we are taking a break for the winter, but it all starts back up again in February. We work hard with our dogs and we are very proud of them. If they aren't your style, that's fine, but like I said, I didn't bring my dogs into this thread, I just came on here to set the record straight and yes, defend what I love.

miakoda
11-08-2005, 12:25 PM
I was not saying you are a back yard breeder. You say that you DNA test to prove that puppies parents are who you say. That's great. I appaud that. I have some DNA verified pups myslef.

But what I AM saying is that you can start with a bandogge, get it's DNA on file, breed it to a DNA profiled pit bull bitch, have those pups DNA's & so one & so forth. But just because they're DNA profiles doesn't prove that those pups are "pure bred" pit bulls. ALL it does is say that the parents of a litter are truly the parents of the litter.

As for the CGC dogs, I have some that have achieved their CGC title as well. I just haven't ever done it with the others.

jbh38
11-08-2005, 12:43 PM
Sorry, there was so much said earlier on this post, I guess I am just being defensive :)

RollinRuger
11-08-2005, 12:45 PM
come on man who are you trying to kid? I just looked at your site your dog hammer weighing 102 lbs. at 13mos. you can't seriously believe that bandogge is a pitbull.lol
are you woried about puppy sales being hurt is that why you had to "clear" things up? If thats the case im sure it won't hurt, your on the bandwagon selling the hottest craze: short, wide, big head, bowed legs (optional), cgc , 100+ lbs. @ 1 yr., come on do us all a favor take a shotgun out and do your yard some justice, and start over from scratch with some real bulldogs. LMAO!!!

Shon
11-08-2005, 01:11 PM
come on do us all a favor take a shotgun out and do your yard some justice, and start over from scratch with some real bulldogs. LMAO!!!I do not believe any comments like that will do anything other than hurt exactly what you think you are either protecting, defending, or helping. So I would suggest you doing us a favor and keeping such things to your self if you must fathom them.

Some parts of that post I agree with, in general, but, in fact, all of those dogs are "pit bulls," including "game-bred dogs," simply because "modern society" believes them to be. A "pit bull" isn't a breed of dog, it is a term given to distinguish a large group of similar looking, and similar originally bred dogs. Registries do not understand that, neither does much of anyone else. If someone says it's a "pit bull," they immediately associate that with an American Pit Bull Terrier. Registries are also a business, relying on money to continue operating and to act as a means of a living for many different individuals, so for the most part they are only concerned with revenue and profits. If they were to do exactly what they should do and label breeds of dogs properly, they would loose a lot of money, so really why should they do anything like that? The registries play a big part in most of the ignorance of "modern society." Tell me truthfully, why would different registries have totally different breed standards for the same breed of dog? I'm not sure anyone can honestly answer that question, but the most obvious answer is money, no better than the people who do peddle "pit bulls," hang pedigrees on them, and breed them for qualities that they can sell.

DEADGAME14
11-08-2005, 01:21 PM
good post Shon and im glad to see you still come around once and awhile.

DEADGAME14
11-08-2005, 01:23 PM
come on man who are you trying to kid? I just looked at your site your dog hammer weighing 102 lbs. at 13mos. you can't seriously believe that bandogge is a pitbull.lol
are you woried about puppy sales being hurt is that why you had to "clear" things up? If thats the case im sure it won't hurt, your on the bandwagon selling the hottest craze: short, wide, big head, bowed legs (optional), cgc , 100+ lbs. @ 1 yr., come on do us all a favor take a shotgun out and do your yard some justice, and start over from scratch with some real bulldogs. LMAO!!!that sure would be a big nast mess to clean up!

jbh38
11-08-2005, 01:25 PM
are you woried about puppy sales being hurt is that why you had to "clear" things up? If thats the case im sure it won't hurt, your on the bandwagon selling the hottest craze: short, wide, big head, bowed legs (optional), cgc , 100+ lbs. @ 1 yr., come on do us all a favor take a shotgun out and do your yard some justice, and start over from scratch with some real bulldogs. LMAO!!!<!-- / message -->
didn't you read what I said, we DON'T produce those type of dogs, our dogs have to work, they can't work if they can't walk. The shortest dog we have is 17 inches and she is a jeep/nigerino! And yes, Hammer is around 100, Hammer is also part Dagger, not all Dangerzone, and Hammer is about 22 inches tall, so not a fat bowlegged dog. And like I said, we aren't in the business of selling puppies, if we do a breeding it is to create something that we want, not to make money, I already said most of them are placed in show/working homes, or a pet home on a spay/neuter contract. Everyone in their right mind knows you can't make money selling puppies, and with the idiots getting a hold of pit bulls today, nobody that I don't personally know or have a reference on gets one of our dogs.

SEAL
11-08-2005, 01:27 PM
id have to agree ive got some big muts but the only one that fits standard is the lil female at 40lbs (fat) she's a true pit the big male 86lbs and my pup that will probly hit 60+ is not by standard a true pit and i dont doubt they have got some cross in them somewhere along the line. many people have bred the pit up in size due to popularity of larger dogs and certain colors and they call them pit bulls but the true APBT came from a terrier i believe somewhere down the line thus the size. Cane corso or presas came from spain much larger dogs. correct me if im wrong

Shon
11-08-2005, 01:40 PM
Most "terriers" are very hyper and extremely smart, to say the least. And most modern-day "pit bulls" do not even come close to meeting that "stereotype." Lol

Luigi
11-08-2005, 02:20 PM
DNA profiling doesn't tell you what you're dog is, it only serves as a basis for breeding so one can say that they're 100% positive that the sos & so puppies are truly from so & so and so & so.

