UKC dog show

[BoiBoi]

Did anyone see the UKC dog show that was on discovery and animal planet a few days ago? Man when they brought out the Amstaff, i thought they were joking, that damn dog was so overweight that there was no way u could judge if the dog was to standard without pulling back all the fat to feel the actual structure. Now why is it that the doberman and boxer can be nice and thin but the amstaff comes out looking like a barrel?

[FLpits]

u mean the AKC not the UKC

[bahamutt99]

After spending a week and a half at my mom's house over Thanksgiving, I got so sick of their damn theme song for the commercials advertising that show that I was ready to start firebombing the AKC (and Eukanuba for sponsoring). I dunno. I find those TV dog shows largely disappointing nowadays. The bull-breeds rarely get a 2nd look, and what's worse is that sometimes I can't blame the judge for feeling that way.

[MercedesMama]

Did anyone see the UKC dog show that was on discovery and animal planet a few days ago? Man when they brought out the Amstaff, i thought they were joking, that damn dog was so overweight that there was no way u could judge if the dog was to standard without pulling back all the fat to feel the actual structure. Now why is it that the doberman and boxer can be nice and thin but the amstaff comes out looking like a barrel?
I saw it. I was thinking the same thing. He waddled out and I was like damn look at that fat boy..LOL! Did you watch both days? My hubby was wondering if they had any Basset Hounds on. We saw all the terriers and herding dogs, that's all I watched. I loved the miniature bull terrier, so cute!

[BoiBoi]

I only watched parts of both days, i didn't catch the hound group. So this show made me think, is it possible that in a few years maybe even sooner that some gotti or RE dogs will be represented for that class, because that amstaff was as big as any of those gotti dogs and just as plump. The bull terrier's are always a good looker, but they also could lose some of that extra weight, i would love to get a bull terrier and condition the hell out of it to see what happens, i haven't seen one well conditioned bull terrier yet, but i bet they would look great with less fat and great muscle tone

[cheekymunkee]

I only watched the terrier group & when that damned AST waddled out I thought it was gonna fall over & not be able to get back up. What a whale!

[~apbtfriend~]

I only watched parts of both days, i didn't catch the hound group. So this show made me think, is it possible that in a few years maybe even sooner that some gotti or RE dogs will be represented for that class, because that amstaff was as big as any of those gotti dogs and just as plump. The bull terrier's are always a good looker, but they also could lose some of that extra weight, i would love to get a bull terrier and condition the hell out of it to see what happens, i haven't seen one well conditioned bull terrier yet, but i bet they would look great with less fat and great muscle tone

I highly doubt that if you think that dog look like a gotti dog or close too then you need to see amstaffs in real life...... then you need to go to a bully show and see those in real life .......... that dog was from mexico they probably like them heavy muscled and plumped. Gotti dogs and RE ( the big ones) will out weigh an amstaff by at least 40-50 pounds. so imagine that amstaffs height with 40-50 pounds added to him. That really is an insult to amstaffs and you based all of that on the one amstaff they showed on tv ........... ( which by the way I thought that dog shouldnt have even placed) Remember just because a dog wins doesnt mean its correct, it is just a judges decission of that day.

[BoiBoi]

I highly doubt that if you think that dog look like a gotti dog or close too then you need to see amstaffs in real life...... then you need to go to a bully show and see those in real life .......... that dog was from mexico they probably like them heavy muscled and plumped. Gotti dogs and RE ( the big ones) will out weigh an amstaff by at least 40-50 pounds. so imagine that amstaffs height with 40-50 pounds added to him. That really is an insult to amstaffs and you based all of that on the one amstaff they showed on tv ........... ( which by the way I thought that dog shouldnt have even placed) Remember just because a dog wins doesnt mean its correct, it is just a judges decission of that day.
Yea but because that dog was in the show everyone automatically assumes that its the best representative of its breed. Now i might have over exaggerated when i compared it to the gotti or RE dogs, but to me and a lot of other people that dog looked sloppy and as athletic as a 600lb human. Now i've seen plenty great representatives of great quality amstaff's and to me this was definately not one of them.

[~apbtfriend~]

Yea but because that dog was in the show everyone automatically assumes that its the best representative of its breed.

By the statements you type it seems like you believed all amstaffs look like that. and also by the statements you type anyone new to either breed could read what you said , basically you are just feeding into what is qouted above.


Now i might have over exaggerated when i compared it to the gotti or RE dogs, but to me and a lot of other people that dog looked sloppy and as athletic as a 600lb human. Now i've seen plenty great representatives of great quality amstaff's and to me this was definately not one of them.

I agree with you on that so I am still confused why you where comparing the two and basically calling all amstaffs fat slops ..................... I am not trying to start trouble but IMO you should have choosen better words in your first post.