Science has yet to be able to tell boxer DNA from Cairn Terrier DNA from Great Dane DNA. Much less "pit bull" DNA to differentiate betweent he "pit bull" breeds & definitely trying to figure out bloodlines is just a plain joke that only back yard breeders suggest to people to have done in order to clear the dogs out so they can get on with selling the next litter.

There is NO blood test that can prove canine lineage. Sorry.
omg, thank you for this . . . I had to re-read that twice because I couldn't believe that was said . . .

If DNA testing could prove dog breed, bsl would be implemented everywhere.

Luigi
11-08-2005, 02:24 PM
I do not believe any comments like that will do anything other than hurt exactly what you think you are either protecting, defending, or helping. So I would suggest you doing us a favor and keeping such things to your self if you must fathom them.

Some parts of that post I agree with, in general, but, in fact, all of those dogs are "pit bulls," including "game-bred dogs," simply because "modern society" believes them to be. A "pit bull" isn't a breed of dog, it is a term given to distinguish a large group of similar looking, and similar originally bred dogs. Registries do not understand that, neither does much of anyone else. If someone says it's a "pit bull," they immediately associate that with an American Pit Bull Terrier. Registries are also a business, relying on money to continue operating and to act as a means of a living for many different individuals, so for the most part they are only concerned with revenue and profits. If they were to do exactly what they should do and label breeds of dogs properly, they would loose a lot of money, so really why should they do anything like that? The registries play a big part in most of the ignorance of "modern society." Tell me truthfully, why would different registries have totally different breed standards for the same breed of dog? I'm not sure anyone can honestly answer that question, but the most obvious answer is money, no better than the people who do peddle "pit bulls," hang pedigrees on them, and breed them for qualities that they can sell.
Excellent post.

That's the point exactly~yes, they are in a general sense, in this day & age, considered "pitbulls," but . . . you explain the rest very well. :)

Luigi
11-08-2005, 02:26 PM
id have to agree ive got some big muts but the only one that fits standard is the lil female at 40lbs (fat) she's a true pit the big male 86lbs and my pup that will probly hit 60+ is not by standard a true pit and i dont doubt they have got some cross in them somewhere along the line. many people have bred the pit up in size due to popularity of larger dogs and certain colors and they call them pit bulls but the true APBT came from a terrier i believe somewhere down the line thus the size. Cane corso or presas came from spain much larger dogs. correct me if im wrong
One of mine is 65 lbs., and is obviously a mix . . . it's all good . . .as long as you're happy with what you have--- again, why does this matter, I wonder . . .

DEADGAME14
11-08-2005, 02:29 PM
ooooooooooooo Dangerzone!!! Gotta have one! This thread blows, let it RIP!

Luigi
11-08-2005, 02:31 PM
ooooooooooooo Dangerzone!!! Gotta have one! This thread blows, let it RIP!
lol . . . agreed . . . another smashing spoons against your face debate---pointless . . . :)

RollinRuger
11-08-2005, 02:37 PM
if we do a breeding it is to create something that we want,


first off i did get a bit carried away.
second, creating something you want and calling it a pitbull is exactly what everybody else is doing. right? I believe if you breed you better be recreating or improving on that breed of dog. I don't think creating 100 lb. dogs is improving anything as stated before by miakoda she is stitching up those bandogges all the time.why? because they have been ruined by "breeders" creating what they want. If those dogs were truly out-performing the originals than hey you improved that breed right? But wrong. because none of them have, will, or are capable of. Theres nothing wrong in keeping and breeding your dogs that you love and work with, but i think you need to be honest with your dogs/self/public that those aint american pit bull terriers. Just call em bandoggs or make up your own name it doesn't matter to me.

BaldHeadTough
11-08-2005, 04:03 PM
Sorry "Iron Hill Kennels" if I disrespected you, or offended you!!!!! :o

First off, I always type in bold text...!
My signature came from a newspaper heading, didn't know it came from Star Wars...! :rolleyes:
You People are Still Confused....! :confused:
THE TOPIC of this THREAD is about "DANGERZONE PITBULLS"!!!!
IS IT NOT....? :confused:
As You All Have Stated, "YOU NO NOTHING ABOUT THIS LINE", so why are you on here talking or replying?
How am I trying to tell you about you dog's?
You all are trying to tell me something about a line that your don't breed and no nothing about.
The original thread topic is about "Dangerzone Pitbulls"!!!
The information is/was all wrong, so I tried to inform people about a line of dogs they no nothing about, but were asking about!!!
Then you all took it out of context and starting ripping me up and insulting a Kennel that you all no nothing about!!!
I was never trying to press my line of dogs on anyone, or trying to tell anyone what is and is not a pitbull.
I was speaking about one subject and on subject only.
The "Dangerzone" blood line.... Where all this other stuff and comments came from is beyond me!!!
So you need to give respect, sit back and listen about a line you all no nothing about!!!

Would you buy a Car with out a Title. Nope!!!
The same goes with dogs. That was the stupidest comment I have ever heard!!!
Papers say alot, especially coming from reputable Kennels.
None of my dogs are from a back yard breeder.
I have friends that "say" they breed "Jeep", "Eli", "Bullyson", "Bolio", but how do I know? "Say" is the Key Word There....!
Yeah, your dogs full of piss and vineager, but that don't mean anything!
You could tell me your dog is a 100% of a specific blood line, but show me proof... Papers say alot, in my opinion!!!!!
I don't have papers on my dogs he says...
THEN WHO'S THE ONE WITH THE MUTTS.....! ;) LoL
I totaly agree with the comment about hanging paper and peddling puppies, as that is a Major Pet Peeve of mine!!! I can't stand dishonest people, nor people that buy a dog and think it's time to be a breeder....!

Then someone on here, "Finally" said something intelligent...!
It showed me that someone does know something.
It was the comment about "Sorrells" coming from "Corvino"...
Then I went on to read just how much you don't know and how much I do.....!

The "Colby" line came from Ireland!!!
The "OFRN" came from England!!!
You say where did I come up with Spain? Read on...!
I see you haven't done a much home work as I have done.
I've been into A.P.B.T's for 6-7 years, not really that long of a time, but I have learned a whole lot...
I've never matched a dog and don't really care to.
That doesn't excite me as much as it might you.
I get more enjoyment out of something that's productive!!! ;)
I joined this board to try and learn something that I didn't already know. But I can see that won't happen as you all know the same or less than I do!!!
If you don't know what dog's came from Spain, then you really shouldn't be on this board either...!
Oehler's "Dangerzone" came from a "Corvino" dog bred to an "Amber-Lite" dog, to produce Camarano's "Buster Jo".
Camarano's "Buster Jo" was bred to Camarano's "Doger" out comes Oehler's "Dangerzone".
Some one stated "Tudor" dogs are in the "Sorrell's" line. Yep!!! Where did "Tudor's" dog's come from? Spain!!!!!
Are You Ready For me To DROP the BOMB!!!!
Here's a link for YOU ALL to check out....
Have a Seat, and Stay there a WHILE.... Learn Something!!!!!!
http://www. (http://www)
That were the "Tudor" line comes from.

Here's the Pedigree to Tudor's "Goldie"
http://www. (http://www)

I have more information that I'll share if you Like!!!!!!
I guarantee I SPEND WAY MORE TIME GOING THROUGH PEDIGREE'S LEARNING ABOUT THE HISTORY and ANCESTOS, than everyone on here put together!!!!!
I'm not some Joe Shmoe....
I know enough and I know I was only trying to inlighten you about the "Dangerzone" line....
We you all jumped on me I have no Idea.......?

never mind on the links....
Do you own Homework!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

B
11-08-2005, 04:21 PM
You place far too much importance on papers. Every one of my foundation dogs has papers on it and I can provide the papers for anyone that wishes to register their dogs. It just so happens that we don't place importance on papers and they are generally just used against you in the court of law. My dogs are bred from working stock so I don't need to go around flaunting their ancestors for some claim to fame. Anyone can stick any dog into any pedigree and get it registered. They just need papers for the dogs they want to claim they bred. It isn't hard to toss a different pup into a litter bred one way or register 13 mutts instead of the 9 your bitch actually had so that you have extra papers to stick on something. I don't sell dogs so it really doesn't matter how my dogs are bred although I hold it in high importance so that I might produce better dogs in the long run. My own breedings are not registered because in this time and age there is no need for my business to be spread to some registry that papers 100lb mutts. I assure you I know how everydog on my yard is bred and all my friends know I have enough integrity to give them a dog that is bred the way I say it. If they insist on having papers all it takes is my signature and they can single register one of my mutts. That really doesn't change the fact the dog is either good or bad. That just gives people that care about that shit the piece of mind that their dog is "purebred" or their dogs puppies are worth more because it has papers. Sorry, but that isn't what this is about....

B

The Watcher
11-08-2005, 04:25 PM
I had a DangerZone ishbull. He didnt make the cut and he dont live here no mo! ;)
and jus think, I gave up a Dual Reg. ADBA/UKC Ch. Bred show dog for a Non Reg. Game Dog!!!!!!!!

B
11-08-2005, 04:27 PM
You place far too much importance on papers. Every one of my foundation dogs has papers on it and I can provide the papers for anyone that wishes to register their dogs. It just so happens that we don't place importance on papers and they are generally just used against you in the court of law. My dogs are bred from working stock so I don't need to go around flaunting their ancestors for some claim to fame. Anyone can stick any dog into any pedigree and get it registered. They just need papers for the dogs they want to claim they bred. It isn't hard to toss a different pup into a litter bred one way or register 13 mutts instead of the 9 your bitch actually had so that you have extra papers to stick on something. I don't sell dogs so it really doesn't matter how my dogs are bred although I hold it in high importance so that I might produce better dogs in the long run. My own breedings are not registered because in this time and age there is no need for my business to be spread to some registry that papers 100lb mutts. I assure you I know how everydog on my yard is bred and all my friends know I have enough integrity to give them a dog that is bred the way I say it. If they insist on having papers all it takes is my signature and they can single register one of my mutts. That really doesn't change the fact the dog is either good or bad. That just gives people that care about that shit the piece of mind that their dog is "purebred" or their dogs puppies are worth more because it has papers. Sorry, but that isn't what this is about....