[BoiBoi]

By the statements you type it seems like you believed all amstaffs look like that. and also by the statements you type anyone new to either breed could read what you said , basically you are just feeding into what is qouted above.



I agree with you on that so I am still confused why you where comparing the two and basically calling all amstaffs fat slops ..................... I am not trying to start trouble but IMO you should have choosen better words in your first post.
Well im curious since u seem to know a lot about amstaff's, why didn't the amstaff community complain about that particular amstaff being used as the best rep. for the breed. I know for a fact that not all amstaff's look like that one did, but other people might not know that and so their only source for ever seeing the breed is that IMO out of standard dog. Now if someone actually was interested in the breed they could do a little research on the net and find great rep. of the breed, so i don't think me typing those few words, which are my opinion, will have an impact on anyone's idea of what an amstaff is.

[~apbtfriend~]

Well im curious since u seem to know a lot about amstaff's, why didn't the amstaff community complain about that particular amstaff being used as the best rep. for the breed. I know for a fact that not all amstaff's look like that one did, but other people might not know that and so their only source for ever seeing the breed is that IMO out of standard dog. Now if someone actually was interested in the breed they could do a little research on the net and find great rep. of the breed, so i don't think me typing those few words, which are my opinion, will have an impact on anyone's idea of what an amstaff is.

First of all people usually dont whine over dogs they think are not to standard because its called good sportsmanship! Politics does also play part in it. The amstaff community cant tell a Judge who to pick........ It was the judges pick of that day!. He/she felt that was the best amstaff in the show. They cant really do anything about that. They can complain or question that judges judging skills if dogs are being put up that are way off standard. They would have to take it to the breed club. Its also hard to prove if politics are at play also. Its not like the community looked for what they thought should rep the breed on that show. 25 amstaffs where invited its a competion. Just by looking at the list of the top 25 dogs @ akc.org I can tell you there where probably more deseving dogs.

Hey you opinion is your opinion but you said it your self people will think thats what amstaffs look like. some one reading your post might think your opnion is right. Comparing the two was still way off IMO . I dont know just reread your first post and let me know does that sound like a person who knows what real amstaffs looks like ..............

[BoiBoi]

First of all people usually dont whine over dogs they think are not to standard because its called good sportsmanship! Politics does also play part in it. The amstaff community cant tell a Judge who to pick........ It was the judges pick of that day!. He/she felt that was the best amstaff in the show. They cant really do anything about that. They can complain or question that judges judging skills if dogs are being put up that are way off standard. They would have to take it to the breed club. Its also hard to prove if politics are at play also. Its not like the community looked for what they thought should rep the breed on that show. 25 amstaffs where invited its a competion. Just by looking at the list of the top 25 dogs @ akc.org I can tell you there where probably more deseving dogs.

Hey you opinion is your opinion but you said it your self people will think thats what amstaffs look like. some one reading your post might think your opnion is right. Comparing the two was still way off IMO . I dont know just reread your first post and let me know does that sound like a person who knows what real amstaffs looks like ..............
Are u serious, ok aside from the politics of the dog show, why are u still going back to what i said when i even said that i was over-exaggerating. Get off of that damn sentence already, i know that true amstaff's don't look anything like gotti or RE dogs, shoot i said it in basically every other post so why do u continue to say that i don't know what true amstaffs look like. Ur not the only one that has done ur research on the breed so don't come at me like i don't know sh*t about them, but one thing i do know is that particular dog that was shown is a bad representative of the breed, therefore i compared it to RE dogs because they are a bad rep to the apbt.

[~apbtfriend~]

Are u serious, ok aside from the politics of the dog show, why are u still going back to what i said when i even said that i was over-exaggerating. Get off of that damn sentence already, i know that true amstaff's don't look anything like gotti or RE dogs, shoot i said it in basically every other post so why do u continue to say that i don't know what true amstaffs look like. Ur not the only one that has done ur research on the breed so don't come at me like i don't know sh*t about them, but one thing i do know is that particular dog that was shown is a bad representative of the breed, therefore i compared it to RE dogs because they are a bad rep to the apbt.I only go back to it because just by u seeing that one bad rep of the breed u based the future of all amstaffs to gotti dogs....

you maybe know what a real one looks like I am not trying to come down on you but look what you typed........


If I where you this is what I would have posted. " did anyone see that amstaff on tv in the AKC show. that was a really overweight dog that shouldnt even have been picked. That dog could have been mistaken for an RE or Gotti dog"

I also know I am not the only one that has done my research thats a given. After rereading your last post it just seems you dont understand how dog shows work. I could be wrong correct me if so.

I am not trying to start anything. I love both breeds a lot and for someone to even make exaggerated comparison hits a nerve. I do the same thing when amstaff people say APBT are skinny .........

[BoiBoi]

I only go back to it because just by u seeing that one bad rep of the breed u based the future of all amstaffs to gotti dogs....

you maybe know what a real one looks like I am not trying to come down on you but look what you typed........