B
I'll leave the thread alone from here so feel free to PM me if you want to continue the discussion with this "ignorant" guy with his "mutts". We can keep this private if you really would like to continue so just shoot me a PM.

Regards,

B

The Watcher
11-08-2005, 04:31 PM
very professional B......... ;)
I'll leave the thread alone from here so feel free to PM me if you want to continue the discussion with this "ignorant" guy with his "mutts". We can keep this private if you really would like to continue so just shoot me a PM.

Regards,

B

runt
11-08-2005, 04:34 PM
correct me if I'm wrong but was centipede 54lbs. conditioned and around 65lbs. on the chain;and plumber's ch Alligator was matched at 57lb. condition weight,so not all big pits have to be mixed, some lines just run big

Luigi
11-08-2005, 04:38 PM
very professional B......... ;)
agreed . . .

The Watcher
11-08-2005, 04:45 PM
yes ur correct but Dangerzone dogs hardly compare. (speaking from exp.)

correct me if I'm wrong but was centipede 54lbs. conditioned and around 65lbs. on the chain;and plumber's ch Alligator was matched at 57lb. condition weight,so not all big pits have to be mixed, some lines just run big

tommy3
11-08-2005, 04:48 PM
correct me if I'm wrong but was centipede 54lbs. conditioned and around 65lbs. on the chain;and plumber's ch Alligator was matched at 57lb. condition weight,so not all big pits have to be mixed, some lines just run big

Nobody said anything about a 65 lb dog. That is within standard. On the other hand, this guy and the dangerzone kennels have dogs that are not within the standard. That is all that matters.

tommy3
11-08-2005, 05:00 PM
But I can see that won't happen as you all know the same or less than I do!!!

That sums up all of his posts. Misinformed and hard headed.
:rolleyes:

Marty
11-08-2005, 05:02 PM
That sums up all of his posts. Misinformed and hard headed.
:rolleyes:And only 6 / 7 yrs exp to boot :confused:

luv_a_bull_girl
11-08-2005, 06:30 PM
id have to agree ive got some big muts but the only one that fits standard is the lil female at 40lbs (fat) she's a true pit the big male 86lbs and my pup that will probly hit 60+ is not by standard a true pit and i dont doubt they have got some cross in them somewhere along the line. many people have bred the pit up in size due to popularity of larger dogs and certain colors and they call them pit bulls but the true APBT came from a terrier i believe somewhere down the line thus the size. Cane corso or presas came from spain much larger dogs. correct me if im wrong
i have an 80lb male whos half machine gun kelley and gator/boudreaux on the other half side... his sire is 65lb and his dam is 62lb... the sire's dam was 60lb and his sire was 65lb... the dam's sire was 67lb and her dam was 57lb... so go figure on genetics, but my dogs sure as hell ain't mixed

luv_a_bull_girl
11-08-2005, 06:35 PM
I had a DangerZone ishbull. He didnt make the cut and he dont live here no mo! ;)
and jus think, I gave up a Dual Reg. ADBA/UKC Ch. Bred show dog for a Non Reg. Game Dog!!!!!!!!
:: gasp in shock :: omg, how could u ever do such a thing.... LOL

DEADGAME14
11-08-2005, 06:41 PM
one time i had a pit bull that was 250 pounds, only it wasnt really a pitbull it was a horse that resembled a apbt, so we just called it a pit bull.
Yeah all the kids would come over and ride it and we would all laugh at all the idiots that really thought it was a pit bull.

RollinRuger
11-08-2005, 06:44 PM
one time i had a pit bull that was 250 pounds, only it wasnt really a pitbull it was a horse that resembled a apbt, so we just called it a pit bull.
Yeah all the kids would come over and ride it and we would all laugh at all the idiots that really thought it was a pit bull.You should have registered and shown it.lmao:D

luv_a_bull_girl
11-08-2005, 06:49 PM
one time i had a pit bull that was 250 pounds, only it wasnt really a pitbull it was a horse that resembled a apbt, so we just called it a pit bull.
Yeah all the kids would come over and ride it and we would all laugh at all the idiots that really thought it was a pit bull.
lol well atleast u didnt call them pigs...

BaldHeadTough
11-08-2005, 07:08 PM
You All Should Pratice What You Preach....! ;)
You all are being very Closed Minded....
Say and Think what you want, b/c it doesn't hurt my feeling one bit.
Not ONE....! :cool:
You all are still the ones talking out your ass about a line you know nothing about, on a Thread that is titled "Dangerzone Pitbulls"....
So Who's the A**?
I never claimed that my dog's were 100 lbs. Not ONCE...!
"Dangerzone" males average between 70-100 lbs. The females average between 50-80 lbs.

The Watcher
11-08-2005, 07:14 PM
You all are still the ones talking out your ass about a line you know nothing about, who u talkin to?

rocksteady
11-08-2005, 07:16 PM
You All Should Pratice What You Preach....! ;)
You all are being very Closed Minded....
Say and Think what you want, b/c it doesn't hurt my feeling one bit.
Not ONE....! :cool:
.
I dunno..sounds to me like U are a bit upset... PRACTICE WHAT U PREACH

DEADGAME14
11-08-2005, 07:18 PM
Dangerzone!ooooooooooooo There Just So Dangerouse.

Marty
11-08-2005, 07:18 PM
I never claimed that my dog's were 100 lbs. Not ONCE...!"Dangerzone" males average between 70-100 lbs. The females average between 50-80 lbs. Never mind!!! Slaps self up side the head :(

The Watcher
11-08-2005, 07:20 PM
lmao, dangerous 80#ppl bitin' curs

Dangerzone!ooooooooooooo There Just So Dangerouse.

DEADGAME14
11-08-2005, 07:20 PM
Never mind!!! Slaps self up side the head :( Im begging you to shut this thread down!! pwwweeeaaaassseeee!!!!

Marty
11-08-2005, 07:26 PM
Im begging you to shut this thread down!! pwwweeeaaaassseeee!!!!Lmao how can anyone learn by shutting it down, I will give anyone a chance to learn, but it can only go so far :p :cool:

tommy3
11-08-2005, 07:42 PM
You All Should Pratice What You Preach....! ;)
Where does this comment come from? What has been preached?
You all are being very Closed Minded....
We are closed minded? The fact is, American Pit Bull Terriers never get 80-100 lbs. Thats right, it is a fact. You are the close minded one because you refuse to accept that fact.
Say and Think what you want, b/c it doesn't hurt my feeling one bit.
Not ONE....! :cool:
No one is trying to hurt your feelings. We are trying to educate you on what makes a true APBT.
You all are still the ones talking out your ass about a line you know nothing about, on a Thread that is titled "Dangerzone Pitbulls"....
So Who's the A**?
Most here have never seen one of a dangerzone dog in person. That is true. But, it doesn't matter because these dogs can not get that big without being crossed. That is all the knowledge we need of the line.
I never claimed that my dog's were 100 lbs. Not ONCE...!
"Dangerzone" males average between 70-100 lbs. The females average between 50-80 lbs. What is so hard to understand?

RollinRuger
11-08-2005, 07:44 PM
Isn't there an old rock song called dangerzone

luv_a_bull_girl
11-08-2005, 07:53 PM
Isn't there an old rock song called dangerzone
highway to tha dangerzone... gonna take u right into the dangerzone...
u mean that song?

RollinRuger
11-08-2005, 07:56 PM
lol yeah. Hey marty is there anyway you could hook that song up on this thread so if you have your speakers on it plays? Thats what we need...

14rock
11-08-2005, 09:02 PM
Respect fellas. Nobody will learn a damn thing if you simply call them an idiot and give up on them ;)

Marty
11-08-2005, 09:23 PM
Respect fellas. Nobody will learn a damn thing if you simply call them an idiot and give up on them ;)Thats true 14rock you have to try and give people a chance, I'm not saying were perfect, but no one is perfect but one ;)

rocksteady
11-08-2005, 09:35 PM
What is so hard to understand?

that game bred dogs rule and fat curs drool....

TERRIBLE TEXAS
11-08-2005, 09:35 PM
lmao :)






Isn't there an old rock song called dangerzone

jbh38
11-09-2005, 12:25 AM
You know what, I'm done, talk about the dogs all you want, they aren't your style, that's fine. And I don't guess anyone was paying attention, Reno - 74 lbs, Miss Kitty - 66 lbs, those are the only 2 mainly dangerzone on our yard, not 100 lb monsters, the others have Dagger in them (don't even go there)
Whatever you want to think, we get our dogs out, the adults have their CGC, they are healthy, they have their weightpull titles, they are loyal, and we love them, they do everything that is asked of them and more, and that is all I can ask for of any dog, and that is all that matters, how we feel about them.
We are invited to different events in the community to help people see what a pit bull is really like, not what they think. And whether you like it or not, the public sees my dogs as pit bulls too, size, shape, color, doesn't matter to them, all they see is a "bad dog", I would like to see that change. No wonder BSL is winning, we can't stop infighting long enough to fight with the people that matter.
You should really take a chance on getting to know someone before slamming them, you might actually find out that they are good people, you don't have to agree on style of dogs, we have alot of friends that don't care for our big dogs, but that doesn't mean we don't respect them or they don't respect us.
I'm done, I'll let it die, no more posts for me, tired of beating my head against a brick wall.

BaldHeadTough
11-09-2005, 12:27 AM
Listen...!
I still don't see why you all are ragging on me!!!!
I did not come on here trying to tell you what is and is not a Pitbull.
I came on here to tell you what the "Dangerzone" blood line is.
I'm not trying to change anyones opinion/views about our breed, nor impose my views.
I was simply enlighting you all about the Topic at hand.
"Dangerzone Pitbulls".