If I where you this is what I would have posted. " did anyone see that amstaff on tv in the AKC show. that was a really overweight dog that shouldnt even have been picked. That dog could have been mistaken for an RE or Gotti dog"

I also know I am not the only one that has done my research thats a given. After rereading your last post it just seems you dont understand how dog shows work. I could be wrong correct me if so.

I am not trying to start anything. I love both breeds a lot and for someone to even make exaggerated comparison hits a nerve. I do the same thing when amstaff people say APBT are skinny .........
Well i do know the jist of how dog show's work, or atleast how they're supposed to work, the judge should be well qualified to pick the best rep. from the particular breed by judging the overall structure, temperment, etc... blah blah blah. The thing is u even said that the dog shouldn't have been picked but it did, now maybe thats because of all the politics involved or maybe the judge was biased or who knows why that dog was picked, the only thing that matters is that it was picked to rep. the breed infront of the whole country. Now IMO i think that right there will have more impact on someone's view about the breed standard than a dopey little comment i made about the dog resembling a RE dog. That was my opinion and Joe Public doesn't know me from adam so i wouldn't expect them to take my words to the heart, but now u have a nationally televised show with a panel of "experts" judging the best of the best, that right there to me would be more of a concern to the general future of the breed than my comment ever will.

[~apbtfriend~]

Well i do know the jist of how dog show's work, or atleast how they're supposed to work, the judge should be well qualified to pick the best rep. from the particular breed by judging the overall structure, temperment, etc... blah blah blah. The thing is u even said that the dog shouldn't have been picked but it did, now maybe thats because of all the politics involved or maybe the judge was biased or who knows why that dog was picked, the only thing that matters is that it was picked to rep. the breed infront of the whole country. Now IMO i think that right there will have more impact on someone's view about the breed standard than a dopey little comment i made about the dog resembling a RE dog. That was my opinion and Joe Public doesn't know me from adam so i wouldn't expect them to take my words to the heart, but now u have a nationally televised show with a panel of "experts" judging the best of the best, that right there to me would be more of a concern to the general future of the breed than my comment ever will.

well thats the catch the judges are usually well qualified. The dog that wins really doesnt depected the future of the breed either. just look at it this way most breeders and dog show goers know when its politics are at play but like I said they cant prove it. just because that dog wins doesnt mean that every amstaff breeder will breed to that dog to get that look or every amstaff breeder will have dogs that will look like that. Out of maybe 1,000 of champions this dog could be the few that does not look standard. the amstaff community generally knows what the deal is. And for the viewers watching that dog when they do a research its not like that dog is going to pop up first. so IMO that dog has nothing to do what people will see when they go looking for an amstaff. Usually well here in los angeles anyway people rarely do reseach they would just get a dog from a petshop or BYB breeder.

Its almost like if they televised an ADBA show and a judge picked some bigger fat looking dog. The apbt commmunity knows this dogs shouldnt have won and if someone wanted a dog like that the chances of them getting one wouldnt be so easy because the majority of ADBA breed dogs to standard and for working ability.

hope that makes since .....

[BoiBoi]

Ok so i get what ur saying, it makes sense it just sux that compared to other breeds that were in that show, that amstaff stood no chance but hey i guess thats the way its gonna be, hey atleast that bull terrier won like 2 or 3 years in a row, there's a point for the bully breeds

[~apbtfriend~]

Ok so i get what ur saying, it makes sense it just sux that compared to other breeds that were in that show, that amstaff stood no chance but hey i guess thats the way its gonna be, hey atleast that bull terrier won like 2 or 3 years in a row, there's a point for the bully breeds

The bull terrier that did place was a good example but if you would go to see the bull terrier that actually won the whole show ( another TV event cant recall what year or what show) you should see how FAT and I mean FAt this colored BT was his chest had a fat roll that would sway back and forth as he troited. and the BT that place last weekend looks nothing like that dog. Dogs shows are just based on what the judge thinks is the best dog it may not be nessarly right.

I think to become a AKC judge you have to breed at least 4 litters of the breed of choice and then you go through training.

[BoiBoi]

The bull terrier that did place was a good example but if you would go to see the bull terrier that actually won the whole show ( another TV event cant recall what year or what show) you should see how FAT and I mean FAt this colored BT was his chest had a fat roll that would sway back and forth as he troited. and the BT that place last weekend looks nothing like that dog. Dogs shows are just based on what the judge thinks is the best dog it may not be nessarly right.

I think to become a AKC judge you have to breed at least 4 litters of the breed of choice and then you go through training.
LOL thats awesome, my girlfriends fat shit lab has that same roll but thats because he eats everything in sight. U know thats why someone should invent a machine to judge the dogs compared to the standard, that would make the contest more correct