Please go back to the very begining of this thread and reread reply numbers (1-23). Please!!!!!
Pay Close Attention to #17.... He's got it the closest yet....!
STAY FAR AWAY FROM #8.... That is Linda Peterson's Kennel. I Dislike Linda Peterson with a Passion. She'll breed anything and everything into her line to produce size!!!!! The Link in #8 is the worst example of a Pitbull, and I would not call any of her dog's Pitbulls. They are Easty-Westy, Loose Gowls and look all around distorted!!!!
Nothing on her yard is in correlation with me, or the "Dangerzone" line reguardless of what is said on her web site!!!!

Here is a link to my dogs...
I like to refer to my dog's as "American Pitbull Terriers".
Check it Out Please....!

http://groups.msn.com/TheDangerzone/briansdogs.msnw?albumlist=2

Big Game
11-09-2005, 07:25 AM
all of this fighting is total B.S. More than one post on this thread [from both sides of the argument] were hateful and beyond distasteful. Yes, this is a gamedog site and in my opinion the best on the net. So it should not surprise all the gamedog fanciers here that people with "larger breed pitbulls" "AM STAFF's" "bully" "low and wide" and dare I even say it the dreaded BLUE pit bulls would come to this site to learn more about the breed. I know the breed standard and I agree no dog larger than 60 pounds is of sound comfrimation. But I don't believe all dogs over 60 pounds are mixed or mutts. A great majority of them are probably curs but not mutts.That said, I don't care how selective the line breeding was pit bulls do not reach 100 pounds unless they are mixed or are in fact a 75 pound pitbull grossly overfed to make them a unhealthy 100lbs.

The Watcher
11-09-2005, 07:50 AM
Here is a link to my dogs...
Check it Out Please....!

http://groups.msn.com/TheDangerzone/briansdogs.msnw?albumlist=2I checked it out, Im not impressed. All those dogs are huge, and most even look crossed. I cant find one that seems to be in ideal shape???????
JFO-


I like to refer to my dog's as "American Pitbull Terriers".

Yea, but doesnt mean that they are. You cannot label any 'ol dog with a big head a APBT because you "like" to... ;) , what have ur dogs done to prove themselves worthy?

tommy3
11-09-2005, 09:15 AM
You know what, I'm done, talk about the dogs all you want, they aren't your style, that's fine. And I don't guess anyone was paying attention, Reno - 74 lbs, Miss Kitty - 66 lbs, those are the only 2 mainly dangerzone on our yard, not 100 lb monsters, the others have Dagger in them (don't even go there)
Whatever you want to think, we get our dogs out, the adults have their CGC, they are healthy, they have their weightpull titles, they are loyal, and we love them, they do everything that is asked of them and more, and that is all I can ask for of any dog, and that is all that matters, how we feel about them.
We are invited to different events in the community to help people see what a pit bull is really like, not what they think. And whether you like it or not, the public sees my dogs as pit bulls too, size, shape, color, doesn't matter to them, all they see is a "bad dog", I would like to see that change. No wonder BSL is winning, we can't stop infighting long enough to fight with the people that matter.
You should really take a chance on getting to know someone before slamming them, you might actually find out that they are good people, you don't have to agree on style of dogs, we have alot of friends that don't care for our big dogs, but that doesn't mean we don't respect them or they don't respect us.
I'm done, I'll let it die, no more posts for me, tired of beating my head against a brick wall.If it is true that your dogs are not 100 lb monsters, that is great. However, your buddy is the only one posting pictures of your dogs and he continues to claim that your dogs average between 80-100 lbs for the males. Yet, even if they are consistently around 74 lbs, they are still too big for them not to be crossed. The pictures posted on the site that ballhead posted shows a few dogs that share traits to that of a mastiff. It is great that you do have certifications and such, it impresses some people, especially things such as CGC. However, the fact that these dogs seem to be crossed, regardless of how much you defend that they are not, will not hold up well within a game-dog community. The members here are quite sick of people crossing other breeds for size and color and then calling them pit bulls. It is sickening. It is great that you love your dogs, and if you do love them and want to defend your reputation, you may want to keep a few litters instead of selling them and cull out the unusually large ones. It is obvious that your line has a reputation of producing 80-100 lb dogs. If you don't like it, do something about it.


****EDITED****

At the time of this post I thought that you said that you were dangerzone kennels. I just looked over the thread and see that you are actually Iron Hill kennels. Even then, Dagger dogs are huge, crossed out mixes So, why are you defending dangerzone when you breed crossed out dogs anyways? Dangerzone has a reputation of putting out huge dogs that are crossed, regardless if your dogs don't seem that way to you. Your dog is huge by the way. 74 lbs is HUGE.

ScrappyDoo
11-09-2005, 09:38 AM
our male, Scooby, (see gallery for pics) was about 85 lbs, He was pure but he was bigger than all of his litter mates and bigger than both of his parents. His mom weighed about 50 lbs and his dad about 60. But as for this thread, can't we all just get along? :)

jbh38
11-09-2005, 09:47 AM
Never said I didn't like big dogs, we do, hell, like I said, we also have Dagger (okay, again, don't go there). We also have small game dogs, we have all sizes. I didn't put my name (or kennel) into this discussion, I just was tired of seeing my dogs slammed. I know this is a game dog forum, like I said, I have been coming here for a long time, but just recently joined. I never posted my dogs here before, I knew they weren't the style for this board, I'm not stupid, however, someone else did, and when I see them slammed I will defend them. Call them what you want, if you think they are mixed, fine but just let this post stop. I haven't been disrespectful to anyone, and if someone was talking crap about your dogs like they are mine, you would say something too.
As far as proving themselves, they prove themselves every day, they are more than I could ask for in a dog, and they also prove themselves on the track, this is what mine do to prove themselves
This is Reno, he pulled over 6000 lbs that day.

http://www.ironhillkennels.itgo.com/renopull3.jpg

This is Ninja, Reno's mother, she weighs 55 lbs, mainly Dangerzone also

http://www.ironhillkennels.itgo.com/ninja1.jpg



I never claimed they weren't large dogs, I never claimed anything, I didn't even start this post about my dogs! I would just like people to stop attacking me personnally, we try hard with our dogs, alot of time and money going to shows and working them, so please, you don't have to like my dogs, as I said before they are UKC standard, not ADBA, but have a little respect for what we do. We always treat people with respect, even if we don't agree, I guess I just expect the same in return. I'm not saying everyone here was disrespectful, but some of the comments were just rude, like go shoot them all and start over?
Okay, this time I am really done, talk about me all you want now. I won't respond to anything else.

tommy3
11-09-2005, 09:48 AM
our male, Scooby, (see gallery for pics) was about 85 lbs, He was pure but he was bigger than all of his litter mates and bigger than both of his parents. His mom weighed about 50 lbs and his dad about 60. But as for this thread, can't we all just get along? :)A freak happens. Even some game lines will at times put out freaks. But, that is why they are considered freaks. It is very rare. This is because freaks were almost always culled. On the other hand, these kennels put out monsters at every litter. See the difference? One is a flaw that occured through some rare occurence (mutated genes, throwback blood from hundreds of years ago, etc) and the others are bred and crossed for the huge size so that their entire yard will be full of giants.

ScrappyDoo
11-09-2005, 10:10 AM
Yes I see the difference. Thank you for clarifying that for me.

leo8978
11-09-2005, 10:21 AM
What is wrong with you people? This is supposed to be a place for people to come and learn and share information. All I have seen so far is a whole lot of bashing. This post was originally started by nc pitbulls. BALDHEADTOUGH came on here to share information on the bloodline, and everyone jumped down his throat. What's up with that? Why didn't anyone bash nc pitbulls when he started the thred? Just cause you don't like these dogs or bloodline, doesn't give you the right to bash it.

rocksteady
11-09-2005, 10:32 AM
just because people think they are true APBTs doesnt give them the right to claim they are ..
and if you re read the FIRST post, they asked everyone's opinions of the line..
and thats what they got... there was even someone who spoke from experience..and I trust their opinion anyday of the week..

what, you think we should all sugar coat everything and say how great and wonderful it is? Point blank the dogs are not game type dogs.. they may be great "pets" but I can get a great pet for $70 at a rescue...

leo8978
11-09-2005, 10:40 AM
just because people think they are true APBTs doesnt give them the right to claim they are ..
and if you re read the FIRST post, they asked everyone's opinions of the line..
and thats what they got... there was even someone who spoke from experience..and I trust their opinion anyday of the week..

what, you think we should all sugar coat everything and say how great and wonderful it is? Point blank the dogs are not game type dogs.. they may be great "pets" but I can get a great pet for $70 at a rescue...
Just so you know, It is possible to give an opinion without bashing.

rocksteady
11-09-2005, 10:57 AM
lol really? so then is it possible for so many "kennels" to stop putting out oversize mutts labeled as APBTs????

Luigi
11-09-2005, 11:57 AM
one time i had a pit bull that was 250 pounds, only it wasnt really a pitbull it was a horse that resembled a apbt, so we just called it a pit bull.
Yeah all the kids would come over and ride it and we would all laugh at all the idiots that really thought it was a pit bull.
lol . . . could be true---you never know, lol. :)

Luigi
11-09-2005, 12:07 PM
Here's the deal: When you come to this forum and you make statements which other members view as wrong, they correct you---not always in the nicest manner, lol, but that's just the way it is. Alot of what then happens from there depends on the original posters attitude. That's just the way it seems to be. I sort of viewed it as a hazing, lol. :)

Heck, I own a mixed, rare and dreaded blue . . . and I'm still here. If I survived, anyone can . . . ;)

Shon
11-09-2005, 12:18 PM
It's not that anyone is bashing, or hazing as you say, anyone. It's the fact that the one person is pushing a specific bloodline off as a "pit bull" and then going on to emphasize and claim them to be "American Pit Bull Terriers." Although they probably don't have anything at all to do with it, that is the reason breed specific legislation affects so many, because everyone but no one knows what a "pit bull" is.

Luigi
11-09-2005, 12:21 PM
It's not that anyone is bashing, or hazing as you say, anyone. It's the fact that the one person is pushing a specific bloodline off as a "pit bull" and then going on to emphasize and claim them to be "American Pit Bull Terriers." Although they probably don't have anything at all to do with it, that is the reason breed specific legislation affects so many, because everyone but no one knows what a "pit bull" is.
Agreed, agreed. If you read one of my previous posts, I stated that many of these mixes are the dogs responsible for the negavtive images/headlines, etc., etc.

I didn't literally mean hazing . . . I was joking . . . my point is that the poster has some responsibility in not allowing things to escalate, also. :)

SEAL
11-09-2005, 12:29 PM
look cute and cuddly this crowd is not. ive seen the color of the carpet around here and its brutal red. many people on here get offended real easily and so many come in here with a closed mind and blam i know it so it must be true attitude appears. The crossing of these dogs with larger bull breeds some of which are used as gaurd dogs ie people aggressive causes problems for those who own APTB which would be dog agressive. mix those two traits and you can see how you have just made a really big pissy dog. the breed is at its all time high in popularity with both average joes and thugzgalore. the blood line questions was being responded too until everyone started slamming who did what and where it came from etc etc. the question should have stated what they wanted the dogs for it would have helped but there are some arrogant shits on here that need to take a deep breath before they start typing. this place is really helpful if people can chew back their stress and agression and remeber there are people who are dumber than you lol and they will talk no matter how hard you slappem around. CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG and make our threads more specific.

Luigi
11-09-2005, 12:31 PM
look cute and cuddly this crowd is not. ive seen the color of the carpet around here and its brutal red. many people on here get offended real easily and so many come in here with a closed mind and blam i know it so it must be true attitude appears. The crossing of these dogs with larger bull breeds some of which are used as gaurd dogs ie people aggressive causes problems for those who own APTB which would be dog agressive. mix those two traits and you can see how you have just made a really big pissy dog. the breed is at its all time high in popularity with both average joes and thugzgalore. the blood line questions was being responded too until everyone started slamming who did what and where it came from etc etc. the question should have stated what they wanted the dogs for it would have helped but there are some arrogant shits on here that need to take a deep breath before they start typing. this place is really helpful if people can chew back their stress and agression and remeber there are people who are dumber than you lol and they will talk no matter how hard you slappem around. CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG and make our threads more specific.
I find myself agreeing with your posts alot.

Does that make me a bad person, lol . . . ;)

Shon
11-09-2005, 12:32 PM
Agreed, agreed. If you read one of my previous posts, I stated that many of these mixes are the dogs responsible for the negavtive images/headlines, etc., etc.

I didn't literally mean hazing . . . I was joking . . . my point is that the poster has some responsibility in not allowing things to escalate, also. images/smilies/smile.gifI wasn't really replying to you specifically, moreso going along with a lot that you've said, and it really doesn't matter if you was joking or not... in some ways, it can be viewed as "hazing" or "bashing" or anything else relating to those. Many people do not know how to keep their personal feelings out of their replies and simply reply back to everyone with the same attitude in hopes add to, question, or debunk certain statements or beliefs. Although allowing emotion to show through in posts is sometimes sucessful, most people will see it as disrespect. How would anyone expect someone to take them seriously and actually read their post(s) for what they are if they are being disrepected?

SEAL
11-09-2005, 12:33 PM
depends on who you ask lol i was just thinking does she just wait for my name to come up and then post lol.

BAN THE CAPS LOCK AND BOLD TEXT FOR WHOLE RESPONSES IT MAKES PEOPLE THINK YOUR BEING ASSGRESSIVE AND YELLING. we can read small print just fine. well cept myb marty hes kinda up there in years but he can adjust his resolution.

Luigi
11-09-2005, 12:35 PM
depends on who you ask lol i was just thinking does she just wait for my name to come up and then post lol.

BAN THE CAPS LOCK AND BOLD TEXT FOR WHOLE RESPONSES IT MAKES PEOPLE THINK YOUR BEING ASSGRESSIVE AND YELLING. we can read small print just fine. well cept myb marty hes kinda up there in years but he can adjust his resolution.
wise-guy . . . I'm never agreeing with you again. :)

DEADGAME14
11-09-2005, 12:36 PM
luigi you look like you could use a good Glazing, oops i ment hazing ;)

Luigi
11-09-2005, 12:36 PM
luigi you look like you could use a good Glazing, oops i ment hazing ;)
making me feel like a ham . . .

Yard Boy
10-24-2008, 12:55 PM
Pedigree for: <a href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=299389">TGH-N-TNDR KNNLS CRUNCH AND MUNCH</a>
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i112/kennelboss/Krunchy57lbs10-24-08.jpg

Yard Boy
10-24-2008, 12:57 PM
Pedigree for: <a href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=249198">TGH-N-TNDR KNNLS ON THE EVE OF DANGER</a>
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i112/kennelboss/Eve55lbs10-24-08.jpg

jr102770
10-24-2008, 11:05 PM
nice dogs ya got there yardboy

Mr.lee
10-25-2008, 02:37 AM
this one was funny

Nikita
10-25-2008, 03:52 AM
good looking dog i like the scale

Aaron

Yard Boy
10-31-2008, 11:37 PM
this one was funny

What's funny?

calikeith
06-24-2009, 08:31 PM
My danger zone boy,5 times dangerzone,2 times irish warrior,2 jr ditto and kemo blue mist all on top at 5 months,not claiming he's anything but a high drive animal with loads of heart,actualy he's quite annoying little dog,probably top out at 60 pounds.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/calikeith/042.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/calikeith/058.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/calikeith/061.jpg